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I was very sad to hear the news yesterday and I am gutted that Rafa Benitez is no longer our manager. Some people say football is like a religion and it’s easy to see why. Take Rafa for example, he arrived as a saviour, performed a few miracles, was betrayed from within and then was crucified alongside two thieves!
It all sounds spookily familiar and it’s just a pity he couldn’t have done the old loaves and fishes trick with the measly transfer budgets he was given to work with. He wasn’t perfect and there’s no doubt he made a few mistakes along the way but as I’ve said many times before on this blog, in my opinion his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses and I thought we would do well to stick with him for another while longer and at least give him next season to turn things around, as he has turned things around in the past.
I honestly believe that had he been given the right sort of backing from the start he would have delivered the title at least once or twice over his six year tenure. His spending has always been a contentious issue and the subject of much false reporting and meaningless comparisons in the media and on certain false flag webshites. Yet another example of lazy journalism for lazy “supporters” who can’t seem to think for themselves.
I’m not exactly a genius and just like the other 117% of the population , I’m pretty useless at maths! But it only takes a little bit of common sense to see that you just cannot make any fair spending comparisons between Benitez and any of the other top bosses. The reasons why should be obvious to most people but for those lacking the necessary grey matter, let me try to explain in the simplest possible terms.
Back in 2004 when Rafa arrived, the mancs and the arse had been pretty much sharing the title between them in the preceding years so they both had already built up strong squads and were in a position where they only needed to add one or two new faces here and there to freshen things up. As for the chavs, if memory serves they had just finished runners-up in the league and got to the quarters or semis of the CL before the Special-needs One arrived, so their squad was also pretty much in place even before he spent another £200 or £300 million on them.
Rafa on the other hand inherited a squad full of deadwood that had to be almost entirely rebuilt and just over 3 years later only three players remained from that original squad, Hyypia, Carra and Gerrard. So you just can’t make any meaningful spending comparisons over a five year period between a team that is starting with a strong squad and one that doesn’t even half of one.
Anyway that just one example of many media myths written by the gormless and believed by the brainless, almost all of their stories have been as fake as Katie Prices tits!. Of course nobody should be above criticism (unless of course you happen to be the manager of the mancs!) but as soon as he arrived at the same time as Moaninho, the media seemed to hail Jose as a hero and set Rafa up as the villain of the piece.
The man was completely hounded by the press almost from the first moment he arrived. The squad rotation myth, the zonal marking myth, the spending myth and the man management myth as well as constantly having his words twisted by the press in almost every interview he gave them. For one example of many you only have to remember back to the early stages of last season when in an after match interview he said he was looking for more from the senior players which seemed a reasonable statement but the press spun it into him directly criticising Gerrard and Carra.
That’s not to say that he is completely blameless but the guy has had more knives in his back then Julius Caesar and in many ways I suppose he never stood a chance. The media seemed to have some kind of agenda against him, he was let down by the board, let down by a certain section of our “support” and, in my opinion, let down by some of his players.
I find it interesting that at the time of writing this, only the great Pepe Reina has come out and thanked the boss for what he did for him and said how sad he is to see him go, and he is also the only one who has firmly nailed his colours to the wall in terms of his own future and stated that he will be carrying on at Anfield regardless. I really welcomed Pepe’s words yesterday which for me show that he is not only a great goalkeeper, but also a great man and I suspect it won’t be long before The Kop bestows him with Legendary status and perhaps even a song or two!
But where are the rest of them? Pepe’s World Cup preparations didn’t prevent him from taking five minutes to reassure our fans but what about the others? Where are our “heroes”, our so called “dyed in the wool” Reds when we need them? Nowhere!
No doubt we’ll hear some dribs and drabs from some of them in the days to come and I’m sure many of them are busy discussing the implications of this news with their agents and PR consultants and they will get around to us peasants eventually! Some may wait to see who the new manager will be before committing themselves but surely it shouldn’t make a difference to them who the new man is, afterall they are all sitting with fat contracts in their back pockets so surely, if they do actually care about the club, it wouldn’t be asking too much for them to give the new man at least a season regardless of who he is. Players in the modern game really are pathetic aren’t they?
Anyway we could argue all day about the rights and wrongs of the situation but the fact is Rafa’s gone now and we’ve got to try to move forward. I’m doing my best to remain positive and telling myself that maybe it was time to freshen things up, but I guess we’ll find out soon enough. It’s difficult to see how this mess is going to work itself out but apparently the quest for a new manager has begun.
In all honesty, I had hoped to be really clever here and put forward a name that nobody else had suggested yet but with one over-riding exception, I really haven’t got a Scooby Doo who they should appoint. I’ll get on to my choice shortly but I’m hoping the other guys on the site can bail me out once again with a few more creative choices.
I would suggest that if anyone is hoping for Gus Haddock or Louis Segull, they should forget about it because I doubt managers of their ilk would touch us with a barge pole given our uncertain future and lack of meaningful transfer funds. Dropping down a level to some of the other names suggested such as Moaning O’Neill, Alex Macbeth and Roy Hodgson. Of those three I only like Hodgson.
At 62 and on a one year rolling contract at Fulham, he would be available and I think he would jump at the chance of possibly finishing his career on a high note at Anfield. He has bags of experience at all levels and might be a safe pair of hands but while I don’t wish to be unkind to a man I have a lot of respect for, I’m not sure he is the type of name who will really inspire confidence in some of our players and fans alike.
So I’ve been trawling through some of our ex-players hoping to find an inspired choice but there’s not a lot there. We all love the likes of John Barnes and Gary Mac but their managerial records don’t make for pretty reading and please don’t even mention Keegan, a man who has left more posts than a retired mailman!
So for me, I just can’t see anyone who ticks as many of the boxes as my all-time hero King Kenny. The big negative against him is that he has been out of management for so long but on the other hand he has been back at Anfield for the last year, so he will be familiar with everything and he would also have Sammy Lee to help bring him up to speed on team matters etc.
The other big plus point about King Kenny is that he is a hugely respected figure in the game, in the media and among players and fans alike at Anfield, not to mention the fact that he is well able to deal with the likes of Ferguson and the like, in fact those of us of a certain age will no doubt remember that there is no love lost between them. So overall I think he would have a lot of good will if he took the role and how long that good will lasts will depend on results.
I’m not sure if Kenny would even want to be getting back into management at this stage of his life but I think there’s little doubt that he is the one appointment we could make that would give everybody a lift. I know I’m a bit old to be believing in fairytales and in football you should never go back but wouldn’t it be fantastic to see King Kenny in our dugout again?
I’m sorry that I can’t think of anything more inventive than The Return of the King but if I was to put my money on a real long shot then what about Thommo? I remember when he took over during Gerard Houllier’s serious health problems and while he was in charge we went on a long unbeaten run and he won two Manager of the Month awards. Obviously he stepped back down again when Houllier came back but if you’re looking for someone who’s Liverpool through and through, he would certainly be the man.
Anyway guys, all we can do us keep our chins up and hope for the best because no matter what the future holds we’ll all still be here, pissing against the wind and doing our best to cheer the team on, or at least most of us will!
On a final note, I just want to say thank you to Rafa Benitez. For that magical night in Istanbul, for that great FA Cup final against Wet Spam, for the other trophies we picked up, the other finals we got to, the terrific football we played at times particularly the season before last when we came within a whisker of winning the impossible, for making us the number one ranked team in Europe and for getting rid of Harry Kewell! But most of all thanks for always doing your best and keeping us afloat in the most difficult of circumstances. Thanks Rafa and all the best in the future, YNWA.
Keep the Faith
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Kop Till I Die
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 6:44 pm
A very sad day for Liverpool FC. This is not the Liverpool way of doing things! Gracias, Senor Rafa. You’ll Never Walk Alone!
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Kop Till I Die
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 6:49 pm
Unless King Kenny takes over, I wonder what’s gonna happen to the academy Rafa was building! He has been instilling the Shankly Spirit and with the peanuts these Yank bastards were providing him during the summer, the best way forward was to build the academy where players can be groomed and not bought at inlated prices! But these dicks just cudn’t wait till the fruit ripes, cud they? I dread seeing my beloved Liverpool FC do a Leeds United! IN GOD WE TRUST!
And Rafa, thanks for Istanbul 2005 especially .. One of the greatest part of my life as a Liverpool die hard!
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rafamuffin
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 7:33 pm
I don’t think kenny is the answer we need a modern coach to take us forward.
My ist choice would be rafa but obviously thats not going to happen.
All my other choices are not available.When people talk about hodgeson i would suggest that he’s had a lot more bad seasons than rafa over the years.If he was a young manager i could understand but he’s in his sixties for christ sakes no more than a stopgap in my opinion.Martin o,neill will probably get it not my ist choice but probablly not the end of the world.
My ist choice would be frank rijkaard he probably won’t be interested but of the managers available he would be my preferred choice and having been at barca would be someone the spanish players and coaching staff could relate to.
Which would hopefully mean less upheaval.
PS looking at our goals conceded record in the EPL 35 goals out of 38 matches is not bad we just needed more goals at the other end.
IE 1 more class striker last season and thing would have been different and you have to think rafa wanted to replace keane but was not allowed by the money men.
Who are now trying to blame him for the poor performance last season.
How the fuck are they getting away with it.
I do think some supporters beleive what the sky sports and other pundits spout.
Even Hansen who is my favourite pundit saying the next manager will inherit a worst squad than rafa did.What is he smoking
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 7:56 pm
Rafamuffin, but could you please change your avatar from Hiddink to something else. I am probably out of place here, but why let a bad habit ruin a perfectly good blog.
Sorry for derailing the blog Gerry!
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McrRed
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 8:11 pm
Gerry, thanks again for all your hard work throughout this most trying of seasons/summers!
Thommo has been unusual in that he has been a voice of reason amongst the ex-players. He has spoke out well against the Leeches. For that reason he isn;t the yes-man they’re going to appoint and I don’t think he’ll get a look in.
I’m with Muffin – I want Rafa back…
Is he available?
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rafamuffin
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 8:41 pm
Sorry lurgan i was pissing about with my profile yesterday and i thought i could change it back straightaway but it seems to take a day to change back i was hoping no one would notice sorry all
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 8:59 pm
No worries Mr Muffin.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 9:07 pm
Hi Gerry. I left a comment in the last blog. I was going to leave it at that, but having read this blog, I want to comment…
Firstly mate, there is no one to replace Rafa.
I know you’re gutted that he’s gone, and I understand that you, like all of us, have to look to the future – it’s not a pretty picture.
For 2 years we were warned by SOS. I spent far longer in here doing the same thing. Well, it’s come to pass now. And a quick look through the managerial prospects should be enough to tell even the biggest of Rafa haters/doubters, that we were right.
I haven’t came in here to say I told you so though. The good amongst you knew anyway, and the idiots, well, I can’t even be arsed with them. As far as I’m concerned they are every bit as culpable as H&G, Purslow, Bought-man, and the media. But I would like them to ask themselves this…
Why has Liverpool FC – a club famous for not sacking manager’s, even bad ones just sacked the most successful manager we’ve had in 20 years, even though the large majority of the fans wanted him to stay?
Well go on then geniuses… why?
Well I’ll tell you fuckin why… H&G have now removed the last obstacle in their way – at least the only one with any real clout anyway.
Some of us will not lie down. There are things being done. But the one man we had on the inside, the one man who was able to fight them, has no been removed… I hope you’re happy now. But how long before you call for MON’s head when he is jumping up and down like a monkey on a stick because his long ball team have just been beaten again?
Footballing reasons my arse. Rafa was removed for one single reason… H&G are now free to do whatever they want to the club with no whistle blower there to alert us to what is going on.
For god’s sake think…
Bought-man installed to only oversee the sale of the club, offers Rafa Benitez 6 million to leave.
Yes. Rafa wasn’t sacked. We paid him to leave. That’s right. We paid a coach to leave when most of Europe’s top clubs want to give him a fortune to join.
Why?
Why did Bought-man – the Chelsea season ticket holder – fire the bullets?
Well, if you think back as soon as Rafa went on holiday, Boughtman was in all the papers advising Torres that he should leave as it would probably take years to sell the club and get it back on track.
Which no doubt it will, especially with a cunt, a failed cunt an all, working one day a week to sell it.
As for Purse-low… do you know it was him that leaked the “news” to the media – and not only the media, but his mate Bascombe at the News Of The World, or as it’s known in Liverpool – The Sunday Sun.
Make no bones about it, these 2 creatures of the night were brought into LFC with one remit… get shot of Rafa Benitez.
You think I’m talking bollacks… how much did Rafa have to fight them for just to bring in a centre back before the transfer window shut…
Yep. 1 and a half paltry fuckin pound.
But at least we had a manager who was prepared to fight them for it. What now?
Well, that’s that… Hicks, Gillette, Purslow and Bought-man hire who the fuck they want and set about asset stripping.
Far fetched… Boughtman has already pretty much told Torres to join Chelsea, and while he was at it, informed the rest of them that the ship was about to sink and they should jump for the life boats before they were all gone.
So don’t be wondering when it’s all going to start going down the shitter… it already has. It started as soon as that pair of bastards turned up waving dollars in the air and saying bollacks about spades in grounds and Snoogy Doogy. You’ve been warned for at least 2 years what was happening and where it was going. Some of you just stuck your head in the sand and nodded along as Ronnie Whelan and the likes conducted you.
I feel really sorry for the good lads in here, like I feel sorry for myself, my mates, family and all other good reds. As for the rest of you…
Well out of respect for Gerry and the other good lads I’ll leave that alone and just say… it’s not all total dispair.
There are things being worked on. And it’s not boycotts or anything like that. They’d never work with the amount of morons we have following us nowadays. But there are good things that clever people are working on. I can’t say too much, but I’d just like to reassure the decent reds in here that there is some people, people far smarter than me, proffesional people, lawyers, bankers and so on, working on things that could still save the little we have left.
Sadly that proved far too late for Rafa. And that’s a crying shame. I for one, know that he nearly did it, despite all the shite, he had us back to the brink of greatness. And I will always be grateful to him for what he did. I will miss him terribly, and the likes of you bastards who helped Hicks and Gillette stab him in the back… well, decency alone stops me from me saying what I really think of you moronic traitorous bastards.
Usted nunca andara solo, Rafa la’.
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 9:20 pm
FS, is there anyway I can help out here? Do you have a private email where I can contact you at?
Yours fucked off, and angry,
Lurgankop
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 9:29 pm
-o-
Yes. Rafa wasn’t sacked. We paid him to leave. That’s right. We paid a coach to leave when most of Europe’s top clubs want to give him a fortune to join.
Why?
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Also why did H&G spend our entire summer transfer budget on getting rid of the best manager that we have had for the past 25 years. Maybe it makes sense to some of you but not me!
On top of this they wait until Rafa is on vacation until announcing the ‘boards’ decision. Getting angrier by the second.
Maybe some of you think I am a tit, but I can see a foreign deadly force coming my way when I see one. I spent my youth in Northern Ireland and these two fuckers need knee-capped!
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rome77
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 12:17 am
Right lads ive not read the comments nor the blog as ive just come back from sunning myself in the Dales ( no TV/phone signal or newspapers ) and ive just found out whats gone on, in the last hour and my gut instinct is telling me the Liverpool Way as just been replaced with the Leeds Way or Newcastle Way if we’re lucky .
G&H and a Chav fan running the show with purslow and Ayres raking it in for them.
My only hope is Kenny can hold the fort untill new owners are found.
YNWA
PS To all those backstabbing b*stards who have aided and abetted the Media and G&H with there little vendetta’s on the forums and phone ins
GO F*CK YOURSELVES
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gazmaninaus
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:28 am
Ok lads time for some reflection, lets remember when Ged went, we thought the world was ending, then along comes Rafa. We always rise.
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So the situation is we have lost our manager.
1. He was lucky enough to manage the greatest team in the world.
2. He had a lucrative contract.
3. Adoring fans.
4. Left with a golden handshake.
5. Sitting back on a beach waiting for countless offers to arrive. (and they will).
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Football management is not a long term one job prospect, he and every other manager knows that.
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Maybe Carra’s rant about not wanting to be in the club, go elsewhere, etc, was aimed at players and management alike. I though since Christmas Rafa has managed like SG played, almost disinterested.
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Maybe his time was up, who knows, but the issue for the hysteria is the two fucksticks, they are the problem.
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Also large portion of fan clammering for King Kenny to take the reigns, my thoughts on this, if King Kenny truely thinks the Liverpool Way has been shafted, he should walk out of the club in support of Rafa.
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Otherwise if he’s prepared to assist the Yanks, then he must have agreed with the outcome. If he then becomes their mouth piece what history and standing he has will be destroyed. (Don’t do it Kenny).
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Indeed Gerry this is a sad time for our club, but it will eventually turn around and all this will be fabric in our history.
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And before I get slated, I’m not a traitor, for fuck sake I don’t even own a Torres Shirt, I’ve abided by a self imposed boycott since they took over. I’m am trying to be positive about our future.
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Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:34 am
As the new blog is up, I’m gonna put my response here to Digger’s unprovoked personal swipe at #149 in the last blog.
Digger, what the fuck is your problem? What else can you suggest on bringing the club back? Are you going to personally buy the club and pay off the debts yourself? Exactly.
I take great offense in your personal dig at me out of the blue just for me voicing my sentiments and I demand an apology at once. I am also formally lodging a complaint against you to Gerry until you do so.
PS Thanks for defending me, FS.
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McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 8:23 am
An unusual source for a cut & paste from RAWK:
http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/channel/Leadership/news/1007950/no-rid-manager/
No way to get rid of a manager
Date: 04-Jun-10
“As Liverpool’s treatment of Rafael Benitez shows, the normal rules of business just don’t apply in football.
Top-level football is big business these days – the playground of oligarchs, billionaire oil sheiks, and international financiers. Yet the normal rules of business still don’t seem to apply. The latest in a long list of examples of how not to treat your manager comes from Liverpool, where Rafael Benitez has just been ousted after a long and very public row with his paymasters. If PLCs are ever worried about the shortcomings of their own governance, one look at the likes of Liverpool should be enough to show them what a dysfunctional boardroom really looks like…
Click here to find out more!
It’s not so much the fact that Benitez is out of a job. In football, more than in most organisations, managers are accountable for a team’s performance – so after a relatively disastrous season, in which Liverpool won nothing and finished in their lowest league position for over a decade, there was a decent argument for a change at the top. What really grates is the way this unedifying saga has been played out in the press over the last year or so, with both sides apparently briefing journalists off-the-record and using the media to get their story across – rather than just talking to each other, as they do in normal organisations.
To be fair, Benitez has been just as guilty of this as the club’s much-reviled owners, US financiers Tom Hicks and George Gillett (who are doing their level best to undermine the ‘special relationship’, at least on Merseyside). But this week’s endgame – it emerged yesterday morning that Benitez had been offered a £3m severance package to quit, effectively making his position untenable – was still a shoddy and undignified way to force out a manager who remains popular with many Liverpool fans (unlike the owners, the MD, and their new Chelsea-supporting chairman, BA’s Martin Broughton).
Sometimes, managers have to be moved on. It’s not a nice situation, and it’s difficult for all concerned, so it needs to be dealt with quickly, professionally and in a way that respects the dignity of the leaver. That’s particularly true if you’re an organisation that prides itself on doing its business behind closed doors, in a decent and low-profile manner, as Liverpool does (this is what fans of the club often call proudly ‘The Liverpool Way’). The handling of this situation couldn’t be further removed from that.
We’re not exactly surprised (even financially, different rules seem to apply to football – during the recent collapse of Portsmouth, it emerged that the club continued paying seven-figure wages to its players while reneging on commitments to the taxman and local charities). And, not least because of his rumoured £6m pay-off, Benitez isn’t entirely a victim here. But it’s still no way to run an organisation, of any stripe. We’re going to send Messrs Broughton and Purslow a copy of our new book ‘The Management Masterclass’, and offer them a special discounted rate on the MT/ Mindgym Masterclass training course
Being a non football site, I can forgive them a few popular press induced errors in there. I love the ending though.
Too fecking right”
ps FS you’re a legend!
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 9:09 am
Morning Gents, I’m here now to make an appeal… if you are angry about this go to the SOS site and join. Whether you believe in SOS or not, it’s all we really have. Even if you think you can’t help because you live thousands of miles away – join.
We need the numbers. There is a reason for this, but I can’t divulge why. It will become clear within the month, and if you don’t do it you could be left feeling something like most of us do right now… if only we’d done something, this mightn’t have happened. It’s only a tenner. You wouldn’t think twice about spending that on going to watch a match or buying a shirt… well, do something far more important, and add your weight to something that might just drive the yanks out.
Us normal everyday fans are doing plenty of things to highlight our plight and show the owners up for exactly what they are. I’m involved in several things personally… there’ll soon be an anti-H&G single available on i-tunes. A mate of mine and his band are recording it and if we get enough people to buy it on i-tunes (which is only a few thousand nowadays) it will end up in the charts meaning radio stations will have to play it. It’s actually a great tune, an hopefully you’ll be hearing it a lot on the kop next season.
And keep an eye out at the World Cup. We’ve got lads taking anti-G&H banners to all England games. And I’ve got some New York reds who will hang them at the US’s games. But these things are water off a duck’s back to Tom and George. Make no bones, these people are from a sub-human branch of human beings that have no normal sense of decency. They are blood sucking venture capitalist parasites of the worst kind. They don’t care what they do. They would eat your children if they thought it would bring them another dollar.
But there is a loophole. I can’t say too much, but it is getting investigated, and if it’s possible legal means will be used to drive them from the club. For this to happen we need numbers. I can’t explain why. But, well, I’ve been warning you for years. Don’t be looking back on this in 12 months time and thinking, If only I’d…
So, there you go balls in your court.
I can see from comments in the last blog, and (Sorry Gaz) some in this one that people are still burying their heads in the sand.
I know some of you (Gaz and so on) are just trying to be positive and hope for the best. The other idiots, well, they aided and abbetted H&G all along, and they’ve now got their way. And they probably never will learn. I wouldn’t be arsed asking for an appology Kinny. These people don’t even appologise for what they’ve done to the club. I’d just forget and ignore them.
As for decent people who are just trying to look on the brightside… there is no brightside. There is one chance though… join SOS.
It’s okay saying LFC will rise again… believe me, if we don’t drive them out, it may never get back.
People go on about Bill and Bob leaving and the club surviving… they left the club in the hands of good people who cared, competent people who knew what they was doing.
Times have changed. And believe me, if Tom and George drag this club down to the depths they will if we don’t shift them… LFC may never recover.
People say no one is bigger than the club… bollacks. It’s a nice soundbite, it’s a good way of reassuring ourselves that it will all be okay. But it’s bollacks… Tom and George are now far far bigger than the club. The club is at their mercy and they are wringing every single last penny they can get from it… it might aswell be it’s life blood.
So this isn’t about Rafa. You all know how much I loved the man and, far more importantly, rated him as a manager. But it’s past that now. Yes. It’s really sad. And Kinny, I shed a tear too. I know thousands of grown men who did… why. Because we love the club, but yes we also loved Rafa. We knew he was one of us. We knew he got it. From the day he walked in the alehouse and bought us a drink we knew he had it… he was/is one of us. We don’t let our own get treated in this way, and people who don’t understand this really aren’t one of us.
If you want to read a bit about the truth of Rafa’s legacy, here’s about the best thing you will find in the media…
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html
Brian Reade is a national journalist, but he’s also a good match going kopite. Sadly, he’s also employed by the club. So he can’t come out with the truth…
And the truth is, we are fucked.
I hope none of you have taken offence at any of this. I’ve already had my swipe at the fools. I won’t bother again. Now they have helped complete the damage they started I have no time for them whatsoever. I hate them, and I always will. I will hold them just as responsible as Moores, Parry, H&G, Purslow and Boughtman… they are just as guilty. They may still turn out to be the people that killed LFC. But I won’t waste anymore time on them.
But for all other reds I have one message… join SOS. Don’t sit on your hands being optimistic, looking on the bright side and hoping for the best.
If we don’t do something, this club is going to die a slow lingering death until Tom and George disappear probably carrying the last of the furniture with them. Don’t believe a word they say…
In fact, where are they?
We all know the gargoyle has learnt to keep his head down and do his damage in hiding.
But what’s happened to the other fat twat?
Normally he can’t help himself. At the slightest chance the fat kunt is there, in front of his fire, telling us how much he loves the club, and how well off we are, and what he’s going to spend on us.
Well, where is he know when we’d like to hear why he done this to Roffa?
FFS lads please don’t be conned again.
Rafa has been sacked for one reason only.
Hansen might tell you it’s for assembling the worst squad in 500 years.
13 players going to the world cup sort of contradicts that.
In fact, every myth, every lie, every snide report in the papers/telly/radio, and even the shite spouted by our own “Support” is easily proved wrong…
Gerry mentioned rotation and zonal marking as how they first set about Rafa. That’s true.
What they forget to add to it nowadays… both things are now used by all top clubs, but not a word is said how Rafa was the inevator behind these systems.
So like I said earlier… we have just paid a coach to leave when most of Europe’s top clubs, at one time or another, have offered him a fortune to join.
Yes. Gaz, there is no doubt Rafa will walk into another top job. He will do more than survive. I’m not so sure about us lot though as a club.
So ffs get off your arses, do something to fight back. Join the union. It’s your union. It’s your voice in all this and your only weapon. It costs a tenner. You would spend that on dinner and not blink. Get in it now before it’s too late.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 9:30 am
Thanks Mc, but I’m actually a bit of a knob. But anyway, popped back into say… when the tune comes out, all money from sales will be getting donated to SOS and HJC.
Just wanted to make that plain… there’s no profiteering on this side.
(Fuckinell I’ve been in here a lot for someone who’d given up and was determined to not come back.)
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 #18 |
akka
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 9:34 am
Good to see you back here FS.
And good on you other lads for fighting (Aitch etc, you know who you are)
Ive just signed up at SOS.
Let me know when the itunes song comes out, ill buy it and get all me mates onto it
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 #19 |
StevieB
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 9:58 am
Union member #516
Went to a North Wales supporters club event last night where Phil Thompson & Roy Evans were the guest speakers.
