You can’t blame Torres for his current form

20.10.2010


Fernando Torres Liverpool 2010/11 Birmingham City V Liverpool (0-0) 12/09/10 The Premier League Photo Robin Parker Fotosports International Photo via Newscom


There was an incident in the Merseyside derby this weekend that had many Liverpool supporters discussing post-match.

It occurred in the opening minutes when Jamie Carragher and Fernando Torres had an exchange following a Carra pass which the defender wasn’t happy the Spaniard hadn’t made the run down the channel to receive. Carra expressed his annoyance at Torres and he returned by putting his finger to his lips to signal for him to be quiet.

There’s several interpretations of this. The one that some have adopted is this seemingly common belief that Torres’ workrate is now poor and this is just another instance of such.

I take grievance with this belief for numerous reasons. Not least because Carra’s distribution from the back has never been the strongest part of his game so who could blame Torres for not expecting his pass to get where he wants it.

Joking aside, the criticism of Torres is very, very unfair.

The over-reliance on the Spaniard – again no backup was signed this summer despite every single one of us knowing that was required – is one of the major factors in this saga. We’re talking about a player who has struggled with injuries for the best part of the last two years but as soon as he’s fit again is thrown straight back in there, just as he was against Everton. Because we have nobody else.

Torres is rightly regarded as one of the best forwards in the world. He was persuaded to stay this summer, given more false promises from the club when a host of top clubs around Europe were sniffing around and offering Champions League football.

Now he finds himself playing under a manager who is no longer playing to his strengths, as Benitez did with Torres, but instead playing completely opposite. Under Rafa we pressed high up the pitch, played a high tempo game (where possible) and looked to regain possession further forward in order to release Torres early and give him one-on-one situations. Under Hodgson we sit a lot, lot deeper, preferring to defend and maintain shape than press the opposition. Subsequently our attacks are slow and easy to defend against. The opposition get numbers behind the ball and Torres’ strengths are isolated.

A Frustrated Fernando Torres Liverpool 2010/11 Everton V Liverpool (2-0) 17/10/10 The Premier League Photo Robin Parker Fotosports International Photo via Newscom

The lack of support for Torres is fatal to our whole team and it shows. Not just in terms of results but our performances and the number of chances he gets. Thesedays the best Torres can hope for is a half-chance, like the header in the first half. Nobody should be expecting him to put them away, rightly so. That’s the best he’s getting though, the odd half-chance per game. No forward can return on that. Christ, Andy Cole would score 1 every decade with that service.

Continuing to play Torres up front on his own but changing our style of play has led to him being completely isolated in attack, becoming frustrated and having to drop deeper or wider to get into the game. Therefore when he does get on the ball he’s easily marked, by more than one defender, and is forced into trying to create something himself. No wonder it doesn’t happen.

If Hodgson is going to persist with his 1980’s tactics he has to at least change the balance of the team by giving Torres more support. You cannot change the style but keep the same formation, it’s not working, clearly.

But that for me isn’t the answer. The answer is to play to the strengths of a player who, on his day, is the best forward in World football. That means the manager changing his ways (not likely) or the manager changing (here’s hoping).

Hodgson’s use of Torres has been disgraceful. As somebody on an LFC forum said this week, it’s like paying Gordon Ramsey 100k a week to be your personal chef when all you want to eat is beans on toast.

Torres is frustrated – just like the rest of us. Give him the support he needs.

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  1. Torres is being used as scapegoat for the teams poor performance. Yes he is low on confidence, but the only real chances against Everton came from him. Torres is consistently left alone upfront and there is no support for the striker. If you watched all the other sides in the league, there has to be support form the men upfront, however this is not the in Liverpool. The team is stuck in defence or in their own half and cannot seem to get out. Playing Maxi is a real mystery, the guy does nothing on the field, could not make the Atletico side and is now a permenant starter at Anfield ??? Roy is the manager, and i’m sorry but the buck stops here. Sure we don’t have players to win the league, but we do have the player not to be 2nd form bottom.

  2. get rid of hodgson he,s not good enough for our club bring in martin o,niel and THOMPSON as number two he will earn, and get respect from the players and for the club

  3. if the rumour that the scum want to sign torres is true, and god forbid he goes then the club should make the deal that a rooney swap is the only way, and so fergie wont get him.

    • Bring in Wayne Rooney. This is the best time to entice him with all that has been going on, we have the financial backing after all. Wouldn’t that be the coup of the season….. but will it solve our problems (support for the front men)

  4. I have been saying this all season after watching preseason and the first few games. Torress is NOT at fault at all and if he left because of the lack in style of play and because of false promises made to him then no one can blame him.

    I for one dread the day that Torres does leave and joins a rival team.

    We are currently lacking tactical vision and simple play to strengths. Instead Roy wants to the team to play to his own style which will only work well in a small team with a small and limited mentality to success.

