First!

Really good read Gerry. I agree – I think tomorrow, facing an in-form Sunderland, is going to be a real test. Right now I’ll take a draw and then two wins from two after that – will keep us all ticking over nicely

Nice one gerry,was bustin for a new blog!! eveyone is freaking out because of the potential injurys on sat but i can see us foucsing even more an rolling out 2-0 winners(heres hoping anyway) COME ON THE POOL.

As someone who interviews people for aliving gerry, all I can say is, excellent job sir!

And I sort of agree with roarin… its a trite cliche to trot out, but could SG and Torres not playing almost be a blessing in disguise?
The focus of our play will be elsewhere, it will require others to step up… and perhaps they may be able to do so, not playing in the aforementioned shadows… and it could make it harder for Sunderland to defend against us, since their focus will not be on stifling 2 players, but all over the park.

I guess in short, what I’m saying is, it should make for a more open game.
Now that could just as easily work against us, but on paper, should give us the edge!

Could be an ideal time to see what many people on this site have mentioned before and that is to see Babel up front (although I won’t be holding my breath).

More likely to be Eggnog or The porn star.

Aitch i think it could be a blessing in disguise.

Either way, we could have 3-4 first team players out (SG, FT, Kuyt, Macher or Lucas). With this in mind, we have a massive CL game followed by the mancs. Whoever gets a start for the players out will no doubt want to push for spots/bench positions in these games, so they should be well up for it.

Neilob i think it will be eggnog, then again it might not be because he hasnt had much game time. Also depends how Babel has pulled up after his travel to Oz.

I like Ngog because he showed he can hold the ball up and be physical even we players try to kick the shit out of him (Leeds, yes i know they arent a top team, doesnt mean they wont try and kill you). Plus Ngog doesnt just put his head down and run at players.

Watch Vorronin, what he likes to do is drop off defenders, as they are backing up… so he’s not best suited to leading the line as a solo striker.
For that reason I think Ngog sould get the nod.

But its Rafa we’re dealing with here, so who fuckin knows who’ll play!

As far as the ownership sitation is going… when did LFC become the fuckin fat bird at the party that no-one wanted to dance with???
Now the fuckin Prince is distancing himself from us. Isn’t that the 4th suitor who’s fucked off on us.
What do we have the Footy Club Financial Equivalent of Fuckin Herpes, or what?

Great read as usual Gerry and this is one game that I would take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week. Bruce has not been kind to us over then years, coupled with the injuries and the long flight home for certain players and this weekend is far from a certainty. Yes we have the players and squad to win lets just hope we do it.

I also have to agree with you the players need to take a long hard look at themselves for playing a nothing game while carrying a injury. It is really disappointing after the start we have had to be in this situation.

Really enjoyed that Gerry. The interview part was a nice change, and I think your answers pretty much summed up how most LFC fans – those with a brain anyway – feel about things.

As for the international footy, well, what can I say that’s any different and hasn’t been said before. This shit has been going on with LFC players since the 70′s, and LFC fans (Scousers in particular) got some very nasty stick for not giving a shit about Ingurlund. Of course, now with players coming from all over the globe, it’s international football in general that is the gripe. But it’s never going to change – even though it’s not just LFC fans that moan about our players getting flown all over the world and coming back injured from meaningless games and friendlies.

So, all I can say on the subject is what I always say… I hate international football.

But I don’t think we can expect the players to feel the same way. Take Agger for instance… He could have very easily got damaged again and been out for a long period before he’s even kicked a ball for us. But we can’t really expect him not to play. LFC is just his job, and his true loyalties lie elsewhere.

That’s not a dig at Agger. I hated Mascherano and Babel going off to the Olympics, but I understood it – even though I have no real patriotism myself. I wish more players would be like Carra, but it’s understandable that they are more like Gerrard.

As I say, it’s something that has pissed me off since the 70′s but I can’t see an answer to it. And if it does change, it will only get worse – as the greedy bastards at UEFA and FIFA try to grab more and more money.

Having said all that (On something I wasn’t going to comment on), don’t be surprised to see both Gerrard and Torres play at Sunderland. I think they might, but then I will be terrified anything happens and they miss the next 2 games.

Great blog Ger, best one for a while. Agree 100% with your point on players playing irrelevant unnecessary games. Its beyond a joke at this stage and as you rightly point out its the players fault as much as anything else. Re: your interview, what were Yorkes revelations on Keane? I never heard anything, fill me in Ger!

Digger – click on the link http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/523923/dwight-yorke.html

Difficult to see a Reds win.The Sunnies have had 2 weeks to prepare so I reckon they will do us by 1 goal.Hope Torres and co are proud of returning injured.Didn’t see Rooney lining out midweek-that is the kind of attitude we need.

Well, Burgerman I just saw this on the BBC sport website:

Wayne Rooney will miss Manchester United’s match against Bolton because of a calf injury he suffered during England’s defeat in Ukraine last week.

Taggart:
“Calf injuries can be troublesome,” said Ferguson. “We are trying our best to get him fit for Wednesday but I have my doubts on that. But Wayne should be fit for the Liverpool game.
“We know how difficult these things can be so we will not be taking any chances with the Moscow trip.”

‘…the board goes up and Keano takes a running jump and smashes it over with a kung fu kick’ Lmfao! Cheers LB!

Some encouraging sights …

ttp://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166092091015-1727.htm

Not so encouraging

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166099091016-1341.htm

What I continually pray for is for Messrs G & H to JUST leave! Enough said about the two clowns.

International friendlies, international friendlies. Our shirt versus the national shirt. In truth, why is it that playing for the national shirt quite often leads to expenses being borne by generous clubs through medical treatment? Surely it’s a great service a player gives to their national squad, but why is it the same doesn’t foot any bills the players incurs as a club employee? Players need to seriously think about this as it seems they’re continually getting the short end of the stick.

Our walking wounded list seems to multiply by the day but it might give me a chance to see the Dagger for once this season. I’m also encouraged somewhat by Aquilani’s participation in training (official site). I also remain unsure about a Liverpool Echo story in which Kuyt passes himself fit.

I keep saying that being Red has really worked on my patience. If patience is a muscle I believe it’s been greatly strengthened by following this great team through the thick and the thin sides of the same coin.

I still see a squeaky win with a squad that might look thus (factoring in the late arrival of Masche, Insua and Lucas,and the injuries to Stevie G and El Nino): Reina, GJ, Carra/Skrtel, Agger, Dossena, Spearing, Aurelio, Babel/Riera (if fit), Benayoun, Voronin/N’gog, Kuyt (4-2-3-1 formation). The gaffer might also choose to play a 4-3-3 (but we are relatively short of pace) or a 4-4-1-1 with Voro or N’gog off Kuyt. Either way, we’d need a solid midfield to win us possession and keep offensive play going (opposite to our trip to La Viola).

All things considered, siempre es posible. Go Reds, YN(Ever)WA(Ever)!

Oh well, there’s been worse days…
http://www.break.com/index/drunkest-guy-ever-goes-for-more-beer.html

But I really can’t remember when.

God I hate international football.

Torres and Gerrard out, our South Americans (Insua, Masch, and Lucas) are probably knackered from the long trip, our Dutch fly to Oz for a friggin’ friendly, and Zorba the Greek returns with a knee-knack.

What a great way to start the week that will define our season, huh?

Sat……….Sunderland away
Tues………Lyon home
Sun 10/25….Mancs home
Wed 10/28….Arsenal away (League Cup)

For sure the League Cup will cease to be a priority. We can’t afford to drop any more points in the league, and that Lyon match is a must win.

With Debrecan being so woeful, I’m guessing we’ll need to win our last two home matches (Lyon & Fiorentina) as well as grab a draw away to Lyon and a win at Debrecan. Unless someone drops points to the Hungarians, that’s what we’ll need to get through.

Curious to see how Rafa uses Dirk, Yossi, Voronin, and Reira tomorrow. I don’t think Babel will get a start, but I’m not sure how those four would line up together?

Fuckin hilarious FS p.s thats not the effects of drink, that young man has defo been dabbling with some L.C.D. If he was the one chosen to get the beer i’d hate to see the state of his mates back at the house!! haha

Super stuff Gerry.Enjoyed that interview.

Agree,the most established international must grow a pair when it comes to playing meaningless games with niggles.Surely Stevie and Nando knew they were risking their fitness.They have to shoulder some of the blame.

Whats done is done now so we must soldier on with what we have.Despite our injurys we can get three points tomorrow if the attitude and workrate is right,the rest should take care of itself.

I`m not totally dismissing Sunderland they will press and work hard from the off,try to unsettle us but we must match that from the first whistle and make it a difficult game for them.

I really don`t know what Rafa will do but i`ll hazard a guess:

Reina
Johnson,carra,skrtel,Aurelio
Mash,lucas
Babel,benny,riera
Kuyt.

Go on the Keano

Jaysus were up shit creek this weekend

But I have a funny feeling that úp shit creék

is were we need to be and I can see the lads pulling this one off and kickstartin the rest of the season

Im goin for a 1-3 to the boys in red

Burgerman you never cease to amaze me

Fatty any chance of tickets for the spurs game in January?

Over and out

Forgot to say

Class blog Gerry…….great read!

Over

On the subject of Keane

Check out this video

Its fucking class he looks like he’s gonna kill the reporter

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/8289291.stm

over and out

Hey all,

Can someone do a favour for me?

I have a function starting the same time as the our game. Could someone please post the formation and subs for me when the game starts.
Ill be able to login on my blackberry.

Id go on to bbc or similar, but it takes ages to try and find the line up.
Cheers

The way I see it, we are looking at Kuyt or Benayoun to produce that match winning something special today. Babel should be the type of player that can come off the bench and win this type of game, and who knows, perhaps he will.

I’m going for us to keep a clean sheet at last and to take the points by a single goal.

Gonna be a tough one today.

Whether we get a result today, I believe, really depends on how we handle Jones and Bent. If we can keep them quiet we have more than a decent chance. However, this season our defence has struggled against ‘target men’ – call them what you will e.g.
- Davies
- Drogba
- Carlton Cole
- Carew

I read that Rafa has been working a lot with Carra this past week, so hopefully some good will come out of this international week. Here’s hoping anyway.

#21- i meant L.S.D

Well after a quick juke through the papers it seems we’re done for today. This will be so sweet to win just to sicken the lazy “experts” out there.

COME ON THE POOL

Fuck the experts mate.

It’s not going to be easy, but we know we can win without Torres and Gerrard. And Villa could well turn Chelsea over, and Bolton are more than capable of getting a result at Old Trafford.

The way to beat Chelsea…
The midfield diamond they use keeps the middle tight but, if Malouda isn’t playing there’s no width whatsoever. The only width they have comes from their fullbacks. So, Milner and Abonglahor must press up on Cole and Bosswinga. That can also pull the central defence wide and make room for Carew – who can score or hold the ball up and bring others into play.

So, there is a way Villa can beat Chelsea. It just depends on O’Neil going for it and their defence keeping out Dropba and Anelka. Not an easy job, but I think ONeil will play that way and Villa can do the job. And there’s no way that game is the walkover that the media insist it is.

As for Man U, it depends which Bolton turns up. When they get stuck in and rough Utd up a bit, they always give them a hard time. But with Utd not having Ronaldo as an outlet this season, and their defence being as stable as that lad in the video, we could see a surprise there if Megson has the bollacks to have a go at them.

So, I’d say our hopes depend on other managers this weekend, not the fucking media. Mind you – having heard Allardyce kissing Redknapp’s arse all morning – there’s no real consolation in that either.

Oh well, what’s new.

Just heard from Knight. He is in Sunderland, doing a few things while waiting for the match. Let’s hope he isn’t disapointed.

PS… Van Der Sar is back in goal for the Mancs. I’m hoping Bolton can get some set pieces round their area and Davies rags into him and the best centre half pairing in the universe. Vidic and Ferdinand can’t handle him.

And in the last post, I wasn’t discounting Arsenal or Man City. I stand by what I said at the beginning of the season…
Arsenal will suffer come January/Febuary.
And I still think City can win the whole thing.

Chelsea just conceded a goal from a set piece. Did Andy Gray or Jamie Redknapp talk about man marking? They would have droned on about zonal marking if that had been Liverpool – stupid clowns.

What are the odds? The great Chelsea conceded a second goal from a set piece. Gerry can we have a blog on man to man marking?

well the press were saying chelsea were going to romp villa, and look what happened.

chelsea’s season is over. lancelloti is surely in for the sack

0-1

Bent shoots. The Ball hits a big red balloon. Reina goes for the balloon and the ball goes in. Man U score an own goal.

If that’s not the devil’s work, I give up.

The work of the Devil instead..

RVP scored

watched the replay… actually pepe was moving towards the correct direction. the ball hit Glenda’s foot on the way and changed direction…

Gunners, Mancs, Spurs won…..
7 points off the pace…
Title gone?

hmm… 3rd lost in a row…including the Fiorentina game and with Manc visiting Anfield next….
Just the type of game we need….

we played badly today.
Spearing did not do himself a great favor today with this display. So was Babel. Glad to see Agger on action again.

7 points off the top. We have to play the leaders next week. And you’re asking is the title gone!
Good grief.

the title is never gone till it is.

we looked shocking for most of the match. i thought bent’s goal was demoralizing, personally. its like the world is against us. after that, the ref lost control of the match, and we completely failed at controlling the tempo of the game.

i dont know why rafa waited so long to make a change. i thought multiple changes were due at half time, but its not his fault. the players were horrendous today. babel was woeful, spearing nearly cost us two goals (i like the boy, but he was poor today), and if sunderland could finish at all without the aid of beach paraphernalia (bent’s shot was going right at reina before it hit the ball) – they would have won 4 or 5-0.

we looked absolutely shambolic for large stretches of the match. really astonishing lack of quality.

im not saying our season is over, cause its not, but i thought that was a woeful performance of which the players should be ashamed. very depressing performance.

in addition, everytime chelsea or the mancs lose, we fail to capitalize : ( at least we havent lost point against chelsea on the table, cause i think when it comes down to it, we are going to fighting against them.

YNWA

3 consecutive Defeats for LFC and still another bad day at the office…hhahahahahahhahahahha hahahahahahahhaha hahahahahahahahahhahhah……..

You got a feather stuck up your arse. Divvy.

sula – i dont know who said it was a bad day at the office, but it was. do you honestly think that the performance of our side today was directly related to their actual ability?

yes it was a shite performance. thats clear to see… weve played poorly for several matches this season and our collective mentality is very low right now.

our performance today was equal to a championship or lower team until extra time in the second half…is that the best we can play though? come on…

Feather up his arse ? the whole chicken more likely.

Rafa conceded defeat as soon as the Balloon scored the goal,he cant even change a game at half time..if the likes of voronin cant play these kind of games when Torres is injured when will the chance ever came? do u guys ever watch the other big 3 playing,whether winning or losing,they remain a very versatile side..whether liverpool is playing a strong or week team,they r playing under pressure! 5yrs down the road,the rafalution is doing magic! i can smell the Gerald Houllier days…

Alec mate,thats the excuse every one comes up with here! it was a bad day at the office! its 4yrs down the road with out a tropy,and need i need to remind u that its 20yrs since the league? another bad day at the office? my arse!!!

I’ve said it before but if you dont like find another team/sport.

did you see voronin when he came on?! on what basis should he be given a chance from the off?

who knows why rafa failed to substitute? maybe to allow his players the chance to bring themselves back into the game? we all know rafa is 100% supportive of mentality. who knows what he talked about at halftime…

but sula, your solution is starting voronin?! seriously?

you say we are playing under pressure? im not surprised given the pressure they receive from the media and the opposing side, not to mention their own fans. sunderland played a high pressured game today and were successful at breaking up our ability to dictate the tempo of our attack… we failed to play to our ability and looked poor on the day

uh oh…we’re without a trophy again and its october! i forgot we’ve failed to win a trophy again this year in october : )

Given the build up to the game, I think it’s fair to say that most of us were more hopeful than confident facing into this match.

While it’s very disappointing we are still not out of it, especially facing United next week.

But we need a big improvement indivually and collectively. We also need a couple of wins to get our confidence back and we need Nando, SG and Aquaman back to develop our new post Xabi system.

A consolation is that all the tops teams are going to drop more points than usual and nobody is going to run away with the league this season.

We looked poor on the day! are u kidding me Alec mate? we’ve looked very poor since the start of this season! and mind u,u’ve looked poor for the last 4yrs coz we dont have anything to show! trophies in the cabin mate,thats tremendous history

so fucking gutted, im heading out tonight and this has put such a bigger downer on it. fuckin disgusted. Anyway the fact remains were still only 6points behind chelsea and thats the positive im holding on to until next week. We had to win today in preparation for the filth arriving…… we didnt,so now the next game is must win??? BALLS theres gonna be so many points dropped by the big four lets just us get ours outta the way now.

ive looked poor for the last 4 years? i know we’ve been poor, i said that:

“weve played poorly for several matches this season and our collective mentality is very low right now.”