In the Q & A session, after Thommo and Roy had both spoken very passionately about their playing/management stints at LFC the question was asked to Thommo what he felt about the present situation. He had no hesitancy in slagging the two “Clowns” that are currently controlling are football club and referring to the SOS forms that had been placed on every table offered his full backing to the union and encouraged people attending last nights event to sign up to speed up the removal of the “clowns” from our club.
He also went on to say that apart from Aldo & Digger, who have spoken out publicly that a majority of ex-players are currently employed by the club in some shape or form and it is there only source of income so are having to bite their tongues but they want rid of this cancer in our club as much as any supporters.
Keep up the good work FS and how much support has the July the 4th march to Stanley Park currently showing. Is this something the union is backing, encouraging?
Thanks for a lot of good times Rafa.
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 #20 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:09 am
I’ve signed up to SOS as per your advise FS. I sure hope what you’ve suggested works.
Alright, Digger, I won’t ask for an apology as FS has advised (but my complaint to Gerry still stands), but you’re absolutely FUCKING DELUDED if you think everything is gonna be rosy from here on as long as those two goons are here.
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 #21 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:47 am
Signed-up to the union yesterday FS. Looking forward to working with ye.
However, don’t abandon kopblog. You are needed more than ever to get rid of the cancer that is ruining our once great club – yes past tense.
Also, ditched the LFC.TV membership as well and I encourage like-minded LFC supporters to do the same and put an appropriate comment whilst doing so.
Yanks Out!
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 #23 |
sachem
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 12:17 pm
I’m also signing up for the union. Have been considering it for a long time, but haven’t been sure about it since I’m from a different part of Europe. FS has convinced me it’s well worth my time and money to join.
And please FS, stay on here and supply us with your thoughts on everything surrounding the club. Just ignore what the traitorous bastards say and don’t let the rest of us loose out on your insights. It would be greatly appreciated.
By the way, did any of you supply a farewell message to Rafa via the Tomkins Times? I wrote a message there and at least it gives me some relief to know Rafa will read it and remember there were a lot of supporters who wanted him to stay and appreciated all he did for the club.
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 #24 |
guinnessdrinker
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 12:33 pm
as ever FS i take onboard everything your saying about the yanks and im joing the union to get rid of the yanks (i dont agree with everything the union does but its the best we’ve got for now) but as for the rest of ye brandishing everyone who thinks rafa had taken us as far as he can “fucking idiots” “morons” and “traitors” its obvious that torres, gerrard and mash were not on his side anymore as some of us idiots and morons suggested in december and were shouted down for saying as much well after listning to FS i try ed to stay out of the manager debate until i seen were we ended up FFS we were awful and finished 7th why did that happen with the team we have? because the players were not playing for the manager where are they now? are they coming out in defence of the manager? no there not so the reason he’s gone is because it became a choice between rafa or the top players do you think those players should have been got rid of or the manager should?
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 #25 |
guinnessdrinker
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 12:43 pm
just seen mashes comments!! fuck sake you’se are right i am a fucking moron and quit possibly a 1st class idiot (im not a traitor though)
i still want to see what nando and stevie has to say.
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 #26 |
sachem
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 1:19 pm
guinnessdrinker
Do you have any kind of evidence to support your hypothesis that the board had to choose between the manager and the top players? It does seem a bit like a false dilemma to me. From what I’ve gathered of late I would consider it much more likely that they had to get rid of Rafa in order to sell off some of our stars and presumably use that money to pay off some debt.
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 #27 |
guinnessdrinker
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 1:29 pm
fair enough sachem that may well be true but you have to say it is odd that stevie and nando our two “superstars” and come to think of it carra have said absolutely nowt about rafa going. if they come out and say what pep and as i’ve just read what masch have said well then i’ll know for sure that he had’nt lost the dressing room or at least a large chunk of it. which to my mind is why we were so so painfully shite last season.
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 #28 |
StevieB
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 1:49 pm
Referring back to Phil Thompson he stated last night that if Benitez had stayed it was his feeling that Gerrard & Torres would have both left the club. He is now hoping that Kenny will be able to influence at least Gerrard if not the both of them!!
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 #29 |
rome77
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 2:34 pm
Nice one Gerry “the guy has had more knives in his back then Julius Caesar ” the thing is all those senators who stabbed Caesar got paid back in full. So how long will we have to wait for a Octavian Augustus to settle some scores and get rid of the board?
As for Kenny or Thommo taking over at least they’ll fight tooth and nail to protect LFC
Dougle Sorry for your loss mate
FS Good to see you back wish it was under better circumstances.
Digger you mention Leeds fans in the last blog i know about a hundred Leeds fans who’d disagree with you. and while your away this weekend i hope it rains and you go on a “whitey” :]
YNWA
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 #30 |
Decstarr
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 2:34 pm
Gutted!! I can’t sleep these days, and find myself snapping at my loved ones. I want to thanks Rafa for everything he did and tried to do for Liverpool FC and its fans. ‘You will walk on’ with all our best wishes and continued support.
The hope was dying in my heart, but thanks to FS I have somewhere to channel my efforts and also hang on to a glimmer of hope. I’m off to join the Union.
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 #31 |
Sam Wanjere
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 2:54 pm
Thanks Rafa for everything. You always were too classy for the club management and media. You didn’t deserve the crap the club put you in. You will always remain a true Kop legend in my book. YN(Ever)WA(Ever)!
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 #32 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 3:57 pm
Decstarr, it’s been the same for me. I find that I’ve been snapping rudely at strangers as well for the most trivial of matters lately, because I’m just mentally exhausted from all this injustice.
I find it ironic that this injustice takes place on the anniversary of another injustice, the Tiananmen Massacre in Beijing in 1989.
Of course, the Betrayal of Rafa pales insignificantly in comparison as it involves massive loss of human lives, however, both these injustices have made a rather huge hole in my heart for me.
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 #33 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 4:14 pm
Guiness Drinker: excuse the crudity, but let’s put this into the easiest terms I can…
If two men gained entrance to your home under false pretences, raped your bird and stole all your money… would you pay them to stay there and keep doing it?
I know what I would do… I would fight them off.
Now as I said earlier, I had my say on the idiots and traitors, and I’d like to leave it at that. I warned them since the Klinsamann affair. SOS has been warning them for 2 years, they carried it on to the bitter end and they aided and abbetted the 2 burglars/rapists/thieves.
I think that’s enough time wasted on fools and traitors, but do you really want to be amongst them?
I’m sorry mate, I don’t want to insult you. If I did I would come straight out with it. But the thing is, if you look at the posts/opinions of the idiots, it’s easy to see how these opinions were formed.
They’ll scream until they are blue in the face, that they come up with all this genius logic themselves when it’s plain for all to see that they are nothing but the moronic outpourings that we are force fed on a daily basis by the media.
So onto the media, and the gossip of senior players not backing Rafa…
I know a lot more than I’m able to say right now, but let’s put it this way… yes. There was a bit of smoke to that fire.
It’s not the blaze the media would like you to think it is. In fact, it’s basically 2 players. Take your pick. I’m not divulging names. But put it this way… one of them that you are naming isn’t one of them.
However, Mr Boughtman is doing his best to persuade him to join Chelsea. He even went as far as to suggest it in public through the media.
There’s a lot I could say, but I’m going to ask you something…
Why do you think most match going, long standing reds are gutted at the sacking of Rafa?
Do you think, we are blindly backing the man. Or do you think there might be some chance that we are telling the truth…
We have just lost our only ally on the inside. The only one with any real clout inside the set up.
To be honest, in a way I’m quite relieved for Rafa. This was obviously taking a toll on the man’s health. God only knows how badly it was affecting his lovely wife and daughters.
And yes, I use the word lovely on purpose but not just for affect… Montse was a well loved figure in Liverpool. She done some great work for local charities and she will be sadly missed in a community that could do with more good people like her and her husband.
However, they are gone now… just like Gerry said with more knives in their backs than Julius Ceasar…
are you that surprised that one or two of them are from young, uneducated, spoilt, rich young men who happen to believe the media – and the hype they give them?
Wake up mate… if you have any interest in keeping this club where it belongs, you will do the only things you can… join the union, and take part in anything else you can.
I will keep popping in here from time to time as we need the help of all good reds. I will be asking some of you lads to do just that.
Don’t worry…
It won’t be anything major. It won’t cost you anything, or even take up much of your time… And let’s face it, spending a few minutes trying to help save something you love is time far better spent than bollocking fools – no matter how enjoyable that is from time to time.
I know there’s loads of you who will jump right on it, Lurgan, Aitch, Keith, my old friend Knight and too many others to mention. And I know there’s some who will question it…
Think back to the ding dongs me and LB used to have. But it wasn’t because the man is a fool or traitor… quite the opposite.
In fact, what he did was rather smart. He always took time to question things first and then made his mind up.
Well, I haven’t looked at LB’s posts since god knows when. I can imagine them though… yep. A good old moan about the footy we endured last season. A good old moan about tactics, teams, formations and substitutions. I dare say, he even had a good old moan up about a winger and a striker – even though we couldn’t afford them.
But I bet you one thing else… at the end of the day, even if the lad had lost all faith in Rafa, I still bet he knows exactly where the blame for this situation belongs… Guiness Drinker, Gaz, I’d like to think of you as lads who are just thinking things over, but I hope you come to the right conclusion.
Sorry to speak for you LB, but you’re the best example I could think of in this blog.
Anyway, you may think Traitor is a very harsh word to use for the others. And to be honest, even I don’t think they deliberately set out to help do the damage that’s been done. But when you continually stab someone in the back – someone who is on your side fighting your cause – then I’m sorry… to me that’s the definition of a traitor.
Lastly there’s those who just won’t get it.. The Fools. I can almost forgive them. They know no better. But why did they refuse to learn? And why do they still not see what’s going on. So, no. Sorry, I have no sympathy for them. They’d probably pack the money up in a bag for H&G while they continued to screw their bird.
So, I hope I have explained that clearly enough. There’s only two sides to the fence. You can be on one or the other or sit on the middle. But when my grandkids learn of all this and asked me what I did about it… I can look them in the eye and say the little and best I could.
And I’m really sorry to be nagging. I can remember laughing and joking in this blog. But I haven’t the time to keep doing this over and over.
Nevermind Rafa, I’m about to get the sack myself. I’m doing this practically 24/7 and it’s not going down too well with Missus FS, the grandkids or the dog. In fact, I’m just about to take them all out to dinner and go for a nice long walk.
But I’ll be back when I have some more news. I’ll also be back with a list of things you can do. Obviously with us all being scattered to the 4 winds, some won’t be able to do somethings. But that doesn’t matter… if we all do the little we can, everything will get done.
But as for the Rafa discussions, you all know what I think of the man…
but he’s gone now. It’s over. I’m very saddend by that, and I probably will be thinking “if only” for the rest of my life. But this has got nothing to do with Rafa or how disgracefully he was treated. It’s about what is happening to your club and whether you are going to stand idly by, arguing over things that don’t really matter, and so let it happen without putting up a fight.
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guinnessdrinker
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 4:53 pm
FS im fully behind whatever you and the local support need to do to get rid of the parasites. im looking at the sacking of the manager in pure footballing terms, team performance and attitude but look its been done a billion times i think its fair to say whatever anyones opinion on the manager is the real fight is with the owners. im off to see one night in istanbul tonight id say it’ll be a strange atmosphere but im gonna join the union while im there. surly some sos members around, and ill do whatever else is asked of me as a supporter of the club and the city.(not of individuals)
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 #35 |
redway
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 5:00 pm
hi guys, i wish i could join the sos right now but unfortunately due to some financial reasons i can’t do it till next week. Hope it won’t be too late.
I’m a bit surprised that the likes of Gerrard and Carra haven’t got time to comment about the situation.It’s clear that the England cause is more important to them than the club, which made them what they are today.
I’ve been reading for a while Gerrard quoting that he will play anywhere for England and Carra hailing Capello as the greatest. But the same Gerrard when deployed in a different position for Liverpool kept on moaning.
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 #36 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
#34 Good man.
#35 It’s never too late.
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 #37 |
McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 5:45 pm
One of the things that makes me smile, in a wry fashion, is the love in for Capello, the stubborn disciplinarian, the man who plays people out of position, the man who refuses to put an arm round players…
…isn’t that precisely what Rafa was slated for so consistently by the same media?
Sickening really.
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 #38 |
McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 5:54 pm
Sorry to post long but I’m on holiday and have time on my hands at the moment to scour articles and this gem was (re)posted on RAWK without a credit so I don;t have a link for it:
“i’ve been saying since the spurs defeat on the opening day of the season that the summer hurt us
i’ve been thinking since the spurs defeat that gerrard didn’t look that interested and that torres came out like a big petulant moaning jinny-ann
something was wrong right there
what was it
what was it that happened over the summer to turn a squad that nearly won the league to one that bitched and moaned and couldn’t beat spurs
it wasn’t rafa
it was the loss of belief
the players we had, whether rafa is a man-motivator or not, played out of their skins in the season before last and pulled plenty of results out of the bag after going behind – they played for him – just like they played for him 2nd half in istanbul
what turned them into non-interested 7th place dross almost immediately the season started the year before
it was that summmer
that summer when we should have pushed on
when we were so close to getting the league
when the ‘usual 20 million’ on top of player sales would’ve gotten us there
just when we were that close the owners pulled the plug
they cut the knees from under rafa, from under the fans, from under the club
they took their positive transfer balance after the alonso sale and gave it to the bank
and the players that should’ve come back to pre-season thinking ‘this is our season’
came back thinking ‘this club will never go anywhere with those two as owners’
those players are winners – they should be winning things – and they knew they most likely wouldn’t here -
the writing was on the wall after last summer and the players lost heart
you could see it in the first game
now fair enough rafa didn’t bring them round – he’s not that sort of manager – but in ordinary circumstances he’s one of the best – but I don’t think he’s really a siege mentality-backs to the wall- mourinho- type of psychologist
he expects players to be professional and get on with it – this season they were all feeling sorry for themselves and he’s not equipped to deal with it
but personally I don’t, and never will blame him for it
he was put in an impossible circumstance where a team that was on the crest of a wave and should’ve gone on, got a boot in the bullocks by the owners in a way that I can’t conceive has ever happened in football before
i blame them, the two tumours, the two ***** – they are what’s ruining us
and if rafa made bizarre substitutions/ selections last season you have to think that he was probably trying to balance those who looked interested and least affected by the owner’s cancer against those who were most talented
but it’s still them, the two tumours, the two ***** – whoever the next manager is, we still need rid of them before anything will ever feel right at this football club again.”
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 #39 |
McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 5:56 pm
oh, and off to join SOS…
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 #40 |
pshenava
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:05 pm
Thanks FS I have also joined SOS.
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 #41 |
pshenava
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:20 pm
Just read Robert Martinez on Rafa. Knew he was a good man and understands the broader perspective. Very shocked to read Hansen. He was the same guy who said in Aug last year that we were 2-3 signings away.
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 #42 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:35 pm
Fatty good to have you back in here mate rallying the troops as we are in a war.
I joined SOS last year and have encouraged everyone else to do same.
I think i`ll go on facebook and start dropping links around to reds on there and encourage them to sign up in a bit to save our club.
There`s an idea for a demonstration on the 4th of july too lads if anyone can get over.Its a march from town to stanley park via anfield.
Someone on RAWK suggested it.
I don`t think it was an SOS idea origionally but i`m sure they`ll get on board.
I`m not sure where the idea is at maybe you know if its nailed on to go ahed Fatty?
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 #43 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:38 pm
Gerry,excuse my ignorance i kinda swayed off the topic of the blog which was essentially a good luck and thank you message to Rafa.Spot on pal.
I did my thank you and goodbye message to him in the last blog.He`ll never be forgotten.
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 #44 |
McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:47 pm
Right, now that’s done…
…FS you dropped a little bomb back there and it’s got me thinking.
If it’s not the obvious player power figures then:
Gerrard had a face like a slapped arse because of his persnal circumstances (or lack thereof) – so not him
Pepe was the first to come out in support of Rafa – so not him
Masch has since made supportive noises – so not him
Riera? well that’s just too obvious (and how predictive was he by the way?!) – so not him
Insua? too young – so not him
Skrts? No-one in their right mind would cross him anyway – so not him
Maxi? too new – so not him
Yossi? Torres? Carra?
Well it looks like one of those three…
…plus…
…LUCAS!!!
He’s to blame for even more things than Rafa! It must be him!!!
Please feel free to prove me right.
Oh, and I urge you to grow Rafa goatees like me in order to show Hick & Gillett your true feelings. I’m turning in to a proper militant, me!
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 #45 |
McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:51 pm
Oh and for those who are joining and can make it:
Spirit Of Shankly EGM – Saturday 12th June 2010
The Management Committee of Spirit of Shankly are calling a mass meeting of members, to take place at Noon at Zeligs Restaurant in Liverpool 1
More info on the site…
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 #46 |
Aitch
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 6:55 pm
I get where all the wrist slitting is coming from.
I understand why some of the statements of utter despair have been made.
I get the anger toward the owners.
The continued support, in-memorium, of Rafa.
I get all of that. I think its justified. All of it.
But aside from some brief anger following the announcement, I’ve largely been more disappointed, disillusioned, mildly depressed…. I don’t know the right word for it… apathetic toward the club… in spite of spending hours trying to gleen information about the goings on and what may now happen…
… I find myself in simple terms… just fuckin heavy hearted.
I don’t see the point in anger…
…Rafa has gone and that decision has placed us on the verge of a precipise…
Now, those who want to “look on the bright side” are correct when they say things might work out…
Severel extremely crucial decisions need to be made this summer…
The first decision was, in my mind, categorically a mistake!
It is a decision that I see as putting us furthur out over the edge of that cluff…But it is a mistake that, givent he right decisions to follow, we might claw our way back from.
However… a dark looming cavern decends below us… where one or two wrong decisions could see us plunge into a future that could make the 90s look like a fuckin picnic.
Scaremongering some will say.
When Shanks left we were fine.
When Paisley left we were fine.
When Fagan left we were fine.
When Kenny left…. err… ooops!
That’s all true… great men left and great men tookover and continued the dynasty.
But Paisley was alreqdy in place, and was a continuation of Shanks reign.
Likewise Fagan.
Likewise Kenny.
That is NOT the case now…. (don’t even get me started on how monumentally different the circumstances are today.)
But what I do not understand…
what has been irking me for at least 5 months now….
what really does light my fuse in all of this…
… has been is how the fuckin players have largely escaped their very healthy portion of blame in all of this.
So, rumor has it that Rafa was the victim of a power struggle with the players?
That he had somehow “lost the dressing room”?
That specifically, “one or two senior players” were unhappy with him, and so he had to go?
And yet, none of you have a problem with that?
(well okay, not “none or you” but you get my drift!)
Firstly…. we came 7th NOT because Rafa is a poor coach… but because professional footballers lost the ability to play simple 10 yard pass and move football.
you can talk all you want about it being the Manager’s job to motivate players… but that’s to be better… if they can’t motivate themselves to even show up…
…I don’t care if you’re the genetically engineered love child of Maurihno, Ferguson, Cappelo, and O’Neil (that last one was thrown in there as filler… just for fun… kinda like the frog DNA in Jurassic Park) there’s no motivating a player in those circumstances. That’s just unprofessional.
the idea that any of us would side with a player… any player… be it Riera or Gerrard… under such circumstances, over a Manager who has indisputably (if you read facts rather than listen to SkySports) brought success to the club and improved it from top to bottom.
No one is bigger than the club…err… unless t involves criticism of Steven Gerrard.
I don’t buy that the players actively sought out Rafa’s destruction. They’ve all vocally supported him in the past, and stated that he made them better players.
(granted when we were winning… not so much when we weren’t… which maybe tells you everything you need to know about players and their mentality?)
(funnily enough this sorta mirrors fan reaction to a certain extent?)
It just makes for a convenient explanation for a season that can’t easily be explained.
And there is no real mystery in current players’ silence.
Pepe has said what he said… and I praise him for it… it was welcome to hear… but he signed a contract, just months ago… his future is not in question.
SG, and Carra, on the other hand… well both are at a stage where they (on a personal level) “need” (and I use that word loosely, and put it in quotes coz its how they would phrase it, not how I would) to assess their futures. So I can completely understand why they are keeping schtum.
I don’t buy that whole “concentratig on playing for England and the World Cup” bollocks… its just that… bollocks… a very convenient excuse to avoid saying anything, while they wait for the Anfield fallout to settle, have their agents feel out options and make sure they at least have a reservation on the life-raft (whether they eventually use it or not) so as not to tie themselves to a sinking ship.
I don’t really agree with living your career/life that way, but that’s just me… I understand why they are doing it… and it is unfortunate fact that most people would behave in this manner.
but let’s not be giving them… not just the names I’ve named… but all the players at Anfield… a get-out-of-jail-free card for this past season.
Lucas is largely thought of… at best… as nothing but a squad player… so what does it tell you that our best, most consistent performers of the season, were the goalkeeper and him?
I watched a little program the other day. Great Rivalries. Liverpool vs Man Utd.
Many players were interviewed… but during the section that dealt with the teams/games of the 80s, the comment was made… by several Reds players… that “no one was bigger than the club”!
I found that telling… coz they meant it in a completely different context than we say it today.
Today it means that Liverpool Football Club is the big thing.
What they menat… and Phil Neal actually spelled it out in the following way… and I quote…
“and what that means is that their were no big heads. Even if there were, it wouldn’t have been tolerated, but there weren’t. We were a team and we all worked for each other. Kenny was the big man, Rushie was the big man. But they were no more important than any one else in a red shirt. And that’s why we were so dominant. We all worked for each other.”
Certainly not the same mentality as SG or FT stating to SkySports cameras that “we need better players.”
… or perhaps… players supposedly not playing as well this past season… because we didn’t buy a couple of big names in the summer!
I mean seriously… What The Fuck…?
To quote a character from “Charlie Wilson’s War”…
“Grow Up You Fuckin Child!”
The next time… if there is a next time… you see Steven Gerrard or Fernando Torres, take it all on themselves and score (or not) from an impossibly angle… while a much better placed teammate stands ignored in the center of the box, spare a thought for the following quote from Ian Rush… (from the program Legends: Kenny Dalglish, also broadcast this week)
“there were plenty of times when Kenny could have scored. It was on and he had a clear shot, but instead he slipped the ball through for me to tap in. That’s the man he is… He always put the team before personal glory.”
Those days are gone… but in so many more ways than we think of, when we normally make such a statement.
Rant Over!
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 #47 |
McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 7:14 pm
One of the reasons it’s such a depressing tie at the moment is that, rather than mourn Rafa and then get excited about speculation as to who might be installed as (puppet) manager, we can all (or mostly) see that it doesn’t make the blindest bit of difference who the next manager is because, according to the manual of the good venture capital model, the asset stripping starts here.
Any manager worth his salt will know this.
Any that don’t get this or that believe the lies of the Leeches are either too stupid for the job or haven’t been paying attention to all the other lies propagated by the malodorous pair (try typing that when you’re pissed!)
Because of this, as so many keep saying – we’re fucked!
And that’s me, the rosest of rose-tinted Reds saying that. I’ve got rose-tinited glasses, but I’m not stupid!
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McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 7:22 pm
And Aitch, I had a bit of a rant in the other blog thread about the same thing. Where was the player-power to pass the fucking ball to a Red shirt when we needed it.
I’m involved in sport to a degree (at a national academy level) though not in football and it’s strange to see the number of players who would semi-deliberately underperform (to the detriment of the team!) rather than let their coach get the credit for victory. Madness, but it happens.
All last season I’ve been wondering if that’s been happening. But it’ll never come out in the biogs because they’d get slaughtered for it and, realistically, probably don’t know they’re doing it anyway.
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Aitch
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 8:16 pm
Yeah don’t misunderstand my previous statement… I am angry.
I was when I heard the rumor… was when it was confirmed and still am.
I get angry as I read each bullshit article… like the one Alan Hansen comically… no make that criminally wrote.
(I like Hansen. I don’t think he is stupid or full of shite, but he does tend to blow with the wind at times.)
I found it utterly comical that Jamie Redknapp…
… having strongly held for the better part of 2 seasons now, the opinion that Rafa Benitez was a) ruining LFC and b) the wrong man for the club…
…and having publicly criticized the man up, down and sideways in a major national forum, after virtually every game, even the fuckin ones we won…
…had the audacity to actually step back from his position this week…
… and admit that Rafa was not entirely to blame (mighty white and big of the man,)
…that he’d not been backed by the board (though wasn’t specific,)
…and had been shamefully treated…
…though he couldn’t resist finishing his thought with a turrets-like reaffirmation of points a & b
… but nah…. I’m wrong again… there’s naught comical about that… its fuckin criminal!
But that ship has sailed.
We can bitch and moan and complain and correct all we want… until we’re blue in the face (sorta like Everton fans when they saw their new Pink shirts! and we think we’ve got problems)
… but the inmates are running the assylum.
SkySports got what they wanted.
They convinced a section of our support that it was what they wanted.
And its a done deal.
The barn door was opened… the horse is long gone now… and there’s no turning back.
Where we go from here is a very large, yet to be answered question.
So as I do when analyzing games and players… I try to step back from the emotion… stifle the anger of this decision… and try to analyze where we are.
There are right things to do for Liverpool Football Club.
And there are wrong things to do for Liverpool Football Club.
And I’m sorry but if you think for one moment that firing Rafa…. under the current regime… under the current financial circumstances… under the current ownership… was the right thing to do for Liverpool Football Club… you are deluding yourself.
But like I said, that decision has been made.
Now as I said though… while I view it as a monumental mistake… one that could signal a pending, unmitigated disaster…
…there IS a way back from it.
the problem is… key decisions need to be “got right”…
… and the people making those decisions are G&H, Martin Broughton, and Christian Purslow (with Ayre and Nash)
… Kenny Dalglish is the window dressing to relax all the Punter’s anxiety.
I’m sorry Kenny lad, you’re a fuckin legend, but you’re being used.
Do you know why Magicians’ Assitants are always… always… sexy, pretty girls in Playboy Bunny Costumes?