    Roy’s vision is to hold teams and wear them down and nick a goal where you can. He never sets a team to go out and win from the get go. People continue to debate on the reasoning of LFC not scoring goals in the first half of most games this season and its a simple reason.. He sets the team out to TRY and hold their shape and wear down the opposition. This is frustrating and holding back the play for a top player as Torres who strives on the quick, creative minds and fast pace play.
    LFC dont move the ball any longer this season with any pace or sharpness. They are lacking the vision to see a quick pass to Torres and this is the reason for him being frustrated more often than none. The lack of service to him is getting to a boiling point now because the lack of insight from the manager is holding back the team and Torres.
    In the first few minutes of the game as in many others that LFC have played this season, the only possession that LFC had was moving the ball around the back line. The amount of times that LFC on the attack and then the ball gets played side ways and then back to the defence instead of first time quick passes within chanels to Torres is countless. This is where Soto and Skrtel are lacking heavily, as well as Carra. Hence the need for Agger to return to the center of defence urgently is of great importance. Agger has the mentality to move out of defence and carry the ball forward and see a pass to Gerrard and in turn it gets passed quicker to Torres.
    Roy needs to open his eyes more. I do know that he is old and you cant teach an old dog new tricks but he cant use the same tactics used in Fulham and other small and less ambitioius clubs, with Liverpool.
    I stress again and again that his substitions and sometimes lack of them are crucial and killing us at the moment.
    Bringing on Ngog to play upfront with Torres was once again a bad choice. I have nothing against Ngog but the team was clearly lacking width. He should have gone with taking a chance on Aurelio and Babel and bring Jova behind Torres. Torres was already starved of any service throughout the game. Bringing on Ngog just starved another player upfront making him also useless to the cause. Playing dead balls that were easily intercepted through the center for 90 mins showed Roys lack of vision for the team.
    We need to play and set out a team for Torres… You cant keep blaming him and expecting him to feed of half chances and scraps.
    Wake up and see the amount of clear cut chances he gets… few to none from a side that wants to play in the Champions League? Sorry… but with Roy we will be lucky to finish 7th or higher this season.
    YNWA

  5. I have been saying this all season after watching preseason and the first few games. Torress is NOT at fault at all and if he left because of the lack in style of play and because of false promises made to him then no one can blame him.

    I for one dread the day that Torres does leave and joins a rival team.

    We are currently lacking tactical vision and simple play to strengths. Instead Roy wants to the team to play to his own style which will only work well in a small team with a small and limited mentality to success.

    Roy’s vision is to hold teams and wear them down and nick a goal where you can. He never sets a team to go out and win from the get go. People continue to debate on the reasoning of LFC not scoring goals in the first half of most games this season and its a simple reason.. He sets the team out to TRY and hold their shape and wear down the opposition. This is frustrating and holding back the play for a top player as Torres who strives on the quick, creative minds and fast pace play.
    LFC dont move the ball any longer this season with any pace or sharpness. They are lacking the vision to see a quick pass to Torres and this is the reason for him being frustrated more often than none. The lack of service to him is getting to a boiling point now because the lack of insight from the manager is holding back the team and Torres.
    In the first few minutes of the game as in many others that LFC have played this season, the only possession that LFC had was moving the ball around the back line. The amount of times that LFC on the attack and then the ball gets played side ways and then back to the defence instead of first time quick passes within chanels to Torres is countless. This is where Soto and Skrtel are lacking heavily, as well as Carra. Hence the need for Agger to return to the center of defence urgently is of great importance. Agger has the mentality to move out of defence and carry the ball forward and see a pass to Gerrard and in turn it gets passed quicker to Torres.
    Roy needs to open his eyes more. I do know that he is old and you cant teach an old dog new tricks but he cant use the same tactics used in Fulham and other small and less ambitioius clubs, with Liverpool.
    I stress again and again that his substitions and sometimes lack of them are crucial and killing us at the moment.
    Bringing on Ngog to play upfront with Torres was once again a bad choice. I have nothing against Ngog but the team was clearly lacking width. He should have gone with taking a chance on Aurelio and Babel and bring Jova behind Torres. Torres was already starved of any service throughout the game. Bringing on Ngog just starved another player upfront making him also useless to the cause. Playing dead balls that were easily intercepted through the center for 90 mins showed Roys lack of vision for the team.
    We need to play and set out a team for Torres… You cant keep blaming him and expecting him to feed of half chances and scraps.
    Wake up and see the amount of clear cut chances he gets… few to none from a side that wants to play in the Champions League? Sorry… but with Roy we will be lucky to finish 7th or higher this season.
    YNWA

  6. Orca16 I read in the Telegraph that the Scum want Fernando, if this is allowed to happen there would be a riot, I agree may be a swap — in fact no I don’t want anybody from the scum, tell the drunken-one to F-off, I only hope that some of the fans talking to Henry let him know this should under no circumstances be allowed to happen and if Hodgson even thinks about this he needs taking out and his butt hole tickled with the rough end of a pineapple

  7. I so agree with everything you’re saying…what I don’t understand though, is why are the fans the only ones on the planet who seem to realize this??

  8. who here is blaming torres? i blame hodgson and he really needs to leave before it’s too late. his approach to the game is predictable and dull. having said that, bringing daglish wouldnt solve the problem. we need a current manager that is bigger than the club. someone that can get the tactics right. i dont want to see great players from other clubs turning into mediocre ones with lfc. we need to stop this decline. walk away hodgson. have some pride.

