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		<title>By: Fat Scouser</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisanfield.com/kopblog/2010/01/dances-with-wolves/comment-page-7/#comment-44210</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Scouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ged. No doubt, I&#039;d have been posting in here all bloody night.</description>
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		<title>By: Aitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Shit, Gerry ... there&#039;s a new blog????

Where was I???

oh right... being all full of my own importance arguing with you lot in here.

Aitch ...Exits stage left!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Shit, Gerry &#8230; there&#8217;s a new blog????</p>
<p>Where was I???</p>
<p>oh right&#8230; being all full of my own importance arguing with you lot in here.</p>
<p>Aitch &#8230;Exits stage left!</p>
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		<title>By: Aitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Purslow is between a rock and a hard place... and I&#039;m not the least bit surprised that he didn&#039;t answer some of the questions.

One of them was to ask him how involved he was in the sale of the club to G&amp;H... when he wasn&#039;t even around then?? WTF was that about?

LFC isn&#039;t a publicly owned or traded company, so he was under no obligation to meet with SOS at all, and I think he should get Kudos for doing so and being as forthright as he was (whether in the edited version or the SOS version)

(unless of course it transpires that he is simply a corporate mouthpiece and yes man, attempting to find the best deal for G&amp;H, rather than the &quot;right deal&quot; for LFC?)

But I do think it is ironic at best, to complain that we&#039;re &quot;airing our dirty laundry in public&quot; and that, that &quot;isn&#039;t the Liverpool Way&quot; and then demand that they answer all questions with complete transparency.

My opinion in reading the SOS version, is not that Purslow in some way &quot;ducked the hard questions&quot; or that after the fact, with the issuance of the &quot;official club version of events&quot; that he was involved in some sort of lying cover-up... 
... but that he has in fact, pulled the curtain back just a little further on the Wizards of Oz.

...either way... There&#039;s enough information for an investigative journalist to blow the lid off things... but I doubt it&#039;ll happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Purslow is between a rock and a hard place&#8230; and I&#8217;m not the least bit surprised that he didn&#8217;t answer some of the questions.</p>
<p>One of them was to ask him how involved he was in the sale of the club to G&amp;H&#8230; when he wasn&#8217;t even around then?? WTF was that about?</p>
<p>LFC isn&#8217;t a publicly owned or traded company, so he was under no obligation to meet with SOS at all, and I think he should get Kudos for doing so and being as forthright as he was (whether in the edited version or the SOS version)</p>
<p>(unless of course it transpires that he is simply a corporate mouthpiece and yes man, attempting to find the best deal for G&amp;H, rather than the &#8220;right deal&#8221; for LFC?)</p>
<p>But I do think it is ironic at best, to complain that we&#8217;re &#8220;airing our dirty laundry in public&#8221; and that, that &#8220;isn&#8217;t the Liverpool Way&#8221; and then demand that they answer all questions with complete transparency.</p>
<p>My opinion in reading the SOS version, is not that Purslow in some way &#8220;ducked the hard questions&#8221; or that after the fact, with the issuance of the &#8220;official club version of events&#8221; that he was involved in some sort of lying cover-up&#8230;<br />
&#8230; but that he has in fact, pulled the curtain back just a little further on the Wizards of Oz.</p>
<p>&#8230;either way&#8230; There&#8217;s enough information for an investigative journalist to blow the lid off things&#8230; but I doubt it&#8217;ll happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FS - I&#039;ve just posted a new blog and I&#039;ve only just got through reading today&#039;s comments. Had I read them beforehand I might have written something a little different but strangely I guess the one I&#039;ve posted sorta relates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FS &#8211; I&#8217;ve just posted a new blog and I&#8217;ve only just got through reading today&#8217;s comments. Had I read them beforehand I might have written something a little different but strangely I guess the one I&#8217;ve posted sorta relates.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Scouser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Scouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said Keith, I understand your point. And obviously SOS thought long and hard before releasing the minutes.