“is that the best we can play though?”

i dont think it is.

I’ve been defending these players for a long time now, saying they are far more capable than they are showing….

but I havv to admit, I’m starting to wonder. Are the good performances as much as they can muster and the last few games truly representative of their actual ability?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knee-jerking here… its far too early to be writing us off, but we do seem to be playing worse by the week, instead of better and that combined with a total lack of ideas all over the park… very little movement off the ball… and a seeming complete lack of botttle for a scrap…. well it makes me wonder

Something is definitely wrong somewhere.
Half the players looked like they had no idea, the other half… regardless of form, didn’t even put in any decent graft.

And, as much as I’m a supporter of Rafa, if it goes tits up in the first 5 minutes, and you’re players don’t respond in 20, 30, 45, 60 minutes, you can make a triple sub, you know!
(oh and when you do, don’t take off players that were actually playing alright… Skrtel off and Aurelio stays on????)

Oh dear….

I disagree with sula, this was always gonna be a tough one after the international break, but he is right on one count. This was/is more than a bad day at the office.

Sula Let me guess 4.5 year’s supporting Liverpool or judging by your comment
( and mind u,u’ve looked poor for the last 4yrs ) would lead some to believe
you support some other team.
The facts are if it wasn’t for a balloon we wouldn’t be having this conversation however it doesn’t alter the fact that we must do better.

rome, in fairness, i think there was more to today than just the balloon…sunderland couldve scored several more goals, and thats the worry. why we were so bad all over the park…and its not the first time this season.

i understand sula’s frustration, but i just am not reacting to the match the same way. i know, and i think we all know, that this team can play much better than this…

on top of our general lack of form (although i thought we played well against chelsea) how much time did sunderland have with their full squad to prepare for today’s game vs. liverpool’s.

there are many things going on that lead to a poor display. but given that we have had several this year so far is definitely worrying. i dont see it as rafa’s fault that nearly every player on the pitch was rubbish today. and i mean rubbish in the sense of their actual ability. kuyt, benayoun, etc can all play better than they did today, no? i think so…

Aitch mate,the lads are playing like this just because thats what they are exactly told to do during training,look at the likes of Voronin,Sktel,Agger,plesis,Lucas,Babel,Sissoko,Kuyt,Peanut.. etc,these guys had fanstatic times during their 1st seasons for LFC,look at them now,they r all being mechanised by Rafa..they cant score from any set-piece,neither can they do from open play..the only player who tends to play well is Benny,coz he tends to play his natural game! Rafa is too tactical,too cautious,can anyone tell me why the likes of Stoke,Fulham,Spurs,Burnely,Aston Villa..keep winning and losing as a team? O! ya coz they dont have a Rafa in there..they always put their best players on the field and play a natural game…he needs to let strikesr do their work and Defenders do theirs..i now believe the crap Jermaine said abt him,he makes u feel like a Robot! YWNA

Rome77 mate,the balloon did its job…and what did LFC do???? O’ ya we’ve had a balloon at Spurs, Chelsea,Fiorntina and Aston Villa…Can u just stop being biased and wake up and smell the coffee???

Sula you are an arse

If you hurry up Stan Collymoore is still holding his enquiry into the death of LFC and Rafa’s inquest on the Talk Shite phone in. You’re comments will fit right in there. Mind you, don’t rush. He does it every week and there’s always room for another shite spouting divvy.

Dont arse me yet Fat Scouser,we’ve been making progress under Rafa in 6yrs and the title is already lost in October! cant u just stop fucking being biased and read btn the lines? how old are u mate? Istanbul generation???

@Sula

No point going against your fellow LFc fans mate. I can understand where the frustration is coming from. You need to understand that this forum is full of passionate of LFC supporters and its quite hard to convince them that we actually are not capable of winning the league with this team and this squad.

Fergusson told at the beginning of the season that the points which we were able to achieve last season is probably the best we can ever. I am beginning to find a lot of sense in his point.

I know i am gonna make a lot of senior guys upset here wit my comments but i must say that lets stop defending the team and the manager when they really play like a average side. The problem today with Liverpool was the lack of goal scorers and if i am not mistaken that has been our problem always. We rely too heavily on certain individuals to score the goals. True, everyteam is built on 1 or 2 superstars. Drogba, Lampard for Chelsea. Rooney,Giggs for ManUtd. But the interesting thing is our tital rivals have got more number of consistent goal scorers.

I told this after our loss to Villa and i am telling this again. Please for heavens sake let us lower our expectations from this team and let them settle down and play without this pressure of winning the title. I am almost sure that this will be a stop start season for us. We will win some back to back games and then we will hit poor form and loose a few.

It is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Bit of common sense…
We are playing Sunderland – yes. Sunderland who were very unlucky not to get at least a draw Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. Yes. Sunderland who drew against Man U at Old Trafford last week and could have very easily won.

We are playing them without our top 2 players and our main strike force. We are playing them without our central midfield. We are playing them after an international break that seen most of our players either come back knackered, injured or carrying a knock. In fact, we are so short of personel we have to give a full debut to an untried kid in a huge position and bring in a Centre Back who hasn’t played for months – but is playing his third game in a week.

But of course, that only means the players and manager aren’t up to it. So we should sack the manager, sell the players and get some money off the owners for Janua….

Oh yeah.

Well, I know what I’m going to do… I’m going round the bookies tomorrow. I’m gonna see which one will give me the best odds and I’m sticking 20 quid on us winning the league.

U better use that quid to book for a heart surgery operation Fat Scouser mate!

I certainly will if I keep reading shit like you are posting. Fuck me, I never thought I’d see the day when a Liverpool “Fan” said….
“Fergusson told at the beginning of the season that the points which we were able to achieve last season is probably the best we can ever. I am beginning to find a lot of sense in his point.”

As I said… hurry up. You can still catch Collymoore if you hurry. He’ll love you two

@Fat Scouser

Its better we stop talking about winning the league now. All those points you mentioned are fine but at the end of the day the fact remains that we have lost 4 times now and its not yet November. So thats the bottomline.

I do agree that a lot of it is down to our poor luck but yo got to agree mate that we look such an ordinary squad and its the lack of goal scorers which is hurting us.

Biased !! what like a supporter is supposed to be
And as for that load of crap ( comment 59 ) Kuyt Voronin Lucas Babel had
great first seasons ?.And what kind of season has Agger had ?
Stoke,Fulham,Spurs,Burnely,Aston Villa..keep winning and losing as a team?
but dont get in the top 4 or CL no matter how much they try.
O! ya coz they dont have a Rafa in there
You now believe the crap Peanut says despite you stating it’s CRAP.
you need to get a grip on reality and think before typing.

@FS

Oh so you think what he said is shite? You better start analyzing why he said that. I am not praising him and neither do i admire him but i am just trying to be upright and accept that we dont have a good enough squad to win the title. Thats all.

I have stayed out of here all week cos I knew exactly what was going to happen. But I came in this morning and tried to point out that both Chelsea and Man U could also very easily come unstuck today.

And, despite all the circumstances being against us in a very difficult fixture, if Megson had had some bollacks and went for it from the off, we mightn’t have lost any ground on the leaders at all.

But as it is we have slipped one point further behind with less than a third of the season played and the leaders having to come to us next week.

But fuck all that… it’s time to pass the razor blades out to them loyal LFC fans again.

Somnath you and Sula, and the likes of you that have attached yourselves to LFC in the last few years are the problem. Not Rafa or the players or the loyal fans.

You are the people who put the pressure on the team and manager. You are the people who give the likes of Collymoore – and therfore Gillette – the ammo they need.

And I’ll have you know, it’s not the people who back the team but those who throw in the towel at every opportunity that are heaping pressure on the side.

Get a bloody grip man.

It takes a Liverpool supporter to stand up and admit that team and the manager have done crap for the last 3games…sorry since the beginning of this season! Fat scouser and Rome77,do u guys ever try to watch other teams play? it doesnt make u less a Liverpool fan!

PS…
No. I don’t think what “he”, The Tramp said is shite.

That’s propoganda and very understandable as he panics to keep ahead.

What you said is shite.

73: You would be better off watching them all the time.

I didnt know that ur such a BAD LOSER fat scouser!

Bad Loser?
Bad fucking Loser?

I haven’t lost anything. And most certainly not my nerve like you two knee jerk idiots.

In fact, if you want to see a bad loser – turn the computer off and stare into the reflection on the blank screen.

Me. I’m going to carry on supporting the team and manager. But I’m off now. I can’t stand anymore of this bollacks.

I wish I was in a better mood….

#63: Dont arse me yet Fat Scouser,we’ve been making progress under Rafa in 6yrs and the title is already lost in October! cant u just stop fucking being biased and read btn the lines? how old are u mate? Istanbul generation???

#73: It takes a Liverpool supporter to stand up and admit that team and the manager have done crap for the last 3games…sorry since the beginning of this season! Fat scouser and Rome77,do u guys ever try to watch other teams play? it doesnt make u less a Liverpool fan!

If it wasn’t coming from so called LFC fans, I’d find it all hilariously funny.

@FS

DO you even realize what you are saying? I think you have gone crazy. Like you said, I have also stopped posting messages in this forum coz of fellas like you who just dont understand others point of view. You are so arrogant that even if the best footbal pundit tells you that Liverpool aint good enough to win the league you will still continue to come up with your stupid arguments.

As a matter of fact you are no one to tell me how loyal i am to Liverpool. I watch every match of my beloved team and i support them always and i will continue to do so. I am honest and i see teams like Barca play football along with LFC and i realize that we have got some distance to reach those heights of winning titles consistently.

I watch football like a football fan and not just a LFC fan. Do u understand what i mean?

#78: Like I said…. you and people like you are the problem.

Thank god you weren’t about in Shankly’s trophyless years or we would still be wallowing round the 2nd division…

Or the championship as you Jonny Comelately’s call it.

somnath07in…Tell those kneejerkers what it means to have true love of the game..if ur a true lover of this game,u can watch the likes of Barca,Arsenal,Chelsea and o’ya and Man united and make a contrast with ur team! what did u say was ur favorite sport Fat scouser? Netball???

Yes Sula we could have played better the last 3 games and i might have said
so if it wasn’t so bleeding obvious.And what makes someone less of a Liverpool
fan is posting such nonsense comments and not getting behind your team
especially when they need it.
So FS is Istanbull generation ? you have totally lost it.

To think I have spent years and years defending the likes of you 2 to other Scousers on The Kop.

You should both hang your heads in shame.

@FS

You keep living in the Shankly era mate. Thats the problem. If this is how things continue to go..mark my words the likes of ManCity and Tottenham will overtake us in the league standings.

Please make no mistake about the fact that i am as much a die hard LFC fan like you. I dont doubt your loyalty to the club and i would request you not to do the same.

All i have said that we aint good enough to win the title. We aint good enough to win the EPL which is the best league in the world.

Oh and one thing more. Talking about our glorious past…the best teams we had i believe had lot of goals from all round the park. My point is simple enough. This team do not have enough goal scorers and thats why we struggle so much without Gerrard and Torres.

Tara Rome mate. I’m leaving it to them. And sadly this is why, there is more and more of them every season. Imagine when we do win the league.

I can sadly understand why some of my old mates would rather see the club get relegated than continue on like this and attract more and more of these “Fans”, to the “Beloved Club.”

Oh dear. What a state of affairs

there u go again Fat scouser, ur thinking half my daughter’s age! LFC isnt being a scouser! shame upon u..you didnt follow LFC’s tour in The far east,did u? are all those folks that turned out to watch their heroes scousers? dont make me say what i think of you now FS!!!

@Sula

They wont understand anything coz they believe that along with the american owners we are making things difficult for LFC!!! Lol ! What crazy comments.

They believe that we are not supporting LFC when they need it the most. You know what? I was watching the game today without any expectation and when the final whistle blew i was a touch dissapointed but not shocked or devastated coz i knew that the mentality going into this game would be to avoid a defeat and not to win it. We have Voronin,Ngog as our second strikers and yet they didnt play started. When will they start a game?

We played with Glenn,Aurelio,Agger,Carra,Skrtel ! Can anyone explain the logic behind that? I would have been gald that in such a situation Rafa would have taken a bit more risk and fielded a more attack minded line up. We didnt go to Sunderland to boss the game. We gave them too much respect and that i believe is because of the defensive minded attitude we adopted.

i feel u somnath07in mate..and it doesnt make it less worse when even the manager doesnt change his team till the 70th minute,he had conceded defeat by the 4th minute..it beats my logic either when u play away and field 5 defenders and pack the midfield leaving ur 2 strikers on the bench! Mighty sunderland deserved to win albeit the balloon goal! and this makes me less a liverpool fan,so u think Fat scouser and Rome77

I’m not going to dignify any of that rather disgraceful and personally insulting shit by answering any of it.

What I am going to do is…
Go round the bookmakers tomorrow, see who will give me the best odds on LFC winning the league and put a 20 on it.

I reckon I’ll get at least 16 to 1 now. So that will make May and everything that comes before it even more interesting.

Next I’ll watch LFC play Lyon on the telly because I can’t be there for that one. But I’ll be looking forward to going to Hungary to watch the next CL game – regardless of the result against Lyon as I’ve already booked my flight hotel and got my ticket sorted.

That should be a great trip full of proper supporters – who don’t need to say things like “My Beloved Team,” to make people believe they are proper.

Then I’ll travel up to Liverpool on Saturday, enjoy a night out there with proper LFC fans, some who will have travelled from all over the world. Then I’ll meet my friend Knight at Anfield on Sunday morning, show him around, introduce him to a few people and go for a drink with him before going into the ground and watching the match together. In fact, it will be an absolute pleasure to make that possible for another proper LFC fan.

Shame I’ll have to ignore plenty of the “Beloved Team,” people. But this is how it is nowadays and even though I’m not one of them, I can see why there is plenty of people who are coming to resent them following the team.

Said i wouldn`t come in here but feck it.

I didn`t see the game because i was playing myself.I went between the sticks for my local team as a favour for a buddy who was in a bit of a hole,his keeper went Awol so o got the sos call.No biggie.Went out,played,we were two up after 85 mins then i get stung by two late O.G`s so that was a bit of a bolix.But what can you do.Win some lose some.

Came off the pitch to hear the reds had went down with a dismal performance and a goal via a balloon!

I heard Man Citea have offered 40 million for the balloon!

Got that as a text around an hour later and also got a text to the lyrics of 99 red balloons.

To be quite honest all i could do is laugh.

Listen lads,especially the two that feel each other.

Nobodys saying that we played well today or that we`ve been playing well all along.We all know we`ve played shite but i hate the way guys are throwing in the towel already.Again i know we`ve given ourselves a mountain to climb but there is a lot of football to be played yet and points WILL be dropped everywhere.

After the chavs beat us they were once again invinsible but after the villa turned them over its oops..erm..eh..ya..no..emm..i think..ya ..ok not so invinsable.

The mancs will drop points,Arse will,city will,the chavs will god bloody knows we will drop more but this throwing in the towel,sack rafa linch the players isn`t what supporters do.

Supporters,Support end of.To the end.And if we fail.We get up again.And if we fail again.We get up again and again and again until they will have to bring a team from mars to beat us down!

We play the mancs next week.Sula and samantha should we throw in the towel now before we play them?Are you going to watch the game next sunday?If yes then why?

Get a grip the two of ye will ye and show a bit of respect to a man who has went through a hell of a lot more than most of us put together ever will with the reds.

I first went to Anfield as a 15 year old in 1994.

We were proper shite then but do you know what?I`d have them days back tomorrow than to have the hyped up,money mad sky sports generation,knee-jerk shite we have to deal with today not to mention the two pricks that make a pathetic attempt to run our club.

Ahhhhh!

@ somnath and sula.

Why dont you fucking go and play FIFA and Football Manager. That game is more realistic and logical than your comments, enough said.

Ohh while you are at it, go and support Barca or whatever other team you want. Id continue to abuse you but I respect this blog, Gerry and the boys too much.

Ohh FS, dont try and justify anything to those two clowns, they already had their opinions made up well before the result.

BTW, why do we have voronin as our second striker, cause we dont have money SULA you twat.

Bit of a bust up at the function where i was during the game. One “SUPPORTER” came up to me and another die hard red (bleeds liverpool) and goes “OHh we are 1-0 down already in the 5th minute, we are shite, we have lost the title”

My mate nearly took his head off.
Ps. Before the game we have had the most shots on target, i think the soccer balls used are evil.