  9. You hit the nail on the head matt, and to add on if Roy doesnt change then theres no point in having him around coz surely what team are we ever going to beat in the EPL with this style of play? Its plainly not working.
    If goals are not coming in from torres who is going to score for us when stevie is deep down shouldering carra? I cant express how saddened i am by the fact that we are being made to play like this, as sad as it is for us watching, how are the players feeling knowing in every game that you are about to start absorbing pressure. Its very very frustrating. SOMEBODY HELP US PLEASE……..

  10. I don’t know why the link between Nando and Stevie has been killed, that combination has always been lethal, with Stevie playing just behind Torres. Now with the deeper role he play, he doesn’t get as many attacking chances as he normally did. Roy is the worst manager we’ve ever had, tactically useless and just looks dazed during games and when players see the manager is out of ideas. The only time I saw him more active on the touchline was on Sunday against Everton, because the new owners were there and he was trying to give them the impression that he is a serious manager.
    Another thing people try to avoid talking about is how Carra is no longer the player he used to be, strikers now easily bully him now, and he still gets a lot of gametime because of his status, we need to select players on merit, for instance, I don’t understand why we have to play him at wingback when we have youngsters like Martin Kelly who are naturals in the position, Carra is so slow and when he goes upfront, he can’t make it back in a counter. Frankly, I don’t get why we signed Konchesky, he is not a good player, just goes to show the ideas Roy has for our club, make us mediocre, please just leave. You said we should judge you after 10 games, guess what, we are 2 games away, and it’s not looking good, so come 10 games and there’s nothing positive, leave on your own b4 we push you out like we did the yanks.

    • spot on regarding Carra. I always liked Carra for his work rate and dedication towards club. however after noticing his recent performances I too of an opinion that he is past his best and should be used sporadically.
      I fail to understand what wrong has Agger done that he is not considered for CD role any more. For me Agger, Skrtel is the new CD pair for defence.

      • by the way its not just carra’s fault its also hodgson’s because he’s getting played out of position he can’t play on the left or the right look at the game where thierry henry ripped us apart because he was running at him and carra couldn’t keep up (arsenal beat us 3.1 that game) i know he’s not the quickest of players but when he’s got his confidence he can stop any player look at how he played against barcelona the other season :)

  11. Ancelotti was very clever in bringing up recently the issue of how he’s learned from Zidane the importance of playing, as a coach, to the strength of the team’s individual players if you want to be successful. I’m sure he’s been watching how other teams in EPL are doing; perhaps this was his way of sending a crucial message to Liverpool and mostly to Hodgson.

    • Uan, You may be right here, but the question is did Roy pay attention, or was the message so subtle as to be lost between RH’s ears.

  12. Ancelotti was very clever in bringing up recently the issue of how he’s learned from Zidane the importance of playing, as a coach, to the strength of the team’s individual players if you want to be successful. I’m sure he’s been watching how other teams in EPL are doing; perhaps this was his way of sending a crucial message to Liverpool and mostly to Hodgson.

  13. Thank you so much
    I support you 100%
    I am so sick of everyone complaining about Torres’ form, but the problem is with the players that continue to make stupid passes that don’t even get to him.

  14. everything went wrong for lvpool previously..
    at least recently,we had a new promising owner..so there some hope here…i think it is time to let go roy hodgson and bring in an attacking minded manager…i prefer frank rijkaard,but we need to wait till december to make it possible…so,our best option now is martin o neill…he is a good attacking manager..Though,there are some risk here…if we switch to more attacking style, the back four will no longer sit deep near the to defend the goal line…thus,player like carra will easily being outmuscle by the opponent..hwever,we can try to play skrtel and agger as centre back..please,no more krgiakos,he is not good enough…yet,we still need a quality striker to back torres up front…do something quick before torres loss hope in lvpool FC..PLEASE !!!

  15. This is spot on mate. I think it’s disgraceful of Roy to say Torres’s low on confidence, when it is clear as day that the problem is his tactics. Not protecting a player from another manager’s stupid remarks is one thing, but to hit out at one of your own player to divert attention from on your own failings is disgusting. Either that, or he’s delusional. None of the two reeks of a proper Liverpool manager. Enough said.

  16. This is spot on mate. I think it’s disgraceful of Roy to say Torres’s low on confidence, when it is clear as day that the problem is his tactics. Not protecting a player from another manager’s stupid remarks is one thing, but to hit out at one of your own player to divert attention from on your own failings is disgusting. Either that, or he’s delusional. None of the two reeks of a proper Liverpool manager. Enough said.

  17. Roy Hodgson should go go,,,,,,,,,,Liverpool Liverpool ,,,,,,,,, wrong man on the job leading to more destruction & defeats,,, paying the hard way sorry all fans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • I fully expect that if Roy doesn’t change his ways, and soon, he will be in the unemployment line. The new owners, from what I have seen in the past with the Boston Red Sox, are not ones to stick with a manager, or support staff, who are not doing their utmost to win.