Coz we all look in his direction and cooo “awww it Kenny Dalglish. Number 7. A Fuckin Legend. Gerrin Lad. He’ll sort them….errr… what the… ay… where’d me fuckin wallet go?”
We’ve been force-fed the blue pill and we’re about to find out how far down the Rabbit hole goes!
Critical…. Key… Vital decisions need to be made for the health of this football club.
…The club is on the operating table in the Critical Care Unit
…and instead of leading Surgeons making the decisions for the benefit of the patient…
…we have hospital administrators mulling over the cost of the care, before making the decisions…
… an insurance company concerned only with the continued receipt of their payments…
…and at the moment…
…only a Paramedic and a Boy Scout with a First Aid Merit Badge standing by ready to try CPR and maybe a Heimlich Maneuver!
There may very well be a light at the end of the tunnel… but right now, I’m inclined to believe that it’s Tom Hicks Jnr with a flash light, standing on the edge of a cliff, softly calling “walk this way” under his breath.
… actually, come to think of it…
all hope is lost… … we’re pretty fucked!
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Aitch
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 8:49 pm
AARRGGGHHH!
See this is the kind of shit we have to deal with.
From teh article McrRed posted at #49
“Part of the problem with Benitez’s reign was his formation as a whole. Liverpool have become accustomed to playing with a 4-2-3-1 system, but it actually took Benitez three and a half seasons before this was installed as the primary formation (which was strange considering he had experienced such success at Valencia with this system).”
How can his “formation as a whole” be part of the problem…. if he didn’t play the same formation for his entire tenure?
Lazy? For Sure.
Just Fcukin completely ignorant of facts… and football tactics as a whole?
FOR DAMN SURE!
“Until then, he had largely persisted with a basic 4-4-2 for league matches, which didn’t suit his two most talented players. Steven Gerrard was not disciplined enough for a central midfield role and was playing too far from goal, whilst Xavi Alonso is a deep midfielder but not a holding one – they clearly both needed a destroyer alongside them.”
WOW… okay…
First… Steven Gerrard was at that time, largely considered by most to be the BEST BOX-TO-BOX central midfielder in the country, with only Lampard as his main challenger!
It wasn’t until he was moved forward, and coincidentally struck up a one-season successful partnership with Fernando Torres, that “the hole” suddenly became regarded as his “best position”. And this in-spite of the fact that he hasn’t duplicated that form, in that position, now for 2 seasons. (granted mitigating factors, but still…)
Secondly, its fuckin Xabi Alonso, you tit, not Xavi Alonso. (maybe that was really all I needed to say about this article, but…
“whilst Xavi Alonso is a deep midfielder but not a holding one – they clearly both needed a destroyer alongside them.”
Two Words… Didi Hamman you pratt!
Okay that’s 4 words, but Didi played alongside each of them, as a holding midfielder, during Rafa’s first 2 seasons, which brings me to…
“Instead, Gerrard was sometimes shunted out to the right and Alonso struggled for form”
…er… you obviously missed the page, during you’re extensive research for this article, that contained the stat where Steven Gerrard scored a fuckin shedload of goals while deployed … err… sorry “was shunted” out to the right. Isn’t it still his record haul?
And it was the following season Alonso struggled most for form.
As with the spelling of his name, Christ, at least get the facts right.
“the shift to 4-2-3-1 suited them both, but it was late in arriving. The delay probably set Liverpool back a couple of seasons.”
… but you neglect to include, or simply overlook coz it suits the agenda, that…
… Didi Hamman Holding and SG in the hole was what facilitated that remarkable 2nd half come-back in Istanbul…
… that this took place in Rafa’s 1st season… (you dickhead)…
… that this wasn’t the only time we used such a formation in the first two years of Rafa’s tenure, despite the personnel on offer…
… and that put simply, the playing personnel… all of them, not just XA and SG… were more suited to the formation in later seasons…
…oh… and that it set us so far back that we went to 2 more finals, 3 semi finals, one quarter-finals, and came 2nd with the largest points haul of any 2nd place team in the history of the Prem…
but how many people will read that inacurate, misleading, and just plain wrong, steaming pile of shite, and not question any of it?
Such are the current generation of “most knowledgeable fans in the world.”
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LondonBarnes
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:01 pm
FS, I haven’t been moaning about the management, tactics or anything like that recently. Most of my criticism of late has been against the players. I’ve spent the last couple of weeks having arguments with all my mates and colleagues at work about Rafa and why it was wrong to sack him.
There really are some fucking deluded people out there. “Fools” is the best word to describe them. They just don’t get it or refuse to get it.
I think Rafa’s inability to fully express himself in English goes some way to explain why many just didn’t get him. It also made it easy to ridicule him and it made it difficult for him to defend his record to the media.
What I find amazing is the utter nonesense that is spouted by idiots such as Alan Hansen and Jamie Redknapp. I can’t find the words to say how moronic these clowns are. And the way the majority of the public lap up the bollacks is just fucking ridiculous. It’s amazing what the average person just laps up from media. I have guys at work pulling out the Daily Mirror and quoting morons like Redknapp as if its gospel truth. I just have to shake my head.
Another thing I have to shake my head at is the notion that everything will be alright because we have King Kenny back. You know, I thought Newcastle fans were morons and I used to ridicule them as such. Screaming for Keegan and Shearer as if the 2 legends would make all their problems go away. Well I look a right idiot now because most Liverpool fans are just as fucking dumb.
Its Newcastle all over again. People like Redknapp and Aldo thinking we’ll be alright with Kenny at the helm – all will be well. We’re Liverpool, we’ll have no problem attracting a top manager and top players. This is the same crap that the likes of Malcolm McDonald said in the lead up to Keegan and Shearer appointments months before they were relegated.
Look on the bright side? What bright side? No manager, no money, massive debt, owners and board members from your worse nightmare….
2 years ago I thought FS was going well over board with the scaremongering. I just didn’t see it. Well fucking hell do I see it now. Like Samuel Jackson said in Jackie Brown “My ass may be dumb, but I aint no dumb ass!” Unfortunately there are some real dumb asses around. They still have their heads in the clouds thinking either we’ll get a top manager or Kenny will bring back the glory years, our top players will stay no matter what and we’ll find money from somewhere to add to the squad.
People try to seperate the state of the club off the pitch from the performance on the pitch as if the former is just an empty excuse to explain the failings of the latter. Whether we play with 2 holding midfield players or 5 strikers. It matters not one fucking iota when the club is being bled absolutely dry.
Stupid debates like Rafa should have prioritised a back up striker over a first choice right back for Liverpool Football Club. Which is a bit like me having a full time job and yet having to prioritise whether I should buy toilet paper or food this month.
In a way I am glad Rafa is out of the firing line. Eventually the blame will have to be pointed towards the real culprits.
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McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:07 pm
There are more questions than answers…[hums tune]
Aitch, yeah, now that you say it, I don’t agree with ANY of that article!
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McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:16 pm
I’ve said it before, one of my problems with the Fool supporters is that they appear to accept standards from other teams’ managers that they criticise from ours. I will always criticise our manager for doing stupid/bizarre/indefensible things – but not without roundly denouncing other managers who do the same things:
Benitez and his accent/man-management style;
Capello gets away with his.
Benitez buys crocked midfielder;
Fergusin gets away with his.
Benitez etc etc
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McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:17 pm
I’m getting obssessed with these rumours that it was Carra who was engineering against Benitez (and allegedly calling himself “club senior source”).
But no-one will break cover and say anything.
Can’t work out if this is ’cause it’s rubbish or that people are afraid for some reason.
An answer to either of these points from someone who knows would help…
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Gerry
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:29 pm
Sorry to sideline the wrist-slashing discussions guys but Sven Moron fucking Erikson touting himself for the Liverpool job, gimme a fucking break!
Let me tell you if that Swedish fuckhead ends up in charge at Anfield the shutters will be coming down on Kopblog because I will most definitely be out of here.
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sachem
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:55 pm
Gerry
I happen to be Swedish but I’m not a fan of Eriksson’s either. I did feel some sympathy for him when he got crucified by the English media back at the end of his days as head coach of England (quite a lot similar to the unfair and disgraceful treatment given to Rafa during his reign with us), but that doesn’t excuse all the strange choices he’s made. At the end of the day, he’s simply not good enough to manage Liverpool. On the other hand, I don’t think Roy Hodgson or any of our other realistic targets are, either.
Fuck it, I already miss you Rafa.
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McrRed
Posted on June 5, 2010 @ 10:56 pm
Gerry, sorry mate..but it doesn’t matter who manages us next. With those two clowns (puppeteers) in control we’ve been bent over, trousers down without any lube
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Aitch
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 12:41 am
Ah shit, McrRed…. I just dropped the soap!
Mommy! (trembles uncontrolably)
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axchoice
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 2:11 am
Guys,
I just joined the SOS.
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Aitch
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 2:27 am
1 down… 12 to go…
Martin Skrtel rushed to hospital with an ankle injury!
And the fuckin World Cup hasn’t even begun!
Rio out, Drogba out (mind… not that I give a fuck about them)… they’re dropping like flies and we’re still a week away.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 3:34 am
Ya Aitch seems like Robben is gone too.What is it with the modern day footballer.Are they too fit?Are their bodies primed so much that it dosen`t take mch for something to go?
Feckin crazy.
And Gerry get a load of this,never mind Erickson,our pal Curbishly said he wouldn`t say no and he`d be interseted.Then when asked if the boardroom uncertainty would put any potential managers off he said…”Na,its liverpool,any club could be within three days of uncertainty”
People,even former managers and guys involved in the game like Curbishley really don`t realise whats going on at the club do they?
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Gerry
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 3:46 am
Sachem, I’ve nothing against Swedish people in general, in fact I have an ABBA CD somewhere and I think Ulrika has a fine arse, but it’s just that completely over-rated useless fucker I can’t stand. Hurdy Gurdy!
McrRed, I did say in my post that I was sorry to sideline the wrist slashing, so please feel free to continue but don’t expect me to join in.
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guinnessdrinker
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 4:51 am
great show in the grand canal tonight cheered alot of depressed heads up for a few hours. man,man, man istanbul? the stuff of dreams that night was. never to be seen again methinks.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 8:02 am
Firstly, thanks to all you lads that joined SOS. I know it must seem like pissing into the wind, but realistically it’s all we’ve got.
And it seems you agree with Sven on one thing Gerry… he rather liked Ulrika’s arse an all. Other than that I can’t really think of much the man got right.
LB, I might have got bits wrong but in general… I had you pegged. But here’s the rub on that… people do listen, if you talk sense. Not all of them. I’ve learned that. I just ignore them now as I nearly got meself into quite a few fights last season by kicking off on morons… I’d still do it but at 54, with a belly like this, taking on gangs of young lads at the match or in the pub for spouting shite, isn’t the best of ideas.
But me point is, and it’s to all of you, people will listen… spread the word, look at how many of you joined SOS in the last few hours. Not because I told you to, because you know it’s the right thing to do.
Guiness Drinker I’m glad you enjoyed one night Istanbul, and I hope you took a moment to think who gave you that… it could be a long long long time before you see the likes again. Meself, at my age, I know if we don’t get shot of the owners and get shot of them sharpish I will probably never see anything like it again in me life time.
And a quick reminder why…
Why are we still spreading media driven gossip?
As many have pointed out, there’s no proof of any of this bad man management. And also like they said, not being all paly paly with players is seen as a good thing when done by other managers.
Cappello gets lionised as the Strong Man for taking the Ingurlund arm band off “Brave John Terry.”
Rafa gets castigated and accused of alienating “Cara and Gerro” for saying senior players had to start performing at the beginning of last season – at the beginning of last season when they was playing like shit but things were still savagable.
The qouation marks on the nick names are courtesy of the English media… silly little point, but still proves a point. It used to drive me mad to see them pundits/experts/journos using all the good old boy nicknames, saying Big Sam, Fergie, Our Arry etc, with a big smile on their face, and then spitting out the word Ben-ee-tezzzz as if it was a bit of shit stuck on their lip… it was all subtle brain washing… don’t fall for it.
I know of one senior player that turned crook on Rafa. But do you honestly think Rafa was sacked for that. Tell me any organisation were the staff are behind the boss to a man? Tell me of any organisation were the boss – a hugely successful boss, a boss that has made the skint company multi-millions, a boss that is wanted by most of your main competitors – is paid off for losing the support of one of his staff?
It doesn’t happen.
Take a look at Hicks track record. He done the same thing at the Corinthians and Texas Rangers… sacked hugely succesful and respected, successful coaches because they wouldn’t adhere to his business plan – “onfield success not being necessary to succeding” – and then ran the clubs into the ground.
At Corinthians he sucked it dry, sold off what was left, the shrivelled shell of the club, and dissappeared.
They got lucky.
He done the same at Rangers but he’s still there, sucking them dry, even though they have filed for bankruptcy. He has refused to sell to all legitimate buyers, took them in Chapter 11 (American bnakruptcy) which allows Rangers to keep on trading and still repaying massive interest on the loans to Hicks that he made to them much in the same way Kop Holdings “lent” LFC money – money he had already borrowed from the banks. He’s told you himself that this is what he does.
So, are you going to keep believing the likes of Jamie Redknapp who actually put his dad forward for the job on Sly the other day, because… yep. You guessed it Our Arry is a good man manager who all the players love… funny enough, I haven’t seen the likes of Robbie “Not good enough” Keane or Darren “My wife could have scored that” Bent joining the love in after being belittled by good ol’ ‘arry.
As I said, I can’t keep going on like this. I’ll be getting binned meself if I keep it up. You either get it or you don’t and probably won’t until we are in the championship with championship players, under a championship manager, with H&G still getting their few bob from the suckers who will continue to pay their loans and interest to them.
No matter how much I miss it, not another match for me.
And I would love to buy my grandson his first LFC kit. He’ll have to wait. But hopefully by doing that, he’ll have a club to support when he grows up.
Spread the word. Talk to other reds. If you use other forums, get them to join SOS and/or take part in all the protests they can.
I’ll be back sometime today with a list of people at RBS. Remember it is government owned. We can force their hand in this. And as for the government, have faith… something is being done. We might just be able to force their hand too.
Thanks again for joining. Keep the faith.
Sorry I forgot who asked but… No. The 4th of July March is not an SOS organised event. It was, as you said, started by a lad on RAWK, and it seems to be growing quite well. I’m going to try and get there myself. It might be the only way I get to see old match going mates, have a laugh and a few pints with them, for quite some time.
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Arman23
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 9:53 am
FS, I’ve joined SOS all the way from Australia. It’s nice to feel like I can do something from here. Yanks out!! YNWA.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 9:56 am
Ya Fatty that was me on about the protest on the 4th of july.
Seems like a good idea,we have to do something and hope it brings in some media attention with it being the American independance day,now our independance day so to speak.Its a free day in the world cup too so there.
If anyone can get over,please try.Flights out of ireland are cheap at the moment so if you can then do.
I`m down to work myself that weekend but i doing all i can to get the weekend off.
Its quite sad that we cannot even come in here and discuss the footy.It is what these two parasites have reduced us to.Our only focus now has to be on ridding them and saving our club.
Its sad when someone says to me “who`ll they bring in?” or “who will we sign” and all i can reply with is “it dose not matter,its irrelevant now,bigger fish to fry”.
Its sad i cannot sit down in work or the boozer and discuss some footy with the lads.I love having a good debate about the game with guys and i miss it.Weather LFC is winning or not.
As Fatty said i miss coming in here and having a laugh even i silly season when we used to dream about who`s signing.
Now with all this depression around we can only focus one one thing.It`s not pretty,we all don`t enjoy these e-mail campaigns and protests,but we have to do it.We`re not prepared to stand idolly by and watch our club go down the drain.
If we succeed finally,then it will all have been worth it,while now we can`t see any light at the end of the tunnel,we must never give in.
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gazmaninaus
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 10:38 am
Fs, regardless of what you may think, i am remaining positive, when your club anthem, the very same one that gets belted out week in week out, is riddled with optimism and hope. Then why should I not remain strong in a time of what appears sheer hopelessness.
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I have wanted the twats out since they arrived, but unfortunately, they are just a long standing succession of fucking stupid brain dead boards and directors.
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When Morgan let the cat out of the bag about Moores and Co cooking the books, he was castigated by just about every section of LFC support, however the writing was on the wall then.
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I haven’t got my head in the sand or visa versa half way up my arse, I am fully aware of the damage being instilled on this great club.
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However regardless of whether my team is a championship team, with championship players and a championship manager they’ll still be my team. Afterall I supported them as a premiership team, in the premier league with a world class manager, even when they lost to Reading, Portsmouth, ect.
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Sorry lads but I refuse point blank to give up hope, I do not belong to the twats, nor the board, I belong to the team who is Liverpool.
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I am taking a positive out of a negative. If its a struggle and I face adversity then its worth doing, so I am not losing all hope. We will rise, just like Istanbul, that was not a half time speach, it was what Liverpool is famous for, rising.
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Ps everyone here knows my success rate with liking people, when I like them, there gone, fuck I wish I could like the twats. (I just can’t)
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Please don’t give up hope.
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The Oak Tree
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 11:23 am
I am hurting so, so much right now.
FS, really appreciating your posts and I’ve just joined SOS – sorry I didn’t join sooner.
Usted nunca andara solo, Rafa la’.
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 #71 |
The Oak Tree
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 11:24 am
p.s. FS – I’m a Huyton lad living in Scotland, if there is anything I can do let me know.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 11:34 am
Good man #70.
Gaz, sorry mate, but you are missing the point…
We will all still follow LFC no matter how low they sink. That’s not the point.
You can be as optimistic as you like… try singing YNWA to Tom Hicks and see what happens.
You either see the wood for the trees or I’m sorry… you are being a fool.
That is not meant as an insult. I think we know each other better than that by now. But you have to face up to facts…
What do you think has the more chance of success…
Telling all yourself, all your mates and anyone else who’ll listen that everything is going to be okay, or…
joining the fight in any way you can, whether that’s by joining SOS or helping out in other anti-H&G initiatives?
Sorry mate, but I know what will have more chance.
And even that sometimes feels like pissing into the wind.
I’m off out now. I’ve got to do somethings. But firstly…
Thanks to every one of you that’s joined the union and more importantly the fight. I’ve been trawling the web whipping up support and you lads have been the best by far. Thanks again.
Timmy, the date of the march was picked specifically for that reason… Independence day has a good ring to it, but more importantly there’s no World Cup on that day… so hopefully we’ll get a good few out the pubs and onto the streets.
Anyway, got to go, will be back with some details later.
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 #73 |
Redgasman
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 12:10 pm
Just joined SOS. I will spread the word to all my Liverpool supporting mates and whatever little else I can do. Words fail me when it comes to the sacking of Rafa the great. What people forget about the saying that “no one is bigger than the club” is that Rafa made the club big again in the world’s eyes especially europe (ranked no.1 in europe anyone?). The club has fucked up big in sacking this honest, decent and trustworthy icon of a man, who through all the shit with the media, still had our best interests at heart. If people can’t see that, then I’m sorry they don’t deserve to support this club no matter where they are from. UNBELIEVEABLE. Thank you Rafa for giving me moments of true joy and happiness in my 36 years of existence. YNWA.
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 #74 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 1:08 pm
FS, I’m already a member of SOS and have been for some time. I’m not delusional or infact deluded, I want them out ASAP. However I will not give up my belief in hope, at the moment my friend thats all I have to hold onto. I know you’ve been around long enough to understand that.
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If I can’t believe we will get out of this, I don’t deserve this team. Anyway I’m pissed now so keep up the good work. There’s a name on the 96 which never allows me to give up, sorry FS.
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 #75 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 1:33 pm
Anyway back to football, what do we all think about SG being named captain of England, I thought he was Scouse. Anyway it means I have two teams to follow at the world cup plus 13 players, now thats one lucky world cup.
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 #76 |
axchoice
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 1:52 pm
Gaz,
I’m not English, and England is one of the first teams I wish that gets knocked out first during any major competition.
The reasons are simple:
1) They are the darlings of the English Press.
2) The unfair treatment handed out to Liverpool players by both the press (especially) and the managers for as long as I can remember: John Barnes, Jamie Carragher, Glenn Johnson, and to a certain extent, Robbie Fowler and Steven Gerrard.
3) Their constant living in the past, i.e. 1966. Think of all the hype of “this is going to be our year” each and every major tournament for as long as I can remember. They didn’t even realise that their tactics and style of play were outdated as illustrated during Maclaren’s and Graham Taylor’s days.
Sadly, I’m not watching this World Cup due to the exorbitant prices quoted by my local (Singapore) Telcos as a sign of protest that I’m not going to be suckered.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 3:02 pm
Gaz… drop the bottle then. Get pissed off not pissed. You’re still missing me point mate… I’m not telling you to give up all hope. Far from it… I’m trying to point you to our best hope.
Come on you daft get. Do you think I’ve been around LFC for neigh on 50 years just to throw the towel in now? Of course we all live in hope.
But we have to be realistic too…
If you think The Liverbird is going to magically rise like some bloody phoenix under the likes of Sven with no bloody money… need I go on?
We hope for the best…
We plan for the worst…
We do our bit.
But just came into say this… I’ve been told to hold off on the addresses for a while. Doing me fuckin head in this and if someone doesn’t shift soon, I’ll fuck them off and risk it on me todd. But they do have reasons. So please bear with me. There will be positive things you can do soon, and you don’t have to be an SOS member to do them.
We can all have a go from anywhere in the world.
But we still need to get SOS numbers up. This has nothing to do with the addresses I’m going to put in here, but the reason for needing to up the numbers will become apparent soon.
And in all honesty, I know/understand why I’ve been told to slow down. I’d like to go down there with a tanker full of petrol and a fuckin big box of them dead big matches yer Ma has in the kitchen. But yes Gaz… it’s because there is a ray of hope in all this but it has to be done properly and at the right time.
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 #78 |
Aitch
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 4:30 pm
And in relation to what FS is saying, here’s a couple of numbers for you… and they don’t even require higher math skills this time
500,000
The number of Liverpool “Fans” who lined the streets to welcome home Number 5 that memorable May.
500
The number of Liveprool “Fans” who showed up at Anfield the other day to protest Rafa’s sacking.
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 #80 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 5:04 pm
In order to tackle this fat pig scum known as Hicks, people will need to take him on where it hurts the most – money.
Besides boycotting, someone needs to play his own game and buy some junk bonds and then do a hostile takeover of Hicks own personal assets, and then load the debts on him personally, and see how he feels about being sucked dry.
The more I think about Digger’s insult, the more ridiculous I think of him. Seeing as Digger’s nowhere to be seen, I might as well modify what I just said previously:
Digger, you acted as though you were a grown up in your insult to me, well, let me tell you this: If it’s anyone that needs growing up, IT IS YOU! For being blind to the truth and what’s going on, and for that, you’re being an idiot and a fool.
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 #81 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 7:18 pm
Forget him Kinny. It’s a waste of time and energy. Do you remember a few weeks back, Boughtman had to go to the Premier League and beg/plead/appeal to them and convince them that Liverpool FC were able to meet their commitments for the rest of the season… he even had to promise that we could complete our fixture list.
This was done before he showed what a real snake he is, but that shows what serious schtuk the owners are in… The premiere league were terrified that they had another Pompey on their hands and a giant one.
Well believe me there is things being done to undermine them with their creditors and I’m going to put you all onto it as soon as I can.
That’s why I say don’t worry about the odd fool. I’m proud of you lads in here. I’ve been bouncing all round the net whipping up support and I’ve had a good bit of success… But you lads are far and above the best of them. No messing about. Straight on it. So, take a bow, pat yourself on the back and don’t waste energy on those that won’t learn.
As I said, I had me rush slowed down a bit, but here’s something we can all do. It’s a list of sponsors. I know. I know. It’s a drag and I am sick of it an all. But this is only the beginning and – while others are working on other things – it’s the best way us ordinary fans can pressure the owners at the moment.
(Fuckinell remember supporting LFC was fun – even when we was really krap it was at least a bit of a laugh.)
Anyway, here’s a list of the main sponsors. Take a moment to knock up a polite letter, be brief, but firm, let them know you will not spend a penny on any product until H&G have gone. Tell them why you won’t buy any products, that you are encouraging all your family and friends to do the same and also tell them there’s thousands like you all doing the same thing. Pain in the arse I know, but it will ruffle a few feathers and scare some people.
I’ve done them all. It only took a minute. Knocked one letter up, then adjusted it for each sponsor. I’d put mine up as a template, but they suss that out and ignore them. That’s why I have included mailing addresses. Snail mail carries more clout. And believe it or not, it doesn’t take that long or cost that much… less than a few pints. So do what you can. We can still affect these bastards while we are waiting for bigger guns to be fired.
Sponsors…Standard Chartered
FAO CEO
Standard Chartered
1 Basinghall Avenue,
London,
EC2V 5DD,
United Kingdom
For electronic contact https://forms.online.standardchartered.com/public_website/group/contact_us/en/
Telephone: +44 (0)20 7885 8888
Fax: +44 (0)20 7885 9999
Opening Hours: 9.00am – 5.00pm, Mon – Fri
Thomas Cook
Thomas Cook Sport (Sales Office)
Thomas Cook Sport
Level 3
1 Tabley Court
Stamford Street
Altrincham
WA14 1EZ
Tel: 0870 752 0924 (lines open Mon – Fri 09:00 -17:30)
Calling from outside the UK: +44 1924 42 8106
Fax: 0161 941 3890
Email: [email protected]
Thomas Cook Sport (London Office)
Thomas Cook Sport
3rd Floor
Sterling House
6-10 St. Georges Road
Wimbledon
SW19 4DP
Tel: 020 8739 2360 (lines open Mon-Fri 09:00-17:30)
Fax: 020 8739 2301
Email: [email protected]
Adidas
http://www.adidas-group.com/en/local/meta/contact/contactus.asp
adidas AG
World of Sports
Adi-Dassler-Straße 1
91074 Herzogenaurach
Germany
Bank of America
Chester Business Park Chester CH4 9WW
ian o’doherty is the CEO of the europe card services (the folks who do the LFC credit cards)
Lucazade (GSK)
Global Community Partnerships
GlaxoSmithKline
980 Great West Road
Brentford, Middlesex TW8 9GS
United Kingdom
UK corporate switchboard:+44 (0)20 8047 5000
118BET
Cube Limited.