Well i had to go out earlier during the “debate” to collect my ticket for the Lyon
game and i see it continued a bit.
Sula ( comment 43 ) made me think that your a bit of a nob to be honest .
I mean just pretend your not a Liverpool fan and you want to come on here for
a wind up would you post something like this.
3 consecutive Defeats for LFC and still another bad day at the office…hhahahahahahhahahahha hahahahahahahhaha hahahahahahahahahhahhah……..
and then start slagging Rafa with you’re insight into Rafas team selection and
mentality after the balloon incident.And moaning because it’s been 20 years
blah blah Its not like LFC are contracted to please your thirst for glory.
And as for the not Scouse brigade they do exist but FS isn’t one of them and
i’m not Scouse. But i see their point when people with limited knowledge of the
situation at the club go talking crap on phone in’s and internet forums after a
poor result.

Somath ( comment 78 ) You are so arrogant that even if the best footbal pundit tells you that Liverpool aint good enough to win the league you will still continue
to come up with your stupid arguments.
There’s a reason why their pundits and not managers and maybe its because of
their stupid arguments.They know as much as we do and in most cases less.
You say its arrogant to question these pundits so it must be damn well arrogant
to question one of the best managers in the world and thats a FACT.
So if you want to listen to them go ahead but dont expect to learn anything
except how to talk sh*te.

Well, I’m off to bed. I only came into clear one thing up… My little tirade against the Chuckle brothers isn’t meant for any one in here but them 2.

I know I don’t need to defend anything I’ve said to the people that really know me in here. And what I’m going to say isn’t even aimed at The 2 Stooges, but I do need to say it…
Sadly these type of people have been attaching themselves to LFC in ever bigger numbers every season. I dread to think how bad it will get when we do finally win the league.

It’s a shame. They are tainting the long tradition at Anfield of out of town/country supporters. They are destroying Liverpool fans reputation as “The Most Knowledgable Fans In The Game.” They are also destroying our reputatian as the most loyal fans in the game. They are causing animosity at the ground itself amongst supporters. And even worse, the shit they spout is causing unrest on a wider basis – as they are the people who call Radio shows and present themselves as if they speak for all LFC fans.

LFC fans do indeed have lots to be concerened about at the moment. We all know the real problems, in the boardroom and on the pitch, so I won’t dwell on them. I’ll keep to the point…
Of course 2 idiots coming in here to vent because their “Beloved Team” got beat is of no consequence whatsoever. But if you look at it like it’s a little example of the bigger picture you can see the trouble it is causing.

Many Scousers – especially the young ones who don’t know that there’s been good loyal support for LFC all over the world since the 1960′s – are becoming very anti Out Of Town/Out of Country support.

I know it’s not right. I don’t need telling about LFC needing world wide support to compete. I don’t need telling about people’s support or feelings no matter where they are from. And I don’t need telling that some Scousers would like Rafa sacking.

I’m just telling it like it is. And the truth is… these sort of “Fans” (Wherever they are from Liverpool included) are becoming a real problem and only aiding the anti LFC/Rafa media witch hunt. And yes. There is, and always has been, an anti-LFC agenda in the British media.

They are also giving credence to the lies spouted by Gillette and Hicks – which is the most damaging thing about this type of “Support.”

Pick up any English newspaper. Turn on Sly or Talk Shite. You can see and hear the type of damage this type of “Support” is causing.

I hate to say this because after all it’s only football. But they are like 5th columnists, rotting the effort from the inside out. And that type of treachery can only cause damage.

That’s not to say, the team or the manager are above critiscism. Of course their not. I’ve just spent an hour or so on the phone with old friends and most of it was spent moaning about how things are going this season.

That’s what all footy fans do when things aren’t going their way.

I’ve done it in the past. I’ve done it today. I’ll do it in the future. We all will. And it’s perfectly acceptable.

What’s not right is what I’ve seen in here today. But, like I said, 2 idiots in here are of no consequence. Sadly though, we’ve got thousands of these types of idiots attached to us. And you know the old saying – Empty cans make the most noise – is true. And the noisy drivel that these Empty Cans spout is becoming nearly as big a problem as the Empty Cans that own us.

If you think that’s over the top, read Gillette’s latest comments. I swear the man actually believes the Talk Shite fuelled propoganda that he comes out with.

Oh well, night night.

PS, this from Timmy puts it in a nutshell…

“I first went to Anfield as a 15 year old in 1994.

We were proper shite then but do you know what?I`d have them days back tomorrow than to have the hyped up,money mad sky sports generation,knee-jerk shite we have to deal with today not to mention the two pricks that make a pathetic attempt to run our club.”

Timmy mate, some of my greatest memories of supporting LFC come from Shankly’s trophyless years.

You would have loved it back then. As you Irish lads would say, The craic was fierce.

I’ll see you at a game sometime, drink a few pints with you and tell you some mad tales.

Dammit – that was not a good result for us…we are miles off the pace at the moment…still – not being a whining quitter who runs off crying as soon as the going gets tough (theres a reason a country with a population of under 4 million continously dominates in do many sports – it because when the tough gets going Kiwi’s stand up – the same and more can be said of the Aussies – those bastards never know when they are beaten) I aint giving up hope until its a mathmatical impossibility…unlike some of the fags who claim to be Liverpool Supporters…fuck me what a bunch of gutless negative whining homos…why do you fucking arseholes even bother…you disgust me…learn the fucking meaning of the word support or fuck off and whine at Chelsea…youre kind is not wanted…I’m with FS…I’d rather stand shoulder to shoulder backs against the wall with people I can count on than be surrounded by a bunch of pansies who throw in the towel at the first sign of trouble…they are the true losers in life…

Kiwi Mark Both barrels i see. One of the things i like about you’re lot down
under is your straight talking. I always thought if i emigrate one day it’ll be
NZ and knowing theres only 4 million just makes me want it more.
YNWA

Well, Im looking at the positives, Spearing played well and looked driven, Johnson looked good, the general play looked safe. Overall I thought we played well.
.
Pro on the day.
Agger back and looking good.
Johnson in attack.
Spearing’s control and effort.
Jamie looking better.
Mash went he got on.
Ninja Skrtl.
Beachball getting on the score sheet.
.
The cons.
Voronin having more impression than Bable.
Not scoring (thats about it really).
Ngog having more impression than Bable.
.
Although I try to support Bable the more game time he gets the less he seems to do. I just think we need to cut our losses with him.
.
And one last issue the young lad with the beachball, lets give this kid the support this club is famous for. That ball was being bounce all over the stand before it ended on the ground. He’s 12 or something and probably feels about as bad as could ever be. Some sites are posting his face (fucking disgrace).

Been thinking about this beach ball surely if something thrown on the pitch
interferes with play the goal shouldn’t stand. If the opposite was to happen
and it stopped a ball on the line the goal would be awarded.
Or what would have happened if Whiskey breath had got the Beachball
instead of another flukey OG ( 3 pts in 2 games through luck ) see were that
gets them at the end of the season.
I remember someone in here saying that luck has nothing to do with winning
the Prem,i laughed then and i laughed today.
YNWA

PS
Question Who was the last team to win the League after losing 4 out of their first 9 games?

Well said FS & Kiwi Mark.
I started watching LIVERPOOL back in the old second division.Climbing out of the Boys Pen into the Kop.
I’ll stand with ya FS.
I am glad to see Agger back and I am hoping that when we get Aquaman fit he will give us a spark
down that left side of midfield.
A win against the Scum and we are back in It..
YNWA.

I agree lads, it was great to see Agger back. I caught the Danish game on Thursday too… he had 4 pop shots from all of 30 yards, one of which the keeper just managed to get his hands to and the others didn’tmiss by much.

Too bad the back 3 formation meant he couldn’t get forward for us, but all 3 played very well today. Carra, Skrtel and Agger were terrific, with Carra getting my nod for MoM.
(after the beach ball of course… cracking joke about Citeh trying to sign it for 30 mill!)

You’d hate to be the kid who blew it up and threw it onto the ground, I think he was a red supporter.

@FS

I would really appreciate if you put your money with the hope that LFC wins the title. I would love to see you loose some and hopefully after that you will stop your nonsense and insulting others. You have got no respect for others whatsoever,you love to quote others comment (“My Beloved Team”), you have got such a pathetic brain that you insult something which i stated with a lot of seriousness. You think you are the only one in this world who is a LFC supporter.

@TimmyTorres

I have not thrown in the towel. If you can care to stretch your mind a little bit it was me who right after the Villa game came in here and stated that lets stop expecting us to win it this time coz to be honest we look short in quality and depth. I mentioned that it will be kinda disjointed season for us. I mentioned the same yesterday.

My expectations are quite simple: Finish in the top 4 this season. We will loose more matches but we will win some of the drawn games from last season. That makes me believe that we will do well to finish 4th.

No need to give those lectures on what supporters should do. I am up for the Lyon game and i am surely up for the ManUtd game. The problem is that you guys feel you are the real supporters just because you have been given the birth right to live near to LFC compared to us.

@AKKA

I didnt know you are such a pathetic shite along with the rest of the egoistic army here. You can fuck off and better eat something which will help you to give some meaning to the BRAIN you have inside your head.

I have never said that i support BARCA. I love the way they play and i am entitles to view my opinion here. If you read all my comments, I have mentioned that I am not just a LFC supporter..i love the game too and thats why i have got the guts to admit that Barca are beautiful. You dont need to tell me whom should i support.

If we are clowns and you are no better than us. Do u get that?

@Rome77

Do you mean to say all pundits are nonsense? Do you mean to say nobody makes sense when they are critical of our team? No i do not agree.

I fully support all you guys when you say that the british media is biased towards Fergusson and i myself have seen that. But to say that all other pundits are stupid is a stupidity by itself.

@FS

“Sadly these type of people have been attaching themselves to LFC in ever bigger numbers every season. I dread to think how bad it will get when we do finally win the league.”

I dont know who has given you the right to say all this but i can onething… As long as people like you are here who just wants to dominate others with your old fashioned views this forum will never get fresh views and healthy debates.

Start accepting that there are football teams in EPL and in europe who are actually better than us. That does not make us loosers. I still continue to support my BELOVED CLUB (Hope you wont quote this one again in your future comical posts) and i will be delighted to see us beat the Mancs next weekend.

As for season expectation is concerned: We will do well to finsh in the top 4 and i will be happy with that.

Somnath #103.

I wasnt going to respond, but i will.

Basically, FUCK OFF! (apologise to Gerry and the other readers)

If i am pathetic for supporting my club and not slagging off every single aspect of it, then you are a pure wanker.

Unlike for you and your friend Sula, Liverpool began well before the EPL started, and probably more appropriate for you, it began before the final in Istanbul.

Well I have been fully justified in staying out of here. I thought the razor blade brigade would be in full crowing voice calling for heads and throwing in the towel. The insults were a given and I am surprised it’s only been two so far.

Back to reality and decent analysis of the game, fuck it was horrible and that was from start to finish. Did I expect anything less? Not really I thought this was going to be a very difficult day at the office, even with a full squad and no international break. We could have also done without the freak goal, but it seems that we are living Murphy’s law to the full at the moment. Has to be down to all the Irish support we have.

Torres and Gerrard injured in meaningless games, Kuyt carrying a knock and with Babel traveling half way around the world for a friendly. Masch, Lucas and Insua doing the same, although there participation is understandable and acceptable, in the context of international football and we wonder why we struggled against Sunderland. I think the question should have been is there anybody who thought we wouldn’t?

Masch obviously cried off at the last minute and that is why Spearing played and I remember somebody slating Rafa for not starting and playing him more often. Well the reason is obvious, despite the talent, desire and commitment he is not ready and it showed. It also showed that Aurelleo has been out for a long time because he was also a yard off the pace.

Changing the formation did not work, but that is with the benefit of hindsight, however it did not fail, only to a freak goal. Yes they could have scored more but that was because we where chasing. All in all we had the worst set of circumstances possible going into a game and it showed in our performance.

Could Rafa have done something different, could he have changed it earlier? You have to say yes to both possibilities. Would it have changed the outcome? Well that would be pure speculation.

For all the doomsayers and the towel throwers and the happy clappy sackers, this is the same team that finished second (bare Alonso) with a record point’s haul that could have won the Prem last year. Yes we did not add quite as much depth to the squad that we would have liked to have added during the Summer. Whose fault is that, Rafa’s or the cunts that call themselves are owners. Our performances will be affected by injury more than our main rivals because we do not have 30 mill experienced ready replacements. We have to rely on talented youngsters and free transfers. Whose fault is that Rafa’s or the cunts that own us?

We have clearly not hit the ground running this season. Is it time to panic, quit, throw in the towel, call for Rafa’s head, get on the players backs? Or is it time to support and lift the team? We, in the past, have been notoriously slow starters and yes the season we are elevating our bad starts to a whole new level and art form. Yet we are only seven points behind despite loosing 4 games. ManU, Cheslea and other would be challengers are also more vulnerable to the Villa’s, Sunderlands, Wigans and Burnly’s of this world, so it is far from over.

We need to click and find some type of form soon that is very obvious, our wiggle room is getting smaller and smaller. Is it too late? Not by a long shot, that fat lady has not even begun to warm up her voice, despite FS being in full voice and I, surprise, surprise agree with his sentiments, the bet is a good one. We will click at some point and we will go on a run were we destroy all before us as we did last year with the same team. I believe it is not too late. Keep the Faith. It is more vital now than ever that we lift the team.

Morning lads. I wasn’t going to say anything more about the Chuckle Brothers, but, oh well…

I remember this lad Somnath coming in here at the beginning of the season. Everyone, including me, had a little go at him, but stopped when we realised he was about as old as the kid that threw the beach ball onto the pitch.

All hands then spent lots of time talking to the lad and explaining things to him. I knew I was wasting my time and cyberspace, but I done the same thing.

Well I’ve got no time for that anymore. I’m not pissed off at the personal insults. I find them rather funny. But like I said in my last post – the damage these people are causing is about as funny – and as effective – as cancer.

It’s rotting the clubs support from the inside out and it’s becoming as big a problem as the other 2 Chuckle Brothers from America.

No doubt I’ll be bollacked for attacking Americans now. But the people in here who know me know that I’m talking about all these idiots – wherever they are from, Liverpool included – not just our out of town/country support. Or they should do, as I’ve made my feelings known about this for a long time.

I’ve just got up this morning, turned on Talk Shite and guess what the subject is… Yep. Should Rafa be sacked.

Well even the lads in here who have their doubts about Rafa know quite well it’s new owners we need not a new manager.

But this sort of “Support”, as I said before, just keeps fuelling this media witch hunt of LFC, the club, the team, the players and the management.

Sadly, yesterday I was forced into listening to Stan Collymoore’s live commentary on the match for Talk Shite. That dirty dogging, wife beating, waster of talent absolutely hates Rafa and has a huge vendetta against him and the club.

Did anybody see Steve Bruce charge at Rafa and really try to get at him? He looked like he would have danced on him if he could have got at him. Rafa had the cheek to ask the ref to keep an eye on the time when Kenwynne Jones went down, so Bruce charged, snorting like a mad bull and whipping the Sunderland crowd up into a mad frenzy aimed at Rafa.

Can you imagine if he’d done that to The Tramp? There would have been blue murder in the press. What happened when he done it to Rafa?

Well Stan Collymoore laughed with schoolboy glee and made some stupid comments about Rafa being a bottler because he told Bruce to “Calm Down, Calm Down,” in Spanish. He honestly really relished it. And what did all the other great “Pundits,” make of it? Well, as far as I can see nothing… as I haven’t even heard anyone else mention it.

Now that might seem like a nothing thing to bring up, but it shows the depth of anti-Rafa feeling in this country. And this is not about me defending the boss. A proper discussion on should he go is perfectly acceptable, but the fact is the British media have always tried to destabilise LFC and these fans we are attracting in ever increasing numbers are just helping to topple their “Beloved Club.”

Sadly, they are empty cans and can’t see the sort of damage they are causing. And as you can see from the comments in here they think they have every right to do so.

Oh well, enough of my time spent on them tits.

The fact is, we are 7 points off the top and the leaders have to visit us next weekend. The game has now become a must win situation – even though a draw or defeat still doesn’t mean we are out of it.

But if we win that game we will then be 4 points off the top and hopefully in here we can get back to some proper debate about LFC and footy in general.

Keith sadly, you are wasting your time. I honestly do fear that these wankers will get their way…
1: Rafa will eventually think why bother when even the support is turning on me.
2: The yanks will use wankers like these to justify sacking the man.

We will then sink into mid table mediocrity as any manager we will be able to attract won’t be up to the job.

Why the fuck these wankers can’t see that is beyond me but sadly we are saddled with them and like I said… as you can see from the comments in here, they think their opinions actually count.

And sadly the more they air them, they might just be proven right.

PS… talking about a bet. Brazil and Spain are both about 5 to 1 to win the World Cup. If you put a few bob on each of them, you will be getting 2.5 to 1 on a very good bet indeed.

Haven’t read all the posts but I got the sentiment pretty quickly. Well what can you say about our loyal fans? Not a lot to be honest.

Question for you loyal fans?