      I would hate to see El Nino leave LFC, but could not fault him one iota if he did. He is a superstar playing for a second rate manager right now and that is NEVER a good combination. Torres deserves better. So does LFC.

      Go Reds!

  18. Roy Hodgson should go go,,,,,,,,,,Liverpool Liverpool ,,,,,,,,, wrong man on the job leading to more destruction & defeats,,, paying the hard way sorry all fans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. Simple solution…Roy Hodgson out! Any one who watching average 20s soccer match per season will know what is LFC performance on recent derby. But this old man commented as the best ever football of the season so far. Bullshit!!!

  20. Torres is playing terribly for both Spain and Liverpool. His first touch has always left a lot to be desired, and in the Spanish team he is clearly the worst player on the pitch. Sadly, that cannot be said when he dons a Liverpool shirt.

  21. Guys it’s late October and we are lowest in the league that I have ever seen in my 37yr Support of Liverpool. Some may say is only a phase and give Hodgson a few months. I already have seen enough.. He has our club in free fall and the laughing stock of the league. Someone need to grab the wheel and pull us back. Look at Spurs last season ?? unless we urgently take Roy out and replace him we will linger in the bottom 3 while the rest pull away.
    Tom in Ireland

  22. I was saying on BBC Africa Have Your Say, the last time that LFC doesn’t need Hodgson, and many people didn’t agree. He’s just a mid-table manager for a set of mediocre players who are satisfied with ending the season safe from the drop zone. This is LFC – the Pride of England. And we need a Manager to get our pride back. I think the time is ripe for the KING to return to his throne!

  23. If the scumbags want Torress we should take that as a compliment that we have in our team one of the best players in the world, and we should do all we can to keep him what we need is a manager who knows how to use a player like Torress and not waste his superb footballing skills, listen we all know what the problems are at Liverpool a manager and an assistant who are completely out of their depth we need Dalglish in now to turn things round before its to late

  24. Everyday I check the news. Hope to see Roy-Walk-Away news. It doesn’t seem to happen because Roy still thinks we play good football. He’s probably the first manager of LFC to get sacked!! Let’s hope it comes sooner.

  25. This article is spot on when people give torres a hard time by calling him lazy he obviously needs a partner if your at the match you notice how hard torres works and not just what sky pundits like jamie redknapp decide to show you, we ar e playing a formation which is now not working as it did not last season, We get a new manager for the new season who carries on with a formation that dosent work, hodgson needs 2 change his formation to play 2 our best players strength maybe with 3 a the back and play with wing backs with jova partnering torres the serb would be the perfect partner he strong and would hold the ball perfectly up for torres and also win most headers for torres to latch on to, Every liverpool fan can see what we are lacking but we do not pick the team the manager does and at this time it is not working so none of this blame should be aimedat torres because this man needs help and he just is not getin it

  26. The Gerrard/Torres partnership hasn’t worked for a long time now, and Hodgson made a serious error in the summer when he failed to sign a new striker. The year we came second I can think of numerous times when they linked up to great effect, but I seriously can’t think of one example from last season or this. I think the main reason it stopped working is that Torres has not been able to get that yard of pace back since injuries started to take their toll. If I had a criticism of Stevie it would be that he has struggled with the enormous demands of this role in recent times. To play in the ‘hole’ behind a main striker is probably one of the hardest in football as the player has to try to be both an extra man in midfield and support for the attacker. As Stevie’s ability to put in lung busting performances has been slightly lost. I think he has found it increasingly hard to fulfil both roles, not dropping deep when he’s required and being caught too deep when we have been on the counter. Having said all that, it’s not either Torres or Stevie’s fault that having forged such a great partnership and been the fulcrum of Liverpool’s pattern of play that the management at the club has not attempted to change when it’s clear to all it’s just not working. The term ‘wingers’ is obviously considered a dirty word at the club!

  27. The longer Uncle Roy clings on, or is allowed to stay, the more frustrated and annoyed the fans get, and the more our quality players like Torres look towards the exit.

    Roy should put the best intrests of the club first. He should show the honour and dignity for which he is known, and he should resign!

  28. I remember all these fans an pundits bleating on about Gerrard is best in the middle and we should play 442 and Torres needs a strike partner (that was Gerrard by the way).

    That rabble was clueless because now we have 442 and gerrard in “the role he loves” and all that crap and its totally useless.

    Rafa worked it out. Gerrard was good in midfield but better attacking with Torres in a 4231. It took a while to work it out but he did and we decimated teams. Now the rheotic and “English manager” mentality is ruining a team that isn’t made of a bunch of Englishmen from 1970.

    We progressed, now we’re back to late 2004 in one swoop. Its so frustrating as no matetr whether you liek or dislike Benite and his ways, his ways worked for Liverpool in a way things haven’t worked since the 90s and against the backdrop of billionaire backed competitors.

    I shake my head in wonder at the sheer stupidity of those who doubted him.