Clinch’s House,
Lord Street,
Douglas,
Isle of Man
IM1 1JD
Phone number: +442032869991
Fax number: +442070228668
Email address: [email protected]
MAXXIS
Maxxis International – UK plc
Carr Rd
Felixstowe, Suffolk, IP11 3RX
UK
Tel: (+44) 1394 604040
Fax: (+44) 1394 604041
Maxxis Tech Center Europe B.V.
Weverstraat 5
5405 BM Uden
The Netherlands
Tel: (31) 413-245801
Fax: (31) 413-245979
Maxxis International – USA
545 Old Peachtree Road
Suwanee, GA 30024
USA
Tel: (800) 4-MAXXIS
Tel: (678) 407-6700
Fax: (770) 962-7705
Carlsberg
Carlsberg UK Ltd, Jacobsen House, 140 Bridge Street, Northampton, NN1 1PZ
Contact telephone number:
0845 7820 820 (Calls charged at local rate)
Contact email address:
[email protected]
RBS
The Royal Bank of Scotland plc,
Registered in Scotland No 90312.
Registered Office: 36 St Andrew Square,
Edinburgh,
United Kingdom,
EH2 2YB.
Premier league[/u]
The FA Premier League,
30 Gloucester Place,
London,
W1U 8PL.
Barclays[/u] Premier league sponsor
Barclays PLC
1 Churchill Place
London
E14 5HP
Phone: +44 (0) 20 7116 1000
Budweiser[/u] Prem league sponsor
Anheuser-Busch, Inc.
One Busch Place
St. Louis, MO 63118
THE FA[/b]
FA HEADQUARTERS
Wembley National Stadium Ltd
Wembley
London
HA9 0WS
UEFA[/b]
UEFA
Route de Genève 46
Case postale
CH-1260 Nyon 2
Switzerland
Tel: +41 (0) 848 00 2727
Fax: +41 (0) 848 01 272
FIFA[/b]
FIFA-Strasse 20,
P.O. Box 8044 Zurich, Switzerland
Tel : +41-(0)43 222 7777,
Fax : +41-(0)43 222 7878.
And as you can see, there’s some non sponsors or none product selling sponsors, ie FIFA.
Don’t worry about that, just leave the won’t be buying your product bit out. Say with FIFA The FA or The Prem, just tell them what’s happening at your club and tell them your concerns and how H&G are abusing their positions of trust inside their organisations…
As I said, it’s a pain in the arse. But it don’t underestimate it’s effect. It does have one, a big one. And we can still win this.
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 #82 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 7:22 pm
Gerry… I made a post with multiple email addresses in it. I forgot they didn’t go up. Will it appear later like it used to do?
And thanks for letting me use the blog for this. It’s much appreciated. I will stop if it’s affecting anything. But look at the post I just sent. I stand by what I said and I’m not just saying it here for effect…
I’ve been bouncing round the internet, whipping up support. I’ve had quite a bit of success an all, but without a doubt the lads in here have been the best.
Take a bow lads, take a bow.
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 #83 |
McrRed
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 8:47 pm
FS, you BEAUTY!!!!
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 #84 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 9:17 pm
I`ve been texting fella`s too Fatty around the place just telling them to take a tenner if they have it and put it to some use.I told them that they are the first to have a moan when the team aren`t playing well or whatever o they can do something to help now.
I never asked them to get directly involved or anything or even agree to some of the stuff SOS do,but as you said its our only hope.
I also hipped a few links around facebook.It might be a bit tacky but if it helps then….
I usually only use that site for connecting with the boys ho have emigrated but its handy for spreading the word too.It can also attract some of the idiots who claim to be reds just so they can stick the knife in but who listens to them eh?Well i don`t but they love hearing so called reds go on about Rafa and whatnot on SKA SPOTES NOOOZZ !!
See them outside Anfiels the other day interviewing the “fans”.They probably interviewed 20 and 16 of them backed Rafa,so they didn`t make the telly but the other four who were well pleased got on.
They don`t know they`re born do they??
Just got home there.Took a trip to the beach today with the kiddies.We had a bll.It was windy as fuck and we`d a barby on the go and all.15 Euro a pop 2 packets of sausages,a couple of packets of burgers and buns and a slice pan and a lash of red sauce,the brother in-law brought the beverages and we tucked into charcoal sausages and burgers.
Typical irish day at the beach.Kids collected loads of shells and all.Sorted.
So i came home there now,kids wrecked so they went straight to the sack,she`s gone over to her buddys place for a chin-wag.
So i`ve pulled up the swivle leather chair,stuck on the darts,logged on and rolled a long one.
I`m ready to resume the war with Tom and george.
Right so Fatty,where`s them addresses,or has Gerry taken them and gone home for his dinner?
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 #85 |
Gerry
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 10:30 pm
There you go Timmy/FS it’s post number 81. Bunch of miltant fuckers in here, poor old Tom and George.
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 #86 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 10:35 pm
Nice one here we go its war.
FS just one thing mate,the snail male? I never heard of this,how does it work?
(hope i just haven`t made a tit of myself just there!)
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 #87 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 10:36 pm
Snale MALE?
Knew i shouldn`t have smoked that joint
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 #88 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 10:51 pm
Alright,so only 500 people turned up for the protest, not a great deal, FS how many supporters does the Union have, Iv’e been told less than 10,000, and thats world wide support. Is that true, less than a quater of Anfield.
.
Also Gillet has been so quiet, has he sold up and we don’t know yet. Anyone got any information on him.
.
Ps Lads, especially those who go to games, SOS has T-Shirts for sale, or should I say did have.
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 #89 |
dougle
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 11:36 pm
Timmy …. mind that hydroponic gear !
Thanks everyone who spared a thought there for me and by extension my friend’s family. Sorry if I was a bit dramatic last blog. Don’t worry Lurgan ye ain’t got rid of me yet !
Not got a lot to say that hasn’t been said.
I never felt anything like the dis-interest I have in “the new man, kenny kingmaker, torres/gerrard will they/won’t they go (personally I don’t care at this stage. No way can I see Torres there anyway. At least if they stay they won’t have the excuse of Rafa when they play like shit). It’s all Sky-sponsored fluff and quite irrelevent.
Gaz – before the Union (the first ever of it’s kind) was formed it had no members. The maybe it had 10/20. Then it hit the 100′s. Now it has hit the 1000′s and when I joined a few weeks ago was up to 5,000. What’s gonna bring it to the 10,000′s ? Who’s gonna bring it there is the real question.
Here is what I think each of us can do. Just find one Liverpool supporting mate/boozing friend/work colleague/whoever and explain to him what is really going on. Encourage him/her to join the Union and then ask them to do the same. Educate one person to educate and soon you have a tribe.
Then find another one. If all of us here took it upon ourselves to do this well ….
As we have all seen here. Since FS took the time to make a plea and give people a way of doing something the response, just from people who have posted has been emphatic and very positive.
I did this myself. Last Friday a young, very enthusiastic ‘Pool supporter walked out of a chat with me with Kopblog and RAWK and SOS written on a business card. He was delighted to find some authentic source of information. He didn’t know anything at all about any of this. He’s studying business at University but such is the lack of real analysis out there he never put 2 and 2 together. He got his information from Sky Sports and LFC websites. He’s normal and of the vast majority. He’s a smart lad and he’s joining the Union and he’s part of a new generation of supporters. He’ll pass it on.
We can do this. Then maybe we have the right to call ourselves supporters.
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 #90 |
rome77
Posted on June 6, 2010 @ 11:44 pm
From what i gathered Gaz the protest was a YANKS OUT protest organised before Rafa went.
In addition to the links FS put up http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/contact or just reply to one of the E-mails they send you trying to sell you something.
On another note if gerry was to run a poll on the question of
Legalise it Yes/No i’m thinking most of you would know what “it ” is and vote Yes am i right?
ps
Just heard Happy Harry’s in the frame for manager, which makes a change from tax evasion
I suppose he’d find time to do the job in- between his court cases and his work for the S*N
YNWA
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 #91 |
michaelthomasmademecry
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 12:29 am
Haven’t posted in ages, but just to say I’ve joined SOS.
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 #92 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 12:52 am
Wow I see Robbie Fowlers come out in support of Harry, He’s over here of course. This should just about send FS in heart spasms, one of the recognised good old boys of English football, now I’m getting depressed.
.
One thing though, we’re still an attractive prospect for any manager. Maybe he could off set his tax with claims against his lack of budget funding from dumb and dead dumber.
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 #93 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 12:57 am
Off to bed now, if she’ll let me in, but just popped into post something.
But first, thanks for getting that post with the links up Gerry…
Timmy snail mail is what us hip old Grandads call the old write a letter, stick it in an envelope and post it mail… I’m more hip-op than hip-hop nowadays, and I only smoke “it” now and again for me glacoma and arthritis – premptive strike like – but get with it eh, lad… catch the snail mail trail.
Arsing about aside, I know it’s a pain in these times, but one letter to cover all bases and then adjusted for each sponsor before printing… it really doesn’t take long or cost much.
As for getting people into the union…
I’m sure we all have a bit on the side, outside the marital blog. So any forums you go in, just pass the word on. The proofs in here. People are angry enough now and are finally facing up to the fact that we have to fight back… it’s not going to all just go away. So ask and they will join.
Want a sure fire way of getting some support…
ttp://bit.ly/ap4SQR
Just put that up for people to read. And make sure you read it yourselves. It’ll bring tears to your own eye, nevermind the Liverbird’s.
As for the reason why the numbers are growing so slowly…
No media coverage and really bad press when it is covered… a lot of people have been put off.
Also I know for a fact, and they admit it, they haven’t made the best job of getting people in and some reps have fucked it up when making appeals… as I say they know that themselves and are working on correcting that.
You also have to remember that this was formed by a band of well meaning, concerned amatuers, but amatuers all the same. They are all learning as they go along. And like I’ve hinted at, there are some professional people at work now. And there could be a big breakthrough on that front very soon.
Oh well, that’s me done for the night… add the h to the link (I remembered) read it and pass it on.
Dougle I don’t know what’s going on but I hope you’re okay. Don’t mean to dredge anything up, but if you or a friend’s family have had a loss, my condolensces to you and yours. Times are bad enough as it is.
Oh well, that’s me.
It’s nice to be posting in here again, but believe me it was for the best that I stayed out for awhile.
Night night.
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 #94 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 1:04 am
Good man MTMMC.
Gaz… Robbie is a good lad but he’s daft as a brush. Me cousin Mark knows him really well. They grew up together in Tocky, went to school together and still stay in touch. He’s told me some stories… nice lad, but.. oh well, there’s nothing to worry about really…
Our Arry hasn’t got time what with all the scams and writing for the sun.
PS… Gerry did you see where Sven first made his I’m a life long Red come and get me plea…
Yep. The current bun. Unbelievable, eh.
Oh well that’s defo it.
Tara for now.
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 #95 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 1:34 am
FS, good to see both you and your humour back in here, all the best.
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 #96 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 1:36 am
Oh forgot to say, but isn’t it convienent that Harry’s contract at Spurs is up for re negotiations. Lucky his sons on the ball, more money for Harry just out of rumourish interest and media speculations.
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 #97 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 4:58 am
That’s an impressive mailing list, FS.
Anyway, Standard Chartered has a larger presence here in Asia, so those on this side of the world might consider posting it to their local branches instead, with the Hong Kong and Singapore offices their main regional HQs here.
Oh, FS, I’m through with Digger. Just wanted the little fucking CUNT to feel extremely embarrassed and regret that picking a fight with a vindictive person with a righteous anger is a serious mistake should he ever dare resurface and give me that kind of bullshit.
Plus it makes me feel better to put him in his place, I don’t care if that makes me childish, but that’s the least he deserves. (So Digger, one more time, FUCK YOU. )
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 #98 |
Skeat
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 5:32 am
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When Kenny Dalglish – or as he will soon be renamed “Kingmaker Kenny” – conducts his first interview for the role of manager of Liverpool Football Club it will be interesting to hear him set out the job description. We can only pray he speaks very slowly and very honestly. For it is only fair the candidates be made completely aware of what is expected of them.
But then, we all know Dalglish won’t really be involved in the process and that he’s only been called upon to douse the anger of the mutineers. It’ll be down to whichever puppet the owners/board choose. Whoever it is – whether it’s the chairman, chief executive or a £10,000-an hour headhunter – they will have to be some salesman. A smooth-talker whose next assignment will not be to sell sand to the Arabs but sell a debt- ridden club to the Arabs. Perhaps the spiel to the prospective gaffer should go something like this…
“Right let’s get down to it – the last chap was a disaster. Rafa Benitez failed dismally. In six seasons he reached only two Champions’ League finals, winning only one of them to go alongside his one FA Cup. How dare he? And don’t even get us started about the Premier League. Do you know it took him five seasons to lead the club to its best League season in 19 years. Five seasons? I ask you, how much time did he want?
“Yes, yes, 2008-09 was rather promising on the face of it, losing just two games and collecting more points than any other runner-up in the history of the League. But we found out what he was about in the next campaign. Way down in seventh, a whole seven points off the fourth-place finish with which we would have been satisfied. It couldn’t go on, so it didn’t. Particularly when the press came on side and started printing the myths dressed up as damning statistics.
“Benitez signed more than 70 players for more than £240m. True, 30 of them were youth players and he did sell quite a few, too. In fact, when you do the actual maths his net spend is more like £80m, less than Spurs and, of course, less than Manchester City in the same period. But £240m sounds better, don’t you think? And the wages? Well, yes, ours are about three-quarters of United’s and Chelsea’s, but what’s that got to do with anything? This ungrateful man thought just because the new owners have given him virtually nowt to spend since they took over in 2007 he could whinge about it. Couldn’t he see we’re all suffering here? That even poor old George and Tom, as hard as they have tried, have been forced to put the club £350m in debt.
“So, you’ll understand, we had to get rid of him. He would definitely have caused a fuss when we sold Torres and Gerrard and gave him £15m for squad strengthening. You wouldn’t mind managing without those two would you? After all, Rafa effectively had to last season, with the Spaniard always injured and the new England captain in the worst form of his career.
“Still, there was no need for anyone to focus on that when they could blame him for selling Xabi Alonso and bringing in Alberto Aquilani. The most outrageous thing was that we only made £10m because of that piece of dreadful business. No, he had to go and now we have to go for a manager able to mask the cracks as we move ever deeper into the red and try to sell this club for a price it is simply not worth.
“So here’s what we expect from the new boss in a nutshell. You must qualify for the Champions’ League every year, winning it more often than once every six years and reaching the final every three years; you must do better in the Premier League than simply finishing a better second than any team before; and you must do all this on a smaller budget than your rivals, despite the fact everybody will claim otherwise. Do all that – and more importantly do it without moaning – and you’ll be a hero in Liverpool and Texas. And please don’t suffer one bad season that may or may not be a blip. Because you’ll never be able to prove it was a blip. Because we’ll get rid of you straight away and Fleet Street will applaud us for doing so.
“The fans? To hell with them. Thanks to those who we will soon have to call our ‘friends in the press’, the Anfield faithful can be dismissed as being more deluded than those cultists in Waco. Didn’t you know they only stuck by Rafa because they had made him the figurehead for their protests. Well, that’s what the columnists said anyway. It soon became accepted as a journalistic truth that the Liverpool support was ‘in denial’ when it came to Rafa and that in their hatred of the Americans they couldn’t spot his inadequacies. Insulting? Perhaps just a little bit, considering we’re talking here about fans who have consistently proved to be among the most knowledgeable. But it did the trick. They were talking rubbish – Rafa was rubbish. Had to go.
“So that brings us nicely on to you. How can you say no? Liverpool is a massive club, as you well know. And if we’re bought out by some rich Arabs one day we might again have the finances of a massive club. To be honest, I wouldn’t expect that to be Dubai now as they’re more skint than we are. But someone with bottomless pockets will turn up. You just need to give off the illusion this club are as big as they ever were while we’re waiting.
“So if you will just sign here, Mr Hiddink? Mr Hiddink? Mr Hiddink? Please don’t slam the door, we’ve only just mended it from when Souness left…
“Valerie, get me Dalglish on the phone. Ask him if he would be kind enough to stop the fans from rioting, will you?”
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 #99 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 10:37 am
Fuck this: cant sit around any longer. Been putting all my red mates onto SOS and encouraging to boycott official merchandise. Joined SOS this morning. Time to get stuck into these 2 cancerous cunts. WIll be e-mailing the above sponsors now and letting them know the real truth about cunto and cuntee.
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 #100 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 11:03 am
Skeat, here’s the sad sad thing… some of our fans would read that, especially the part of why Rafa had to go etc, and believe it was the gospel truth.
Sad times mate… but we don’t all fall for it. Some of us are fighting back.
Time to level with you lads, well, give you the little I can… finally there’s proper legal avenues being persude. I can’t say much but pressure is being brought to bear on the relevant people – the owners, the bankers/creidtors, politicians – by experts and professional people. That’s why me and others are rallying the troops and trying to get the numbers up…
1: Your tenner helps to pay for the fight.
2: Unity is strength… the more numbers we have, and can show we have, the more weight it carries and the more notice has to be taken.
I think it’s our only hope. But as the foot soldiers in this war, we must keep up the pressure we can.
How?
Well, you lads are doing it… joining the union, getting others in, putting pressure on the sponsors, boycotting official merchandise, informing the club and sponsors of this and why, getting others in to help, and do the same…
That’s a huge help. Don’t underestimate yourselves or what you’re doing. If we all do a little bit – the lot gets done.
Like I said, you do something, get someone else to do it, they do something, get someone else to do it, they do someth…
You get me drift.
So I know it’s a pain in the arse lads. I can’t wait to go back to talking footy and having a laugh. But if we don’t do it, it might be a long long time before we get back to what we like doing.
And I’m off now, but positive note… It’s working. There’s more and more each day. It’s not a waste of your time. We are having an affect.
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 #101 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 11:10 am
PS: Don’t forget to read this and pass it on…
http://bit.ly/ap4SQR
If that doesn’t rile people up, nothing will.
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 #102 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 11:17 am
PPS: That link to Well Red, as well as being a good way to get the truth to out to other Reds, it is a great source for facts when you write to the sponsors.
Page 4 and 5 are brilliant. Facts… in quick easily digestable snips…
Be warned though, it paints a pretty grim picture – but it’s the truth. We can’t let it get any worse.
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 #104 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 11:29 am
Oh ffs. I’ve got to turn this gizzmo off and get out of here… getting cabin fever, being drove mad.
But…
some lads have just emailed me. They’ve designed an alternative LFC shirt. They’re just finalising a few things. I’ll be back later with a link to the finished product.
Hats off to them. It looks brilliant. Far better than the official one. And it is going to go ahead… their in discussion with manufacturers and it looks like it will be available quite soon and quite cheaply, something like £15 including P&P.
Tell you what, we’ve got some clever, resourceful bastards on our side. Now they’re riled I wouldn’t want them coming after me… in fact, they are. I’ve got to get out. I’m being drove mental.
Later.
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SonOfAKhan
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
Posted this on my blog, hopefully it gets through to a few people:
Plea to all LFC Supporters: Do Your Part and Join the SOS
Our club is being sucked dry, slowly but surely, by two leeches. The amount of interest/money being paid to service the debt is enough to pay the wages of at least 5 top players. Rather than forcing a sale, the bank looks to be happily allowing the owners an extension of the loan taken as long it gets the lucrative income from the massive interest. How long until there comes a time when all our assets are stripped i.e.: players sold off and replaced by mediocre players (not to say that it has not started when the manager had to sell to buy) on top of all the income we make going towards servicing the debts and we are put into administration and relegated?
The only man, who is on the side of the fans in the whole set-up, has been removed. A man who gave the fans a hope for the future, being the most successful manager in the last 20 years and was wanted by so many big clubs which he declined for the love of LFC. A man that had 13 players in his squad good enough to be picked to play in the World Cup. He may have had his flaws but he was never a yes-man the owners were looking for.
Rafa Benitez stood in the way of the owners whose interest in the club is pure business. It is a lucrative income for the owners given the size of our club and its fanbase, and LFC doesn’t need to win any trophy for it to become a cash-cow for the owners. Just being at mid-table is good enough. Check out the few ‘investments’ the owners had made before LFC and you will get the drift.
The whole mess created by the owners smells so terrible it makes a public toilet feel like a perfume store. All the promises made were just lies and the media has had a hand in the smear campaign against the manager and unfortunately some fans fell for it and helped in his ousting (someone actually used the word ‘traitors’ to refer to this set of fans). It was so bad that some fans had this idea that all will be okay after Rafa left (I am actually glad that he left seeing the crap he had to take whilst being at LFC — he doesn’t deserve all that) and we will get the likes of Hiddinks to take over. Well, where is the Hiddink now? All we have left now is a board made up of more businesspersons working for the owners and King Kenny as the feel-good factor to hoodwink the fans, yet again before a yes-man is in his place while money being channeled out to the banks and to the Caymans.
What’s next? Torres being sold by the Chelsea trojan horse? Gerrard deciding to abandon ship? Benayoun forced to go look for greener pasture? Will we ever see any of the money from the sales go towards strengtening the squad? Forget about the title, will we ever qualify for the CL again?
These are the uncertainties that hang like a dark cloud over the club at the moment. As for the owners, I don’t think they care. As long as fans fill up the stadium and buy the merchandise, they will be happily laughing all the way to the bank. Even if the locals decides to boycott the games and the merchandise, no problem because the seats will be filled up by tourists who will visit the store before and after the games. And it will continue as long as the owners are not forced by the banks to sell. But why would the banks do that when they themselves are getting a fair share of the whole deal, 1M a week in payable interest is good business.
We the fans are the victims in this whole mess and we will surely witness further decline of the club we love dearly given the circumstances. Fans from all around the world should reignite what used to be the notion of us being the most knowledgeable fans and start supporting the efforts for the survival of OUR club. We should not just sit aside and watch our club crumble and, heaven forbids, becomes another Leeds or Newcastle. Just like the few efforts put up by individuals recently, for example the recent letters sent to all media stating our thoughts, there are more efforts being put into place. According to sources close to this whole mess, things are not so gloomy if everything goes according to plan. We might, at last, get rid of the two viruses. Even if it doesn’t happen quickly, we can at least look back and say that we tried our best.
One step being discussed towards this is not buying any merchandise because this indirectly puts money into the pockets of the greedy leeches, so I will not be buying the jersey. The second step is to start boycotting everything that is related to the two twats. The third would be to start writing to entities related directly or indirectly to the two twats and LFC stating our thoughts and what we intend to do.
But the most important step is to sign up as a member of SOS. It costs only £10 a year but it would be money well spent as SOS needs the numbers behind them and they have something prepared up their sleeves. Doing this is simple, just go here and do the necessary: http://www.spiritofshankly.com/join.html
Hopefully the Phoenix will again rise from the ashes with the help from all of us, true to the sacred words of You’ll Never Walk Alone!
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 6:43 pm
Good man SOAK… we need to spread this as wide and far as possible. We are having an affect. In fact, I’m just doing the rounds telling lads what’s going on…
The union membership has jumped by over a 1000 this weekend. I haven’t got a final figure because the counter’s still whizzing round… Fuck the media. They won’t do anything but slag us. So we’ll advertise ourselves.
Demand for SOS shirts has been so big that they can’t cope. They’ve had to suspend sales until they get it better organised…
They’ve probably asked the old boy in Stanley Park to drop his shovel, lock the porta cabin and get a real job, packing T-shirts.
But arsing about aside, that’s good news… shows how interest has shot up.
The alternative kit is being finalised and should be available within a matter of days. I’ve seen the mock ups… It’s a belter.
Standard Chartered has been turned into Standards comprimised, and it looks the business. My days of tight hugging nylon are well gone. Well, they never really began. I don’t mind the night’s like, but that’s another story… but I will be getting one of these kits. Great keepsake, and handy when the Grandkids ask…
What did you do in the war, Grampy?
And arsing about aside… The letter/email campaign is already getting responses from sponsors…
They are saying words like “Concerned,” let’s turn it to “Worried panic.”
The march is growing. It’s been made official. Insurance has been taken out. Police, Ambulance and Fire services have been notified. Permits have been applied for. It will go ahead without them if needs be, but it should be all legal and above board. The media has been alerted… let’s see them ignore this one.
The new official kit launch has been announced… pickets will be there handing out anti-H&G literature telling people exactly where their money is going. Flyers are being made up for this… It’ll be all the facts from pages 4 and 5 of Well Red, with some artwork, either the Hicks baseball bat picture, the Liverbird blood bag or hopefully my favourite, the crying Liverbird. But whatever it is, I’m sure it will be educational and effective.
Bank accounts with RBS and BofA are being closed. And there’s other things going on. I can’t think of it all right now, but the point is… results are being achieved and more and more people are becoming involved. But most importantly… the money people are becoming concerned. Well wait until they see what’s going to hit them in a week or so… they’ll shite.
So keep it up lads. Keep dragging people onboard. Seems like we aren’t pissing into the wind after all.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 7:02 pm
Oh yeah…
I’ve heard the anti-Hicks song. Me mate’s finished it now. It should go down well with you Irish lads. It’s an adjusted version of this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54PDlicm_94
We Are The Sons Of Anfield.
There’s no speaking bit on it… we couldn’t get Liam Niesen to do it, said he’s boycotting all merchandise. Well, you know what them Paddies are like, eh
Nah. It’s just a few of the lads on guitars and drums. They’ve done a great job though – especially considering they’ve never even played together before, by all accounts the equipment wasn’t exactly state of the art, and they played, cut and mixed it all in a matter of hours.
And one of the lads is working on a video to go with it… That will have the spoken bit on it. It will also have some great artwork and anti-H&G facts.
A few of us have been onto all the local media, the papers, telly and radio. And if we get them interested, I’ve got to get onto the supporters club and there’ll be a launching there… hopefully getting it loads of exposure.
So things are happening. It looks like the phoney war is finally over and we haven’t even got the big guns out yet.
So fingers crossed lads.
On a sour note… if you want to see what we’re up against, tune in to Panorama on BBC1 tomorrow night…
It’s devoted to that great people’s uprising and Norwich City scarf selling operation down the East Lancs.