How would you have put this team together when nearly the entire squad did not return until Thursday and the midfield on Friday evening. Quick kickabout @ midnight after giving them time to unpack their bags and have some grub? Just think about it. Oh, I nearly forgot, our best two players were injured as well!

Get real. This would have been a dificult match under ordinary circumstances. Yes we were crap but Sunderland contributed to that and we were beaten by a balloon – not the Bruce variety.

One other thing, I seem to remember the glory teams in the 80′s losing matches, as well as playing complete rubbish. I shit you not.

FS in post 107 you did not mention in which division we would achieve mid-table mediocrity.

Fat scouser! i thought u did grow up a liitle over nite mate…but sadly u didnt…i know the yanks are partly responsible for liverpool’s faltering campaign but did they pick the team at Sunderland,Aston Villa,Chelsea or fiorentina? cummon mate,the manager is responsible for all this,he is been talking to these lads day in day out for 5yrs,heavens knows what he tells them to do in training..he is so disgustingly stubborn sometimes and cautious…poor game winning mentality…every time he is trying this,trying that…look at the likes of stoke,Burnely,fulham,wigan…all these teams have average players but they try to play fantastic football…LFC was outplayed at Leeds albeit the win..and i guess u know which league leeds is playing in…look at stoke,the goals never reflected the true dimension of the game! i have respect for Rafa,but his has come up with decisions that have costed us most of the times,just because he wants to fullfill his ego,he wants to stand out just like he did at Valencia,but this is a different league,with a different tempo…its a shame that he has learnt nothing in the last 5yrs about the basics of the EPL….neither do i have the time or the inclination to think abt all the names u have come up with to these devoted red fans who come up with suggestions for the good of the club..what makes u think ur a more red than others? infact its people like that have made Rafa what he is today,praising him when he comes up with something Stupid…3 consecutive defeats with out a single goal and u call that kneejerking? You make me sick FS…!

I’m really really glad I make you sick.

I only wish I made you sick enough to fuck off out of this forum and away from LFC.

Thank God, I’m not in a fight with only you for back up.

Think i’ll not bother coming back here. Too annoying.

The spelling is shocking!

Cheeribye.

#113: Sadly Micheal this is what is happening at Anfield too.

I know lads who gave up season tickets they’d had for many years because they can’t put up with this sort of shit anymore.

Lurgan mate, @110…
What they fail to realise is that Rafa has turned a team that could barely qualify for Europe into automatic CL quarter finalists.

Obviously he also won it and took us to another final. But the fact is, we are now regarded as a team that will finish in the top four in England and at least the quarter finals of the European Cup… that’s the CL to you after Istanbull lot.

He has done this despite all he faces from both inside and outside the club. But sadly, these wankers could get their way and drive him out. Rot always sets in from the inside.

So, maybe some old Kopites are right. It would be worth sinking into the championship for a season or two just to purge the club of the likes of this “Support.”

PS… on the funny side, them beach balls with the LFC badge on have sold out at the club shop.

This is not a joke. There’s millions of them flying about, but that is true. Seems the plan is to throw all of them on the pitch before the match with Lyon.

Thank fuck. There’s still some proper LFC fans about who stand together and take the piss out of everyone who stands against us.

FS mate, there is no point in trying to educate Sula and Somnath.

If they cant see that Rafa gets peanuts, in terms of funds and resources, and still manages us to et the team to perform above their weight is beyond me.

Ill be honest, without Rafa we have a mid-high end team, maybe not even top 4. Look at the other teams in the past 3 years outspending us.

Ohh Somnath, since you love “football” in general, here is one for you. Would United have won the title with the same spending as us?

To be honest, i expect united to faulter once they pick up injuries. If rooney is out they will struggle. Count Dracula is poor for 30mil, Valencia has done fuck all too.

Speaking of Valencia, he cost united 16mil pounds. He is pourage. Yet when Rafa has to go to Aldi to buy players and spends 5mil, and the player is poor, he gets slated (even by some in here).

On a final word, stop playing that Football manager malarkey and fucking wake up!

Don’t get it wrong Akka mate… I’m not trying to educate them. I want nothing to do with them. I honestly can’t bear these type of people – and that goes in any walk of life not just football.

I also can’t stand these type of people wherever they are from – Liverpool included.

Sadly these type of people haven’t got the sense to understand the most basic of language or they twist it to suit their agenda.

I have nothing against people following Liverpool wherever they are from. I think that’s been proved many times over the years I have spent conversing with people in this forum.

I have nothing against people having a go at the team or the manager. That’s also been proved by the debates in here over the years.

What I can’t stand is traitors, quitters and back stabbers.

The fact is, despite everything that was against us yesterday, we were only beaten by a fluke goal that shouldn’t have even stood.

Thankfully we have a manager and team that didn’t hide or whinge. They accepted that they were beaten by a better team on the day and have moved on to trying to put it right.

But the rules of the game state, that if an outside agent interferes with play the game should be stopped while it is removed from the pitch and the game should be restarted with a drop ball.

That’s the rule. Do you think it would have been applied – as it should – if that happened to Man U?

Maybe not. But then that’s not my point. My point is, when things are against you as they are now, it is time to rally round and support not back stab.

And as I said earlier, if you take this blog/forum as a small example of things on a bigger scale, you get a view of the larger picture….
These sort of people are in the minority, but they make the most noise and therefore aren’t just harmless idiots. They really could cause some serious damage if they aren’t drowned out by proper fans and supporters.

Oh well, I’m off the bookies and I’m going to take my lovely little loyal Jack Russell with me.
He’s 12 now, getting a bit of arthritis and his eye sight isn’t all it used to be.

But despite that and standing all of 2 foot tall, there isn’t another living soul I’d rather have with me – especially in a fight. But fuck the fighting. You’ve got to laugh…
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1145/2fgggx1.gif

@Akka

I could not stop laughing reading your reactions. We will see who ****s off. Time will tell.

Sula is not my friend but he is someone who has gone frustrated by our average performances and then reading nonsensical comments by some self proclaimed learned LFC fans here in this forum.

@KiethSA

I am not one of those ‘Razor Blade brigade’ as identified by you. Not a single post of mine calls for Rafa’s head. Neither i blame the players. All i said is we are not good enough to win the league. I will be glad if we finish 4th this season. If you read my posts, i have mentioned that last years tally is probably the best we can achieve. All i am saying that we are not good enough to win the league over the course of a full season and that does not make me frustrated or make switch my loyalty to any other team.I hope you can understand my point.

@FS

Glad that you remember a thing or two about me. Let me make myself clear here. I repeat it again. I am not one of those who call for Rafa’s head whenever we loose because i am not learned enough to suggest even a replacement who can win us the league. My point of difference with you is simply on the issue that you are adamant that there can be no better manager than Rafa, everytime we loose coz of the world going against us,this particular team are potentially the premier league champions. I dont agree with you on these points.

I am absolutely in sync with you when you talk of the Amercian Owners, the lack of money, the biased media and Alex fergusson. But if you think that you have got the right to express the only ‘proper’ views on whats going on at LFC then you are mistaken.

@Lurgankop

I would certainly played Voronin upfront. I would have certainly gone fo a more attack minded line up rather than playing 5 defenders. I would have let Carra and Skrtel/Agger do their job of keeping Jones out which anyway they could have done with a 4-4-2 formation.
All i am saying is when we knew that our main goal scorers are out, Chelsea lost all 3 points just before the start..what was the harm in going for a bit more attack minded lineup? What was the harm in trying to take the game to Sunderland? We instead gave them too much respect.Why? Just because they almost won at OT last weekend?

@Akka

Finally i would tell you that if you try to understand what education means it will take you ages given the insane brain you have got. So its better you dont get involved into it.

@FS

“What I can’t stand is traitors, quitters and back stabbers.”

I am none of them. I am quite clear on certain things and i express it clearly.

I honestly dont know why I am responding.

Somnath, we didnt really go too defensive. We played 3 at the back with attacking wingers.

Then again, who gives a fuck that Kuyt and Babel travelled 24hours, Lucas in South America, Agger back to playing, and on top of that all the other players playing in internationals. We should just go all out attack, cause the players arent tired, and they can run all day and just attack attack. Maybe thats how it if when you play FIFA mate. Stick to your video games.

Maybe you dont explicitly state you want Rafas head, but the shite about his formations and how anyone else could do better is enough.

Whilst I’m not going to get into a personal argument with you, i suggest you think twice before accusing people of their ‘lack of education’.

Fat scouser ur a real joke!

Oh dear, oh dear.

The core of argument posed by the two people in discussion here is that:

“he(Rafa) is so disgustingly stubborn sometimes and cautious”

Based on what?? Because he only used one striker?? Because he plays with 2 “holding midfielders (whatever that means)”????

I think I said this about 2 years ago, but it is this kind of overly-simplistic comments that really piss me off (in addition to the fact that these so-called “objective supporters” conveniently forget other blatant facts such as our striking squad became thinner than even Sunderland when we lost torres or lose sight of the whole picture when the mancs and chelski have already lost 2 games as well).

So what, you think a 4-4-2 line-up is more attacking than a 4-5-1??
I bet you think that a 3-5-2 is even more attacking than a 4-4-2. Tell that to Zagaro, and he’ll roll over laughing with fits.

Absolutely pathetic.

One of you said that FS was dreaming in the past.

I think you lads are dreaming in the past. On what basis does our squad even warrant a title? Isn’t it amazing that we were able to even finish second last year when you take into account the squad that the likes of the mancs, chelski, man city and tottenham have? Isn’t there a reason why we were able to continue to be in the top 4 and still have good record in the CL?? Bloody hell, even our small neighbours have a better (or at least established-names) attacking squad than us now and look where they are.

I dunno how you can come up with this “objective” views when you look at our wonderful achievements since Rafa has arrived.
If you say you have the guts to admit when we play badly, then I just wish you had the same kind of guts to show gratitude for what our gaffer has done for this club. You wouldn’t even dream about saying things like he is “disgustingly stubborn”, and I don’t mean to say that rafa is always right.

Every season, the likes of FS, timmy, kenny et al (myself included), have to keep on coming back to actually explain why your attitudes are wrong and misdirected. I dunno why we bother, but FS sums it up perfectly.

We do it cos we know what is in the best interests of our club.
And rafa is certainly not the core of the problem here.

@Hyde
(in addition to the fact that these so-called “objective supporters” conveniently forget other blatant facts such as our striking squad became thinner than even Sunderland…..are u drunk mate..how many liverpool players r established internationals? we have a very nice squad that can win games in the absence of Torres and Gerald…its just the manager choses the wrong team at times and makes lousy decisions too! can u explain why Voronin flourished in Germany or why Babel plays better for the Dutch team?

On a lighter note:

Sula and somnath, you should change ur names to Bonnie and Clyde. Against the world (kopblog), you little battlers

@akka
is that what takes u to sleep mate???

Sula #127. Dont understand mate

Sula #125.
Babel doesnt play better in the dutch team. All he does is put his head down and run, same thing he does for Liverpool.
Voronin played better in Germany. Hang on let me think, EPL is a tougher league than Germany mate.

Also, I dont think you should be asking if Hyde is drunk, nice spelling of Gerrard, or is that Gerald?

I am not going to answer this shit anymore…
There is no point. To learn you have to be open to education.

I have came across lots of these internet warriors in the last few years. And like I have said on numerous occasions now… sadly they are growing by the season and giving ammunition to lazy journalists who trawl the internet looking for fuel for their anti-LFC agenda.

Hyde mate… you are mistaken – there is no core to their argument!

They move the goalpost with each comment and twist everything to suit their ends. But sadly, they are not clever enough to realise the damage they can cause to their “Beloved Club.” Read the comments and you will see what I mean.

As for the personal attacks on me… I actually find them hilarious. Apparently I am a Xenophobic post Istanbull glory hunter that should grow up and not be stuck in the Shankly era!

The mind truly boggles.

The thing is… even answering them only prolongs their nonsensical views and posts. So I for one, am moving on. I have no desire to discuss anything with people like this and I’m really sad to be associated with them because they decided to attach themselves to something that they don’t understand in the slightest.

These are sad, sad times in the history of LFC support.

@ akka
thats why somnath07in suggested that u lack an education. period

Some people just don’t get it..and some just refuse to.

On another note, I read this one a few weeks back. I am so looking forward to my first visit to Anfield one day and I wish I would be amongst true fans.

http://www.liverpoolbanter.co.uk/2009/09/where-have-all-the-true-fans-g.html

Sula #131,

Education?
Because I know the English legue is far superior to that of Germany?

Because Babel in fact does play in a similar fashion to the manner in which he plays for the dutch league. You realise this after you actually watch the dutch play and not watch youtube or 5min highlights on sky. Why do I watch them? Might have something to do with family heritage.

Because I know how to spell Gerrard.

Here is something for your education. By placing period on the end of your sentence, doesnt make you correct.

Somnath we had the squad to finish second last year and by all accounts we could have and should have, if we had the collective experience, won it. This year, in my ever so humble opinion we are stronger and once all our injured players are back and we find the, at the moment, elusive form and level that we know this team can play at, we will go on a run in terms of results. The squad of last year and this year bar two players has been assembled by Rafa on a budget of a mid to low table team. It is good enough to win the league as we proved last year with the very real exception of injuries because we do not have the depth of our main rivals. Man City have spent (net ) over 100 mill this year, Rafa on the other hand has had that to spend (again Net) over 5 years. That put things in to perspective of what he has accomplished in his time at Liverpool. An automatic CL place, two finals with one win, FA Cup, Super Cup and a very credible challenge for the Prem last year puts it all into context while overhauling a squad he inherited that has been the weakest in my living memory (40 odd years plus)

Did you think when we did the double over ManU and Chelsea last year that we could finish no better than 4th? Or when we spanked Real and so many other teams? Yes we are not playing Champaign football at the moment and we are down on confidence. It does not help that Gerrard has not hit the ground running this year and that he and Torres (our one saving grace for now) are out injured. We are not Maureen Chelsea’s that could go out and spend 300 mill assembling a team with class and depth. Saying that, did Chelsea overwhelm us, outplay us? Yes they won but we did not take our chances. We have played some decent football at times and some very ordinary football the rest of the time. The old saying form is temporary and class is permanent springs to mind. We will turn it around hopefully sooner rather than later. Have a little faith in what Rafa has accomplished under very trying circumstances and with a fraction of the resources a lot of the top teams have had. It a long way to go and we are still in with a very good shout if we can find the form we finished with last year.

Sula you are a twat and a childish one at that. Instead on throwing insults because people disagree with you try and form decent opinions instead of slating and criticising. Very easy to destroy, especially from an armchair and in hindsight. By not taking in the circumstances and extraneous conditions that have severely affected and undermined us so far in this campaign you undermine everything. Your spiteful self indulgence is unwarranted; if you have nothing constructive (yes criticism can be constructive) rather not say it. Nobody who is a red supporter is happy at the moment and your little childish tirades only adds to it. Grow up.

Somath read (comment 92) again and this time think before you type .
you said it was arrogant to think the pundits are wrong and argue against them
By your same “logic” then you must be arrogant to think Rafa is wrong and as
Rafa is far more qualified than any pundit,they are arrogant aswell. Ignorant is
the word i’d chose but we’ll go with your arrogant.
Sula Have you finished throwing up ? What i suspected yesterday about you
has been confirmed you are a NOB
Some interesting stats for the game yesterday have a read.
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3149816,00.html
Apparently we actually played better than Sunderland and if you take the
beachball goal out of the equation ( which by the rules of the game should
not have stood ) then your left looking a bit stupid Somath / Sula .
Could we have played better with the makeshift team ? probably
Could you have been a better supporter before typing all that crap ? probably
Any takers for my question at ( comment 99)

Well said Keith.

Sula lose the personal insults now or as we say in cork….be like the wind and Breeze…or make like a tree and..leaf …

Samantha #103 how come Fatty gets two reply`s and only get one.I`m all sad now.

Fatty #93 would love to mate sooner the better!

Lads there is no point arguing with the two that feel each other(#87) they`re just too ignorant to take another point different to theirs.

Everyody in here disagrees at some point but they respect each other because their posts are made with some reason or basis.This name calling is ridiculous we`re all grown men although some act like schoolgirls.

Glad to see the reds supporters are planning to throw a load of beach balls onto the pitch on wednesday.Great idea and would be the ideal thing to break the ice/anxciosness(spell-check where`s burgerman) that may be in the crowd.

FS I echo your sentiments but the only thing I don’t agree with you is that prats like Sula and Somnatha do damage to our beloved Liverpool. With their reasoning how can anyone take them seriously! I’m convinced they are not Liverpool supporters. They just check in these forums since they have nothing else to do bar upsetting some real supporters.
And for all you Rafa bashers, who would you replace him with if the great man decides to walk, or is forced out?!?
Jurgen Klinsmann!!!!??? Any decent manager would never take on the job if the two American parasites are still at the helm.
For all of you who call yourselves Liverpool fans, I have no doubt that if Rafa leaves the only way is DOWN for our beloved club.
So next Tuesday all of you who will be at Anfield, support the team and RAFA ferociously and who that you really are the 12th man.