    Thats past regretfully and I’m not going to go and say I told you so. Right now its pretty clear that Roy isn’t a man who can build on what Rafa started. Rafa is a young man by coaching standards with new ideas. His counterparts in Ancelotti, Mourinho, Rikaard, Loew and the like are taking over the game. They are the new wave and we had probably the best tactician of the lot.

    Now we have an old guy with not much clue about how to win big at a big club – old ideas, true stubbornness (at least Rafas stubbornness was progressive) and hope is again disappearing.

    We need a young manager with modern ideas, end of.

    • you know what mate you are 100% correct benitez is probably laughing his head off but it’s not benitez fault or hodgsons its hicks and gillett before they took over we won the european cup and the fa cup what have we got now nothing lets hope this new era brings about a new manager whether its Rijkaard, O’Niell or Manuel Pellegrini (who led Real Madrid to their highest points tally and most goals ever scored in the La Liga and would no doubt play to Torres strengths)

      • Benitez will definitely not be laughing his head off. He is red through and through! He loved our club. I tell ya that chap must be hurting!

  29. Totally agree with this article. Torres can in no way be described a lazy player but how can Hodgson expect him to get excited or have confidence in a system that plays against ours and Nando’s strengths? Hodgson was always a stop gap manager and how many people honestly think he would of got the job if Martin O’Niell had made his decision to leave Villa a bit earlier than he did?

    Surely getting rid of Hodgson as soon as possible to replace him with O’Niell makes sense, How much would it cost us to buy out a manager of his class’s contract with another club?

    • Ai Od,

      Can you explain why you think Martin O’Neill would be a good manager for LFC? I have seen a couple of people express this, but am not sure what their reasons are.

  30. Agree with what you have said there as you watch Torres play this season and he has had no balls to him and its always been down to him to come into midfield to get any service…you look at the goal the dirty mancs scored against when Torres was the closest man to berb….he shouldnt have been marking let alone there no1 stricker….I hate to say it but people are pointing the finger at the wrong person and if things carry on the way they are we could be losing the best natural stricker we have had since Robbie….

  31. The formation with torres up front and gerrard behind got its first go at anfield against inter milan after we go knockd out of the cup against barnsley it was a new formation and it worked but now it is dated the only way it would work again is if we buy new atacking players to play on the left or right of this formation because kyjt isnt the quickest of players and no one looks like they can play on the left since riera first season

  32. I agree 100 per cent. Torres is starved of service, he has to chase the ball all the time with two or more defenders shadowing him.

  33. and get who? and when we replace torres we will see exactly how good he is because i dnt think any other striker in liverpools budget would even get near torres level

  34. Torres has lost it, he was crap in the world cup (don’t give me he was injured) and he had bundles of service. The likes of Henry and Messi make their own goals, so if Torres is so good, then why can’t he.

  35. The single biggest disappointment about this whole sorry mess is that as predicted by anyone with half a football brain..Manchester United are on the wane
    1: Fergie will go in the next 2 years, this will mean a huge transition for the club
    2: Rooney want out, most of the current starting 11 will be in their early 30’s next year..
    3:The club has huge debt(see LFC)

    What I’m trying to say is LFC knew this was coming and should have moved to take full advantage, right!

    The Man C, Arsenals, Chelseas and worst of all Spurs are so far ahead of LFC its not even funny

    Success moves in cycles, see LFC, MUFC, Arsenal, Chelsea, MUFC, Chelsea…who’s next?

    Our beloved clubs turn will eventually come and with these owners and the history they have I believe it will..but it will take 10 years!!
    Sorry Roy..Your not for Liverpool, not on my watch..Nor is Martin O’Neill..winning leagues in Scotland doesnt come close to qualifying you to manage our “Huge” club!!
    However, like every fan I’m completely frustrated and were sick of all the talking and the excuses….above all else we need and deserve a bit of luck!!
    YNWA!!

    3:
    ..Teams success moves in cycles..Liverpool

  36. I completely agree. I’ve been saying this for the better part of 2 months. Hodgson player the wrong people like Maxi/ Lucas, he plays people out of position, he has no control over the players and the players typically look confused in their play. If his goal was to do the worse possible job and turn world class players into less than average players fighting for relegation than he has achieved his goal. If I was Torres I would be gone in January unless things change for the better now.

  37. I completely agree. I’ve been saying this for the better part of 2 months. Hodgson player the wrong people like Maxi/ Lucas, he plays people out of position, he has no control over the players and the players typically look confused in their play. If his goal was to do the worse possible job and turn world class players into less than average players fighting for relegation than he has achieved his goal. If I was Torres I would be gone in January unless things change for the better now.

  38. I completely agree. I’ve been saying this for the better part of 2 months. Hodgson player the wrong people like Maxi/ Lucas, he plays people out of position, he has no control over the players and the players typically look confused in their play. If his goal was to do the worse possible job and turn world class players into less than average players fighting for relegation than he has achieved his goal. If I was Torres I would be gone in January unless things change for the better now.

  39. I completely agree. I’ve been saying this for the better part of 2 months. Hodgson player the wrong people like Maxi/ Lucas, he plays people out of position, he has no control over the players and the players typically look confused in their play. If his goal was to do the worse possible job and turn world class players into less than average players fighting for relegation than he has achieved his goal. If I was Torres I would be gone in January unless things change for the better now.