But at the end of the day, SOS are only representing their member - not all LFC fans. In deed, they go to length in making this plain and also make it plain that some LFC fans are in direct opposition to them. Therefore, they only act on their membership&#039;s mandate and votes... this is all out war on H&amp;G until they are driven from the club - and that this should be made absolutely clear and all dealings must be kept transparent.

So, they&#039;ve done the right thing by their paying membership. But on top of that, it&#039;s also made it absolutely clear how desperate H&amp;G are to off load the club. Which can only be a good thing.

It also made it absolutely plain that they will not be investing in the team and that they can&#039;t pay for any work to start on the stadium... exposing the last round of lies by H&amp;G.

In fact, for once, this is a story out of Anfield that doesn&#039;t have to picked over, read between the lines, or searched for hidden meanings.... apart from the questions Purslow refused to ask, it&#039;s all there in plain black and white.

But one of the huge things that I think it&#039;s exposed is this... RSB are the last house on the block and they are about to pull the shutters. And this is where I think Purslow is protected anyway... there&#039;s no way the yanks will sack him as he might be there employee but it&#039;s plain he&#039;s now pretty much acting on behalf of the bank.

So, I think Purslow is pretty much safe and I also think SOS came to this conclusion but had no choice but to release all this. Here&#039;s just one reason why...
RSB are demanding 100 million. City are willing to pay that for Torres. I know exactly what the Yanks would do with that sort of maths.

But besides that and any other considerations... Look at how Purslow tried to get the union to agree to no more action until Easter. What then, a request for co-operation until the end of the season?

Well, based on all that&#039;s gone before, I&#039;d say that is pretty much likely the next step. 

Then what, the World Cup is on. We can&#039;t really act no so give us until kick off after the summer?  

Once again, I could see that being the most likely outcome. But I also think there would be plenty of work going on in the background - none of it to the club&#039;s advantage - while we sat quietly by doing nothing.

What then? Well, why did Purslow refuse to answer when questioned on why Share Liverpool aren&#039;t being considered as first wave investors, and why did he refuse to let the union question/met any potential new investors?

And I could go on. But me point is... yes. I agree with you in lots of ways. It seems it could have been done differently and that the union could have shot themselves in the foot. 