Rome, I don’t think it’s ever happened mate. But I could be wrong and I know there’s been plenty of times in the past when teams have been miles ahead, or lagging way behind even late on in the season, and a string of results has seen it lost or won by the outsider of the pack.

As for all this other shit. I think this sort of thing says more about the person than anything else.

Picking a football team is one of life’s few long commitment things. Wives, kids, family, friends, they all come and go but the team you pick as a kid stays with you.

It’s probably wrong, and far too many of us put too much time and emotion into something that really shouldn’t that much. Stupid, but that’s what we do.

It’s sort of like family. They can annoy the shit out of you. They can really piss you off at times and you feel like dancing on them. But when it comes down to it, especially when they are in trouble, you do what families (well, the good ones) do…
You rally round. Circle the wagons, and face the outside world together.

Stupid. Definetely. Sentimental shite. Undoubtedly. But it’s what we do.

That doesn’t mean you don’t moan and fight. But you don’t do it in public. You sit down, air the differences, moan about it and thrash it out. But you then go back to supporting each other and the outside world doesn’t even know you have been at it.

Sadly though, all families have their black sheep. And some of them become so bad that all you can do is turn your back on them and have no more of their shite.

Over the years, I’ve got to know lads from all over the world who picked teams like Notts Forest, Leeds, Villa, Everton and even teams like QPR back in the 80′s when they was good, and they still support them through thick and thin. They moan about what has happened to their clubs over the years, but at the end of the day, they stand by them.

I take my hat off to lads like that. But I honestly can’t stand these back stabbing Johnny Comelately’s of today. Their just another product/sign of the treacherous me-me-me times we live in. And I have no time for them.

So onto other things for me…
I just got told their was a full training session at Melwood today. Gerrard and Torres weren’t there. But everyone else – including Aqualani and Kyriagos – was there, and apparently being put through a very strenous work out.

Thank Fuck we have people who want to put this right rather than sit on their arses and moan.

Missed your post Ron, but honestly mate this sort of cack does damage the club and it’s reputation. The infighting and moaning also damages relationships between fans.

That doesn’t mean the club, the players or the management is above criticism. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. But sadly, these sort of people – even though they are in the minority – are the sort that make the most noise and make out that they speak for all of us.

Lazy journalists then use it as fact in the witch hunt. And proper supporters turn on each other. But that’s that. I’m going to do my best to ignore it all now. And laugh my bollacks off next Sunday when we beat the Mancs and the same people are raving about how much they love this club and how they are going to win the league.

I’ve seen Jellyfish with more backbone.

I can’t say anything other than I’m absolutely gutted about the result yesterday, poor performance we got what we deserved. However it’s done, the most important thing now is that we avoid defeat against Lyon, because we really need to get some form of confidence going into the Man United match. For obvious reasons we’ll have a massive psychological edge going into that game, and I really hope it isn’t offset by self doubt should we lose on wednesday. I don’t think the Scum’s team is all that. Arsenal should have beaten them at old trafford with a second string midfield and they haven’t really had any other hard games.

With regards to whether I think we can win the title should we win I’m still not too sure though. I’ve had doubts about our capability to win the league going into the season having lost Alonso. In all honesty my objective opinion was that I didn’t think we’d get as many points as last year and that Chelsea have a better team and squad. From what I’ve seen this season nothings convinced me to change my apprehensions. I don’t think it will be impossible to win the league this year but to be honest I can understand those who think it will be and think some people have been extremely unfiar on Somnath. Sula’s been vindictive, he deserves stick, but I think the other guy was stating his opinion. I know theres nothing worse than negative fans go on boards with a vendetta, picking holes that arent there so they can spleen useless drivel over and over again.

However the guys just stated his opinion. Based on an analysis of our squad, our rivals squads and how we’ve looked so far this season he thinks Chelsea and Arsenal are better than us to the extent that we won’t be able to catch up with them given the points we’ve dropped. Is that thought so ridiculous that the guy should just get lambasted. He didn’t single out anyone or exagerate anything did he? Are certain people not grown up enough to accept others opinions. Obviously it hurts reading it because everyone hates to think about the team failing. But so what. Just because it hurts to read it doesn’t mean someone’s a disgrace for writing it, it’s just an opinion, and one that I thinks closer to the mark than plenty of others on this forum.

@FS

” But sadly, they are not clever enough to realise the damage they can cause to their “Beloved Club”

That says it all about you FS. I kept on repeating that i stated that with lot of seriousness and u still keep on quoting it in sarcastic way. I have got nothing personal against you but lemme tell you onething.. Liverpool are a global brand and there is nothing you can do to stop people airing their views. get that straight.

@KeithSA

I am absolutely with you,FS and others when it comes to having faith. My entire point was to state that i believe we will do well to finsih 4th this season. I have never said that Rafa is useless though it is true that at times i believe he can be a little more attack minded.

All those points you have mentioned in your post #134 are so true. We finished 2nd. We did the double over Mancs. In terms of money again, i absolutely agree and i too feel that our American owners have let us down big time.

But where i disagree with you is the faith you are asking me to have of LFC winning the title this year. When i say we will do well to finish 4th this year i am not dissapointed. I will not throw in the towel. I will not ask for Rafa’s head coz i know how brilliant he is.

Keith my point is that some of the players we are relying upon are not god enough to make the cut in the other top teams. Who is our second striker? ManCity,Tottenham,Aston Villa,Chelsea,ManUtd have more depth in that department. A good second striker has been evading us since Keane left and Rafa has not been able to fill that gap. He brought Voronin back. Why did he? If he think that Voronin is good enough to play in the league then yesterday he should have started instead of Babel who hardly plays in a centre forward role for us.

The selection of some of the personnel by Rafa is not right. I didnt understand the reason to go with 3 centre backs. The Chelsea result was known to us. Having got the opportunity to close the gap we should have been more attack minded in our line up.

I can understand Rafa wanted to be flexible going with 2 fullbacks and 3 centre backs to give us width but again right at the centre we lacked a genuine 2nd striker. At a club like Liverpool we need a better cover for Torres.

Injury to Torres and Gerrard : With the amount of football we will play it is probable that some of our key players might get injured and i am sure Rafa knew it.

@Timmy Torres

“Lads there is no point arguing with the two that feel each other(#87) they`re just too ignorant to take another point different to theirs.”

You seem to repeat a typo error twice now. I would request you to shut up.

@ron the red

You are convinced that we are not Liverpool supporters? LOL !! If i say you are right what do want as a prize? Perhaps a Candy? You know what i am gonna give you? I am gonna give you a nice poster which will have “YOU ARE A JACK ASS” written over it.

I am having a fight with FS over his quoting my “Beloved Club” since yesterday and you are convinced that I am not a Liverpool supporter. What a moron you are. Neways..lemme make myself clear.. I am indeed a Liverpool supporter and my point is enitrely different from the ones who wants Rafa’s head or who are throwing in the towel. Do you get that lad?

@MaccyD

Thanks a lot for trying to even understand what i wanted to say. My english is poor mate unlike the others here but i do not belong to the group of fake Liverpool Fans. I wish people have enough guts to take on some of the blokes here who thinks its their divine right to stamp their views on others.

Supporting your club is good but to be blind and ignore reality is not the right thing. Lets stop living in our glorious past. Today the league is more competitive than ever. Sir Alex might have got 6-7 seasons to land a trophy but today thats too long a time. Rafa came in 2004. I am absolutely sure that supporters around the world wants a trophy this season. A top 4 finsih to me is acceptable given the squad,stupid owners,loads of money elsewhere but we need to win something this season otherwise the pressure will be on Rafa. The league is our top priority and i dont see it coming this season.

People here call this statement of mine stupid as they think i am throwing in the towel. I am not. I am just trying to be honest. I said Barca play beautiful football.On that someone told me to go and support Barca. This is madness. I love Football and I love Liverpool. Imagine Liverpool doing the same to ManUtd what Barca did to them in last years final? What is the harm in dreaming that my team will play like the european champions and arguably the best team too?

“You seem to repeat a typo error twice now. I would request you to shut up”

Well before i do Samantha i would like to reply to some of your opinions.

“He brought Voronin back. Why did he?”
Incase you didn`t know Vorinin is a liverpool player.He was loaned out for a season with a veiw to a permanent deal subject to CL qualification by Hertha Berlin.They didn`t want or could not afford to sign him.Nobody wanted to sign him so Rafa was stuck with him.That is why he brought him back.

“I didnt understand the reason to go with 3 centre backs. The Chelsea result was known to us. Having got the opportunity to close the gap we should have been more attack minded in our line up”
Isn`t 3 at the back with two very attack minded wingbacks an attack minded formation.Granted we had spearing in the middle and was a bit out of his depth but surely as formations go how is this a defensive set up?

“At a club like Liverpool we need a better cover for Torres.”

Do you realise Rafa would have adequate cover for torres and every other position if he was given the financial backing?When Keane was sold the money disappeared into thin air.So how does rafa buy players with no money?I can`t understand how you come up with these comments when you claim to understand the financial situation we`re in.

Fuck sake lads its like world war three in here an to be honest i fully understand,the chips are down and things aren’t going our way so its easy to get stuck into each other outta pure frustration if nothing else!!

Though like FS said we our like a family and gotta air our grievances, i for one am still so fucking gutted an i never received so many “red balloon” jokes from so many manc bastards in my life(FS thats atleast one issue you dont have over there,i mean im getting fuckin annihilated)

The thing is if you are a full on red fan these results will make ya lash out i.e i was round at a mates house today dropping in a mass card as the guy’s mother just past away after a few minutes of giving my sympathies a few of us start getting into a debate about how lucas is not shit an rafa shouldn’t go and even though i was aware of where i was i found myself not being able to let people say it an let it slide.

so where to we go from here, well Wednesdays match is not even on my radar sure i’ll watch it an for 90mins hope we get the right result but rest assured both eyes are firmly on the scum game. To be honest I’m am shittin it. I think were a better team than them though the problem is that they are playing piss and winning while were…. well we all know the craic there.

So I’m just praying its the match were we decide to turn it round because a defeat is just gonna be to hard to swallow and if you think knee-jerks are bad today, your in for a rude awaking next Sunday. Rafa an the troops it is time.

No. No. I’m not having this. I don’t mind the personal insults. I find them quite funny. I don’t mind some of the nonsense spouted. That’s even funnier.

But I’m not going to be made out to be a bully. I laughed it off earlier, but there’s one person falling for it now and no doubt others will soon follow. So I have no option but to defend my corner.

At my age, I should know better. I should pretty much treat it much as I treat my grandaughter when she has a tantrum for something that I can’t afford to buy her, because reading this lad’s nonsense is really not that much different….

Wah! Wah! I’ll hold my breath until we have a world class second striker and a bigger better squad than anyone else. I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam until I have the….

And on and on it goes, but as stupid as I find his comments, I’m not having the lad make me look like I’m picking on him.

The fact is, as I said, earlier I remember this kid Somnath from when he first came in here, and it was full out tantrums and out and out attacks on Rafa and lots of the players.

I gave him a hard time for them “opinions,” but when I realised he was just a kid with English as a second language, I spent days and days chatting with him and explaining things that were taking place at the club. In fact, most people in here did.

He mellowed his attacks on the players and Rafa, as he is now, and then disappeared for awhile.

But he reappears whenever the team haven’t done exactly what he wanted, started it all over again, disrupted the place for days on end, then pulled the same trick…
mellowed his stance, made it look like reasonable criticism, even just concern for the club, only to reappear and do it over and over and over again.

It’s like being stuck on some nightmare roundabout. And I’m frankly sick of it and I refuse to be made to look like some sort of bully just because I refuse to fall for it.

I can’t be arsed with it the kid himself anymore. In fact, I feel quite ridiculous for allowing myself to get caught up in his nonsense again, but I stand by what I said…

Some of you may not realise it because you’re not here to see it but this sort of “Support” IS causing great damage to the club. It’s driving a wedge between fans and it’s giving ammo to the anti-Rafa/LFC brigade. Liverpool fans were once the most tightest loyal group of peope you could ever met. We stood together through thick and thin and always backed each other up. It was caused by the English hatred of Scousers, but we all stood together regardless of birth place. Well them days are sadly over because of this cancerous support that is rotting away the fan base from the inside out.

Somnath no matter how much you say you are – you are not a supporter…. You are not even a decent fan, but to support something you have to actually support it in some way or another. Maybe you will come to realise this as you get older and come to understand the meaning of words like loyalty and even understand why proper Liverpool supporters chose to sing songs like You’lll Never Walk Alone, Fields of Anfield Road and Poor Scouser Tommy. Maybe you’ll even understand why proper supporters are sickened by this new generation of Radio Phone In/Internet Forum Traitors. But in all truth, I don’t care what you do as it won’t be long before you’re doing it in a Chelsea, Man U or even Man City forum.

Now I’ve said my piece and I’m going back to speaking football with proper fans and supporters – no matter where they are from and even if they disagree with me.

Oh and in case you think I’m going a bit over the top, I’m going to add something I forgot to say…
We are owned by 2 such “Supporters.” They’re knowledge of LFC and even football as a game is on a similar par to the “Supporters.”

Make no bones about it, they also use these “Opinions” as a right… a right to do what the fuck they want to these supporters “Beloved Club.” Which then adds to the ammunition for Sly, Talk Shite, The Daily Manc and all the other anti-LFC media outlets.

If you don’t believe me, read Gillette’s last round of comments. And watch Sky’s coverage of the Lyon Game.

Do you know who they have lined up as an expert pundit for that one…
Jurgen Klinsmann. Yep. I kid you not, Jurgen Klinsmann.

Maybe we’d be better off letting him take us into the Championship if it meant getting rid of these bellends – both in the boardroom and on the net/phone ins.

Rome77 & Redscouse…

Yeah – i got a bit hyper there didnt I…I was pissed because we lost (and lost due to a ref error as well – well that contributed – obviously our poor play didnt help)…

But I get really fecked off with people who are just so flaming negative about everything all the time…thats one thing you learn to appreciate with the Aussies…they are very positive and always go out fighting…they are a breath of fresh air (I live in Sydney now)…

I may not have been supporting LFC as long as FS and some of you others…but I will never give up on them and I try to understand the culture of the club from those who were there at the start or dven before of the glory years…

And FS – I sometimes think you may be right – a period of failure to remove the hangers on and Dumb and Dumber might just be better than having to listen to a bunch of numpties who know even less than the prick who runs Liverpool Kop…

Somath Imagine Liverpool doing the same to ManUtd what Barca did to them in
last years final?
How good would it have been if Barca had done to them what we did to them at
the Old Toilet .
BTW Overall i think your opinions would have been better posted at a different
time not 2 hrs after the match. For one thing all those journalists who like to slag
us off are in a bit of a rush and start trawling about on internet sites like this
one.looking for ammunition to use against us till the next game. That does
damage the club to some extent.Then you have your Kneejerks who only post
just after the match and others who form their opinions on what they read just
hours after the match.Better to wait a while it gives perspective
Imagine your back to that time when you decided to support Liverpool but the
only difference is you go on a forum and some Liverpool fan’s are telling you
were crap and the manager is crap.the media are telling you the same.
Would you still choose LFC ?

And another thing…to all the morons calling for Rafas head and whining about all and sundry…

We actually lost due to a blatant mistake by the match officials…

Seriously – how dumb are some of the people who claim be LFC supporters?

And perhaps you dumb fucks might also like to answer the following questions :
1. If you dont want Rafa anymore who would you replace him with?
2. How do you expect this new manager or Rafa to compete when we have no (less) money and there are at least 5 teams (Man U/Chelsea/Man City/Tottenham/Villa and now Birmingham) with more money than LFC and at least 3 teams with bigger better squads (Man U/Chelsea/Man City)?
3. Can any of you actually add? We have spent a net 30 mill at best over Rafa’s time here and somehow that is supposed to mean he should have won the league by now? How the fuck do you work that one out?

Perhaps you stupid virgin smelly nerds need to go back to playing championship manager or whatever its called because you clearly arent living in the real fucking world.