That’s why it’s down to us to keep this going. We won’t get help. We have to do it all ourselves.
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guinnessdrinker
Posted on June 7, 2010 @ 8:18 pm
feckers on youtube have deleted it!!!
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Aitch
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 12:03 am
Oh My God!
Gerry if you know Andy Harvey, go kick him in the balls for us would you?
I cannot believe the absolute Fuckin Deluded tripe he just trotted out on the mainpage in his “What Now” article.
THAT… is what we are up against!
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Zuhyr
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 1:27 am
If the file in youtube got deleted,y dont you use megavideo?
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donalfromthegap
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 2:21 am
Agreed Aitch
If opinions are like arseholes then we shouldn’t have to smell all of them….REALLY!
Kopblog and SOS are the only places I can go now for some sanity
FFS ‘getting back to basics” and ‘wheeling and dealing’ are what people want
forget the Man who has re-vamped our whole club from top to bottom and tried to make a REAL future for Liverpool
“Fuck it dude lets go bowling!”
Over and out
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Abhishek
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 6:36 am
FS, its nice to know so much effort is put on to save our club. I’ll surely try to contribute wherever i can
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knight
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 10:54 am
Hi FS. Glad to see you back in your full gladiator gear! Haha. Just signed up as SOS member after several frustrating tries. Cheers, mate!
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knight
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:08 am
Hi Skeat, my fellow Malaysia friend. Quite a good article this. Here it is, the one posted earlier (#103) by Lugankop:
Monday, 7 June 2010
LIVERPOOL FC: A response to Chris Bascombe’s hatchet job
TEAR apart a poisonous presentation of something at Liverpool FC and you’ll always get the same response: Why does it matter?
Just ignore it, will be the cry. Don’t buy the newspaper, give the website a swerve, turn the telly off or change the radio station.
Admittedly for my own blood pressure it works a treat (I’m a much calmer man since I stopped listening to Talk Sport and those dents in the steering wheel have started to recede).
Adopting that strategy is all well and good but when apathy rules, people start to take the piss. And then you realise – misinformation does matter.
It matters because it’s a distraction. A noise. It’s like someone waving something shiny on the hard shoulder of the motorway – you end up looking when you should be braking to avoid the crash.
The latest distraction comes from Chris Bascombe. And the something shiny in his case is a freshly-sharpened hatchet.
Bascombe, formerly of the Liverpool Echo, and a Liverpool fan, now writes for the News of the World.
I don’t buy the paper, I don’t visit their website – not just because of their obvious link to The S*n but also because I don’t enjoy their particular brand of journalism.
But it’s still relatively easy to be exposed to Bascombe’s work – it’s a reoccurring thread in one of the Liverpool forums for instance. And like it or not, the NOTW is the biggest selling newspaper in Britain.
So Bascombe’s words carry weight with some. Many will pick up that paper without knowing the background and believe every word.
I’m not one of them. In fact, I’d go as far as to describe his latest piece as a joke.
Coming just a day after a brilliant warts-and-all summing up of Rafa Benitez’s reign by The Mirror’s Brian Reade, Bascombe couldn’t resist the temptation to plunge the knife into Benitez, the man who helped him win awards at the Echo – and secure a move to a national in the first place.
Because in journalism, contacts are king. Being a competent writer is only half the battle. To win the awards, to impress the big boys, you need a man on the inside. And who better than the manager?
But that was then. And when the Benitez-Bascombe relationship soured, the former Old Hall Street scribe didn’t like it.
So when he kicks off his bitter, one-eyed piece with the line about Benitez forgetting about the players, about him having “minimal support”, what’s that based on? Because it’s not fact.
Bascombe probably does still have some contacts at Liverpool – his key one isn’t hard to work out, he wrote his book. But one player’s view isn’t necessarily the view of the whole squad – and shouldn’t be presented as so.
So for Bascombe’s yin in that he claims Benitez had little backing in the dressing room, I give you Tony Barrett’s yang from a recent webchat he did for The Times.
Asked if player power had played a part in Benitez getting the sack, Barrett replied:
“This myth is being perpetuated to ridiculous levels now. I spoke to a very senior Liverpool player today, one who has been outspoken in his criticism of the owners, and he told me the Liverpool dressing room was no different to any other.
“There are players who don’t like Benitez, there are others who do like him and there are those who change their opinion of the manager according to variables such as whether or not they are in the team and results.”
So there’s a view from the inside, from a player – and to him the Liverpool dressing room was no different to any workplace.
Yet to Bascombe, it’s the frontline of a warzone.
The alleged evidence of how Benitez mistreated the players, too, is laughable.
Rafa Benitez signed Fernando Torres’s hat-trick ball against Hull with ‘Keep working’.
Funny how that sentence evokes no emotion when written on its own. Yet Bascombe dresses it up like Benitez had pulled down the striker’s shorts and smacked his arse in front of the rest of the players.
It’s the same with Henry Winter, a journalist that moves in similar circles, with his constant reference of the ‘cold detachment’ of Benitez.
I don’t know about anyone else, but in my working life I’ve never had a manager that wraps me in a fur coat, puts me in front of the fire and tells me how good I am every five minutes. Why does a professional footballer need that kind of treatment – particularly one as good as Torres?
If signing a ball ‘keep working’ is the best evidence Bascombe can present that Benitez is ‘cold’ after six years, is it unfair to suggest he is clutching at straws?
Then there’s the suggestions that Benitez was/is deluded, is some kind of crank – like his attacks on the owners were almost out of order, something he’d dreamt up and exaggerated.
Suggestions which, coming from a Liverpool fan, are startling. Bascombe, more than most, should be all too aware of the perilous position the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett has put the club in – yet it’s almost swatted aside as a side issue.
So while Bascombe admits: “He had much to complain about due to the owners…” he goes on to say “Working for mad chairmen is an occupational hazard but most managers deal with it in a shrewder manner.”
But most managers are not dealing with chairmen whose sole aim is to line their pockets. Most managers can rely on some modicum of support from their chairmen, and most chairmen have some idea about football and know, for instance, that if you need a centre half when you are trying to mount a title challenge, you don’t go scouring the bottom end of the market.
The vindictive attack goes on and on, tempered only by the sentence: “He was and still is a world-class coach.”
My guess is that came afterwards, probably just as he was about to hit send, when he thought: ‘Hang on – let’s make this a balanced piece…”
That lines appears before he walks off down another avenue – a route where it is clear on which side of the divide he was when the recent public battle of Anfield was taking place.
“Benitez thought he’d won his war. Instead he came up against Christian Purslow at a time when key players’ form dipped and injuries took their toll.”
Ah Purslow, all hail the suited-up bean counter – our saviour. Ask yourself this, have you ever known a managing director’s name appear in the press so frequently? The Telegraph’s Winter, the Daily Mail’s Ian Ladyman, The Mirror’s Dave Maddock – all time and again tellling us what a wonderful job this man is doing while at the same time attacking Benitez and often barely giving a nod to the club’s off-field problems.
Anyone would think that some kind of briefings have been taking place…
And what of Purslow? Why is he still here? What’s his role? And why is he now getting involved in football matters?
Wasn’t it his brief to sell the club (or at the very least bring in some new investment)?
“Vulnerable, Benitez became more confrontational. Purslow soon found himself cast as panto villain amongst the clan referred to in Anfield circles as ‘the Rafa mafia’. The poisonous leaks against Purslow were assisted by the careful manipulation of Benitez’s sympathisers who laughably complained when the boss became the victim of his own smear tactics.”
So what “poisonous leaks” are they then, Chris? Is it supposed to refer to the incident with Spirit of Shankly when “Cecil” tried to release some more spin to fans and SOS felt it was time to reveal what was really being said by a senior official about the future of our club?
Quite how that constitutes Benitez attempting to smear Purslow, I don’t know. But it seems the only logical explanation. Otherwise I’m struggling to understand the reference, as are many others.
Whereas if you want evidence of leaks about Benitez being put out to the press by Purslow, well we can go back as far as November when Winter wrote:
“But it is known around Anfield that Purslow has talked to Benítez about his style of management, notably his cold detachment from the players”
Now THAT’S a poisonous leak, as is suggesting the former manager was deliberately missing meetings with Martin Broughton, the new chairman, when he in fact was preparing for a mammoth journey across Europe to Madrid.
Tearing shreds off Benitez isn’t Bascombe’s only agenda in his latest piece, either. He decides to have a go at fans, too:
“His departure should not only leave fans assessing where the club goes but cause some to re-think their own role. There’s a flaw in the ethos of a club which too readily makes gods of managers.”
“There’s a well meaning but misguided element of Liverpool’s support seduced by Benitez’s chippy approach. They want Liverpool as a club and city to be belligerent street fighters and their extreme view of what the Scouse mentality is rooted in militant caricature. Benitez bought into this which is why his behaviour became so erratic.”
There’s also a flaw, Chris, in journalists who too readily accept the viewpoint of one player, or one boardroom suit, without considering what their agenda is; without questioning it; without offering balance.
As for telling fans how they should behave, what they should believe in – even what their politics should be, well who appointed you God, Chris?
Perhaps these fans who you mock recognise the state their club is in. Perhaps they recognise that there is a fight taking place and in Benitez they had an ally – what do you want, a puppet? A man who will watch as Steven Gerrard, Javier Mascherano and maybe even Torres are sold from under him, and will say nothing? A man who won’t make a murmur when the promised budget disappears, or when yet another signing goes to the dogs because of tinkering and money watching?
Well not for me, Chris. There’s problems enough at the club and Benitez, love or hate his football, was well used to dealing with them.
As you say, he was and is, a world-class coach – something Liverpool now look unlikely to attract.
But it’s OK Chris, instead of asking the questions we really want answering – like why spend £6million giving one manager the boot, and £3m to attract an inferior one when we’re skint; like why sack the boss without having a replacement lined up; like why target one-season wonders, second-rate nomads and men with less than desirable links and track records that don’t stand up when you had a European Cup winner on board?
Instead of those, let’s tackle what’s really important: that the manager stopped giving you stories, you didn’t like it and you couldn’t wait to stick the boot in.
That makes you a much better Liverpool fan, Chris. Much better.
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knight
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:12 am
The article was “Posted by robbohuyton”
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An Linn
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:16 am
Finally able to get back on,
First of all well done FS for fighting the good fight- can’t say you didn’t warn us,
Aitch yes just read that article loved the comment ” I think theres a lot of cause for excitment and optimism now” WTF
But I do believe one of our own kop bloggers (Chris Duigan)left a good comment setting him straight – I was going to say Steve the Red but that doesn’t make sense
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 #119 |
knight
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:24 am
And reading the comments on the Robbohuyton article, I came across one which is quite telling:
Comments by Ash
Well written article (by Robbo Huyton). Agree completely.
Rafa was our defender. He battled against everyone for the good of the CLUB.
Parry, Moores..all had to go.
What has Purslow done so far?
Broughton is a self-chelski fan – So what can we expect from this guy?
Rafa was the only MAN to have risen against powers stronger than him and he was no coward by any means to stand up against the likes of Fergie, Mourinho and the Anfield hiearchy.
True, he made mistakes in the market. But then who does not? Secondly, he showed that his buys were good when he was given around 10 millions to spend on a player. Johnson is good and Aquilani will be too.
Rafa made the me a very very proud fan when I watched the Liverpool of 2008-2009 tearing into sides like manure, chelsea, real madrid and co with aplomb and an air of invincibility, yet so much guile and above all the work of a tactical genius manoeuvring from behind. That was the Liverpool of Rafa, The Machine, that’s how he liked his team to play when he has all the players available and fit.
Sadly we were all the time punching above our weight, considering lack of investments. But we did not feel it in the season 08-09 as all the ingredients for success were here. That’s mainly few injuries to key personnel.
Rafa has been sacked because he asked too many questions and he wanted to bring success to us. How would he be able to achieve this without “quality signings”?
Would Mourinho or Hiddink or Van Gaal or any world class manager accept to come to Liverpool without any financial guarantees available?
They have now sacked a world class manager who loved this club and was ready for the challenge for the new season.
Now bring on the second best!
Shame on the Americans, Shame on the Anfiel Hiearchy, Shame on the so called football pundits who know it all supposedly and SHAME on the Ex-Liverpool players from their sofas on a saturday night think they can come out with all rubbish on TV!
Sadly, the future does not look bright.
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donalfromthegap
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:47 am
Good to hear from ya Knight
wish it was under better circumstances
Lads you just have to look at the reactions of the 2 people who have commented on Rafas sacking
Riera – delighted
Reina – Gutted
now ask yourself which one is the good and evil?
Which one actually cares about what happens to the club you love?
(rhetorical question)
and which camp are you in?
Over and out
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 #121 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:56 am
Dirk Kuyt was interviewed here in SA during a Netherlands training session. The inevitable question was asked: ‘what do you think about Rafa’s departure from Liverpool?’
He was diplomatic – couldn’t say too much, could he – but said he was very dissapointed to hear that Rafa was gone, but that was football & managers, like players, come and go.
Would have liked to have seen something a bit stronger from him, but I think the question caught him by surprise a wee bit.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 1:28 pm
Hiya Knight me old mate. Congratulations on taking the plunge and joining… I know you had reservations about SOS. A lot of people do, but their good people, just like us, just concerned fans trying to do their best and they have been working hard on putting right some of their mistakes. And more importantly, they’re taking the fight to the next level…
It’s not complete doom and gloom just yet. Well, yeah it is and it has been since H&G walked through the door. But at least, everything possible is being done to boot them back out.
Knight…
I sort of know the lad who wrote that article. He knows Jock and I sort of know him through that, but not properly. He’s a good red though. And if you haven’t read that link to WELL RED…
In fact anyone who hasn’t you really should.
Here goes again…
http://bit.ly/ap4SQR
You should all read it. Pages 4 and 5 nutshell things, and come in very handy for reference… when writing to sponsors or just putting idiots in their place.
As for SOS… Knight, in fact all lads overseas, you can start your own chapter now. It’s been set up so that concerned over seas reds can run their own chapter in their own backyard.
I don’t know too much about it. I’ll go get something and get right back with it.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 1:46 pm
Here you go…
[email protected]
That’s the direct email to the secretary. His name’s Graham Smith. If you fancy setting up a chapter of your own, get on to him.
The ordinary email addresses are jammed up to fuck and it’s taking people ages to work their way through them. So use that if you want to have a go.
But please, please, please…
Don’t use it to just say Hiya Graham great work or any of that.
That’s why the emails are so jammed. They are having to sift through tons of it and good info, etc, is probably being lost in the process.
But if you want the information on how to set up a chapter of your own, use it and feel free to tell Graham you know me. He’ll point you in the right direction and help you out.
Anyway, got to go. Keep up the good work, don’t forget to wallop them sponsors… we are starting to worry them now.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 1:58 pm
PS…
Told you days ago. It’s been announced today…
Season tickets are going up by 7%.
It’s all part of the plan. The singers/local blocks on the Kop are being broke up. It took years of negotiations to set them up. They’re being dismantled in minutes. The ordinary and local fans are being broken up and forced/priced out. The ground will soon need a karaoke man singing United roads of Anfield rd or some such shite.
Sorry for banging on. I don’t enjoy this either lads but it has to be done.
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artful_dodger74
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 3:24 pm
E-mailed those sponsors. Didnt take long at all. Just needed to sit down and devote a bit of time to it. I advise anyone and everyone to do the same. Even if you can only do that small bit. Everything helps. And believe me when i say, fuck do i feel good after it. It feels good to do your bit. Also get on to the union and join them. They are doing some sterling work over there and may be the only object standing in the way of a total meltdown at the club.
SAVE LIVERPOOL FC
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 3:53 pm
Came in to post something for you lads to read, but firstly…
Good man Artful.
See lads it’s true…
It doesn’t take long and it feels like you’ve done something. Great stuff Art.
Here’s something you should all read…
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/david-maddock/Why-RBS-and-Barclays-Capital-should-stop-being-a-bunch-of-bankers-and-force-Hicks-and-Gillett-to-sell-Liverpool-The-David-Maddock-Column-article452955.html
And the funny thing about it…
The author, Dave Maddock, is a complete prick and absolute LFC/Rafa hater.
He was one of the worst for slating the club, but especially Rafa.
But – and this is a well known fact amongst some reds – he’s Purslow’s little media gimp.
Yep, he’s the fella who Purslow leaks things to and uses to stir up the shit.
So, I have to wonder what’s going on here. Did Purslow slide him this info and tell him to print?
I don’t know, but it’s very strange.
I suppose all we can do is keep chipping away, but I can’t shake the feeling that something is about to happen.
Let’s just hope it’s not going to get any worse, if that’s possible.
But 2 articles in a matter of hours, from the same source…
This one and the one saying 2 perfectly good buyers had been found only to be knocked by Hicks because he wanted more…
Well, something must be going on – even though it’s in the arse wipe Mirror.
I mean, Boughtman, brought in to oversee the sale – even if H&G disagreed to it – saying nothing to deny the rumours that perfectly good buyers had been found.
And then this from Purslow’s gimp…
something’s going on.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 4:20 pm
Fatty,One of the lads in the job today pointed that article out to me.
At first i just brushed it off as another journo filling space during sumer time then i realised it was Maddock,who in turn is Purslow`s gimp as you said.
There have been so many false dawns in the past i think i can be forgiven for thinking this is more shite.Well we`ll have to wait and see.
Got those e-mails off to the sponsors done yesterday.Today i round up a few lads too in work to join up SOS.Even one who wanted Rafa out the door all last season had realised in the close of the season that it wasn`t for football reasons but he`d rather that Rafa be kept on to fight the tumours.
Then shortly after that Rafa gets the door.Feckin Jonah!!
Anyhow around 6 said they`d sign up weather they will or not is another thing.I can`t do any more.
Did the Facebook thing too hope to get a few soldiers from there too.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 5:13 pm
That’s brilliant Timmy, and that’s all you can do… you know, you can lead a horse to water, but..
So, well in mate. I’ve been told the membership is still climbing steadily after it bombed up on the weekend. They can’t keep up with it all… even T-shirt sales have had to be suspended, while they try and catch up on it all…
I think they sent the aul fella from Stanley Park to get a few of his mates to help out.
As for the Maddocks thing…
Yep. It’s really strange mate. I can’t get me head round it yet. But I think we should capitalise on it.
As I said, things are going on with RBS. I’ll explain that later, but it’s Barclay’s Capital that are dealing with the sale of the club.
I think we should blitz them with a short note of our own and attach Maddocks article. The only problem with that is…
I’ve got the list of the top brass at Barclay’s Capital but no email addresses, just an actual adress for the company… there’s two, one in London one in Manchester.
I think letters to the head honcho are the way to go. I’m trying to find the actual fellas who are handling our business. But I think a quick email blitz would do no harm, problem is… I only have the email for the company relations person. Blitz them and they’ll just get fed up and bin them without even mentioning it. But I suppose it’s still worth a try.
Hang on, I’ll get the email if anyone fancies having a go.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 5:27 pm
Here you go…
[email protected].
But as I said, how much affect it will have, how much heed they’ll take, what use it is, etc…
Fuck knows.
What I’m going to do is just cut and paste Maddocks article, put the facts and figures in off page 4 and 5 of WELL RED, and a few lines of me own… Do you really want to be smeared with all this, etc.
And then I’ll fire it off and see what happens.
But tonight I’m writing a letter to the head fella at the company. I’m too busy to go rooting around again. If you want to do the same…
Put contact Barclays Capital in your search bar, and have a mooch round in thier site. There’s a list of the top executives. I don’t know which one’s dealing with our business. If I find out, I’ll post it in here. But I’m just going to have a go at the top fella… somebody Diamond Jr.
Looks like he’s the one to go for.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 5:39 pm
Ya Fatty if you can,we`ll all give it a go.
We`re willing to try anything now at this stage.
Just back to the Article,i wonder did purslow have a falling out with Hicks and instructed Maddock to paint him as the lesser of two evils?
Looking at that it looks like Gillette is ready to roll but Hicks is the real blood sucker of the two.
Some will fall for that weather its the truth or not.
Somethings Fishy Alright.
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somnath07in
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 6:30 pm
Great work FS. Interesting point about Maddock’s article. He used to write things against Liverpool. Suddenly there is a change.
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Aitch
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 6:47 pm
There’s no great mystery about either of those Maddck articles lads.
Go read them again.
But go sentence by sentence… and think about what is written in each sentence… seperate of the rest of the article.
We are fast approaching the time whent he music will suddenly STOP…
… and nobody wants to be the one without a chair.
In the current situation, everyone is still making money. Everyone!
RBS
G&H
Broughton
Purslow
They are all banking checks written against LFC.
When a sale goes through… and there will be a sale… its just a question of when, not if… regardless of whether its £400 million or £800 million… EVERYONE makes money.
G&H are siphoning off what they can (take a good look at some of the numbers that don’t add up in those two article… yet again!)
RBS are banking their Daily VIG
Purslow is banking his weekly packet
So too is Broughton
And when the sale goes through, they’ll all pocket cash.
Not just RBS and the Owners.
Broughton will be on some sort of commission as will Purslow for his involvement in all this.
So there’s no mystery in “binning offers” as that is just to wring more red cents out of any deal that is on offer.
And there’s no great mystery about leaks of such goings on.
This is ALL about deflecting blame now.
When the dust settles… and it’ll be far from settled, even when a deal is eventually done…
… even if that deal is with some mega-billionaire… (anyone who thinks that is a quick fix to our problems is fuckin deluding themselves.)
… no one wants to be the “Moores” or “Parry” in this chapter and they are just trying to get their claim of innocense in early, so we don’t suspect them after the fact and point fingers in the wrong direction…
… you know, like say… at the manager who so nearly got us there.
Wake up people!
STOP reading what you WANT to hear and start analyzing what you read.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:30 pm
Behave Aitch… I’m not, and neither is Timmy, daft.
It’s nothing to do with what you’ve written that confuses us. It’s about what’s going on behind the scenes. If you stop and think about it, and all the players involved, their remits, and what there doing in this scenario, it’s a very puzzling and strange situation indeed.
But I’m not here to play Columbo or argue the details with you. I’m here with something good for a change…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTxBaHx2VNM
It’s just a little taste. That’s me mate Terry on guitar and San Miguel, cracking lad and a boss red. That vids just a little taster, sort of an advert to get it in the shop window. The tune and video will be along soon.
They’re going to be playing it on the steps of St. George’s Hall before the march to Anfield sets of on July 4th.
If anyone’s going, look out for me flag… I probably won’t be carrying it. Fuck that. I’ll have some young bucks do the hard work. In fact, I probably won’t even march… lazy fat fucker. I’ll be at the start and then jump the bus up to the ground, have a few pints in the King Harry (at the back of the centenary stand) and then nip round to the ground as the march arrives… Bingo job done.
So anyway… don’t get a cob on Aitch. I’m not having a go. Believe me, there’s far smarter people than me, and far smarter people than me with inside info, scratching their heads and trying to work out what’s going on. But honestly mate, something is and it’s a mystery.
No doubt it will become clearer soon. Let’s hope it’s good… well, there is no good in this really, but you know what I mean.
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Aitch
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:31 pm
And So It Begins….
Two headlines from today’s Echo…
1. Former Liverpool FC manager Rafael Benitez set to return to Anfield to raid trio.
First team coach Mauricio Pellegrino, goalkeeping coach Xavi Valero and fitness coach Paco de Miguel are likely to link up with Benitez at the San Siro where he is expected to be unveiled as the new Inter manager.
and I know FS already mentionedd it, but…
2. Liverpool FC announce 7% rise in season ticket prices.
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 #137 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:42 pm
And Aitch…
It’s still to be confirmed but yes mate… apparently Rafa’s joined Inter.
Fuckinell. We, us, in total disaray, buy off and force out the door a manager, and he’s swooped on by the Champion’s of Europe while we decide between the likes of Hodgson and Hughes!
And the only mystery in any of that…
H&G, Purslow and Boughtman and Ayres, do they really think we are stupid enough to believe Rafa was sacked for finishing 7th?
In fact, do they think any of us are stupid enough to believe another word any of them say?
I’m listening to Guillam Belague on the radio…
He spoke to Torres and Gerrard they are both pissed off Rafa has been forced out/bought off. They are fuming they have been used in this by the media… saying they helped force him out, and now that he has gone, they are both considering fucking off.
Come on lads, let’s force these fuckers out before we are left with nothing.
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 #138 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:45 pm
PS… where’s all the Rafa bashers?
With that news, I’m really ready to rip into one of them stupid bastards. In fact, I’m off to find some, but you know what…
They’re all in hiding.
Fuckin fools and traitors… They’re one or the other, no more no less. But I suppose the fools at least have an excuse.
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 #139 |
Aitch
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:46 pm
Alright FS, have it as you will.
My post wasn’t meant as a pop at you, or timmy.
You’ve been absent for a while now, so maybe you didn’t take into account the position I’ve been maintaining since you left. You’re not the only one flying the flag mate.
I’ll freely admit, you likely have more inside info than I do out here in Cali… But I fail to see any mystery in anything that has transpired this week…. or for that matter for 6 to 12 months, now.
It has been on the wall and in the cards for a long time.
I’m not the least bit surprised by any of the math related to the oustanding loan figures…
…or the fact that those figures seemingly change with the wind… or Hicks’ underwear…
In one of those articles there is a passage that indicates that part of the loan extention had a “facility for extending the loan from £270 million, back up to £300 million”…
I mean… What The Fuck??? …
…I didn’t know that…. but I’m not fuckin surprised by it either…
… I wasn’t at all surprised when Rafa was forced out this week…
…or by the manner in which it was done…
… and I seriously doubt I’ll be surprised by anything else that transpires this summer.
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:53 pm
Looking forward to the Sons of Anfield’s song FS. Let’s keep up the momentum.
For my part I’ve just drafted the letters to Standard Chartered et al. Only took 30 odd minutes to do them all and they will be posted tomorrow. Com’on lads, get the digits out and typing on those keyboards!
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 #141 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:55 pm
It’s done. It’s confirmed. Rafa gets unveiled at the San Siro tomorrow.
Well done Diggerreedoo, Bowel Movement and the likes you got you way. In fact, you only done what was right…
You helped force a European Champion’s League winning manager into the arms of the European Champions, and you helped a club full of knobheads to get a knobhead like Hughes or the likes.