In fact, at first look it even seems the union has fought dirty, but I when I consider it fully, I think the union have done the right thing and let&#039;s face it... the Yanks aren&#039;t exactly fighting by The Marquess of Queensbury rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said Keith, I understand your point. And obviously SOS thought long and hard before releasing the minutes.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, SOS are only representing their member &#8211; not all LFC fans. In deed, they go to length in making this plain and also make it plain that some LFC fans are in direct opposition to them. Therefore, they only act on their membership&#8217;s mandate and votes&#8230; this is all out war on H&amp;G until they are driven from the club &#8211; and that this should be made absolutely clear and all dealings must be kept transparent.</p>
<p>So, they&#8217;ve done the right thing by their paying membership. But on top of that, it&#8217;s also made it absolutely clear how desperate H&amp;G are to off load the club. Which can only be a good thing.</p>
<p>It also made it absolutely plain that they will not be investing in the team and that they can&#8217;t pay for any work to start on the stadium&#8230; exposing the last round of lies by H&amp;G.</p>
<p>In fact, for once, this is a story out of Anfield that doesn&#8217;t have to picked over, read between the lines, or searched for hidden meanings&#8230;. apart from the questions Purslow refused to ask, it&#8217;s all there in plain black and white.</p>
<p>But one of the huge things that I think it&#8217;s exposed is this&#8230; RSB are the last house on the block and they are about to pull the shutters. And this is where I think Purslow is protected anyway&#8230; there&#8217;s no way the yanks will sack him as he might be there employee but it&#8217;s plain he&#8217;s now pretty much acting on behalf of the bank.</p>
<p>So, I think Purslow is pretty much safe and I also think SOS came to this conclusion but had no choice but to release all this. Here&#8217;s just one reason why&#8230;<br />
RSB are demanding 100 million. City are willing to pay that for Torres. I know exactly what the Yanks would do with that sort of maths.</p>
<p>But besides that and any other considerations&#8230; Look at how Purslow tried to get the union to agree to no more action until Easter. What then, a request for co-operation until the end of the season?</p>
<p>Well, based on all that&#8217;s gone before, I&#8217;d say that is pretty much likely the next step. </p>
<p>Then what, the World Cup is on. We can&#8217;t really act no so give us until kick off after the summer?  </p>
<p>Once again, I could see that being the most likely outcome. But I also think there would be plenty of work going on in the background &#8211; none of it to the club&#8217;s advantage &#8211; while we sat quietly by doing nothing.</p>
<p>What then? Well, why did Purslow refuse to answer when questioned on why Share Liverpool aren&#8217;t being considered as first wave investors, and why did he refuse to let the union question/met any potential new investors?</p>
<p>And I could go on. But me point is&#8230; yes. I agree with you in lots of ways. It seems it could have been done differently and that the union could have shot themselves in the foot. </p>
<p>In fact, at first look it even seems the union has fought dirty, but I when I consider it fully, I think the union have done the right thing and let&#8217;s face it&#8230; the Yanks aren&#8217;t exactly fighting by The Marquess of Queensbury rules.</p>
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		<title>By: KeithSA</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing is for sure the closer they get to the deadline the more the percentage will rise for that 100mill.  Anything over 26% will effectively curtail their rule by decree. Any investor whose half intelligent will want that as a minimum. I can honestly see them selling up and riding out of dodge if they get an offer with a decent profit or worse case remain as a minority investor, recoup their investment and go along for the free ride. The danger in that would be if the new owners pump money in because their shares will be further diluted. They will probably only allow that as a shareholders loan and not investment to maintain parity. 

Their egos must have been sorely dented, firstly not being able to get into the club they own, secondly getting in and having to stay because they could not get out safely.  Must go down well in their all gentleman’s club, “The Shagging Steer” 

The constant leaking of their financial position, the skint billionaires, being forced to sell the Texas Rangers, Montreal Canadians, forced to sell Liverpool or find an investor must have caused and is causing them serious embarrassment issues. It couldn’t have happened to nicer people.  Our custodians are getting a bit of payback, a right old rogering the Texas way. It was warming to see RSB flexing their muscles on our behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing is for sure the closer they get to the deadline the more the percentage will rise for that 100mill.  Anything over 26% will effectively curtail their rule by decree. Any investor whose half intelligent will want that as a minimum. I can honestly see them selling up and riding out of dodge if they get an offer with a decent profit or worse case remain as a minority investor, recoup their investment and go along for the free ride. The danger in that would be if the new owners pump money in because their shares will be further diluted. They will probably only allow that as a shareholders loan and not investment to maintain parity. </p>
<p>Their egos must have been sorely dented, firstly not being able to get into the club they own, secondly getting in and having to stay because they could not get out safely.  Must go down well in their all gentleman’s club, “The Shagging Steer” </p>
<p>The constant leaking of their financial position, the skint billionaires, being forced to sell the Texas Rangers, Montreal Canadians, forced to sell Liverpool or find an investor must have caused and is causing them serious embarrassment issues. It couldn’t have happened to nicer people.  Our custodians are getting a bit of payback, a right old rogering the Texas way. It was warming to see RSB flexing their muscles on our behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: KeithSA</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point completely FS and I welcome the news that the Yanks are in the shit, but the news could have come out while still protecting Purslow. By posting the two interviews undermines him not the Yanks because the truth is the truth and if an anonymous source posted a comment from a deep throat inside the club the result would have been the same while keeping Purslow integrity in tacked. 