Quite frankly there are too many stupid people in the world and they seem to think that people have an interest in their dumb arse opinions. Well we fucking dont. If you arent smart enough to work out youre a moron perhaps you arent smart enough to have an opinion – so fuck off back to moron land and converse in moronese with all the other morons and leave us with IQ’s greater than the average temperature in the Artic alone…we dont give a fuck about you or your fucking dumb arse brain dead fucked in the head opinions…

What part of its better to let people think you are a fool than speak and remove all doubt do these complete idiot waste of space pillocks not understand…

FS Missed your last post with my slow typing but your right about them two
c*nts G&H they’ll be using the same ammo when it comes to how much money
not to give rafa.
Youll probably know by now but it was Liverpool in 63/64 who won the league
despite having a similar start to this season.
YNWA

Kiwi Mark IQ’s greater than the average temperature in the Artic alone…
Classic
Digger & LB I know your a little upset but its time for some constructive well
thought out criticism.
YNWA

PS Also how many managers after losing under those circumstances would
have blamed the ref,the beachball or bad luck for the loss. Or for that matter
fatigue from the international’s and the injuries to 2 of his best players ?
Not Rafa he blames the poor performance and sets about putting it right.
A true professional if i ever seen one.
Can you imagine Whiskeybreath under them circumstances the ref would have
been f*cked off never to be seen at the Toilet again. Everyone of the excuses
would have been reeled off and the media wouldnt be making a joke out of it
incase it enraged Slur Alex.
YNWA

The thing that thse so called ‘supporters’ dont realise is by talking shite they are giving ammunition to the two wankers.

Dont be suprised to see Mascherano, Torres or even Gerrard being sold for a large fee and all of the money being used to pay off the debt and then the club being sold. In that case, we would be royally fucked and im sure Rafa would leave which is the last thing we want.

If we come together, support the team and the manager and show our disgust at the owners, then it will be harder for them to act in that manner.

Sula, the fact that you accuse me of being drunk is enough proof that you don’t even follow the discussions on this site properly. I said it for more than three years now– I clearly stated that I can’t and therefore don’t drink!!

somnath07in, that’s fine if you think we will finish 4th. The biggest problem with you is that you think the reason for that is down to Rafa. And you consistently harrass Rafa whenever we play badly. I’m having none of this, “everyone is entitled to an opinion” bs because it is not even an opinion. You probably don’t realise it, but your “reasoning” is equivalent to calling Rafa “a fat spanish waiter.” And even you would admit that that would not warrant as an opinion.

For those of you who think rafa “does not let the players play their natural game” and hence destroy the players, I will give you a shocking evidence of what would happen if you let players do their own thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TBEj6e5bnM

This was aired in March, 2007. Calculate that from when nando joined us, and look where he is now as a striker.

If that is not enough proof to show you what a fantastic manager rafa is, I don’t know what will……

Somath (Comment 103)Just noticed this now “I would really appreciate if you
put your money with the hope that LFC wins the title. I would love to see you
loose some.”
So you’d love to see us lose the title. I think that sum’s it up really.

I don’t have anything to say about our wonderful ‘supporters’ that hasn’t been said already, but as for our chances at the title, it’s certainly far too early to write anyone off. Will it be easy? Of course not, but if anyone can put together a title run, it’s us. With Aquilani’s entrance edging ever nearer, all it will take is for Stevie and Mascher to pick up form again. I can’t see many dropped points coming with an on-form team.
Frankly, I think Chelsea’s title hopes will take a big hit once the African cup starts; losing Drogba and Essien will significantly weaken their squad. With the mancs looking significantly weaker than last year, we can still take the title if our big players find a run of good form.

Just to clarify so that these people don’t come back come May when we don’t win and start tuning the very original “I told you so” song, most of us don’t really give a toss whether people think we are already out of the title race or whether we will defo finish 4th. That part is something that they are entitled to voice.

The problem we have (or at least I have) with these “opinions” is the manner in which or the so-called reasons/logic on which the opinions are posed.

It really is sad that some people don’t understand or fail to see this simple truth and just resort to the once-again, very orignial “you lot are a blind supporter theory”.
It would be laughable if I didn’t care so much about my club.

I normally enjoy coming on the site, whether we win or lose, to see the variosu commnents and opinions.

However in the last couple of days it has not been very enjoyable as there has been alot of insults and arguing going on.

I know it’s not easy but my advive would be to ignore these 2 S’s completely. Most of their comments don’t deserve a reply.
If nobody replies they will probably lose interest and move away.

Now so much has been said about me,names have been called…i have been blamed for having personal attacks too…and all u guys getting back to me,isnt that personal for starters?…well i will stick to what i think am entitled to,and thats my opinion..no one is gonna tell me on how am supposed to support my club! i bleed for LFC week in,week out and just like any of u,i have my own expectations…A simple question for all of u guys.”why do u guys want these two americans out?”…i guess the answer is plain simple..when these guys came in,we had alot of expectations…2,3yrs down the road,we want them out,simply because they havent lived to the expectations…i have high regard for Rafa but just like any one,i had expectations of him,5yrs down the road am running out of patience…am not like some blind fans in here who only watch LFC play..am a man who fall in love with the game of football and am married to LFC..but i do get some time to watch other teams play too,even those in the lower league..i find it a shame that these teams play fantastic football…just like i said before,i will bring out leeds united as example,these guys outplayed us albeit Ngog’s goal..look at the other big 3 playing,whether winning or losing the footie they r playing remains fanstatic..I dont personally hate Rafa,but he comes up with decisions that dont favor us,he unneccesarily thinks alot sometimes,trying new formations,shifting players out of their natural positions..leaving potential players on bench..etc look at our last game at sunderland,just one shot on target,3consecutive defeats with out a goal!!! i want u guys to accept that we are not a title challenging team,we are inferrior to the rest of the big 3 both in money and squad depth and the best we can do this season is 4th place..so if the unexpected happens and we win the league in may,which i dont expect ofcourse,will take it as a suprise,and if we finish fouth or third,we are not diasppointed either…

Sula you have confirmed in #158 that in fact you have no idea about LFC.

You are comparing:
1.The american owners and what they have done for this club in 3 years (which is fuck all besides saddling the club with debt, undermining the supportes and rafa, lying to the supporters, taking money)

To

2. Rafa, who has brought us success and consistency with a mediocre team to start with, who has managed to attract top talent(dont think Torres would have come to our club if it wasnt for Rafa).

You, my friend, are a fool.

On a final note Sula:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Got to agree with you Rome, Rafa is sheer class, no excuses we did not play well enough. I do not think there is another Manager who would not have jumped on the band wagon of excuses that he had available. Can you imagine Maureen’s tantrum let alone Fugus’s, Wenger would have tripped over his lip as well. The man is class.

I was waiting for the Alonso excuse to come up again and yes any team would miss a class player like him, but this team beat the Mancs 4-1 at the toilet without him so they are quite capable of doing it again. Let’s not forget he wanted to leave and Rafa did not sell him out of choice.

Us ubber supporters never said we would walk away with the Prem this year most said a top 2 finish with a very good chance of clinching it if we do not pick up too many injuries because of our thin squad. I will still stick to that and yes we have played crap at times and the fates have not been kind to us for the start of this campaign and we have been very unsettled, out of form, especially some of the senior players but we are Liverpool, surly Istanbul has taught us anything is possible. I know one thing, Rafa and the team will believe they can do it, we need to support them know more than ever.

The if’s and the buts with regards to team formation, tactics and selection are just pure speculation and are only made after the fact and in hindsight. There is no exact science here, but the way some of you go on about it you would think we would have won at a canter. The opposite is also valid; your selection could have seen us go down by more than the one freak goal.

Rafa is the best placed person to make those decisions and is paid well to do so. Sometimes they work for him and sometimes they don’t and that is reality. His win percentage (74%) the same as Sir Bob Paisleys, suggests that he is one of the best at getting it right. He certainly has more negatives to deal with than Sir Bob, in fact he has more negatives to deal with than any other manager in the Prem and I include the three promoted teams as they had money to spend and owners who fully back them unlike Rafa, who after guiding the team to the best points total ever and second place had to work with a negative transfer fund where he had to pay in money and sell players just for the privilege of having our two Twats undermine him again and blame him for not signing enough cover with nothing.

I do not know who said it, but you are spot on there are a lot of Liverpool supporters (so called supporters) who are just plain stupid and their collective would struggle to find one brain cell between them. Now more than ever we need to support and back both the team and the Manager. We know, from last year, what they are capable of and we need to help them get their not destroy further their shaky confidence by calling for heads.

Sula, you contradicted yourself perfectly (or moving the goalposts, as FS adequately puts it).

“want u guys to accept that we are not a title challenging team,we are inferrior to the rest of the big 3 both IN MONEY AND SQUAD DEPTH and the best we can do this season is 4th place..so if the unexpected happens and we win the league in may,which i dont expect ofcourse,will take it as a suprise,and if we finish fouth or third,we are not diasppointed either…”

I highlighted your contradiction. If that is what you think, what has Rafa got to do with it???
Do you, or don’t you agree he is doing the best he can with what is at his disposal?? What is exactly your logic??

And if the highlighted portion is what you really think, what the hell are you moaning about? If you know that we are not going to secure a position any higher than 4th, why don’t you just support the team then? It won’t make any difference right?

And for your information, a lot of the guys in here watch a lot of football besides liverpool, and that is why we have an objective appreciation of what Rafa has been doing.

For instance, you talk about Barca– which barca are you referring to? If you even think the current barca is anyhwere near the “beautiful” football you speak so highly of, then you haven’t studied enough, mate. Contrary to the media hype, the current barca is nowhere near the best barca, let alone the best team. I don’t even think their football is that pretty as you make out to believe because I know the barca of the cruyff days, I know the reds of the dalglish days and I also know the milan of the sacchi days. Perhaps you should even go back to the brazil team of 1970, who are still the cream of the cream in my view.

But my point is, what has appreciating beautiful football even got to do with the constant slating of rafa and the team.

If you think our squad is only worthy of 4th place, why do you even hope for our team to play this beautiful football. I mean, we don’t have the players to pull it off, right?

In the final analysis, how does your criticism or opinion going to help in any way of ever upping our team performances??

I am sorry, I only regard anyone’s opinion as an opinion per se when it makes sense. Yours doesn’t.
Which is why I continue to pester you because it is detrimental to this site and our club. I woudn’t go so far as to say that you don’t deserve to voice your words, but you have to accept that your argument is totally flawed in every single way. And sorry, you don’t bleed liverpool, I dunno where you get that misconception from.

If you think your opinion is warranted because you watch a lot of games, my advice is, you’re not watching enough. You need to watch more, and get a bigger picture of how a manager is able to set up a team with the given resources. Stuff like that.

I had a lot of expectation that my Donkey cart would win the F1 crown this year. Well my team principle who bought the team promised we would have all resources possible to do just that. However, he only cut the feed I was giving the donkey and now all the supporters want to shoot the driver and the donkey after 3 years because they say we have had more than enough time to beat the Ferrari team.

Ohh, keith, you intellectual poet LoL!! You wrote in 6 lines, what took me several long posts to convey!!

Morning lads. New day. New start and all that…

Yesterday, I posted that Rafa had all the squad in for a full training session. This is not a normally done thing on a Sunday after a game on Saturday. So, as Rome77 said, Rafa is not rolling out excuses. He is doing exactly what he said he will do, and is setting about fixing the problems.

I was told it was a proper strenous session…

One of the excercises: 5 a side games, with players constantly rotating from pitch to sidelines, the players on the pitch being run ragged, the players off the pitch standing around the sidelines not allowing the ball to go into touch, kicking it straight back on, so that it was perpetual motion on the pitch.

Apparently both Aqualani and Kyriagos were taking part in the five-a-sides, but both were also running very hard. And – great news – Aqualani was doing some ball work. So, hopefully the lad will start to feature soon. But I fear the sort of support we are attracting nowadays is going to heap so much expectation on this kid, that if the lad doesn’t immeadiately play like Giggs/Beckham/Scholes/Rooney/Ronaldo and even Pele/Marradona rolled into one the doubters will soon turn into boo boys and the media will fill the pages and air waves with RAFA WASTES MORE MEGA MILLIONS ON ITALIAN CROCK. The phone ins and net forums will fill with this shit. And of course, this will then be used by Gillette as proof positive that Rafa is to blame for Liverpool’s demise.

And make no bones, this is a huge problem. Would any of you continue in your own job when you faced ridicule from everyone in your industry and then started to be stabbed in the back by your own supposedly loyal workmates?

Well, even if you did the fact is, your position would eventually become untenable anyway. But, I’m going to stay on point and ignore all that shit for now…

Of course Rafa is the boss, so the buck stops firmly at his desk. He got the plaudits for Istanbul and Cardiff, so he has to shoulder his share of the blame for what is happening this season. And I know quite a few good Reds who are now starting to think it’s time for him to go.

Obviously, I think that’s wrong, but the last time I remember Rafa facing this sort of pressure was after the 2 disastarous FA Cup games against Havant and Waterlooville and Barnsley.

I was at both games and it wasn’t easy to defend Rafa after that, but we all know we would have been very wrong had we pushed him out then.

Then the last time I remember Rafa facing a similair game to the one against Sunderland on Saturday was the Pompey game last season when it looked like we’d fell out the race again and we had hardly any players to put on the pitch. Again Rafa was under this sort of pressure, except he pulled it off that time…
Playing a formation no one could understand against a dangerous team that was in a run of form, with Aurellio in central mid pulling the strings, and we had one of our best games of the season.

But it is wrong to expect the man to be able to perform that sort of miracle each time we are in them sort of circumstances. Nobody could do it, or should be expected to.

The nay sayers are saying why didn’t we attack Sunderland with all our forwards on the pitch from the off. Seems they didn’t notice we played an attacking formation from the off, and for the last twenty minutes had every attacker at our disposal on the pitch… It wouldn’t have mattered if we’d had them on for twenty weeks, we still wouldn’t have scored. In fact, we would have probably got panelled by at least 3 or 4.

As it turns out, the 3 centre backs worked to the extent that we were only beaten by a “None (Ghost) Goal,” that Maureenio would still be screaming about in 3 seasons time.

And obviously, I think we have the right man for the job, probably the only man who could do what he is doing for the club under the circumstances he/the club is in. But I fear it is our own “Support” with their God Given right to flood the internet and phone ins with their righteous god given opinions that will drive him out.

Like I said, none of this puts him above criticism. In fact, I quite enjoy a good debate with people who understand what they are talking about, but sadly it’s the brain dead, media spouting, sheep that will bring down this regime adn leave the club totally in the hands of our custodians who know even less than them.

A sad state of affairs indeed.

A few good results in the next couple of weeks will solve that for now, but sadly the type of “Support” we have nowadays will only lurk in the background biding their time. And if I was Rafa, I would walk. In fact, I would have now been managing Real Madrid if I was him. But thankfully he is made of sterner stuff. The sort of stuff that doesn’t moan and whinge but sets about fixing the problems immeadiately.

163: Excellent.

@Hyde,Keithsa,akka and fatscouser!

i have realised its guys like u who were fond of Houllier and when Rafa came in u jumped on the wagon..i wont be suprised if Rafa leaves and u go on to say how shit he was…

Am finding some thing little sickening in here..u guys want me to believe that the team and the manager are in fine shape even though everything is not going on well..am sorry i wont be part of you Fools and i dont give a fuck on what u think ur entitled to…we havent won against any decent side this season,and u think that doesnt call for any reason to worry? its a shame that i share the same club with guys like u..always thinking backward! till when shall we keep dwelling on the past,chelsea has re-written its history in past few years and now its a world class team,Arsenal is there too..those guys havent won trophies in the last few years but look at the football they are playing,its exquisite! and how many of their players are established internationals? and how many internationals do we have at liverpool? isnt something wrong with the management???? all the matches we’ve played this season with the exception of chelsea which we lost nway,we’ve been playing under intense pressure, and if u think am not entitled to question my manager,then FUCK OFF!!!

HA!

Donalfromthegap-your 3-1 to the Reds prediction was miles off, unlike my own 1 goal win prediction for the Sunnies.Only mad dogs and Paddies go out in in the Dubai sun!.
Rafa should of spread his money more evenly and bought 4 players in the £9-10 mill range.A versatile right back, a right sided midfielder, striker and central midfielder could of been purchased.Aqualini is a luxury we cannot afford.Wenger won 2 titles in 5 years and broke even in the transfer market.It’s not how much you spend, it is the quality of the players bought that counts.
Where are the promising Iberian players in our youth team?.Why did so many people expect the Reds to lose on Saturday?The Mancs have had their best start for 19 seasons, Arsenal have scored more goals than in any other prem campaign, yet both managers made a profit during the summer!.Kranjcar cost Spurs a mere £3 mill!.Why was Warnock sold for 1.5 mill when he is now worth 8 mill?.Why waste 7 mill on Dossena?.Its a rerun of the 03 and 04 seasons.

Hello guys, I just caught up with most of the comments and I now have a headache.

I didn’t see the Sunderland game and I’ve avoided the highlights. I was looking after my 8 year old nephew over the weekend and was out at a kids fun house during the match. I got back home about an hour after the game finished. Put it on Sky Sports news and saw the result. I just turned over to the Disney channel and began to cook dinner. After that I watched Back to the Future 1 and 2. I then watched the Carl Froch fight. My best mate who is a Liverpool fan was phoning me constantly. I knew he wanted to have a lengthy discussion on the football so I avoided the calls. I just wasn’t interested. I been watching boxing and NFL. The fed up factor is immense!

