Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club

[Raavishx]

Originally Posted by Mike1892

No we didn't have Masch, we had Xabi, Sissoko and Gerrard. We tried to sign Simao and ended up with Pennant. We also improved our league standing and got to CL final, but why bring that up it was Souness who built those foundations.

Like mentioned above we have roughly 20m to spend net every season, with which we should win the title apparently. With that considered Rafa has done fairly well I'd say, he certainly hasn't dropped any more blobs than most.

Forgetting all that has gone before this season the fact of the matter remains that we went into pre season with best chance we ever had in winning the prem. When we needed the final push the financial support wasn't there. If I had a pound for everytime I read the words SMOKE SCREEN in the rumour mill I'd have the fucking money to give to Rafa, but it wasn't. Why? Because the debt needs servicing.

Now have a look at our net spend this summer compared to all the other Premier league clubs and tell me what you see.

My only complaint this summer with Rafa was keeping Babel/Dossena/Voronin. He was willing to give them another chance which ultimately is costing us in one shape or form. However we do not know why they were kept.

And lose the text talk mate, unless your 7 then I apologise.

Ok, so we did not have masch but had sissoko instead. So how is that different in terms of that we already had 2 defensive midfielders and needed a n attacking player?

P.S does the way i write offend you??

[rippedshorts]

Buying and then selling players for a profit does not translate to a successful transfer, as we are not a business. We are a football club. I certainly don't believe the agendas in the newspapers who have been slagging Rafa very badly. However, I also do not believe in Paul Tomkins and the likes.

I believe that Rafa has only a been a decent success in transfers market. Our buys are nowhere good enough to make us champions, and since we are Liverpool, we want something more than the likes of Everton and Tottenham. Some called Lucas a success, how sad is that when Fabregas is of the same age, cost 1/10 of his fee? He's a decent backup for us, nothing more, and maybe we could have had better players. I believe that the Keane, Doss, and Babel money can be used to buy a world beater who could have taken us to the next level. One last thing, even if we give the money to Benitez, who knows if he ends up buying the Atleti Portugese winger?? The last thing I knew was that the owners refused money to Rafa becoz he wanted Barry rather than Xabi, however that's what many of us here supported. In other words, G&H were doing WHAT MANY OF YOU CALLED FOR!!! Who knows, maybe he didn't give Rafa money because he wanted to spend it in that 30 year old winger???

[rippedshorts]

I left something out. I think with the total money he had been given, he could have signed better cutting edge players rather than the ones we depend on right now, who are Kuyt, Benny, Riera, and Babel. I'm not having a go as he has been a rather outstanding success. But you get the point, many attackers purchased and not many turn out to be cutting edge.

[1dragon]

Rafa's first choice players (players he got in the end)

David Villa (Cisse)
Simao (Pennant)
Alves (Arbeloa/Pennant)
Nemanja Vidic (Martin Skrtel)
Patrice Evra
David Silva (Albert Riera)


These are the ones that I can remember. Make of it as you will, but look where are these players now? At the clubs who can truly afford them at a later time.

[Raavishx]

Originally Posted by rippedshorts

Buying and then selling players for a profit does not translate to a successful transfer, as we are not a business. We are a football club. I certainly don't believe the agendas in the newspapers who have been slagging Rafa very badly. However, I also do not believe in Paul Tomkins and the likes.

I believe that Rafa has only a been a decent success in transfers market. Our buys are nowhere good enough to make us champions, and since we are Liverpool, we want something more than the likes of Everton and Tottenham. Some called Lucas a success, how sad is that when Fabregas is of the same age, cost 1/10 of his fee? He's a decent backup for us, nothing more, and maybe we could have had better players. I believe that the Keane, Doss, and Babel money can be used to buy a world beater who could have taken us to the next level. One last thing, even if we give the money to Benitez, who knows if he ends up buying the Atleti Portugese winger?? The last thing I knew was that the owners refused money to Rafa becoz he wanted Barry rather than Xabi, however that's what many of us here supported. In other words, G&H were doing WHAT MANY OF YOU CALLED FOR!!! Who knows, maybe he didn't give Rafa money because he wanted to spend it in that 30 year old winger???