Well done lads. Take a bow, great work.
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 #142 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:58 pm
Fuckinell. We, us, in total disaray, buy off and force out the door a manager, and he’s swooped on by the Champion’s of Europe while we decide between the likes of Hodgson and Hughes!
-o-
Very true FS and enough to make me vomit, again. Not good enough for the mighty and bankrupt LFC but good enough for Inter – winners of Serie A for the last 5 years and current CL champions.
WTF are they thinking?
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 #143 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 8:59 pm
Aitch you’re getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. I’m too busy to go through it all with you, but like I said, look at the players in this, look at their remits, look at the relationships between them all…
Believe me mate… Columbo couldn’t fuckin work it out. In fact, like I said, dead smart lads in the know, on the inside, can’t work it out… we do have spies in the club you know. It’s a complete and utter fuckin mystery mate. Let’s just hope it comes out on our side.
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 #144 |
Aitch
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 9:05 pm
“I’m listening to Guillam Belague on the radio…
He spoke to Torres and Gerrard they are both pissed off Rafa has been forced out/bought off. They are fuming they have been used in this by the media… saying they helped force him out, and now that he has gone, they are both considering fucking off.”
My reaction to that…
Where the fuck were both of you when the knives were out?
I don’t recall too many photos of you standing arm-in-arm with the manager you’re supposedly furious has just been shit-canned.
For fucks sake… the two of you are on the inside… you knew this was coming.
Where were the press statements in support of Rafa over the last 2 months?
The statements railing against the anti-Rafas in the press and support, setting the record straight about the supposed “loss of the dressing room”?
The statements that in-spite of finishing 7th… which the players bare responsibility for … you were both fully behind the manager?
Coz I read a LOT… and I didn’t see but a few quick snippets when you were backed into a corner by a journo after a match.
For fucks sake… we’ve got posters all over the internet now putting down their smoking guns and slowly backing away from their vehemently held positions that we needed Rafa out… and adopting veiled support for him… “I still think he made mistakes and was stubborn and a bad man-manager and his tactics and substitutions drove me mad but…
… well too late muthafuckers… coz those statements gave G&H the ammunition they needed.
The efforts of SOS are magnificent and should be rightly lauded (as you are doing FS) and I don’t make the following statement in ignorance of those efforts… but seriously…
… seriously…
Reds need to look at themselves in the mirror…
500 people showed up at that protest last week (and like I said, I applaud them for it)
but
500,000 were Reds when the bus rolled by with old Big Ears on it.
If 5,000 people, or 50,000 people had marched on Anfield … in support of Rafa… the day after finishing 7th…
…would they have felt they could get away with firing him?
…would he have considered staying?
They are fuming they have been used by the media?
Really.
Were they not watchign TV for the last 12 months?
Have they not read a paper for the last 12 months?
I’m sorry but reading those statements just PISSES ME OFF!
Enjoy your new Villas in Spain, lads…
…the rest of us…
… we’ll be hoping to finish above Sunderland, Birmingham and Fulham!
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 9:07 pm
“WTF are they thinking?”
That bit Lurgy is totally clear… last obstacle out the way, let the asset stripping begin.
But there could still be a glimmer of hope in this Purslow/Maddocks thing.
Oh well, we’ll soon find out.
PS… it’s compounded by a rumour that’s flying round Liverpool. Forgot to say this, and if there’s any truth in it, Aitch, you’ll see how the plot is thickening…
Apparently Dalglish, who loves Rafa hates the other two but is friendly with Purslow, offered to take the club on, take the reigns for pre-season and for the early part if needed to give them time to find the right man.
This was knocked back… excuse too temporary. So, Kenny offered to take the club for a season, while the owners got out and giving them time to find the right man.
Again this was turned down. Kenny smelled a rat and walked out…
Nothing is being done. Nothing at all to find a manager. Kenny is refusing to be the patsy while some behind the scenes shenanigans are played out.
As I said, rumour. But from decent sources and it seems to make sense as this new round of pressure is put on them by Maddocks through Purslow.
I don’t fuckin know, me head’s wrecked with it all.
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 #146 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 9:10 pm
Aitch ffs mate… Torres done nothing but back the manager for months. Stevie on the other hand as we all know, just isn’t like that.
I told you before and I know it for fact, not through Bellague, I just mentioned that because I’m listening to him. I know from people close to the person concerned there is only one player at LFC who turned on Rafa… and I don’t mean Riera.
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 #147 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 9:17 pm
FS, seems that my ‘WTF are they thinking’ was misleading. I meant ‘WTF are Inter thinking’.
It’s difficult to highlight sarcasm sometimes.
Interesting about King Kenny but we shall just have to wait a bit to see how it pans out.
The WC starts this Friday so this should take some of the spotlight, unfortunately, from G&H.
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Aitch
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 9:55 pm
We’re talking at cross-purposes FS.
You know we’re on the same side right?
I’m not suggesting they turned on Rafa FS…
If you’d been around over the last few months you’d know that from my disturbingly lengthy contributions in here, chipping away at every myth that has been published, calling the douchebags on their misguided and ill-informed opinions, trying to point out things in articles that didn’t add up, making sure people in here were aware of articles by real journos (few of them though there may be) that were actually not caught up in the hyperbole.
I don’t calim to know what was done or said on the inside at the club…
…and I’ve read pretty much all the articles published throughout this season, where various players have had words, both of support for Rafa, and against the owners…
… but their backing (all the players really) in my opinion, wasn’t loud enough, wasn’t public enough to shout down the Press Corps.
What I mean by that, is this… if it had been me… I’d have been in their face, on to reporters weekly, after every game saying,
“Look lay off the gaffa, he’s doing his best. He’s setting us up right every game, we’ve had loads of injuries, half of us are playign half-fit, doing our best for the boss, but we just haven’t been able to find our way out of it. He’s motivating us just fine, and has the full support of the dressing room.”
That didn’t happen. And it needed to in the face of the agenda (in the media and the boardroom)
Would it have taken so much to just keep repeating something like that and at least dull the knives that were out there?
Everyone, players and fans alike, in my opinion, went into a collective funk as the season slipped away from us…
I think things could have been said and done to support Rafa, that weren’t said and done…
… and again, I’m talking about on a larger scale, by a larger group of people who call themselves Reds, (not the very laudable efforts of SOS and a few groups and individuals like them, who unfortunately haven’t totalled an army yet…)
and an army is what was needed to shout down the bollocks in the media… (who was portraying SOS as a small deluded mob)
… and the media bollocks DID facilitate what transpired this week.
That’s all I’m saying.
The Players have their more than fair share of the blame to take on for last season (injured or not) and they have their share of responsibility in Rafa’s dismissal.
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 #149 |
dougle
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:29 pm
Hi Guys,
Really Delighted, if it’s true, that Kenny has walked away from this.
Delighted, (and very sad too) if it’s true that many hard core fans are not taking up their more expensive season tickets.
Delighted if it’s true that there is nothing being done about “a new manager”.
Delighted if it’s true that it’s chaos at Anfield.
Maybe that’s what it’s gonna take to make sure we are rid of the scum and that no-one else has to go through the rape of their club.
After all who is gonna do the talking for Liverpool ? Broughtan, 1-day a week boss-man ? What kind of deal is he gonna sell to any manager worth his salt ? Nope. Purslow ? Nope. Those 2 vampires or anyone else of their families ? I’d love to hear their pitch …. can you just imagine it ?
So who’s left ? Maybe RBS will interview prospective managers !!
That’s why Kenny was so important to them. The front-man to take the heat etc etc .. I’m delighted he’s gone.
I personally hope it all blows up in their collective face.
If it also takes Stevie, Mascher, Dirk, Nando etc etc jumping from the literally sinking ship… for me so be it. We will have nothing left.
Then maybe the Brittish Press in general and their acolytes here in Ireland and elsewhere, David Moores and Rick Parry, The host of “expert” ex-Reds, most noticeably that bitter basta*d Whelan but the the whole bunch of idiots who talk about “A Club The Size Of Liverpool Has The Right To Expect etc etc…” A Silent Captain, RBS, Barclays, The FA, and most pertinently the host of gullible, stupid, opinionated keyboard warrior Reds who bought the line and spewed their tripe over the years … well maybe then they’ll take stock of what they have created.
Spot on Aitch – haven’t heard the “big Names” talkin’ the talk when it was needed. I’m sure they are “pissed” at being linked with the “Rafa lost the dressing room version 1/ 2/ 222″. welcome to real politik baby. It doesn’t suit them to have mud slung at them. How do you think Rafa has felt this last 3/4 years? They’re was a time for talking up. Too late now. They can go as far as I’m concerned.
What if we have no manager when pre-season starts ? (Sooner than you think). I’d love it. See Alan Green, Mike Ingham, Spooney, Stan “the dog” Collymore and the other talk sport muppets and all the other experts go all high and mighty about “this disgraceful situation” …. Hilarious.
Fair Fu*ks to you Fatty and the boys who are putting in the work. Maybe some good has come out of this calamity. We’ll have a motivated, active, creative, clear thinking, radicalised, passionate fanbase who will really force the issue with whoever the new owners are as we fight our way back up from the lower reaches of the Championship toward the Holy Grial of promotion to the Premiership.
Say it isn’t so ….
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 8, 2010 @ 11:39 pm
Aitch… Lugy just summed it up.
He made a comment. I commented on it… in total agreement. He then told me it was meant sarcastically. I knew that… that’s the problem with communicating like this.
As an aul fart, I love the computer. All that information, and being able to talk to people all over the world, without moving out the door… Fantastic thing, but it does have it’s drawbacks… confusion being one of them.
You’ve no need to explain all that to me. I know what you’re like. I know what side of the fence your on…. the same side as me. There’s no problem here. I agree, the players should have done more. But when you stop and think about it… every man jack of them backed and thanked Rafa.
The media don’t give a toss about that. They spin it any way they want. Gerrard, Torres, any of them could say as they did on many occasions, Rafa made me a better players.
Media interpretation – allah Bascombe and what Rafa signed on the hat-trick ball – cold fish Benitez refuses to praise Torres. Says hat-trick isn’t good enough…
Nevermind that Torres had just said, “some players need an arm around their shoulder. Not me. I like the way Rafa pushes me. It’s hard work sometimes, but it makes me try harder. And it’s made me a better player.”
I think the worse one was at the beginning of the season. You’ll remember it. The media was battering Lucas and Insua. Rafa defended them by saying, “It’s not the young players that are the problem. The senior players have to work harder.”
Press spin, and they really did go on a rampage…
“Rafa attacks Gerrard and Carra.”
They went on and on about that, getting oh so moral and idignant… How dare that Johnny Foriegner upstart insult the Scouse heartbeat of Liverpool…
Even though it was aimed at all the senior players, and both Scouse players insisted Rafa was right and how they had to keep working even harder until the form came back.
In fact, even worse than that was how they started to call us fans who backed him, deluded and blindly loyal…
Have a look at Bascombe’s piece for that, even though us deluded people have long memories and know how Rafa helped him to get a job at the biggest selling national paper in the country from the backwoods of The Liverpool Echo and how the first thing he done was stab Rafa in the back for his new pay masters at the Sunday Sun.
Same with ex players. They forget how much we know about them and why they do the things they do and say the things they say.
So, there’s no argument there mate. But I’ll tell you this, there’s a mystery going on at the moment, being played out by H&G, Purslow, Madocks and Boughtman, and Sherlock Holmes couldn’t work it out.
But right now, I’m too tired and busy to care. There’s so much intrigue and back stabbing going on, even those doing the stabbing seem unsure who to stab next.
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gazmaninaus
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 1:44 am
I think we’re being a bit harsh on the disguntled LFC fans, if we think a minority caused the down fall of Mr B.
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How can anyone think the Americans listened to any supporter, whether they agree or disagree with their views.
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Some of our hysteria borders on x-files stuff, the Americans are arseholes of owners, and thats it, if they manage along the way to divide and conquer, thats an added bonus.
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Rafa had his detractors but in general had a largish section of support. In fact many on here were supporters of Hicks when he interjected between the Gillet/Parry, Raffa spat. We all tend to have convienent memories.
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The facts are, Rafa left with a large payout, he now has a well paying new position, he doesn’t seem to have wasted his time sooking about the LFC matter.
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Lets see if Rafa decides to take, Kuyt, Lucas and Ngog to Milan, I doubt it highly.
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However as is usual with Liverpool, we pay out a large sum to someone who was most likely leaving anyway. Once again I ask people to look at the end of the last home game this year. Look at the body language of Rafa with the crowd, look at the way he approached players, then tell me he wasn’t leaving.
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Why it came to this who knows, why we don’t have a replacement, who knows, are we in the process of changing hands and he was surplus to requirements, who knows.
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I guess all will be revealed but lets not blame the disgruntles fans as the sole reason we’re where we are.
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There’s two reasons we are where we are, one lives in America, while the other in Canada. Thats it, all the rest are just bum boys taking cash.
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Ps RBS and the British Government should hang it’s head in shame, major bailout by the tax paying public, only to still continue the processes that got them in trouble to start with.
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I’m still convinced we will rise from all this, just as we always have.
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Aitch
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 2:43 am
Fair enough FS, I hear ya.
Had the players said more, more often, at the tops of their voices, maybe they would have still been misquoted (…errr… well there is no maybe there is there? silly me…) they still would have been misquoted, they still would have been ignored…. but I still think we needed to hear more, more often, at a higher volume, from all the players, in at least an attempt to drown out the propaganda campaign.
It was the ONLY chance Rafa had really.
…but maybe as you say… it was no chance at all?
Maybe there are things going on that you’ve gotten a whiff of that give you cause to to wonder about such a mystery… but I don’t see it from what I’ve read.
I’ve no crystal ball… and have been acused of scaremongering a few times this season (particularly in the last few months) but…
So far, everything seems to be panning out as I suspected it would.
Rafa hounded out…
Blame game pointed in rafa’s direction…
Legend/Marquee rumored to placate the fans…
More false promises to placate the gullible (and yes we still have some) or so desperate they’ll believe anything (which is now, sadly, the rest of us)…
Backroom asset stripping under the cover of dark…
On-Field asset stripping…
All the incoming dosh being redirected from the Club, to Kop Holdings, to Kop Cayman, to…. poof! (where’d it goooooooo?)
The 100 million we’ll get for Torres, SG, Masch, maybe a few others, being spent on a new Ferrari at a dealership in Dallas, instead of on a deal for a new player at LFC.
The club sold to … whoever… maybe still partially in debt even if it is a Billionaire,
…and a starting line-up of Pepe, Derby, Carra, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Riera, Spearing, Lucas, Babel, Pacheco and Ngog facing the Chavs in the first game of the season….
… in front of a capacity Anfield crowd of plastic flag waving, new kit wearing, photograph taking, humming coz they don’t know the words Tourists!
Urgh!
and gaz… you got it reversed… it was a silent majority that let this happen, not a vocal minority.
and yes… we will be back… coz any new owner can recover the ship, with one, two, or even three bulkheads breached,
…coz we have a worldwide fan base, provided the ship hasn’t been skuttled for the insurance money… but it won’t be next season… or the season after that, if we lose too many assets.
(And I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Rafa raided Lucas, Kuyt and Masch! Italy would suit all 3 of them.)
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Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 3:01 am
FS #137, indeed, where ARE all the Rafa bashers?
I especially refer to Diggerno, not only are you a FOOLISH CUNT for your insult to me, you are a SPINELESS COWARD for disappearing after that. GO FUCK YOURSELF! (Ah, that feels so good. )
Another fucktard would be the self-proclaimed “King of the Kop”, when he’s nothing but a pathetic usurper of the throne. Though as he’s had his arse humped so many times by us he’ll probably never come back.
Last but not least, BM. He’s got braincells that are so lacking in gray matter that they struggle to coalesce together to form what is known as his brain.
Good luck, Rafa. I hope you storm through Serie A and the Champions League, thrashing a few La Liga and Premier League clubs along the way just to stick it to those media cunts.
In fact, while not “defecting” and becoming an Inter fan, I think I’ll be following them with fervent interest now that I’ve become a “Liverpool Fan-in-Exile”. (I could fucking care less about childish dicks like Digger moan and patronise me about this, while still oblivious they’re in COMPLETE SHIT)
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SonOfAKhan
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 4:36 am
Hope something drastic and positive happens soon. Can’t take the shit anymore, what with the rumours and speculations. How the F could one enjoy the World Cup when this mess is constantly banging on his brain?
Although knowing what’s in the media is shitty and all, I can’t help but read them in the hopes that some great announcement is printed. Looks like the wagging the dog’s tail thingy is going on at the moment, not surprised if some friendly journalists have been bought to print the confusing ‘news’ and the ping pong effect would distract readers to the extent finger pointing towards the real culprits would be a difficult task.
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Sam82
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 5:23 am
Gosh! Some ppl r just real pain n hard as stone. Call Rafa stubborn. Said he made mistakes n refused 2 change. Go look into mirror. R they not like that?
Still harping on Rafa, not happy that he got paid to leave, n now most likely to get a top job so soon.
Fact is, he was paid by the 2 morons who r so desperate 2 force him out, when many a time they can’t provide the transfer fund needed. Is it not more appropriate to harp on the 2 morons 4 doing so ?
The amount he got just reflects the current inflated market for men of his calibre. It’s not his choice. Only recently, he went on record as saying he wanted to stay on, “if he’s allowed to”. Is that not good enough? It’s 4 me.
Why r the 2 morons so willing to spend just to force Rafa out. With the interest of LFC in mind ? Or rather, their personal interest ? Does it mean they r actually planning to stay on, hang on, drag on, 4 much much longer ?
That Inter Milan is so eager to tie Rafa up so soon, just shows how highly regarded he is. He is not short of admirers. In the past, he got better offers which he turned down as he wanted to stay on. Money is not the most important criteria for him. It’s the job, the workplace n ppl around. He was happy to be the LFC manager, work 4 LFC, n supported by majority of the fans. For him, that superceded the difficult situation created by the 2 morons.
I can only respect n salute Rafa.
Sadly, he’s no more with LFC. Now, real supporters must hang on, n fight to force out the 2 morons. They r the tumours, not Rafa.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 9:22 am
Wow! This forum has become a nasty, horrible “I told ya so” place and I for one, am not really enjoying it anymore.
Before anyone jumps down my throat – I did say a few months ago that I reckoned we were better off sticking with Rafa given our current situation. That didn’t mean however that my grave reservations about him as A MANAGER (not him personally) had diminished.
I’m not happy with how Rafa was seemingly forced out but people like FS (welcome back by the way) saying that those who disliked Rafa somehow played a part in his departure, are way out of line. Think of how ridiculous that statement is guys – how can people who express their legitimate point of view in a forum like this, have had any influence on people like H&G, Broughton et al when it came to getting rid of Rafa!
There were few (if any) anti Rafa chants at Anfield and as far as I can gather, Benitez still had the backing of most fans. But I do not – and have never agreed with the hypothesis that if a LFC fan thinks Rafa was not the right manager for us and may have expressed that view in a place like Kop Blog, he/she is a traitor, a moron, the scum of the earth and by expressing this opinion is somehow complicit in Rafa’s expulsion. UTTER NONSENSE
Whatever the reasons for Rafa’s departure – it wasn’t handled well at all (big surprise these days) but it’s happened – it’s over. We have to move on. It had nothing to do with me, Digger or anyone else commenting in forums. It’s much bigger than us – it was a corporate power play and unfortunately Rafa lost. I wish him all the best in Italy – but I think he’ll find it very difficult to follow in Mourinho’s footsteps. But in my eyes Rafa’s style was always better suited to Italy than England
I’ll state again – decent man as Rafa was – I was never a fan of his style of play and yes although he was reasonably successful (in terms of us being in the top 4 most seasons he was in charge) no one can truly say whether another manager during the same time period (and same finances) would have been more or less successful – it’ just not something anyone can prove or disprove. My point is – Rafa is not the only manager that can manage LFC. We’ll always have Istanbul and for that, Rafa will always be remembered but I personally would have traded Big Ears # 5 for a PL # 19/20.
So back to our current situation – as well intentioned as SOS’s motives are, H&G will only sell under two circumstances
1) When they’re good and ready
2) The banks literally force them to lower their valuation and sell up
H&G know that they are despised by all LFC fans, they know they’re not welcome in the city, let alone the club. SOS’s campaign raises the profile of the struggle to a national media level but I don’t really think H&G give a shit. The Glazer’s don’t seem to care that they’re loathed by all and sundry. The only thing (I think) that would be effective would be a total boycott of games at Anfield – and we all know that given these mass market days of day tripper fans and tourists, that would be very difficult to successfully achieve.
Call me a sceptic but unfortunately I think the average fan has little power when it comes to changing things at boardroom level. All we can hope for is that H&G sell up sooner rather than later and our next owners are a whole lot more suitable. But of course they might not be? Then what do we do? When we can’t blame the dreaded Yanks anymore? But hopefully it won’t come to this.
I for one am supporting the Share Liverpool scheme and am willing to invest the required minimum stake of £500 if and when the time is right to do so. Some level of fan representation in the boardroom, as is done in Germany, is the way to go and really does give a bit of power back to the people!
But Kinny, FS and others, looking for scapegoats amongst fellow Liverpool fans – is not the way to go. It’s childish and unproductive.
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 #157 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 10:20 am
Kinny, you are acting like Digger burgled your house and then took a shit on the living room rug. Chill out mate. Digger went to a music festival out of town according to what he said in his last post. So I’m sure when he’s back you 2 can continue the love-in.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 11:05 am
Kinny just to point out there pal if you didn`t notice.You demanded an apoligy from digger in the last comment of the last blog.Infact Digger had apoligised before you posted.You might have missed it with a new blog up.
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 4, 2010 @ 5:43 pm
Cheers LB. This whole thing has my head fucked to be honest. I’m trying to not panic and focus on something positive (potential sale). I read and appreciate what you and Aitch and Lurgan write with growing dread and I’m just hoping against hope ya know? Listen Kinny, I’m sorry for having a go but when I read that you were hoping that our desperate situation would worsen just so you could say ‘Hah!’ to the cbc I thought it was unecessary and self destructive. Nose, spite, face n’ all that. Sorry mucker.
Don`t want to interfere Kinny i just thought i`d point it out before things get out of hand.
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Diggerno.10
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 11:10 am
Cheers Arthur, LB. No big deal lads, nothing new here and the usual suspects too. Let them at it. The important thing is not to respond. It lowers the discourse of Kopblog to their level/currency of insults and schoolyard name calling. Also, of course, responding validates, on some level, their bullshit. So, its best to just let them rant and rave whilst observing with mild amusement from a distance and marvelling at what sad people there are in the world. They deserve our sympathy, not our ire.
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 11:10 am
AGP, sitting on your arse will not achieve anything either. So why not take 2 minutes to spend 10 quid and join-up with SOS?
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Diggerno.10
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 11:31 am
Thanks Tim. Ya would think that would have been sufficient right? Apparently not. But judging from the lads posts regarding me in the last few days its an agenda thing and not that I wrongly had a pop. Anyway, not to worry, it wont get out of hand, I apologized and long since left the schoolyard behind.
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 #162 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 11:50 am
timmy #157, I thank you for that. As the discussion moved to the new blog, I simply assumed Digger would make his reply on this and thus disregarded any new comments that might come out on the old blog.
Digger, while I said I would no longer ask for an apology, I’d be lying if I said I was no longer angry or upset about what you said. In fact, the longer I waited for your response (which I failed to notice), the more vindictive I got. But that’s no excuse now that I know Digger HAS indeed apologized, and I was a fool for not noticing it quickly.
So now that’s all cleared, I accept your apology Digger. And I also sincerely apologize for my vindictiveness getting out of control. That should make us even.
Are we cool?
(I believe my vindictiveness is probably on par with that Fungusface. So I’ll try to tone it down, but at least you’ll know what to expect now. )
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Diggerno.10
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 12:09 pm
Cool as the otherside of the pillow Kinny! No worries at all mate. As a veteran of these things I know how quickly they escalate and how easy it is to lash out, I’ve done it myself in the past. Anyway, as I said, its over now, no worries mate, it was my own fault anyway, shouldent have reacted the way I did to what was obviously your emotional and heartfelt reaction to Rafas dismissal. Moving on as they say…..
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Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 1:56 pm
Glad we could sort things out swiftly, Digger.
As happened in this sorry misunderstanding, I can end up being a complete cunt myself without even realizing it if I thought I have been wronged, but I can also be just as swift to apologize if someone pointed out the wrongs of my ways.
So I’m most very grateful to timmy and LB for pointing me to the facts which helped defused this misunderstanding considerably.
And finally, for the record: I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID ABOUT DIGGER FOR THIS PAST FEW DAYS.
Now, back to directing our wrath back towards the Yanks.
(BTW, is it me or is Kopblog loading extremely slowly? )
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 #165 |
McrRed
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 3:08 pm
KopBlog where Love Really Happens..
Ah well, back to business:
Kenny lasts just a week?*
Rafa had to endure 4 bloody years of the two twats!
*if it’s true he’s had enough
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 #166 |
JackHill
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 3:17 pm
I understand that proceedings have been started to make Hodgson the manager. I’m very happy about that.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 4:24 pm
Right I came in here to post something… something very important. After reading the comments… just a couple of them, I think it’s best I wait until it’s all calmed down a bit.
As for the recriminations… I made it plain what I thought of fools and traitors, and said I’d leave it at that.
Apparently, that’s jumping on the “I told you so” high horse and being a bit of a bastard.
Well, I’m sorry lads, but you know…
I did fuckin tell you. I told you till I was blue in the face.
A certain section argued that to the point where I disappeared for practically a full season. That was a shame really from the point of view that some allies we needed in the fight got left out.
As for the recriminations, I have no time for all that. They’re about to start in earnest if we don’t do something about stopping the systimatic dismantling of our club… which has been going on for some while… yes. Wake up. It’s not about to start, it’s been going on since the yanks walked in and it’s going to gather momentum now that we’ve lost the one man on the inside that fought to stop it.
Fools, traitors, yes I stand by that. I will never change me mind and I will never forgive them.