What SOS has accomplished is to alienate a fellow supporter with the same objectives as them and us while drying up the inside track on more information going forward.  By not protecting their source they have rendered him ineffective to sway the Yanks because they will now understand that he has ulterior motives and is working against them and worse, plainly for all to see in that interview, he despises them as much as the rest of us. Not a great position to be in with  bosses who know your true agenda and true feelings towards them. Will you trust an employee who has put the proverbial knife in your back when he says this is a great deal you should take it and run?  

He would be out the door in an instant if it was me. How does that help us and SOS achieve the correct results when they will just pick and ensure they put a yes man and loyalist in his place.  

A constant leaking of this information to the press, as to the content of the interview, would have achieved the same results and kept up the pressure on the Yanks while safe guarding an ally and fellow supporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point completely FS and I welcome the news that the Yanks are in the shit, but the news could have come out while still protecting Purslow. By posting the two interviews undermines him not the Yanks because the truth is the truth and if an anonymous source posted a comment from a deep throat inside the club the result would have been the same while keeping Purslow integrity in tacked. </p>
<p>What SOS has accomplished is to alienate a fellow supporter with the same objectives as them and us while drying up the inside track on more information going forward.  By not protecting their source they have rendered him ineffective to sway the Yanks because they will now understand that he has ulterior motives and is working against them and worse, plainly for all to see in that interview, he despises them as much as the rest of us. Not a great position to be in with  bosses who know your true agenda and true feelings towards them. Will you trust an employee who has put the proverbial knife in your back when he says this is a great deal you should take it and run?  </p>
<p>He would be out the door in an instant if it was me. How does that help us and SOS achieve the correct results when they will just pick and ensure they put a yes man and loyalist in his place.  </p>
<p>A constant leaking of this information to the press, as to the content of the interview, would have achieved the same results and kept up the pressure on the Yanks while safe guarding an ally and fellow supporter.</p>
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		<title>By: Aitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a two edged sword FS.

I agree we (all fans) need to be waging all out war, as they (G&amp;H) are on the high ground with the position of power... but on the surface, it would appear from one or two things said, that Purslow is &quot;on our side&quot; as it were (as much as he can be in his position.)

I think there are some very, very &quot;telling&quot; comments in both versions of the minutes.

I made a comment a few blogs back that I felt there was a helluva lot more to what&#039;s going on at LFC than we can see, or are being told.

My comment was discounted as &quot;conspiracy theory&quot; and I was more or less told to &quot;steady on&quot; ...as though I was some complete fuckin nutjob claiming to have been abducted by aliens and subjected to anal-probing with a cattle prod (not enjoyable by any means, but as it turned out, not nearly as uncomfortable as it sounds... not that the experience opened up new lifestyle horizons for me... ;) but I digress... )

Purslow seems to me, to have put himself in an awkward position... 
Is this his &quot;I&#039;m just concentrating on coaching my team&quot; moment? 
Was this his way of throwing open the doors on pandoras box? (...as Rafa did before we all learned about the Klinssman affair?)

Its a long read, but like re-watching a game, a lot can be learned from a 2nd read...

There is a LOT going on in those statements.

A number of them indicate to me, that like Rafa, Purslow is perhaps doing his job with one hand tied behind his back?

One of the more eye opening statements, indicates that the RBS wants G&amp;H out, and no longer wants to deal with them.

The idea that G&amp;H have &quot;no money&quot; ...when they have both recently pocketed upwards of 300 million EACH ...from the sales of their other &quot;sports franchises&quot; .... hmmm?
...If you do the math, they probably have invested close to  the stated &quot;130 million of their own money&quot; into the club over their tenure... (20 each for the initial purchase, the &quot;usual 20 million&quot; for 2 subsequent transfer seasons, [only 10 each and a questionable claim at best?] 20 each to secure the refinance loan... might get them close) ....but then again... something like 120 million has gone &quot;unaccounted for&quot; from the books in that time... soooo....???