I swear the club is jinxed. I’m not even joking. It’s like a nightmare. You couldn’t think of a worse case scenario regarding who our club was sold to. We really couldn’t make it up. Our predicament is down to poor leadership at boardroom level. David Moores was a rubbish chairman, we had a rubbish chief executive and now we are stuck with 2 absolute cunts for owners. I thought people like Doug Ellis and Ken Bates were bad. Then I thought you couldn’t get worse than the Glazier hostile takeover. But fucking hell have we topped it. Then you have the situation with our 2 best players always being injured. Out of all the international players we have, Torres and Gerrard are the ones who come back fucked. How typical of our luck is that? Our other key players travelled all over the world and came back knackered. How typical is that? There always seems to be some reason as to why we can’t fucking well do the business.

I have come to the conclusion that we’ll win fuck all with these bastards owning the football club. For a team looking to win the biggest prizes in club football our squad depth is a joke. We were always going to need a lot of luck to challenge for the title this season. We needed our key players to remain injury free. We needed our defence to remain solid. We needed to maintain the form from the end of last season. Well, we’ve had no luck, we’ve had injuries to key players, our defence has been shite and our form has been terrible against any decent side.

Sooner or later we’ll find form but I think it’ll prove too little too late to win either the PL or CL. We need more quality players added to our squad. Our squad isn’t good enough or strong enough to win the biggest prizes. It maybe good enough to come close but not good enough to get the cigar. They say a team needs to challenge for the title in order to then take the next step and win it the following year. However I’m sure all teams who have done this have strengthened their team so they could win it the following year. We did the opposite. We seem weaker than last season. We’ve begun with a weaker squad than we did 12 months ago. That’s how it looks at the moment. Alonso on top form last season. This season an unfit Aquilani. Last season a patchy Robbie Keane. This season Voronin. Last season Hyypia, this season Kygriakos.

Until we get new owners I’m writing off our chances of winning the PL or CL. Rafa is a good manager but he’s not a miracle worker. There may be better managers in the world, maybe. But there is no way in hell we could attract such a manager to our club the way it’s being run at the moment.

Fuck me this forum just gets stranger by the day. BM says more than the usual 3 words. But then maybe not… as it’s just the same drivel with more words.

FUCK ME! I’m going mental. Rafa gets ragged for season after season for buying quantity not quality. He tries to fine tune the machine he is building with a couple of quality additions, and the goal posts get moved yet again.

Unbelievable.

One of these days these type of cunts might just turn round and say… If only G&H had given Rafa the money he should have got in the summer we would have walked the league this season.

But I won’t hold my breath.

I said it before, but I’ll say it again….

I’m completely ashamed to be associated to people like you’s just because you decided to attach yourself to something that you have absolutely no understanding of.

This is starting to make my flesh crawl.

Thank god you’re back LB. These toss pots seem to give you some respect. Maybe they’ll take some notice, but I won’t hold my breath.

You can only begin to learn when you have enough sense to realise you are thick.

I’m off to poke my eyes out with a shitty stick. I can’t bear to watch this anymore.

Fatty, during the summer you said that you were confident the Reds would win the title even if both Alonso and Masher left!.Valencia played midweek for Ecuador, yet he came back and scored for the Mancs.
Al the points made are 100% correct, no hysterics just clinical rational analysis.LB,Arsenal and the Mancs had their league jinx ended when they appointed A1 MANAGERS IN 1986.

I’m still confident we can win the title. What the fuck Valencia has to do with it is beyond me. As is the fact that Wenger inherited a very good team with title winning chances anyway, and that it took The Tramp 7 seasons to do it and he only done that when he got incredibly lucky by LFC falling apart and his own academy producing a string of great players… both of which he had fuck all to do with.

So why not just contribute your usual 3 lines or so. In fact, I can cut that for you even further. Just say RAFA OUT and be done with it.

Maybe i read that wrong or i’m just getting my wires crossed, tell me burgerman did you just come in here to gloat to another poster about getting the score right when we lose???

Great Rant LB and my sentiments exactly though I still think we can hit a decent patch of from and catch up, purely because I do not think the other teams are that strong and I still believe a lot more points will be dropped by all. Granted we have to do it sooner because later is running out rapidly. I will not make the mistake and say things cannot get worse, only better, because the way things have gone for us so far, balloon included, it probably can.

Sula you must be the thickest person on this blog or have great difficulty in reading and assimilating at the same time. I will not bother replying to your utter drivel from now on; much the same way I have ignored Bugerhulk. For the record though, if you had any recollection of the history of this blog, mind you, you cannot even remember the content of this blog, most of us could not stand the Ged Eye years and nobody here is saying we are playing well or even close to the standard this team is capable of. I will however fuck off and refrain from answering idiotic and childish ramblings, because the two words fuck and off are about the level and extent of your intellectual capacity and reasoning.

I used the Arsenal/Wenger comparison myself. But I now think it was easier to build a title winning team in the 90s than it is these days. It would explain why Wenger can’t do it in recent times. In this day and age big money and proper investment over a number of seasons is required to build a squad good enough to win the PL title.

Taggart took over a shite side and gradually built it up but he had good resources and was backed fully by his bosses. He also had some luck because their youth set up in the 90s was unbelievable.

Mancs and Arsenal not only had A1 managers they had A1 leadership in the boardroom. Sadly that is something we have not had since 1991.

A successful club needs proper leadership in the boardroom, coaching staff and on the pitch. I’ve written that in order of importance.

Wenger inherited a team that finished 12th, yet he won the title in his first full season, thanks to buying GEMS at bargain prices-Anelka, Vieira etc.Taggart won the title in his 6th full season having gone very close the season before.Kendall and Wilko won titles in 4 seasons, the latter having inherited a team in the old division 2.It’s not the results, it is the dreadful performances that are the problem.

LB: The Tramp had nothing to do whatsoever with the academy.

That sounds churlish and bitter, and you can’t take away from the man’s accomplishments. But the fact is, the academy churned out Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Butt and the Neville sisters just as he was about to get sacked. He then pulled off what I will credit him with as his master stroke…
He signed Cantona.

That was the missing link and turned a good side into a great one. But you can’t forget the fact that the opposition he faced at the time was terrible.

In fact, if it hadn’t been for Wenger – who I think is a fantastic manager – The Tramp would have faced no opposition whatsoever except for the one season when Dalglish was blessed with all Jack Walker’s money.

So it’s not a fair comparrison by any stroke of the imagination. The fact is, Rafa took over LFC at an awful time and has been doing the job with arms and legs tied behind his back ever since.

On top of all the difficulties he has to face inside the club, he has had to endure constant pressure and ridicule from the media and even 5th columnists in our own support.

Despite this, he has turned a club that struggled to qualify for europe into automatic CL quarter finalists and a top 4 side. He has also revamped the whole club from top to bottom, dragging it, sometimes kicking and screaming, into the modern day game.

Last season proved to me – and most other fans – that we were on the verge of greatness again. But… well, those of us with half a brain know what has happened since, and those who don’t understand aren’t worth the time and effort it takes to explain.

Really, what is the point in going through all this for days on end only for it all to start again as soon as we don’t play like Brazil circa 1970.

In fact, that’s enough of my time wasted…
Tatty bye.

FS dont take them seriously, in fact I am finding myself loggin on regularly just to check what Sula has written. I have been flat out with a M&A deal involving a large US company, but Sula’s comments are providing the comic relief that i need.

Hey sula, yeah Chelski have re-written history after abromovich came in, how much did they spend? What was their budget compared to us?

Yes arsenal play some nice football. But they havent won a trophy in how long?
I bet if we were in the same position you would change your stance and say “why is rafa trying to play in this way when all we want is to win”.

Wouldnt suprise me if Sula is Burgerman or Somnath is disguise.

Burgerman, Arsenal finishing 12th and Wenger taking over is a little misleading. Bruce Rioch was an idiot in charge of a good team. The previous season Arsenal finished 4th and had the best defence in the league. Wenger to his credit changed he style of football immediately, bought some gems and won the double within 18 months. But I say again it was easier to do that in the mid 90s. Didn’t have to battle against teams spending £200m in those days. Wenger has tried to same approach since then. Purchasing a gem here and there such as Van Persie, Arshavin, Hleb, Fabregas etc etc. But they have not managed to challenge for the title. Like Rafa, Wenger is going to need proper investment to win the league in this day and age.

Talk of Howard Kendell and Howard Wilkinson is irrelevant. Might as well say that Brian Clough won the league with Deby County so why shouldn’t anyone have a chance to win the PL?

Well now that the sun is rising over in Europe, I’ll hand the baton over to you guys.

I give up with this Sula fella; he doesn’t even have the ears to listen or actually disect our detailed explanation. what can you do.

Situation has gotten even worse, though– cos burger “his-comments-are-as-relevant-as-cheryl-cole-is-to-cashley” man is now chipping in with his own words of wisdom!!

Hyde BM will always pop in with his pearls of wisdom and his unwavering faith
in Wenger. In fact if he was a Arsenal fan and told us he was id probably enjoy
his comments.
YNWA

Lads a friend of mine just txtd me a link for John Nicholsons latest article on Football365. As much as the buck for Saturdays display stops at Rafa and the players door, its a brilliant article that should be read by every Liverpool fan. It certainly put things in a different perspective for me.

How appropriate,me coming after Hyde.
I just want to write that I cannot understand how we got a referee (and an assistant whom he consulted),didn’t know the present rules of the game and awarded THE goal.The Reds almost always seem to get officials who can be peculiar,to say the least. Having said that,the Reds really deserved to lose the say they played,and it seems to happen before a critical Champions League game.
Is that Rafa’s fault or do the boys only play hard enough NOT to get injured?
What I say is ALL GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND GO FOR IT.

Although football, and life itself, has changed beyond all recognition since the 60′s the basics haven’t.

Nobody seems to have noticed Rome77′s question and answer on when the last time a team won the league after a similair start to our own. And I’d forgotten, but yes it has been done before.

Time to check a bit of history, Lads?

But back to the future…
Last season we managed to get in front early on and spent the rest of the season so frightened of losing the lead that we eventually gave it away, and went back to what we are good at…
Fighting like fuck when everything is against us.

Well, I choose to belive we’re just getting it out of the way early on this time round. Me and red tinted specs. Yeah. Of course it is. I’m a loyal Red. But it’s not just blind faith….
We know what this team is capable of. We know we never do anything the easy way. We know how we perform when the chips are down and the odds are stacked against us. We know our best players will soon start to perform. We we have had terrible luck with injuries. We know how thin the bench looked in recent weeks but we know what it will look like when the full squad is available. And most of us know that our squad when fully fit – despite it being a lot thinner than other teams and costing far less – can compete and beat the best of them.

So myself, I’m looking forward to a great season and praying we can rub some noses in it come May. I’m also looking forward to picking up the the 300 quid my bet will get me then… it will pay for my ale on the trip to the Champion’s League final. I’ll have to beg steal or borrow the ale money for celebrating after it though.

Shankley did it in the 60’s that was the last time a team who last 4 straight went on to win the league.

My own thoughts on the game

Played shite deserved to lose,

My own bugbear with Rafa is why doesn’t he change the system at half time when its not working ?

Another thought – I’d hate to be that kid going into school today- if there was ever a time for pulling a sickie

“The socialism I believe in is not really politics. It is a way of living. It is humanity. I believe the only way to live and to be truly successful is by collective effort, with everyone working for each other, everyone helping each other, and everyone having a share of the rewards at the end of the day.”

Says it all really, eh Dig.

You guys realize that if we beat manure this weekend, we’ll only be 4 points behind them? How can our season be over even now, when we are only 7 points behind with 29 games to go? Hell Manure were behind us by that much later on in the season and still came and won the damn thing. No need for panic boys, just calm down, remember it’s only a game and remember that there is a loooooooong way to go.
This is supposed to be arguably the toughest season for all teams due to lower teams spending more money etc so the teams above are going to lose more. We just have to make sure we lose less from now on. Simple no?

My only concern is that when we do start winning its might be to late, as much as im sure we’ll go on a hot electrify winning run i dont want to be running around in july 2010 saying but this time aquilani is fit from the start, agger is gonna play more games and building myself up for another fall. p.s. i no most people are thinking it but so i’m just gonna say it, its looking like aquilani is making great progress seeing him make his debut with 20mins to go a scoring the winner at the kop end to beat the scum on sunday(that would be so tasty)

Firstly, Rafa took responsibility for the performance. He could have done what fergie normally does but he said it was the performance and the baloon had nothing to do with the end result. Even FS mentioned the squad was already back at training getting worked out.
Kudos to Rafa.

Secondly, I think we have been a tad unlucky this year. We have had the most shots on target but they dont want to go in.
Consider Chelsea and Man utd. Chelsea have had numerous wins in the 90+ minut (ie drogbas criss that went in for a goal) and United (own goals, 96minutes games etc). Where as we have had penalties not given and beachballs.

Eventually things tend to pan out, so if we get a result at united its well and truly on. Everyone is going to be dropping points this season.

FS, any news on aqualanis potential appearance date? Bench vs Lyon?

Off out now lads, but as far as I know Aqualani has only just started doing ball work. So, I think it’s a bit too early to hope to see him in the next few games. And hopefully when he is fit, he won’t get heaped with too much expectation. The lad will need time to get fully fit and adapt to English footy.

Just read that article digger, it scared the ba-jesus outta me.It maybe only ifs an buts in some cases but to see how vulnerable the club is right now is truly unsettling to say the least. As a newcastle fan pointed out he’d swap to be in our position in a second but the reality is if things dont get sorted we could easily be like derby,forest or leeds.

Fuck, imagine if Aquaman was injured on his debut – would need to go to get meself committed for a few weeks to avoid the flack.

Anyway, I see that Lyon lost their fist game of the season this weekend. The only problem being is that rested 4/5 (mostly attacking players) of their first XI in preparation for you know what.

I know that at the start of the season I said that they were not as good as last season but, unfortunately, it seems that they have bought some decent players and the team has gelled quickly.

So expect another tough match tomorrow night. I am hoping for a good reaction from the lads and a decent performance.

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The fella who wrote that article that Digger posted is an absolute shite, who hates LFC and Rafa. On top of that Football365 makes Sly, Talk Shite and The English papers look like dimplomatic voices of reason. And it is usually stuffed to bursting with anti-LFC/Rafa/Scouse articles.

But don’t take that wrong. The article is great, in fact it’s that good here’s the link…
http://football365.com/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746_5638248,00.html

You really should all read it, and the Rafa slaters should really take a long good think about it and themselves.

All I can say is, if that can be written by a Rafa basher, on a sight that never has a good word for us, well…
let’s just say, I hope all our “Beloved Club” “Support” that “bleeds for the club” and “Are married to LFC” either get the message or better still a divorce.

As for tommorrow’s game, it seems Gerrard has had a light training session today but Torres sat it out. So, even if it means losing tomorrow’s game, I would prefer them both to be saved for Sunday if they are not 100% and playing them would risk aggravating their injuries. I’d much rather sacrifice this game rather than risk losing on Sunday.

The mancs have a trip to Moscow to contend with and will have one less day than us to recover. So, if we have all our lads fit we will have that advantage. Also we are at home which will count for something as even the tourists are up for this game. But having said that, all the advantages in the world and even the form book usually go out the window for this game.

Thankfully I am going up there this weekend and I won’t be back here until late afternoon/early evening Monday. So if we do get beat I won’t have to endure the “Beloved” people.

As for Aqualani, I think the best we can hope for is a spot on the bench against Arsenal in the Carling Cup game. In fact, I think that’s the perfect game to debut him… far better and more meaningful game than a reserves game, but a shite competition that no one really cares about, against a footballing team who won’t just kick him off the park.

Hopefully the lad will adjust quickly to the English game. From all I’ve heard, he’s a gem.

I would not like to comment on any of the prior posts. All i can say is whatever FS told in his post #144 is full of ludicrious and nonsensical statements.

All the others who kept on attacking me can continue to do coz i am not gonna stop making my points.

@Burgerman: Your points are valid and makes a lot of sense.

@FS: Time will tell whether i am a true Liverpool supporter or not. You can stop airing your views on that atleast.

Looking forward to the Lyon game.

Great read that Digger. Cheers.

What did you think of it S&S?

Torres is definetely out for tomorrow’s game. Gerrard is in the squad.

FS I thought you wouldn’t be showing your face in here for a while…. after kopblog head-to-head joint leaders, chubby chasers, were overrun at home to the troubled Lurgankop Pathletic.

Wouldn’t risk SG tomorrow either, if he is not fully fit.

Do you think that there is any reason why these guys always seem to get injured on international duty. Different training regimes? Out on the rip? Ying and yang? It’s happened too often now for it not to be a coincidence.