If you want to back them and think they had no part in this… well, in all honesty, you might as well join them.
Make no bones, they created the atmosphere and the situation at Anfield and on the phone ins, blogs etc, that gave the owners the chance to do this.
And if you think I’m talking bollacks remember this… I grew up in the Shankly era. I seen Shanks struggle for 7 years to build something, while not winning nothing. Don’t think he never had his doubters. But I tell you this, if they’d tried any of the shit they’ve pulled on Rafa, we would have been down to Anfield, every man jack of us and we would have sent them packing.
Well, the time to stand up again is here. It’s up to you what you do… bury your head in the sand, amke excuses and tell everyone it’s for the best and will be okay. Or you fight back.
I know what I’m going to do, and as for the fools and traitors, I’d honestly prefer they stay where they are. They’re not needed. There’s enough people with sense to see what’s going on – whether they liked Rafa or not. We can do it without the aid of fools.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 5:05 pm
Right lads all this man love is disgusting i wish i hadn`t said anything now
Word is that hogdson is soon to be the next manager.Good luck Roy your going to need it.
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 #170 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 5:26 pm
Lurgan it seems the logical choice at the moment.Let Kenny take the reigns until we find new owners and he`ll step aside and let the club go forward……
Easier said.
I`ve some concerns,
Is it a risk?Not talking about his ability to do the job.I`m thinking would it be a risk to his legendery status.
With the fickle supporters we have today would they be on the forums and phone-in`s after our first defeat with the knives out for the great man?
Would a bear shit in the woods?
I`m asking would it be fair on the man after all this time out of football to come in and act as our saviour?
I won`t expect that of him.I know we`re effectively in transition so what can we really expect of Kenny?
As mad as it seems there are some out there so clueless that they`d want a title challenge or else…..
Also he`s his family to think of.Marina his wife,isn`t well by all accounts.Does he need this pressure on him?Is he been pressurised by the fans expectations he needs to step in?
People are thinking of Kennys appointment in a romantic kind of way.A pal of mine who`s in his late thirties now,grew up idolising the King and he`s convinced he`s the man to take us forward.
Its like Kenny will come back and everything will be ok,well just start where we left off the day he retired in 1991.
Dosen`t work like that i`m afraid.
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KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 5:32 pm
Alright chaps. I think the point is not that the manager was pushed (although I think it stunk and I think Rafa was the man or the job. He’s in a handful of top coaches in the world in my opinion) but that our club is being ruined/dismantled/taken to the cleaners/hung out to dry/ etc. Gaz it might not disapear but I want LFC to be winning the league and the champion’s league or at least be competing. I don’t want the dirty mancs to take our title as the most successful team in England.
We have to thieves running the club. We have to get rid of them. I don’t think LFC fans want some sugar daddy neccessarily, I want an owner to come in, run the club, stay in the back ground, make their profit and just provide a decent transfer budget of around £30 million a season with the manager getting the proceeds of his sale.
I think any decent coach would win the league in that situation and I think Rafa would have as well.
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 #172 |
Neilob
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 5:58 pm
I was sad to see Rafa go especially in the circumstancess as he clearly wanted to stay but was forced out. The timing was also weird – why sack him when you have nobody else lined up ?
The yanks have brought this great club to it’s knees but I think the banks have also been culpable in how we ended up in this mess. Over the past 2 years a number of deadlines have come and been extended even though everybody knew the yanks could not repay the debts. Why has this happened ? Because the banks are making so much money on the interest payments that it’s in their interests to keep the yanks longer.
However if they had stuck to their deadlines, the yanks would have been forced to sell, drop their asking price and we would have been rid of them already.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 5:59 pm
Agree with that Kenny,at the moment if any manager comes in now they`ll most probably be only a stopgap.
As things are it dosen`t really matter who comes in,well it does to an extent but we`ll all have to have realstic expectations.
The new manager will be powerless to veto any sale of any of the top players.
This whole episode could get a lot more unpleasent to say the least.This is why we need to keep the pressure up on the yanks.
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 #174 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 6:04 pm
Neil,your on the money there.If the banks had pulled the plug on any extensions well they could have been gone by now but its not the way it works.
RBS want to squeez every penny out of us just like the tumours.They`ll stay that way until LFC is no longer able to make the interest payments.
How long will that last?I don`t know the answer to that but RBS aren`t in a popularity contest here,it`s the way they do there business so we shouldn`t be surprised there.
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Aitch
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 6:24 pm
Sorry Arthur, I can’t agree with you.
It’s all well and good people saying they disliked Rafa the manager and not the man… and maybe that’s true for you… but it isn’t true for a lot of people.
By and large, the insults leveled at the man were personal, not professional.
And frankly neither make any sense.
As a manager it makes no sense… he is an incredibly successful football manager. Among the top men in the sport.
As nice a man as Roy Hodgson might be (and I have a large amount of respect for him, he’s the ONLY current Prem manager I’d consider for LFC) as a manager his success/career pales in comparison to the man we’ve just parted company with.
As a man, Rafa also ticks all the right boxes. Involved with the people, connected on a real fan level.
People may love the Maurihno passion and outstretched arms towards them… but it sorta don’t mean dick, when every two years, he’s doing it in front of/for a new set of fans.
I’ll take Rafa sitting cross-legged scribbling notes about how to make our good players even better, over a guy who’s basking in the personal glory while his agent is negotiating his next big money move.
It is pretty much accepted that Rafa is cold, aloof, and distant from the players… and yet this week it emerged that Rafa was the first one on the phone to Ryan Babel when he got injured playing for Holland… and he wasn’t even one of his primary/favored players.
Rafa was also involved in the community, as was his wife, so you have to ask yourself why so many “fans” talked about him with such personal disdain?
(I know you didn’t Arthur, but many, many did.)
Rafa may well, have gotten full and complete support inside Anfield for 90 minutes… but you haven’t spent much time reading the comments sections below pretty much any news article (even in the Liverpool based Echo and Post) if you think there wasn’t a significant, if largely foolish (and by that I mean non-factual) anti-Rafa voice out there.
Then there’s clearly anti-Rafa press, the 606 brigade, Sky and former Players nonsense.
During their first year at the helm, G&H tried to rid themselves of Benitez.
It all came as a big surprise to Reds fans still happy as pigs in shite, and drunk off the glory that was Istanbul, but once alerted, we marched on Anfield in numbers and were vociferous enough to cause the owners to rethink.
And that was a simple math/business decision.
There was a significantly greater percentage of fans backing Benitez than voicing any opinion against him.
So G&H backed off… but not because they were “scared” of us.
It was a bottom-line, numbers decision.
What’s different this summer is that the significantly greater percentage of fans did not exist.
The camp has been largely split…
…we were coming off a dismal failure, and not a recent success (coz 2nd place and semi-finals and finals you don’t win aren’t deemed success)
…and too much misinformation had been absorbed…
…and perhaps a certain amount of apathy had also crept into the fan base…
… and this presented G&H with the opportunity… the perfect conditions… to know they could push him out this time, without any significant fan backlash (or at least too-little-too-late.) So they did.
This isn’t just about Rafa. I don’t understand why people think that?
It’s not just about results on the pitch.
If we had stable ownership and a stable board none of this would matter.
The pro-Rafa’s would be disappointed and think the decision a mistake… the anti-Rafa’s would be thanking their lucky stars… but collectively we’d set our sights on a new manager and look forward to new signings and the new season.
But we don’t have a stable ownership.
We don’t have a stable board.
The one thing we did have was stable management…
…and now we don’t have that.
Forget ownership, and possible player sales and what roles/infighting are occurring at boardroom level…
We are only 1 year into a backroom restructuring… meaning Squad, Reserves, Academy, Youth, Scouting… which will now likely need some restructuring again … that may involve small fixes/adjustments, but it may also mean another complete restructuring… we won’t know that for a while yet… but there’ll be fallout from that also.
My support for Rafa was never about Rafael Benitez.
I do not subscribe to the “tactical genius” mantra.
I do not think the man walked on water, or was infallible.
My opinion of him is that he was a successful manager (and his record bears that out) and the right man for LFC (and one miserable season aside, his record also bears that out)
… but more importantly… perhaps MOST importantly…
…he was the right man for US the FANS… NOW!
And by NOW I mean the last 12 months of ownership… this summer… the next 18 months of ownership…
… because according to news reports this week, G&H can potentially hold on to us for that long, driving the debt (held against the club) back up to 300 million quid…
… and even a new owner, brought in this month or next, won’t right the listing ship immediately.
It remains to be seen if Hodgson, or anyone else, will come in, still have our best players to work with, and somehow… someway… get us back into the top 4 (coz let’s face it that is now the target, forget competing for the title next season,) against a stronger Spurs, a stronger Citeh, a likely stronger Aston Villa, and maybe even an emerging/strengthening Birmingham (it may have been a fluke, but I don’t think so.)
Hodgson may very well be the right choice moving forward from where we now find ourselves…
… he may find his greatest success at LFC…
… but let’s not be revising his resume to suggest we’ve just got ourselves a better manager…
… coz he might have gotten a few calls from Anfield, but I doubt he got any from Milan.
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somnath07in
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 6:26 pm
@Arthur:
Totally agree with your Post#158.
Abusing fellow LFC supporters became a fashion in this forum. I was literally abused out of participating in discussions because i had problems with Rafa’s tactics in some games.
Rafa was a great manager for us. Given the funds, he did a terrific job but now he is the boss of Inter. So lets just stop talking about how badly ruined we are without him.
WE ARE RUINED but WE ARE NOT DEAD.
Roy H if appointed is a decent manager. The same Inter who have appointed Rafa considers this man to be their saviour. Given the position we are in, he might just be the best candidate.
Regarding the owners and the other culprits, i think the SOS and ShareLFC group are doing great jobs and we should support it.
I dont know whether it will go down too well with some of my friends here or not but stop being so over reliant on any individual. Rafa Benitez is a great manager but its not necessary that LFC cant attain even greater heights under another manager.
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 #177 |
Aitch
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 6:35 pm
And yeah… as for RBS… understand they are there to make money… and they don’t make money if G&H pay them back the loan.
They make money if that DOES NOT happen.
They’ll continue to collect their 100k per day until the loan is defaulted on…
…at which point they’ll retake control of LFC and sell it whole, or part it out, until they’ve recovered their 350 mill.
Don’t expect any help from them.
Two weeks later
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timmytorres
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 6:39 pm
Somnath 07,
I think your missing the point here.Why most of us are pressing the panic button afters Rafa`s departure is not only because we lost a top Manager,its more importanly we`ve lost our biggest ally.
Rafa had some power inside Anfield,he had clauses in his contract.He had the power to stop sales if he didn`t agree with them.
He was the only one who could stand up to G&H and co.Now that he`s gone they`re free to do whatever they want.
Hodgson is a decent man and not a bad manager and maybe he`ll get the job.
But…he`ll be powerless to prevent the sale of say,Gerrard to madrid or Torres to chavs or barca.
So this is where the problem lies.Until they go,any manager that comes in,will come in on THEIR terms,not his own.
They`ll interview `till the cows come home until they are satisfied they`ve found their Yes man.
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 #179 |
Aitch
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 6:44 pm
The abuse does need to stop.
We’ve got BIG, serious problems, and we need to all be thinking clearly, and not taking anything for granted, or as it is spoonfed to us.
somnath it is also a valid point to suggest that “WE ARE RUINED but WE ARE NOT DEAD”…
… but we’re not exactly sitting up in bed eating our jelly either…
… let’s not be thinking Rafa was the bullet, and now it’s been removed the patient will recover…
Yes he’s gone. We have to deal with that now and move forward.
But ARE WE MOVING FORWARD?
Rafa’s dismissal is about far, far more than Rafa’s dismissal.
And so far, we have no gaurantee that it is not just the first step in a larger plan.
In fact… all evidence of the past 2-3 years suggests it is not.
THAT is why some of us are “harping on about Rafa’s dismissal” mate, not coz we are crying about no longer being able to gag on his tackle.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 7:02 pm
#172… great points Neilob. I’m so glad you get it.
I actually came in here to post something I’ve been hinting at since coming back. It’s just about ready to go. I’ve been given the amber light, and I’ll be posting it in here when it turns green – in a matter of hours.
But from scratching over a few comments, I’m going to have a last say on all this, hopefully to clear the air and then we can all get on (well those who can be bothered) with something far more constructive…
Corinthians, Texas Rangers, Montreal Canadiens, Weetabix… how much proof do we need. Hicks and Gillette have a track record. We all know it. They’ve stated it enough times.
Now no matter what you thought of Rafa, it’s clear as the belly in front of me what happened to him and why. So, that’s that. Nevermind a bore draw at Wolves, or any other shite performance, never mind early cup exits and finishing 7th. The man has been bought off/forced out for one reason..
The stubborn Spanish obstacle has been removed. That’s all there is to it.
It’s not me defending Rafa. The time for that has passed. But I am going to make some points about it, hopefully to get us all reading off the same page and then that’s that as far as I’m concerned. I’ll come in here for now other reason but to ask for favours in the fight, and give you any news as to how the fight’s going…
And that’s definetely hitting some sort of tipping point at the moment. That can be seen by the divisions… Yes. Like Gerry said, it’s turning into Julius Ceasar and the back stabbers are now all stabbing one another. Look at the divisions… yes Aitch. There is something very strange going on and it can be seen in the Maddocks pieces. Battle lines are being drawn between all the major players… leeks here to the press/media from one camp. Counter leeks to other sections of the media from the other camp. Deathly silence from the others. They are turning on one another. Playing each other off each other and dragging in their lackies to fight the other side. It’s starting to look like the fall of the Roman Empire, and that doesn’t happen overnight. But we have to get amongst them and give the final push.
That all might sound bonkers, but I don’t care if anyone or everyone thinks I’m some mental conspiracy theorist. You either believe it and get on board or you continue to go round in the same old circles ad infinitum.
But I’d like everyone to stop and have a think first. And I’m going to use what happened to Rafa and the search for a new manager just because that’s what everyone’s talking about and it’s fresh in everyone’s minds…
What’s the sense in sacking our current manager, at manager’s busiest time of the season, with absolutely no plan as to who’s coming in to replace him?
But we didn’t even sack him, we made his job untenable and then paid him to leave, despite the fact that he was our best and most successful manager we’ve had in over two decades and the majority of the fans wanted him to stay or at least be given another season.
And not only did we pay him to leave, we paid him to leave against his wishes, forced him out the door, and within a few days he walks into a club that only weeks ago wanted to pay compensation to us to break his contract and join him.
We’re a skint club, but that cost us at least 12 million… meaning nevermind the transfer kitty what the manager should be working with, we can’t afford to pay compensation to take any other club’s manager who’s under contract.
And, with us having no footballing men on the board, we had to ask a club legend – a club legend only recently brought back as an ambassador by the manager we forced out – to find us a new manager.
Then the legend, unable to see anyone good enough to manage us, puts himself forward risking that legend that has actually grown over the years to be bigger than the actual truth…
don’t get that wrong. I loved Kenny the player, the manager and the man, and I know how good he was. I saw his LFC career from start to finish. But legend just works that way.
But then we knock Kenny back as not good enough, but still expect him to carry on the process of finding the manager – or the none footballing men will hire a decent but lesser manager than the one we’ve just paid to walk away.
And just to compound it all and finish the cycle, our European Champion’s League winning manager walks into the European Champion’s with in a week absolutely free when they was prepared to pay us at least 6 million in compensation a week ago.
Why the rush Tom and George?
Not like them chaps to let at least 6 mill off the hook, and indeed pay at least 6 mill to miss out on it!
And I could make more points to show what utter madness this is, but it’s obvious…
The owners have now removed their only obstacle left inside the club. And they have done that despite any consequences and cost, because the consequences and cost of him staying far out weighed the benefits and profits to be had by removing him.
But if anyone can see the sense in any of that, and can show me I’m wrong (and that thousands of other old hands like myself are wrong) please tell me.
Believe me, I’d be more than happy to be proved wrong.
As for the rest of the petty squabbles and arguments…
I couldn’t give a toss about them In fact, I couldn’t give a toss who dislikes me in here. I don’t need to be liked. And I don’t give a toss about those I dislike. They’ll be okay. Me not liking them won’t traumatise them for life.
But I do appologise for going on like that. Believe me, going on like this, well… I’m doing me own head in all. And just like everyone else, whether I dislike them or not, all I want is following LFC to be fun again. So, I promise I won’t go on like that again, but, and yes I am saying I told you so…
But if we don’t do something now – soon there might be nothing to do.
I’ll be back with something more constructive as soon as I can.
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 #181 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 9, 2010 @ 11:00 pm
Okay lads. I appologise once again for that long blog like post. But I hope that’s the end of the petty squables. It is on my behalf. I haven’t got time for that and hopefully you won’t either.
Here’s what’s going on…
This is all a bit sensitive, so I can’t just blurt it all out. But I’m going to tell you as much as I can.
Recently, I was approached by someone pretty high up in one of the main creditors of Hicks and Gillette. Obviously the source wants to remain anonymous, and I’m sure you can understand why. To be honest, what I couldn’t understand was why he approached me. Apparently, he’d seen me bouncing round the net rallying the troops. Probably the name, bad language and nasty attitude got me noticed. But anyway, he decided to contact me.
This is really difficult to explain without just saying it all straight. But I suppose you’ll just have to trust me, because I can’t just come out and tell you it all. But the bottom line is, the fella’s not a fraud. He’s gave me some very useful information. It’s been passed on to people who can get results and it’s being acted upon. But, there is some things us ordinary lads can do with some of it.
So that’s that explained and I’ll post the info and what we can do with it as soon as I can – either later tonight or probably tomorrow. I’m just waiting on a couple of directions.
So as I said, that’s the end of the squabbles for me. There’s far more important things to attend to.
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 #182 |
rome77
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 12:10 am
First it was zonal marking then rotation then the 250 mill, that anti Rafa mob moaned about.
But when you actually looked into it it was all BS.
To then go on about, too defensive, the timing/choice of subs,man management or even worst how he performed in press conferences with their “rant” or “he’s cracking up”.
Ultimately i think it came down to their own personal hatred/dislike and it was nothing to do with football.
And wether they like it or not they aided Tom & George and those Murdoch media c*nts in their vendetta against OUR manager
For me LFC really is a Roman Empire its where the glory started for me
( glory hunting c*nt i am )
So ask yourself who was fiddling while Rome burned ?
I’ll give you a big f*cking clue shall i. The tune was “Sack Rafa”
YNWA
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 #183 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 12:54 am
“So that’s that explained…”
Fuckin ‘ell FS, that’s the funniest thing I’ve read for a long time now.
Talk about fuckin cryptic?
I take it all back gaz… you called it spot on with the “X-Files stuff”
FS taking clandestine meetings with “the smoking man” in dark alleys, down Bournemouth way.
Fashioning a crude masking tape “X” on his front window.
Well… until Mrs FS spots it and says, “Ay, get that fuckin masking tape off me front window, you fat bastard, I just washed that. And log off that computer, the rubbish needs taking out. Oh, and take that bloody tin foil off yer head!”
…errr… hang on…
… since I tend to agree with FS, that might make me one of those loser, conspiracy dickhead, Lone Gunmen blokes.
That shit’s not funny, man!
To quote a certain famous film transvestite….
“we wait in anticiiiii……………..pation!”
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 #184 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:01 am
Waits patiently, tapping fingers on desk.
Looks at his watch.
Wonders silently if he has time to run for a piss… maybe make a cuppa.
Hits refresh.
Still nothing.
Wonders aloud “is he coming back or not?”
Looks at cat.
Cat looks bag as if to say “What?”
Hits refresh, again.
Still nothing.
Decides to go have that piss and make a cuppa……
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 #185 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:39 am
Yep, he’s back… and funny enough Aitch, you’re not that far off.
Okay. I lie. I lie.
It was more Basildon Bond than James Bond. But even if I could tell you, you’d just think that’s bollacks. Still can’t sort of believe it meself. But anyway. I’ve got it all here now, but you know what…
You’re pretty much spot on about Missus FS an all. Nevermind Rafa, I’m about to be forced out over all this meself, and I won’t have six bob never mind 6 mill.
So it’s off to bed but it willl all be clear in the morning. I’ve got the addresses, land & e, I’ve got the bullets to fire…
Now fire up the cliff hanger music, roll the credits and say night night. Next installment, same channel, same time…
Well, I’ll be back in the morning with the scoop.
Night lads.
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 #186 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:05 am
(takes up a position immitating Willem Defoe’s Sgt. Elias Death Scene from Platoon… on knees, arms outstreched at his sides…. screaming at ceiling…)
“FS… YOU BASTARD……………”
(cat runs scared into the other room)
Its only 6pm here… WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW?????
“Here kitty, kitty. Its alright lad, honest.”
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 #187 |
somnath07in
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 7:33 am
@Timmy
I agree that he was our biggest ally. He wanted to take us to the level which is long awaited. I want to know a few things:
1. You touched upon his powerful contract and clauses. To the best of my knowledge,he had a $16m pay out clause in case he gets sacked.
Instead it was settled at $6m. Why? If Rafa was in a powerful position,then why did he accept it? There might be 4 reasons:
a) This so called ‘Powerful Contract’ was not that powerful at all.
b) Rafa thought enuf is enuf and with Inter calling this is the right time to move and let LFC understand wht they r loosing.
c)Rafa lost out on the support from big players.
d)Probably he was told that he is the reason they r not able to convince a ‘BIG INVESTOR’. Rafa sacrificed his job for the benefit of LFC.
You know what i feel? I think its the last one. Probably he was told that if u stay Rafa, the big players will leave and club cant be sold to this big investor ‘A’. I know it is naive on my part to assume that Rafa believed their words/some papers and accepted the offer but i DONT see any other reason for Rafa to walk out. He was happy,wanted to stay for a long time and more importantly created that immunity from the evil owners.
That is precisely the reason why i feel that it is perhaphs right for us to just carry on with whoever comes as a new mngr and ofcourse the movements like SOS&ShareLFC.
Look my point is simple. No one is indispensable in life. I am sorry if i have hurt anyone with my comments.
@Aitch
I understand what u said. I see it as a big injury from which we will recover slowly. This will take time. We have to build again. If we can hold on to our key players,things might just improve. I am optimistic and most importantly i dont want to set expectations from our team. Let them play and perform to their best next season.
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 #188 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 9:05 am
Firstly Kinny, I don’t know where you are but down here something is really amiss with the Kopblog loading, it takes ages to load then when it has there are no pictures, just blog, no colour even.
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FS is it true that SOS are starting a credit union, bank type organisation so people can invest in LFC. Just a question.
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 #189 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 9:15 am
Well – I’m VERY interested to see what FS has up his sleeve………..
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 #190 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 9:44 am
First of all Somnath i think Rafa accepted the reported six million (nothing concrete on that) because he was walking into another top job at Inter.Rafa is one of the top coaches in the world so maybe he knew what was coming.
The contract Rafa had was powerful,thats why the yanks wanted him out of the way,he was the obsticle.He had it in black and white that with any players sales he had to have the last word.
The other theory you think could be possible was he lost support from big players.
Well that to me is off the mark.Gerrard and Torres have come out and said they are gutted he`s gone along with Reina and Kuyt.
Make no bones about it Somnath,Rafa was pushed out the door for reasons that are non football reasons and they`ve used the season just gone as the excuse.The media refuse to acknowledge this too because it dosen`t fit their agenda of course.
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 #191 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 9:52 am
A question then Timmy fo ya:
Why did the same two Yanks who have just forced Rafa out, give him all that power at the end of the season before?
I think there is no coincidence that this is linked to the fact that they are selling the club and perhaps felt that Rafa’s presence might have been a hinderence in this process..just a theory
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 #192 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:04 am
Quite possibly Arthur.Although Roffa was given at the time the power regarding sales he was powerless regarding the budget he got.e.g the Alonso sale money.
Maybe the yanks thought he can hang on to what he has.We`ve two of the worlds Marquee players,but “he sure ain`t getting any cash for more”.
Weather Rafa was a hindrince in any proposed sale?IMO absoluteley not.The only hindrince is big fat Toms asking price.
Why would Rafa as a coach,put off any buyer.He`s one of the top coaches in world football.If he was such a bad coach,he`d be a hindrince to any proposed sale then why has he walked out of Anfield and into the San Siro?
He`s just joined the European champions while we flirt with a manager who has just finished 12th in the league and had only one,maybe two away wins.
Granted Hodgson had a great season in Europe,taking a middle table side to the Europa league Final.
Well i recall a certain Steve Mc Claren doing the same with Boro.
You don`t know what you`ve got until its gone.
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 #193 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:07 am
Arthur; Sounds like FS has a point. There is something going on behind the scenes. A real whodunnit!!
Maybe Rafa with Inter knocking on the door just thought my job is impossible in the conditions I find myself in, now’s as good a time as any. Moaninho has just won the treble. Rafa has no qualms about taking over the reins, he’s certainly not intimidated by anyone.
Listen eveyone. This is not about Rafa the man getting sacked. This is about what’s happened/happening to our great club that we love!!!
FS: where are you you fat git!!! I want to know what’s happening…
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 #194 |
somnath07in
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:09 am
@Timmy Torres
Fair enough. Just hope things sort out.
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 #195 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:11 am
Come on will ya you Fat bastard i`m up all night!!!
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 #196 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:12 am
Just my opinion Somnath,we all want the same thing
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 #197 |
somnath07in
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:39 am
Yes absolutely. We all ultimately want the club to do well. Thats the bottomline.
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 #198 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 10:50 am
This is like waiting for the last episode of fucking Lost! Come on FS dish the dirt….
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 #199 |
burgerman
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 11:13 am
If Kenny is turned down for the managers job, it is hard to see him accepting another position @ the club.Any chance of Aqui and Lucas going to Inter?.When is Riera leaving?.
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 #200 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 11:34 am
I hope FS has not been double crossed doing that basildon bond deal and is now lying in a ditch.
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 #201 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 11:47 am
I hope men in dark suits haven’t abducted FS…
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 #203 |
McrRed
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 12:40 pm
I tried not to LOL but I really did LOL… ;-(
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 #204 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 12:44 pm
FS: “Well, I’ll be back in the morning with the scoop.
Night lads.”
The morning is almost over. C’mon already!