Couldnt agree more.. But unfortunately most people will jump at the truth and would rather choose to act blind..

[Raavishx]

Originally Posted by 1dragon

Rafa's first choice players (players he got in the end)

David Villa (Cisse)
Simao (Pennant)
Alves (Arbeloa/Pennant)
Nemanja Vidic (Martin Skrtel)
Patrice Evra
David Silva (Albert Riera)


These are the ones that I can remember. Make of it as you will, but look where are these players now? At the clubs who can truly afford them at a later time.

I see you point. The thing is that we can all wish for kaka's messi's and so on, but not every club can afford those. What makes a manager a good one is bringing success with alimited budget. And unfortunately liverpool have limited resources, a fact that whatever we say is not going to change overnight. So should we all start moaning and crying and throw tantrums??

I say we should do the best with the limited means. And with approx a reported £113 million net transfer spending (i cant verify those unfortunately - source transferleague), i think we could have done much better in the transfer window..

[Il_Principino]

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Ok, so we did not have masch but had sissoko instead. So how is that different in terms of that we already had 2 defensive midfielders and needed a n attacking player?

P.S does the way i write offend you??

forum rules say no text talk.

[Raavishx]

Originally Posted by kop_fever

forum rules say no text talk.

I apologize.

[Sionach]

Originally Posted by 1dragon

Rafa's first choice players (players he got in the end)

David Villa (Cisse)

Rafa might have wanted Villa but the Cisse deal was already done by Houllier before he left.

[zooropa21]

Signings in the striker front are weak. Granted we have Torres as our biggest stud, however what else since.

As posted from his recent interview in Melwood, good strikers in their prime, like Crouch, won't take high wages to warm the bench, they want and expect to play.

Rafa's formation rigidity combined with our limited funds is a 1-2 combination that makes it hard to grab decent quality for the #1B or #2 striker position.

[redfanman]

Originally Posted by Mike1892

My only complaint this summer with Rafa was keeping Babel/Dossena/Voronin. He was willing to give them another chance which ultimately is costing us in one shape or form. However we do not know why they were kept.

Rafa didnt have much chance. There werent too many offers for those three. Dossena's move back to Italy fell through because he couldnt agree on wages. Voronin's move also fell through over money/falling out. I dont remember an offer for Babel (there were rumours of an offer from a turkish or german team but i dont remember anything significant.).

Even if he had sold them, he might not have been given the funds to pursue anyone else, or been able to persuade anyone to come...(it seems several of the british sides had trouble bringing in players.).

[redfanman]

Originally Posted by rippedshorts

The last thing I knew was that the owners refused money to Rafa becoz he wanted Barry rather than Xabi, however that's what many of us here supported. In other words, G&H were doing WHAT MANY OF YOU CALLED FOR!!! Who knows, maybe he didn't give Rafa money because he wanted to spend it in that 30 year old winger???

Rafa originally wanted to sign Barry and keep Alonso. G&H had promised Rafa money for Barry, and Parry had Promised Rafa that the signing of Keane would not prevent the signing of Barry. It was only when they went back on their promises that Rafa entertained the idea of allowing Alonso to go.

[denos666]

Originally Posted by LetsBuyTotti

Torres
Alonso
Reina
Johnson
Garcia
Aquilani
Mascherano
Skrtel
Benayoun
Arbeloa
Kuyt
Aurelio
Fowler
Crouch
Sissoko

All decent signings in their individual ways. Can't think of 15 players of that quality bought by Houllier. Or even someone like Wenger.

Say no more.

are you kidding?

i'm not gonna turn this into a wenger love fest but come on, benitez record doesn't remotely compare to wengers.

he's signed petit, vieria, anelka, henry, overmars, toure, adebeyour, van persie, pires, gallas, promoted cole, eduardo, fabregas, flamini, hleb, vermaelen, arshavin. all of them are very good players or excellent / world class players and many were sold on at a massive profit. they were just the ones i could think of off the top of my head. benitez defo has a better track record than houllier (although lets not forget he did bring in some brilliant players for us such as dudek, henchoz, hyypia, babbel, riise, hamman, mcallister) but he hasn't got as good a track record as wenger in the transfer market. plus your quoting aquilani and he has only played 10 minutes for us. he may turn out to be a flop for all we know.