Jaysus! a lot of agro in here these days…best to stay out of it I say!

obviously been a bad few weeks but here’s hoping for a rousing old school, scare the bejesus out of the frenchies early doors tomorrow and a good win. That’ll set up us nicely for the biggest match of our season so far – and I’m headin to Liverpool to watch it. Now we couldn’t get tickets (fell through at last minute) but can any of the Scousers in here recommend any good places to watch the match?

Arthur, I will be there for the game. I can’t promise you anything but I will get round a few people and try to get you a ticket. I’m meeting Knight at the match, and I’ll be taking him round a few pubs and to meet a few people. You are more than wecome to tag along and I will try to get you a ticket then off a few of the lads. If we can’t get one, I’ll at least leave you in a good pub to watch the match in.

Lurgie mate, I missed the fantasy league when I was away and sort of lost interest in it, but I’ll go check it out now. As for Torres and Gerrard getting injuries on international duty, I can never remember it being any different… Roger Hunt, Kevin Keegan, John Barnes, Gerrard. England have always fucked up our players. In fact, they nearly finished a few of them off altogther, Barnes, Redknapp. And Spain were given a specific work out routine for Torres and Rafa blew his top when he found out they weren’t sticking to it.

Right off to sort this league fantasy league melarkey out.

Fuck me, I thought Rafa was struggling with injuries. No wonder I’m getting bladdered in that league. I’ve only been playing with 9 men.

Ah, the classic fantasy league’s manager riposte “I was away and sort of lost interest in it”. I suppose you didn’t see the sending off either

With the all the injuries I had, I went with 5 at the back last week meself and came up with a result. So maybe I could make it in the big-time?

Good shout for Redknapp though. Silky player cut down in his prime just like some other guy that… but I think that I will let it lie there.

Role on the Lyon match and a high-tempo start to blow them away. Amazing how a few beers can change your view on something. Isn’t that right Hyde!

Follow this link and listen to the first question that was posed to Rafa in the Lyon match conference:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8314194.stm

Ridiculous, at least he could have built up to it. The guy deserves a slap. His voice is familiar but can’t put my finger on who it is.

Not a single question about the Lyon match either, although I know that it is cut to suit the ‘watching’ masses, so there was probably one or two in there between the cuts.

Anyway, had enough of this shit and am fucking off to bed.

Bonne Nuit.

A few things struck me watching that, Lurgie mate…

Rafa looks absolutely choka. Think back to his press conferences when he first came here, laughing, joking, full of smiles and dead open and honest with the press. I swear that Liverpool job ages people more than the Prime Minster or President’s jobs. No wonder Dalglish got out saying he would have a heart attack if he kept it any longer, a point proven by both Souness and Houllier.

The disrespect and stupidity of the English media is really beyond the pale…
“Was an opportunity to strenghthen the team in the summer – if the money had been available.”

Fucking no shit Sherlock.

But I love how Rafa takes it all on the chin, especially Beach Ball Gate. The man is a class act. Remember how Steve Bruce screamed like a bird when Arsenal knocked Birmingham out of the Carling Cup on a none goal. In fact, he carried on that much Wenger even replayed the game.

I know Arsene should have went to Spec Savers, but other than that the man’s a class act – and look at the shit he’s had to endure… Paedophile, Vouyer, Basil Fawlty.

Horrible English bastards, why do they do this to decent people in this country?

I swear it does my fucking head in when our own fans turn on Rafa. If there was any decency in English football and it’s media the man would be lionised. Instead we give Knighthood’s to dirty aul tramp millionaire’s who would rather say they’d shit their own kecks than pay a 60 quid fine for driving on the hard shoulder.

Football’s disgusted me for a long time now. Sadly some of our own fans are having the same effect now.

Fuck it you’re right…
Had enough of this shit an all. Off to bed

FS – that’s dead sound of ya. I’m headin with 2 other lads and to be honest if I could even get one – Id give it to my mate (as I have already seen us beat the Scum last year) – but Ill let you know closer to Friday what are plans are – perhaps the gang might not wanna break up if we can’t all get in ya know? Anyway cheers again! To be honest just looking forward to headin over – Liverpool is like Dublin Version 2 (in terms of pubs and craic that is! )

Good read that Digger goes to show what’s at stake if we dont get rid of G&H .
I think the best thing that could have happened was for Moores to sell to the
fans at a decent price and stayed on as a honoured man.
And i rekon if he could turn back time thats what he’d do. because whenever
i see him at the games he looks haunted with the knowledge of what he did.
But unfortunately it wasn’t to be instead he got hoodwinked by G&H with the
help of Parry.
YNWA

Jesus Christ he looks strung out in that interview. Really flushed and…… I dont know what the right word is……exhausted? Overwhelmed? And still the bastards wont leave him alone. I think they hate him and are just revelling in his obvious discomfort. Christ I hope the fans give him a reception tomorrow night like the one he got before the Porto game 2 years ago or like the one Houllier got when he came back for the Roma (I think) game. Fuck he deserves it. And another thing he deserves is that the players fucken turn up for a change. I have a dreadful feeling that he may be losing the dressing room. After the Fiorentina game Rafa tried to assure us We’d never play as bad again. Well, 2 games later…… Gerrards body language all season is WAAAYYY off. Some of Torres’ gesticulations and tantrums have been embarrassing too. Prior to the Bolton game Stevies apologising for somethings that have been said. Prior to the Stoke game wild rumours abound of some kind of bust-up at Melwood between Rafa and someone(?) fueling mass panic and a leading bookie assuring us Rafa would not be at the helm the following Monday. The rumours would appear to be substantiated by John Aldridge confirming that what he has heard has “shocked” him but he wont reveal what he’s heard out of respect for the club until the club makes an official announcement. The club never made a statement. Now, the obvious suspected adversary in this reported bust-up would have to be the 2 parasites but I wonder. I dont remember them being in town that week and certainly not at Melwood (there surely would have been sightings of them leaving). Look, I’m not one for conspiracy theories but things just dont look right to me on the park and they dont feel right. Saturday looked for all the world to me like it was the first time some of these guys had met. And whats more, they appeared to lack any interest in getting to know one another. Rafa flapped and waved and shouted instructions but to no avail. Its this indifference and apathetic lack of urgency that has me fearing the worst for this season and for Rafa. Its not so much the defeats for me, its the manner of them. And so I hope that a good reception for the team and Rafa tomorrow night will provide the impetus for a memorable performance and pressure relieving win. However, Rafa must play his part too and so his selection is crucial. The following team imho will give us the best chance to win: Pepe, Johnson, Dagger, Carra, Insua, Dirk, Stevie, Masch, Riera, Benny, and either Babel or Ngog upfront. I’m inclined to plump for Ngog given Babels abject display Saturday and Ngog’s immediate impact when he came on. But should Rafa agree with Digger(!) and play this team with Babel upfront instead of Ngog I’m quietly confident that Babels pace coupled with Bennys intelligent probing passes into space for him to run onto should still cause Lyon problems. I am against the idea of Dirk up top alone because he simply cant do it. Think Saturday, think the Brittannia last season etc. Besides, Dirks best position for us is right midfield and we may need his defensive acumen a little more than his attacking tomorrow especially with Johnson getting forward. This is a game for aces in there places and I want Dirk where he is most ace. I’d start Insua because Aurelio has simply been awful in his last 2 starts. No slight on the man, just not up to speed yet. Dagger gets my nod because I think we need all the attacking initiative we can get tomorrow. When Stevie pushes on Dagger can move forward to fill that gap and support Masch or even press forward himself if the opportunity arises leaving Masch to cover With Carra. Also, his assured passing and ability to find a red shirt will be indispensible coming out of defence. Hoofing and humping inevitably brings pressure back on us, not something we want with opposition of this quality. Now to address the obvious ommission. I’ve dropped Lucas because, at the risk of the phrase becoming redundant, this is a ‘must win game’. A game where creativity, invention, speed of thought, and cut and thrust are imperative. We must play to our strengths tomorrow night, not line up to nullify theirs. And quite simply Lucas is not a member of our strongest 11. Now lads please dont come in here all guns blazing like I’ve shot your cat. This is my opinion and to be fair ye all know that to be so. So lets not go down old roads on Lucas. We all know where we stand. Anyway, this is not a week for fighting. This is a week for standing up together despite our differences and beating Lyon and then kicking the fuck out of our eternal enemies on Sunday. Together. My hope is for a win tommorow night. My belief is we’ll get one. I’m plumping for 2-0 win, Stevie and Benny. Yeah tomorrow would be a good time to turn up and DEFEND OUR HOUSE STEVIE!! Good night and good luck.

I can emphasise with Rafa
Last season my lad won his league losing 1 game all season but because of
some FA rule him and 2 of his team mates have to stay in U10s so basically we
had 3 good players and 2 ready to play 1st team games
So i try get a couple of mates lads to sign,end up with 1 and with some of the
younger players who haven’t played before we should have a decent team.
Then i ring the dads of the 2 good players from the previous seasons team
to find out they’ve signed for other teams. They had been told by the previous
manager that they wouldn’t be a team this season.
(Even though he knew there was going to be a team).
So now we have 3 younger players who have never played football before
Sept in the 1st team. Our new signing went on holiday and missed 3 games
which meant playing with 4 who had never played previously
Our only goalie has missed the last 3 games through injury,so we’ve had to try
other lads who’ve never played before. 1 win 6 losses.
Damn stressful been a Manager

Digger I reckon Rafa will get the backing of the majority of the fans once they’ve
cleared all the beachballs of the pitch, i’ll be going over to watch it and i’ll make
sure my little section are singing his name.
As for the team your right they all need to turn up and get back to winning ways
if only to lift their spirits,just in time for the Mancs.
YNWA

Nicely done Digger

Great post and your right the fighting should be over and done with now.Well done for fighting the good fight lads (you know who you are).

Now is definitely the time to stand shoulder to shoulder and support our team.

LB like you I was sick as a dog after the Sunderland game and even sicker seeing Steve fucking Bruce going down the tunnel victorious.(my mate tried to talk to me about it and I just said ‘Fuck soccer’ and moved on.

How about respecting Managers then: would Fat Sam have cried again if it was him Bruce attacked? Probably not cause they are Taggarts bottom bitches!

Rafa kept his dignity (Nice one Rafa, I would have broken his nose for the 98th time)

I read all the comments and there’s nothing to be said that hasn’t already been said….Anyone who knows me in here knows where I stand when I comes to loyalty and supporting my team.

So its balls to the wall time again?

I love it!!!

Burgerman well done on predicting the score, congrats bud.I’m both a mad dog and a Paddy so bring on that Dubai sun. I’ve never had the heart to go bet against my team.

Bring on Lyon

Over and out

Heres a good article from the main site

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2009/10/19/why-rafa-could-qui/

Over and out

Ah the problems of management, eh Rome lad. I think it’s all down to your rotation, zonal marking, cack man management and bizzare team selections.

But what’s new.

Glad you can see what is happening Digger. I think with some of the lads in here being removed from the daily dose of Rafa bashing in the media they don’t get the full picture of what’s happening. That’s not a “I told you so”. So please don’t take it as one. It’s impossible. It would be like me trying to tell you what’s happening in Queens or say with the Mets… I could get some information over here and form an opinion but I wouldn’t be seeing it first hand.

Put it this way, have a guess what the main subject on Talk Shite has been… Yep. You got it – Sack Rafa.

It’s alright saying it’s Talk Shite and shouldn’t be heeded but it’s the biggest daily Sports forum in the country. It’s 24/7 and it forms the opinions of most morons, who like the Chuckle Brothers can’t wait to spout their God given right opinions after every set back.

The fact remains that on Saturday, we went behind to a fluke goal inside 5 minutes that meant Sunderland could play on the counter for the rest of the game.

Sunderland are a bloody good side. They were at home. They’d had a squad of fully rested players to prepare for our game for a two week period. We all know what happened to our squad and team. So it was always going to be difficult. That goal just made it impossible.

Which leads me on to the only place where I’d differ with you… I wouldn’t trust Babel to go the shop for me nevermind lead the line. I’d send him out with full and clear instructions and directions… There’s not rush. Just go that way lad. It’s the quickest. Go straight to the Offy bring me back 20 B&H and 12 cans of Carling and you know what… he’d race off at a thousand miles an hour with his head down, completely missing all the turns I showed him, run down blind alley after blind alley, go missing for an hour and a half and come back empty handed after getting completely lost and then only after I’d had to send someone on after him to bring him back.

The lad, in my ever so humble opinion, is Rafa’s worse signing. In fact, seeing I do nothing but defend Rafa, here’s what I think to be his mistakes…
1: Babel, the most un-Rafa-like player I can think of him signing.

Yeah. Yeah… Josemi, Morientes, Dossena, etc, etc, etc. But the fact is, Babel cost us decent money and much was expected of him. Therefore, I think he can be tagged as, if not the one, then certainly Rafa’s biggest fuck up in the transfer market.

You could say what about Keane, but we all know the circumstances surrounding that transfer and at least Rafa offed him immeadiately reducing the damage for all involved – including Robbie. Still think it’s a shame it didn’t work out. I like Keane as a lad and I’m glad it turned out okay for him.

But anyway, in Rafa’s defence, there was plenty of other clubs sniffing round Babel at the time. He was considered to be one of the best young prospects in Europe at the time and I think Rafa jumped in before the price went up and snatched before Wenger or Ferguson – who were both looking at him – could. So, I think it might have been down to panic caused by limited funds – but Rafa should have stuck to his fabled scouting methods. So, all in all – a bad bit of business by Rafa.

Biggest rick on the selling front – Bellamy. We all know why the lad was sold… He’s a f***ing nutcase. But he was our nutcase and I think Rafa should have done more to tame him. I would love to have him playing just off Torres. I think they would make a great pairing. Shame that Bellers seems to have realised his mistakes too late to stay at LFC. He’s fullfilling all his promise at City now that he’s grown up a bit. Stupid Welsh shite. He should have done it at a real club. But, oh well.

He’s too open with the press. Bad mistake that. I think he has used them in lots of ways… Warn the fans what’s really going on. Get his own way. Expose the yanks shennanigans, etc. But he would probably be best keeping schtum. In fact, I think he is now because he’s realised whatever he says, for whatever reason, he’s going to get slaughtered. Shame that though. No there’s not a soul left in football to have a go at The Tramp.

There’s a few other things, but the biggest rick right now… not screaming and screaming until the Sunderland game is replayed. Yep. He’d get slaughtered for it. But he is anyway. No matter how dignified he is – he will always be slammed in the English media. So fuck that. He should kick up fuck – just like Steve Bruce did when he made Arsenal replay a game they won against him with a none goal!

In fact, Rafa should just realise how hated he is by the English and use it to instill a siege mentality inside Anfield. It wouldn’t be hard to do with the Spanish and Scouse lads. He should fuck the press off completely and only talk to the Liverpool Echo.

Going on now, so I’ll just say…
I would go with Kuyt upfront. Remember, this is Europe, not the Prem. He runs the line great in European games and always comes up with the vital goals.

I’d also rest Agger. He’s had 3 games in a week. That’s a lot of football for a lad who hasn’t played in a long time.

So for me it’s…
Reina
Johnson, Carra, Skrtel, Insua
Lucas,Masch
Benny, Riera
Gerrard
Kuyt.

Oh and Rome, I also heard you wasted millions on duff players. It must be true. It was on Sly and Talk Shite and now even some of your own fans are saying it.

Looks like Riera is injured with his hamstring Fatty

Look after Knight for me he’s a hooligan when he gets going

Over and out

Donal Knight has been on the phone saying it’s down to you and your insistence on rotating the beers… remember your traditions lad – never mix the grain and the grape!

One of my favourite aul Paddy sayings that. Love it. Really, really love it.

In seriousness, that’s a cracking piece you’ve linked there. But in all truth, it’s no different than many of us, your good self included, have been saying for a long time.

I constantly worry that Rafa will walk. We will be truly up the kazoo without a paddle or rudder then. But lately I’ve worried more and more about it as fans like the Chuckle Brothers could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

That might seem far fetched, but you have to remember it was only that one lad and his flag that kept Rafa here at the worst of times. The article is right… the man does love us and wants the love back. Can’t say I blame him for that, considering how every other fucker and his dog treat him.

In fact, if this keeps on, I think his job could become intenable and he’ll have no choice but to walk in the end. How can he stay if he becomes nothing but a figure of ridicule and scorn?

But thankfully, Rafa is made of very stern stuff and I think the thing that is keeping him here for now, and will hopefully keep him here for a long time, is the desire and determination to succeed against all the odds and say… “I Fuckin Told You So” to everyone who has slatted him – including our so called own, self proclaimed supporters.

Oh and Donal, I’m going to kop stick for this but…
if Riera is out, I’d play Aurellio or even Dosenna on the left before Babel.

In fact, if I was Rafa I’d call Babel a taxi, pack his bags for him and stick him on the next plane to Ajax. It would serve as a warning to the others… perform or do one.