  40. Isolated , starved and now it looks like being edged towards manchester united. Is Roy trying to ruin us on purpose? he is either incapable or is doing his best to take us down and he is making a bloody good job of it. The way it works Roy is something like this: Dont mention anything about players going anywhere untill an approach is actually made, then if it is a player you really want to keep you say the player is under contract and is not moving anwhere, if the club happens to be your most bitter hated rivals, in our case Manchester united, you say the palyer is under contract , is not for sale and even if he was, would not be joining them in a million years. For godsake!!!! so being so defeatest and grow a pair!!1

  41. Isolated , starved and now it looks like being edged towards manchester united. Is Roy trying to ruin us on purpose? he is either incapable or is doing his best to take us down and he is making a bloody good job of it. The way it works Roy is something like this: Dont mention anything about players going anywhere untill an approach is actually made, then if it is a player you really want to keep you say the player is under contract and is not moving anwhere, if the club happens to be your most bitter hated rivals, in our case Manchester united, you say the palyer is under contract , is not for sale and even if he was, would not be joining them in a million years. For godsake!!!! so being so defeatest and grow a pair!!1

  42. Isolated , starved and now it looks like being edged towards manchester united. Is Roy trying to ruin us on purpose? he is either incapable or is doing his best to take us down and he is making a bloody good job of it. The way it works Roy is something like this: Dont mention anything about players going anywhere untill an approach is actually made, then if it is a player you really want to keep you say the player is under contract and is not moving anwhere, if the club happens to be your most bitter hated rivals, in our case Manchester united, you say the palyer is under contract , is not for sale and even if he was, would not be joining them in a million years. For godsake!!!! so being so defeatest and grow a pair!!1

  43. Isolated , starved and now it looks like being edged towards manchester united. Is Roy trying to ruin us on purpose? he is either incapable or is doing his best to take us down and he is making a bloody good job of it. The way it works Roy is something like this: Dont mention anything about players going anywhere untill an approach is actually made, then if it is a player you really want to keep you say the player is under contract and is not moving anwhere, if the club happens to be your most bitter hated rivals, in our case Manchester united, you say the palyer is under contract , is not for sale and even if he was, would not be joining them in a million years. For godsake!!!! so being so defeatest and grow a pair!!1

  44. Isolated , starved and now it looks like being edged towards manchester united. Is Roy trying to ruin us on purpose? he is either incapable or is doing his best to take us down and he is making a bloody good job of it. The way it works Roy is something like this: Dont mention anything about players going anywhere untill an approach is actually made, then if it is a player you really want to keep you say the player is under contract and is not moving anwhere, if the club happens to be your most bitter hated rivals, in our case Manchester united, you say the palyer is under contract , is not for sale and even if he was, would not be joining them in a million years. For godsake!!!! so being so defeatest and grow a pair!!1

  45. Completely agree, all season people have been criticizing Torres but I always thought the problem is service. In most games I see him running around trying to find space while completely isolated, no support and no-one to distract defenders so he’s trying to beat two, three and sometimes four defenders on his own, he’s great but no-one can do that all the time.
    I honestly think that unless Roy goes or drastically changes his tactics Torres will be off in January.
    A few people are arguing for the ‘Liverpool way’ and to support the manager, I appreciate the sentiment but if we stick with Roy we will end up with a half decent mid table team, my biggest worry is that that mid table will be the championship.

  46. Should have signed a really decent forward (Darren Bent) as support back up and for extra goals. All us supporters can see this why cant the management. Hodgson out Rijkard in.

  47. Should have signed a really decent forward (Darren Bent) as support back up and for extra goals. All us supporters can see this why cant the management. Hodgson out Rijkard in.

  48. At last someone’s spotted what I have been saying all season !
    But why stop there.
    In my opinion, we should adopt 3-5-2 formation.

    Here’s why….
    Every time Johnson or Konchesky get the ball, the constantly have to go in-field because we have no wingers.

    Playing people out of position on the wing does not make them wingers…….

    Because of this we keep getting caught out on the counter attack.
    This is forcing Gerrard too deep (he’s almost been our holding midfielder for the past 4 games ). I’d soon stick Gerrard out on the right wing than have him so deep that he’s playing as a holding midfielder.

    We have so many great options or formations our 5 midfielders could use and change easily during the match.

    But above all, Torres has to have a strike partner, whether Ngog, Kuyt (when fit) Babbel or Gerrard it really doesn’t matter. Torres needs support.

    In defence (and I love Carra) I would have Skrtl, Agger and Carragher
    Flat back 3.

    If it had to be 4-4-2 (and I love Carra) It should be Agger and Skrtel, with Johnson and Kelly as wingbacks. Carra is great, but his distribution isn’t that great, he’s really slowing down now, I just think Agger is so under used.

    Great going forward, throw back to Hansen, good tackler, good aerial prowess, and a good goal threat too.

    Final word.
    I have never called for a Liverpool manager’s head (Not even Souness)
    You can go on a 29 game unbeaten run and still lose a Derby, that’s how hard they are to predict.