Maybe SOS dropped Purslow in the shite with these revelations... maybe he dropped himself in it by saying too much?

I&#039;ve had a long running suspicion that as soon as he gets any investment in, Purslow would be axed anyway. 
He seems a bit too cushy with Rafa for the owners to allow that to grow into a &quot;power base&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a two edged sword FS.</p>
<p>I agree we (all fans) need to be waging all out war, as they (G&amp;H) are on the high ground with the position of power&#8230; but on the surface, it would appear from one or two things said, that Purslow is &#8220;on our side&#8221; as it were (as much as he can be in his position.)</p>
<p>I think there are some very, very &#8220;telling&#8221; comments in both versions of the minutes.</p>
<p>I made a comment a few blogs back that I felt there was a helluva lot more to what&#8217;s going on at LFC than we can see, or are being told.</p>
<p>My comment was discounted as &#8220;conspiracy theory&#8221; and I was more or less told to &#8220;steady on&#8221; &#8230;as though I was some complete fuckin nutjob claiming to have been abducted by aliens and subjected to anal-probing with a cattle prod (not enjoyable by any means, but as it turned out, not nearly as uncomfortable as it sounds&#8230; not that the experience opened up new lifestyle horizons for me&#8230; <img src='http://www.thisisanfield.com/kopblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  but I digress&#8230; )</p>
<p>Purslow seems to me, to have put himself in an awkward position&#8230;<br />
Is this his &#8220;I&#8217;m just concentrating on coaching my team&#8221; moment?<br />
Was this his way of throwing open the doors on pandoras box? (&#8230;as Rafa did before we all learned about the Klinssman affair?)</p>
<p>Its a long read, but like re-watching a game, a lot can be learned from a 2nd read&#8230;</p>
<p>There is a LOT going on in those statements.</p>
<p>A number of them indicate to me, that like Rafa, Purslow is perhaps doing his job with one hand tied behind his back?</p>
<p>One of the more eye opening statements, indicates that the RBS wants G&amp;H out, and no longer wants to deal with them.</p>
<p>The idea that G&amp;H have &#8220;no money&#8221; &#8230;when they have both recently pocketed upwards of 300 million EACH &#8230;from the sales of their other &#8220;sports franchises&#8221; &#8230;. hmmm?<br />
&#8230;If you do the math, they probably have invested close to  the stated &#8220;130 million of their own money&#8221; into the club over their tenure&#8230; (20 each for the initial purchase, the &#8220;usual 20 million&#8221; for 2 subsequent transfer seasons, [only 10 each and a questionable claim at best?] 20 each to secure the refinance loan&#8230; might get them close) &#8230;.but then again&#8230; something like 120 million has gone &#8220;unaccounted for&#8221; from the books in that time&#8230; soooo&#8230;.???</p>
<p>Maybe SOS dropped Purslow in the shite with these revelations&#8230; maybe he dropped himself in it by saying too much?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a long running suspicion that as soon as he gets any investment in, Purslow would be axed anyway.<br />
He seems a bit too cushy with Rafa for the owners to allow that to grow into a &#8220;power base&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Scouser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Scouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Keith, I can see your point but can&#039;t agree... 
SOS have made it plain that it&#039;s all out warfare against H&amp;G. This is the mandate of the members. So I&#039;m glad they are keeping everything absolutely transparent and being true to their word. And anyway, you can&#039;t make an omellette without cracking a few eggs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Keith, I can see your point but can&#8217;t agree&#8230;<br />
SOS have made it plain that it&#8217;s all out warfare against H&amp;G. This is the mandate of the members. So I&#8217;m glad they are keeping everything absolutely transparent and being true to their word. And anyway, you can&#8217;t make an omellette without cracking a few eggs.</p>
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		<title>By: LondonBarnes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We close to signing a pre contract with Milan Jovanovic!</description>
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