[Raavishx]

http://transferleague.co.uk/data/dat.../sheet001.html

[Eire-Dearg]

Originally Posted by Raavishx

http://transferleague.co.uk/data/dat.../sheet001.html

That's the second time you've posted that, its more than likely a big pile of unreliable bullshit.

[Raavishx]

Originally Posted by Eire-Dearg

That's the second time you've posted that, its more than likely a big pile of unreliable bullshit.

Make your own table and show me wrong.
If you cant, then that says it all... You are all about maybes.. and ifs.. in my opinion..

[Eire-Dearg]

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Make your own table and show me wrong.
If you cant, then that says it all... You are all about maybes.. and ifs.. in my opinion..

Fine, take it as Gospel. Doesn't mean any logical fan will trust the reliance of those type of lists.

[ubermick]

Originally Posted by Eire-Dearg

Fine, take it as Gospel. Doesn't mean any logical fan will trust the reliance of those type of lists.

So what differentiates it from the other lists that are published by Tompkins et al, in support of Rafa's transfer philosophy? The numbers are the numbers, and the grey areas of interpretation happen when we start making assumptions over how the deals were made.

[Eire-Dearg]

Originally Posted by ubermick

So what differentiates it from the other lists that are published by Tompkins et al, in support of Rafa's transfer philosophy? The numbers are the numbers, and the grey areas of interpretation happen when we start making assumptions over how the deals were made.

The table he posts goes all the way back to 1992, risking 13 years more chance of errors, before 2005 where Tomkins has specialized in with his lists in the past.

[huwzie]

Originally Posted by ubermick

So what differentiates it from the other lists that are published by Tompkins et al, in support of Rafa's transfer philosophy? The numbers are the numbers, and the grey areas of interpretation happen when we start making assumptions over how the deals were made.

The one from Tompkins is done by a Liverpool supporter.

The other ones are done by United supporter.

Which one would you prefer to believe?

[Raavishx]

Not taking it as gospel and i am not looking for an argument here. Ok lets assume it is not 113 million net but 83 million (bet u like this figure better)..

My point, we need to concentrate on buying players of more quality. A left winger? Do you really think, Babel a right footed player is your solution? In 2006/2007 we had no wingers. Who do you think we bought? Pennant for 6million and spent another 6million on lucas when we already had sissoko, alonso and gerrard. We needed a wing back and we bought dossena..

I know in retrospective everyone can be right, but what are scouting networks for? Arent they supposed to assess a player and report to the manager? And isnt the managers role to see if A, or B is going to fit in the team? I just find it ridiculous that of the many players we bought so many ended up being failures.

[Que Pasa Ollie Kay?]

Originally Posted by Eire-Dearg

That's the second time you've posted that, its more than likely a big pile of unreliable bullshit.

Here is another big pile of unreliable bullshit.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/...nitezr_av.html

[Dublin_Kopite]

Originally Posted by Eire-Dearg

The table he posts goes all the way back to 1992, risking 13 years more chance of errors, before 2005 where Tomkins has specialized in with his lists in the past.

There you go..
The only thing small issue is that Rafa didn't buy Cisse but he sold him..

[denos666]

Originally Posted by huwzie

The one from Tompkins is done by a Liverpool supporter.

The other ones are done by United supporter.

Which one would you prefer to believe?

erm neither.

that list that was posted can be broken down into each year though. if you click on the liverpool link at the bottom of the page then you can see it season by season. of course it doesn't give exact numbers because no one knows exactly how much we spent on players. but its good for an indication. however the one of lfc history is about similar to that

[el_n1n0]

http://liverpoolhistory.net/

I usually refer to this site, dont know whether its reliable or not, better less than nothing.