    What isn’t hard to predict, is how badly Liverpool will play against Blackburn on Sunday.

    I haven’t seen Liverpool play well yet this season !

    Yes, the opening 10 mins against Man City, Yes 15 Minutes at Castel Grey Skull.

    I seriously wouldn’t wish for Liverpool to sack Roy after just 8 games, Like Danny Murphy said it took him 9 games to finally win a game for Fulham.

    But we’re not Fulham, We’re Liverpool (no-body is too good to go down, True), when do you decide enough is enough, when do you decide, hey if we don’t change something then yes we really could get relegated ?

    I really don’t know what the ANSWER is.
    YNWA
    Sparq2112

  49. At last someone’s spotted what I have been saying all season !
    But why stop there.
    In my opinion, we should adopt 3-5-2 formation.

    Here’s why….
    Every time Johnson or Konchesky get the ball, the constantly have to go in-field because we have no wingers.

    Playing people out of position on the wing does not make them wingers…….

    Because of this we keep getting caught out on the counter attack.
    This is forcing Gerrard too deep (he’s almost been our holding midfielder for the past 4 games ). I’d soon stick Gerrard out on the right wing than have him so deep that he’s playing as a holding midfielder.

    We have so many great options or formations our 5 midfielders could use and change easily during the match.

    But above all, Torres has to have a strike partner, whether Ngog, Kuyt (when fit) Babbel or Gerrard it really doesn’t matter. Torres needs support.

    In defence (and I love Carra) I would have Skrtl, Agger and Carragher
    Flat back 3.

    If it had to be 4-4-2 (and I love Carra) It should be Agger and Skrtel, with Johnson and Kelly as wingbacks. Carra is great, but his distribution isn’t that great, he’s really slowing down now, I just think Agger is so under used.

    Great going forward, throw back to Hansen, good tackler, good aerial prowess, and a good goal threat too.

    Final word.
    I have never called for a Liverpool manager’s head (Not even Souness)
    You can go on a 29 game unbeaten run and still lose a Derby, that’s how hard they are to predict.

    What isn’t hard to predict, is how badly Liverpool will play against Blackburn on Sunday.

    I haven’t seen Liverpool play well yet this season !

    Yes, the opening 10 mins against Man City, Yes 15 Minutes at Castel Grey Skull.

    I seriously wouldn’t wish for Liverpool to sack Roy after just 8 games, Like Danny Murphy said it took him 9 games to finally win a game for Fulham.

    But we’re not Fulham, We’re Liverpool (no-body is too good to go down, True), when do you decide enough is enough, when do you decide, hey if we don’t change something then yes we really could get relegated ?

    I really don’t know what the ANSWER is.
    YNWA
    Sparq2112

  50. At last someone’s spotted what I have been saying all season !
    But why stop there.
    In my opinion, we should adopt 3-5-2 formation.

    Here’s why….
    Every time Johnson or Konchesky get the ball, the constantly have to go in-field because we have no wingers.

    Playing people out of position on the wing does not make them wingers…….

    Because of this we keep getting caught out on the counter attack.
    This is forcing Gerrard too deep (he’s almost been our holding midfielder for the past 4 games ). I’d soon stick Gerrard out on the right wing than have him so deep that he’s playing as a holding midfielder.

    We have so many great options or formations our 5 midfielders could use and change easily during the match.

    But above all, Torres has to have a strike partner, whether Ngog, Kuyt (when fit) Babbel or Gerrard it really doesn’t matter. Torres needs support.

    In defence (and I love Carra) I would have Skrtl, Agger and Carragher
    Flat back 3.

    If it had to be 4-4-2 (and I love Carra) It should be Agger and Skrtel, with Johnson and Kelly as wingbacks. Carra is great, but his distribution isn’t that great, he’s really slowing down now, I just think Agger is so under used.

    Great going forward, throw back to Hansen, good tackler, good aerial prowess, and a good goal threat too.

    Final word.
    I have never called for a Liverpool manager’s head (Not even Souness)
    You can go on a 29 game unbeaten run and still lose a Derby, that’s how hard they are to predict.

    What isn’t hard to predict, is how badly Liverpool will play against Blackburn on Sunday.

    I haven’t seen Liverpool play well yet this season !

    Yes, the opening 10 mins against Man City, Yes 15 Minutes at Castel Grey Skull.

    I seriously wouldn’t wish for Liverpool to sack Roy after just 8 games, Like Danny Murphy said it took him 9 games to finally win a game for Fulham.

    But we’re not Fulham, We’re Liverpool (no-body is too good to go down, True), when do you decide enough is enough, when do you decide, hey if we don’t change something then yes we really could get relegated ?

    I really don’t know what the ANSWER is.
    YNWA
    Sparq2112

  51. were 4getting roy also fell out wiv agger our best defender at 1st now its torres whose next gerrard that way he can blame evry position but himself roy just go and do 1 we never wanted u here in the first place only the yanks hicks and gillet but now there gone u shud do the same

  52. were 4getting roy also fell out wiv agger our best defender at 1st now its torres whose next gerrard that way he can blame evry position but himself roy just go and do 1 we never wanted u here in the first place only the yanks hicks and gillet but now there gone u shud do the same

  53. were 4getting roy also fell out wiv agger our best defender at 1st now its torres whose next gerrard that way he can blame evry position but himself roy just go and do 1 we never wanted u here in the first place only the yanks hicks and gillet but now there gone u shud do the same

  54. were 4getting roy also fell out wiv agger our best defender at 1st now its torres whose next gerrard that way he can blame evry position but himself roy just go and do 1 we never wanted u here in the first place only the yanks hicks and gillet but now there gone u shud do the same

  55. were 4getting roy also fell out wiv agger our best defender at 1st now its torres whose next gerrard that way he can blame evry position but himself roy just go and do 1 we never wanted u here in the first place only the yanks hicks and gillet but now there gone u shud do the same

  56. For the record, Yes I didn’t want Rafa to go, A little disillusioned with him yes, but after finishing 2nd in the League and having no real money to spend to strengthen,
    Having to sell to buy (when it was obvious if ever H&G needed to give transfer funds, it was that year) I thought he was entitled to have One bad season (Atrocious).

    In my opinion Rafa at the very least should have been given 12 months to get us back on course.

    That said, Capello and Pelligrini were my personal choices when Rafa was Sacked.

    2 managers who know how to deal with egos !
    Sparq2112

  57. For the record, Yes I didn’t want Rafa to go, A little disillusioned with him yes, but after finishing 2nd in the League and having no real money to spend to strengthen,
    Having to sell to buy (when it was obvious if ever H&G needed to give transfer funds, it was that year) I thought he was entitled to have One bad season (Atrocious).

    In my opinion Rafa at the very least should have been given 12 months to get us back on course.

    That said, Capello and Pelligrini were my personal choices when Rafa was Sacked.

    2 managers who know how to deal with egos !
    Sparq2112

  58. For the record, Yes I didn’t want Rafa to go, A little disillusioned with him yes, but after finishing 2nd in the League and having no real money to spend to strengthen,
    Having to sell to buy (when it was obvious if ever H&G needed to give transfer funds, it was that year) I thought he was entitled to have One bad season (Atrocious).

    In my opinion Rafa at the very least should have been given 12 months to get us back on course.

    That said, Capello and Pelligrini were my personal choices when Rafa was Sacked.

    2 managers who know how to deal with egos !
    Sparq2112

  59. For the record, Yes I didn’t want Rafa to go, A little disillusioned with him yes, but after finishing 2nd in the League and having no real money to spend to strengthen,
    Having to sell to buy (when it was obvious if ever H&G needed to give transfer funds, it was that year) I thought he was entitled to have One bad season (Atrocious).

    In my opinion Rafa at the very least should have been given 12 months to get us back on course.

    That said, Capello and Pelligrini were my personal choices when Rafa was Sacked.

    2 managers who know how to deal with egos !
    Sparq2112

  60. For the record, Yes I didn’t want Rafa to go, A little disillusioned with him yes, but after finishing 2nd in the League and having no real money to spend to strengthen,
    Having to sell to buy (when it was obvious if ever H&G needed to give transfer funds, it was that year) I thought he was entitled to have One bad season (Atrocious).

    In my opinion Rafa at the very least should have been given 12 months to get us back on course.

    That said, Capello and Pelligrini were my personal choices when Rafa was Sacked.

    2 managers who know how to deal with egos !
    Sparq2112

  61. torres is paid enough to go on the pitch and give 100%…his head is not at liverpool ….if i was paid his wages i would give blood for the job…send him to barca to be with his mate villa…cash in on him now….i would sooner see 100% from a reserve player in attack for liverpool …than see 50 % of fernando…same with gerrard…times are moving on and players are getting older..lets see some young blood in the team and build on them…the old days are gone…..the time is now…and next season the players we have now are a little bit older…everything moves on and so should we….

  62. I totally agree with the article on torres but its not only that. I know we are stuck with Babel, Lucus etc etc till Jan. BUT PLEASE can we look at Wingers and another Striker then . Until that time can we ATTACKat Home please with some old fashioned guts. Mr Hodgson is a nice Guy but NOT for the long haul

  63. great article
    also agree carra should shut it
    probably one of the reasons rafa left – the so called senior players who were unhappy with him
    now he is seemingly very happy with hodgson serves him right
    torres is unhappy because as the star player you should play around him e.g. barcelona around messi
    unfortunately hodgson does not understand that simple fact

  64. Torres doest want to be here anymore. You can see it! He has already said before that he doesnt know how other players cope with everything in the Premiership, and if that doesnt ring alarm bell’s then I don’t know what does. He wants out and is not truly motivated playing for Liverpool, as he thinks he has too much to do there. Which is true, we really do need a few new strikers to ease the pressure on him. I don’t know about everyone else but I would rarther have 3-4 good strikers than 1 world class one. Tottenham have showed us this they have a far better and deeper side than us, they they dont have the 2 world class players like Torres and Gerrard but still to much relieance on just these people.

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