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 #205 |
JackHill
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 12:59 pm
I’ve just read from the son Paul, that King Kenny would like to be the next manager of the Reds.
That’s fine by me, and I want it to happen!!!
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 #206 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:02 pm
King Kenny will not be the next manager of LFC. He too is a man of principle.
FS: Hellloooo is there anybody there?
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 #207 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:26 pm
What a mystery we have on our hands. I hear that the butler done it!
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 #208 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:29 pm
just nod if you can her me…..
just the basic facts
is there anyone home….
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 #209 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:46 pm
Well at least it’s better than sitting around moaning about stuff!
what could it possibly be? In the end of the day, as far as I’m concerned nothing can truly force the yanks out other than the banks
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 #210 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 1:48 pm
Ya good man Arthur,you sit on your hands and just wait while the rest of try do the little we can to help.
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 #211 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:01 pm
Right here we go…
Firstly, I see the why Rafa went debate is still going.
Somnath… Rafa was told he would not be given any money whatsoever – even money brought in from sales – to spend on players.
That was the final straw, that removed the final obstacle. There’s no big mystery.
And as I said…
A matter of weeks ago, Inter had promised LFC to buy out Rafa’s contract. It’s believed they’d offered at least 6 million. The problem was, Rafa wouldn’t go. So they forced him out.
That cost the club at least 12 million sterling, but like I said… the benefits and profit for H&G in making that move, far out weighed the consequences of keeping Rafa.
It’s not rocket science.
But anyway…
I’ve had inside information that RBS, are very worried about the loans to H&G. They are also wavering in their committment to them, and really don’t want to give any extension on the loans. And I’ve been told they will be ” very receptive” to any further pressure.
In plain English, their bottles gone. Both them and the government are shitting it. They want to pull the plug on Hicks but are dithering, and enough pressure from us could just push them over the edge.
Obviously, I can’t divulge too much about how all this was aquired, and there was also other information that has been passed on to other people. But there is plenty left over for us to lobby the big wigs at RBS and the releveant politicians with.
So, after a lot of discussion on this, a friend has sent me a letter that details the whole thing and is structured in a way to put maximum pressure on the big wigs and politicians. Finally we are letting them know what we know, that we aren’t going to get conned anymore – and that we are holding them responsible.
So, yes it’s more bloody letter writing. A pain in the arse I know but…
I’m going to print the letter and all the people it should be forwarded to in a second. It will be easier to digest in it’s own post.
Now all we need to do is, fire up the printer, get a few envelopes, a bit of paper and a few stamps…
Bingo. Done. No big deal. And you can do it from anywhere in the world. So there’s no excuses for any of us, not to have a go.
Feel free to send the letter on as it is – but if you do that, add a wee personel note. Tell them you got the letter from the internet. Tell them you are aware of what’s going on and there are many thousands like you who will hold them responsible for any more damage inflicted upon LFC.
Or you can take what you want from the letter and craft your own… just make sure you cover all the relevant points, and let them know you will hold them accountable for any further damage Hicks and Gillette inflict on the club because, through their loans and extensions, they are enabling them to carry on, so, causing further damage and also collecting many millions in interest.
It has to stop.
Back in a mo.
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 #212 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:09 pm
I eagerly await the letter template and postal address! Printer is ready for action.
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 #213 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:10 pm
Well it seems I was right! it’s about banks!
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 #214 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:13 pm
But I’ll be sending a letter – so here’s hoping
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 #215 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:18 pm
Right job FS give us the amo.
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 #216 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:20 pm
printer warming up as I write!
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 #217 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:51 pm
Envelopes – check
Toner in printer – check
Free postage through work – check
MS Word – check
Letter Template – pending
Addresses – pending….
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 #218 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:53 pm
Right here you go chaps. It’s a bit long so buckle in. Even the writer told me it’s too long and he would have loved to write a short sharp shock. But due the nature of the situation, and the people involed, it had to be structured like this.
So, get a cup of tea or a can, fire up the printer, get the envelopes, paper and stamps ready…
and don’t forget to add your own personal note. That’s what swings it. And don’t think by living outside the UK you can’t help… quite the opposite. Let’s show these bastards how many people in how many places they are hurting and betraying.
Good luck, and thanks a million.
Nevermind the others, there’s some good lads on here…
To:
John Hourican
Chief Executive, Global Banking and Markets
RBS
36 St Andrew Square
Edinburgh
EH2 2YB
Distribution list:
cc. Suneel Kamlani, GBM
cc. Marco Mazzucchelli, GBM
cc. Alan Dickinson, UK Corporate
cc. Mark Catton, UK Corporate
cc. Roger Lowry, Head of Public Affairs
cc. Dr Vince Cable, Secretary of State BIS (1 Victoria Street London SW1H 0ET)
cc. Jeremy Hunt, Secretary of State, Sport (2-4 Cockspur Street London SW1Y 5DH)
Dear Mr Hourican
I wish to convey my ongoing and extreme dissatisfaction over the management of the RBS loan facility provided to Tom Hicks and George Gillett, that continues to prop up their catastrophic ownership of Liverpool Football Club.
I am not a member, but the supporters union, Spirit of Shankly, one of the most vociferous opponents of the current regime, recently ran an billboard advertising campaign targeting the ownership of the club that used the appropriate tag line “Debt, Lies, Cowboys”. I am going to unashamedly borrow that line as a structure to this letter.
[b]Debt[/b]
As you know, the club’s debts as of last July stood at £351m, of which £237m constitutes the loan facility provided by RBS, the remainder being in high-interest intra-company loan from Hicks and Gillett’s offshore holding company, Kop Cayman. These figures may have changed slightly over the past 11 months since the accounts entered into the public domain, but no additional investment has been secured by the owners, and there remains no doubt that the overall debt is escalating to a point whereby negative equity will very soon come into effect, if not already a reality.
In addition to this, the club’s ongoing ability to service such a debt has become highly unsustainable. Improving sponsorship income is relatively insignificant, and the only measure which could have significantly supported this level of borrowing – the building of a new stadium – has not in over 3 years, proceeded beyond architectural renders, the apparent cost of which, an obscene £50m, has also been put on the club’s balance sheet. Against this backdrop of unserviceable loans and gross financial misconduct, it is therefore no surprise that the club’s auditors, KPMG, have for the second year running raised red flags, expressing “[i]material uncertainty about (the club’s) ability to continue operating as a going concern[/i]“. A damning indictment that instigated the Premier League to demand that the club’s newly-installed Chairman, Martin Broughton (more on him later), appear before their Chief Executive and Board of Directors in person to provide verbal assurances that the club would in fact be able to meet its fixture list for the forthcoming 2010-11 season. Leaving aside the embarrassment, it is not difficult to see the Premier League’s perspective. The phrase “living hand to mouth” springs to mind.
Forgive my stating the obvious to a senior professional banker at this point, but it is purely to set up and illustrate a point. Like any borrowings, the conditions for obtaining a credit facility of this type is based on the financial background of the individuals in question, their existing commitments, the value of the purchased asset, and in the case of refinancing, I would imagine their recent history and behaviour when it comes to servicing the existing loan, and any others held by them. Which brings us to Tom Hicks.
[b]Lies[/b]
Liverpool fans and credible media (both UK and global) are clear in that Tom Hicks tells lies. The list is a long one but here is the latest relevant example, provoked by the condemnation by the club’s former Chairman who deeply regrets selling to Hicks and Gillett. You can view it online at the following URL, together with valid deconstruction, here:http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/Tom-Hicks-_-You-Couldn-sss-t-Make-It-Up-(Well-Actually,-Tom-Can).html
So, in addition to his established propensity for lies, l wish to address the basis for the latest extension of the RBS facility, which was conditional on the agreement that the club be officially put up for sale, with Hicks conceding to step back from the process in order to realise a quick transfer of ownership. This agreement was ratified by the appointment of the aforementioned Martin Broughton, who has confirmed that his is a short-term part-time role, the sole remit of which is to find and approve an appropriate buyer for the club at a fair market price. It is not difficult to assume therefore that his appointment was at RBS’ express request, via an intermediary third party. “Within months” was Mr Brougton’s statement on the timescale for sale, upon taking up the position in April.
However, since then, there have been numerous interview quotes from Hicks, arrogant and belligerent as ever, claiming that irrespective of the ‘For Sale’ announcement, he will continue demand up to a totally unrealistic £800m for the club and that he is willing to prolong the situation and take up to two years to sell. He is even boasting in the US media about how profitable Liverpool FC will be for him, all bluster designed to divert attention from the harsh reality that he is in financial dire straits and has been for some time. These comments are clearly a stark contradiction of those reassurances he provided the RBS with, and thus render them meaningless. Like us, the fans, you are being lied to. It is not difficult to surmise that Hicks’ agreement to sell was simply a ploy to obtain ‘breathing space’ – which you duly obliged with, at least verbally – in which to further his agenda of financial pillage, possibly even petty revenge (on the fans who have rightly not allowed him to act without accountability, the “terrible personal price” he often complains about) but ultimately a desire to seek personal profit whatever the cost to the club, or its creditors.
[b]Cowboys[/b]
Talking of creditors, what surely must be of even greater concern to the RBS, is the eerily similar situation Hicks finds himself in with his US sporting assets, the Dallas Stars and the Texas Rangers. In April 2009, Hicks willingly allowed both clubs (operated by Hicks Sports Group) to default on $525m loan, a premeditated decision that Hicks himself insisted was a “negotiating tactic” designed to force the banks to renegotiate the terms of the loan. I must try that line myself next time I wake up one morning and take a sudden dislike to my existing RBS mortgage rate, the one I happily agreed to on signing. In fact, I would be, quite literally, betting my mortgage on the outcome of that particular conversation.
Not content with just that small matter of defaulting on a half-billion dollar loan, Hicks has now, as of a few weeks ago, forced the Texas Rangers to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, following a protracted and now stalemated sale process. Sound familiar? It gets even worse, as although the Rangers owe $540m to their creditors, (the majority secured against the club, the remainder against, yet again, Hicks Sports Group, another part of Hicks Holdings LLC, the onus being on the ‘limited liability’ aspect) under the terms of the sale (preferred one of the two deals offered) that Hicks is trying to force through, it seems the creditors only stand to receive $230m of the $540m the club is being sold for. This has been extensively covered in the US media and the facts verified. In which case, if I was sitting in the RBS’ shoes, I would have extreme concerns about Hicks attempting the same financial sleight of hand, and asking myself exactly what tangible assets the £237m loan I’ve provided is actually secured against, given the paper trails of Hicks’ myriad of limited companies all end up offshore and with zero personal liability. Yes, there is ‘the club’, but the owners are continuing to asset-strip (sales of high value players required for ongoing success and Champions League income, and the recent sacking of a highly-respected manager who was outspoken in his condemnation of Hicks and Gillett’s ownership), siphon off funds and are unwilling to provide or accept additional investment, all the while the value of the club is depreciating along with the chances of realising the repayment on your loan capital.
It should also be worth noting that latest reports this week state that Hicks has yet again blocked any sale to two separate potential buyers, simply on the basis of his wholly unrealistic asking price. This adds considerable weight to the already strong opinion that, unlike his co-owner George Gillett, Hicks has no intention of wanting to sell the club. His asking price is said to include added valuation for the future revenues generated by a stadium that he failed to build, and that a new buyer will have to pay to build instead, a stance that is as bizarre as it is illogical and which therefore represents an insurmountable block to any sale, now or in the future.
Essentially, these actions speak, in fact, shout of a man whose shameful conduct and objectionable character raises deeply concerning questions about RBS’ continuing exposure on this £237m loan and subsequently, a very real threat to the continued existence of Liverpool FC in its current status as one of Europe’s leading football clubs. This latest agreement for refinancing for up to 12 months, ostensibly to allow a sales process to go through unimpaired and without pressure, serves no-one’s benefits except Tom Hicks. What will be the excuse when he, as his history and substantial current evidence suggests he will, sells off the prize assets, and files for bankruptcy as per the Rangers, leaving the club in terminal financial decline or worse, and with the RBS, the club’s major creditor out of pocket? Not to mention, the wider political consequences at allowing this to happen unchallenged. Do not underestimate this last point, as this matter is not an isolated one (the Glazer family’s ownership – £1.2bn of debt’s worth – of Manchester United for example) but as with the banking crisis that forced RBS to seek government bailout, you will unfortunately be viewed as culpable through negligent inaction and held to account.
[b]Summary[/b]
And so to the crux of my expression of disgust and request for action. Aside from the financial hand grenade that is currently being juggled, the RBS and its majority shareholder HM Government have both a collective financial and moral responsibility to ensure that such a prestigious UK global export is not driven into unmanaged administration and ruin by the stubborn and irresponsible actions of two US nationals, one of whom in particular has a clear agenda and is leveraged up to their neck in debt. By providing yet another loan extension and/or refinance in order not to influence a sales process (one that Hicks is clearly not committed to), the RBS and HM Government are therefore willingly complicit in this unfolding disaster, a fact which will not go unnoticed or unchallenged. I am aware the Bank has provided the club with day-to-day banking services for many years long predating the arrival of Hicks and Gillett, and I only hope that this long-term relationship engenders a mutual desire to see financial stability and success.
Fortunately, there is still an opportunity to halt this seemingly inexorable decline. This can be achieved by withdrawing any existing agreement to extend the loan effective immediately, essentially foreclosing on the loan to Hicks and Gillett (as Kop Football Ltd) secured against the club. Informal short-term administration by any other name, would I assure you be welcomed by all Liverpool fans, if it ensured the removal of the current owners. This action would then allow Martin Broughton to facilitate the sale of the club quickly (there remains many interested buyers out there at a realistic market price, as Barclays Capital will attest) under your mandate without veto or negative interference from Hicks.
By doing so, you will be sending out a strong and positive message about supporting UK interests, corporate prudence and cleaning up financial mismanagement, a message that all addressed recipients of this letter, both at the RBS and the new Coalition Government, would surely benefit from given their own past events and the current financial climate. I’ll sign off with an unfortunate but apt analogy using another Liverpool-related world famous entity. This is a last chance to steer a footballing Titanic hard to starboard to avoid a looming and malevolent iceberg and towards a bright and prosperous future. Actively ensuring the ship keeps to its current course, however, is not an appropriate action and history will judge the RBS accordingly.
I implore you on behalf of fellow Liverpool stakeholders, please act now in the best interests of the club and indeed yourselves.
Yours faithfully,
(name withheld)
Former shareholder of Liverpool FC=
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 #219 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 2:53 pm
feck it anyway,me printers on the blink.
Off to the internet cafe for me!
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 #221 |
redrebel
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 3:09 pm
Signed, sealed and soon to be delivered!!
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 #222 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 3:14 pm
Nice one FS,great work pal spreading the word.I`ll have to go to an internet cafe to do mine,the rinters a bit divy today.
I`ll send out 20 of them with different signatures.More the better
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 #223 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 3:28 pm
Excellent letter (if a little long as you said FS) – here is what I added to the end of mine:
“This letter was passed onto me by an equally enraged Liverpool FC fan, who encouraged me to forward it on to you and fellow employees of your organisation. Although I am based in the Republic of Ireland, I dearly love this club and am deeply concerned for its long term health and survival. I am confident you will be receiving many similar letters of rage and frustration over the next few days from fans all over the world. This is how important Liverpool football club is to us all. RBS (b)must(/b) make the right decision, before it is too late, otherwise, you will be held accountable for the demise of England’s greatest club – surely this is something you do not want on your conscience!
I trust you will do the right thing.
Yours faithfully
Kevin Healy “
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 #224 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 3:40 pm
Nice one boys. And I really wish I could tell you more about how this all happened, and what went on. But I can tell you this… there’s other things going on in the background right now, and when the blitz hits them on top of it, they’re going to be extremly worried, forced to think long and hard about their position in all this, and if they want to risk it continuing.
I hate to say it, what ever happens we’re still in a mess, a terrible mess, but at least we can do a bit of damage limitation.
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 #225 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 4:37 pm
Great, though I may have to take time to personalize this before sending it.
I hear Rafa’s deal with Inter has been done and he’ll be unveiled at a press conference next Tuesday.
As the English printed press seems to be their sole source concerning Rafa, some Inter fans seem to have unfortunately bought the crap about last season being entirely Rafa’s fault and are skeptical about him.
Some of the forums even had Liverpool fans coming in oddly bashing and praising Rafa at the same time, mostly the usual stuff you’d hear about “man management”, “zonal marking” and “transfer follies”, with “Istanbul”, and how he’s beaten Mourinho in the Champions League his redeeming features.
Perhaps we might do something for Rafa by educating these Inter fans (and misguided Liverpool ones if they’re willing to repent) about what they’ll be gaining and dispel the lies and rumours.
Compared to Cunt and Cunter, at least Massimo Moratti loves his club.
http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?7783-Rafael-Ben%EDtez
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 #227 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 5:07 pm
For Fucks sake FS….
…here’s me been expecting irrefutable evidence of little green men…
… or even the mysteriously missing chemical/biological/nuclear weapon capabilities that Saddam supposedly had….
…or at the very least, difinitive proof of who shot JFK “There was someone on the grassy knoll and here’s the picture to prove it.” …with you and you’re mate holding a pair of Remi 700s in front of the book repository….
…and all we get is a copy of your fuckin nephew’s Final Dissertation from his Economics Degree!
Really disappointed.
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 #228 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
By the way…
…did anyone else read the article in the Echo today suggesting that Rafa’s first two transfer targets, will be to raid LFC for Masch and Johnson?
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 #229 |
Neilob
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 5:28 pm
FS
Thanks very much for sending on that letter. It’s great to feel that we can do something, anything to shift those 2 cunts.
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 #230 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 5:30 pm
Holy FUCK… that article (from redrebel’s #226)just makes my blood boil again!
How anyone can read that and not understand that we have just taken a very BIG step in the wrong direction is simply beyond me.
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 #231 |
dougle
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 5:52 pm
Spot on FS. Now there is one more thing we can do. Disquiet in the ranks of the grey monolith and a certain unedifying smell me-thinks.
To work !
As for 226. It’s real and symbolic and a sign of the man. Shame on we all know who.
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 #232 |
Aitch
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 6:53 pm
Fantastic read here…
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/dalglish-the-manager-dynasty-chapter/
Though be warned it is lenghty, as it is a full chapter from a book.
But it gives a complete and thorough analysis of Kenny Dalglish’s time in the hotseat… (and if you read it carefully and thoughtfully, I think you’ll find some very interesting parallels, and even striking similarities to the past 6 years.)
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 #234 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 7:21 pm
Be sending that letter tomorrow FS. WIll print of a few for my Oirish mates over here and get a few of them out for the weekend. Let the games begin.
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 #235 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 7:28 pm
Thanks Aitch. Thats the way to rally the troops.
I’m sorry it doesn’t mean your expectations, but if you’d read what I said…
1: I can’t divulge the full extent of the information we’ve been passed.
2: I can’t divulge the name of the person who passed the information on.
3: I can’t divulge what’s being done with the rest of the information.
4: I also said this is the bit us ordinary foot soldiers can do.
5: And with all that’s going on in the background, if we can get enough weight behind this it could be the thing that forces RBS and the Government to stop extending the loans, thus aiding and abbetting H&G on their mission to suck us dry.
And I could go on, but maybe X-Files is the better option for you.
I’d appologise for the sarcasm, but seeing it was only in response to yours, I don’t see the need to.
And I must say I am really disapointed that you have possibly knocked the wind out of a few sails already.
Maybe when the rest of us have done our duty to the club we can arrange a magic show for you.
Cheers.
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 #236 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 11:52 pm
Ha ha ha!
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 #237 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 11:53 pm
BTW I really enjoyed that Kenny Daglish chapter. Very good read
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 #238 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 10, 2010 @ 11:59 pm
Aitch, would you like a clown to go with the magic show? Or are card tricks more your thing?
(Wetting my self after reading the FS sarcasm… Great stuff)
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 #239 |
Aitch
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 12:29 am
No magic show necessary, but the next time you meet the “smoking man” in a dark alley for a financial update FS, ask him if he knows where your fuckin sense of humor went.
I get you’ve been doing battle for the good of LFC for the last 6 months, but so have I mate.
I don’t get where you think a bit of comic relief, or anything I said “took the wind out of your sails” especially considering I’ve been among the few loud voices attempting to keep the fuckin wind in the sails in this forum in your untimely absense.
But whatever, maybe LB got it right… a card trick might be more appropriate… just no jokers allowed in the deck, apparently.
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 #240 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 12:59 am
Actually Aitch, I tend to agree with LB… I think that was rather funny.
And we all know what you’ve done. The point is… I not only want you to keep doing that, I expect it from you and I expect you to rally the troops.
We’re the foot soldiers lad. I told you that. Fuck the generals. They can do what they usually do… sit miles back from the front, and discuss things over a rather nice lunch, top shelf brandy and a fine smoke.
So get the stick out of your arse and get back to rattling some cages, and if you do a good job… I might just send the dancing girls along with the fella in the top hat, and treat you to a top shelf brandy or two.
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 #241 |
Gerry
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 1:25 am
Actually Aitch, and I’m really not joking about this, I had jotted down a few paragraphs for the next blog and then popped in here to check out the latest comments and strange though it may sound I read your comment and could almost hear the Twilight Zone music playing in the background because I had just been writing about JFK assassination.
I know that sounds kinda weird but in the Kopblog world where waccy baccy is legalised and encouraged, believe me there is a connection, just as I worked in a Jesus connection into the last blog not that anyone seemed to notice mind! Honestly I think my comic genius is wholly unappreciated by the bunch of miltant stamp-lickers on this blog. 
I know the current situation at the club is about as dire as Fernando Torres’s new hair-cut but as Chief morale officer on this HMS Titanic of ours I feel it is my duty to try to work in a little humour.
Anyway, great work as ever FS and tell your mate well done on the letter, which I’ve passed on to some friends. In fact I was so impressed by how long it was that I was considering adding in some bad punctuation, a few spelling mistakes, a couple of knob jokes and then writing “Keep the Faith” on the bottom and passing it off as a blog!
A bit pissed at the moment so I’m off to my bed.
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 #242 |
Aitch
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 2:46 am
So if I’m reading it right Gerry, what you’re saying is…
Jesus Christ, in a purely non-commisioned officer capacity, killed JFK, with some poisoned kush, aboard the Royal Daffodil, somewhere in a hairy episode of the Twilight Zone, while praying?
…sorry Ged mate, I know you’re the Lord High Blogger an all, but I dunno, I find FS cloak-n-dagger bit morebelieveable!
(ducks for cover)
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 #243 |
Aitch
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 2:58 am
‘Ruffles and Flourishes’ …… Be seated.
Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about LFC Fans not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung.
LFC Fans traditionally love to fight.
All real LFC Fans love the sting of battle.
When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer.
LFC Fans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.
LFC Fans play to win all the time.
I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.
That’s why LFC Fans have never lost and will never lose a war.
Because the very thought of losing is hateful to LFC Fans.
Now, an Army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap.
The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating.
We have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. You know, by God I actually pity those poor bastards we’re going up against.
By God, I do.
We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Yank bastards by the bushel.
Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you’ll chicken out under fire.
Don’t worry about it.
I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Yanks are the enemy.
Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly.
When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend’s face, you’ll know what to do.
Now there’s another thing I want you to remember.
I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position.
We’re not holding anything. Let the Yanks do that.
We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy.
We’re going to hold onto him by the nose and we’re going to kick him in the ass. We’re going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we’re gonna go through him like crap through a goose.
There’s one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home.
And you may thank God for it.
Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what did you do in the great Battle For Anfield, you won’t have to say, “Well, I shoveled shit in Louisiana.”
Alright now, you sons-of-bitches, you know how I feel.
Oh, and I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle – anytime, anywhere.
That is all.
(how’s that for “rallying the troops”… muthafucka……?)
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 #244 |
Aitch
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 3:04 am
oh and that “muthafucka…” is to be read in that lamoid high pitched, worthless immitation of an American Black voice, than only a pathetic retard white boy can achieve
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 #245 |
McrRed
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 9:24 am
…All fired up now, you two!!!
Anyway, just a thought about the letter (for you UK nationals) send a copy to your MP and let’s see if we can’t get this thing, and particularly the potential loss to the British taxpayer, covered on PM questions when it comes about…
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 #246 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 10:05 am
Guys, sorry to break away from the main topic of the moment – BTW, I WILL be sending several letters out of SA as well, & well in FS for organsising this (although, due to the WC the mail might take an extra week to get to the UK as no fucker is interested in doing any work at the moment).
I know it’s been mentioned already, but it deserves another mention. Rafa’s generous donation left me with a huge lump in my throat – what a fucking man! Could you ever imagine someone like Appy Arry or the Tramp doing this?
Hats off to the man – what a legend. I will be following his progress at Inter very closely.
Forza Rafa, YNWA.
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 #247 |
rome77
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 12:57 pm
What do you mean the Tramp wouldn’t donate any money, he donated £750,000 ( tax deductible ) to the government under the cash for honours scam.
How else do you think he became Slur Alex.
“Happy Arry” on the other hand just deducted the tax to his offshore accounts.
YNWA
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 #248 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 1:04 pm
Yeah. Great stuff by Rafa, but then, even his detractors couldn’t even take that away from him…
A gentleman and thoroughly decent human being. Him and Montse will be sorely missed in Liverpool for many many reasons.
But the fight goes on…
Good stuff lads. It’s getting there. It’s gathering momentum. The MP for Walton, both Anfield and Goodison are in his constituency, is now going to start asking questions in the house of commons. So it’s working. Pressure is being put on and it’s being put on the right people by the right people to apply it.
But you know what…
That’s done to us and all the other foot soldiers who are fighting the good fight.
We need to keep the pressure on. So remember, spread the word… mates, family, other reds, any other forums you visit… drag someone in.
We can have these bastards.
Good work lads.
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 #249 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 2:38 pm
Just a little up date on the Sons Of Anfield song…
If you haven’t got itunes, it can be downloaded here..
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/sonsofanfield
Apparently it’s now 190 in the charts and rising. It only costs 79 pence a download. In these days just a few thousand hits gets it right up the charts. And then it has to be played on national radio stations. It’s already recieving play on BBC Radio Merseyside.
It’s a great way of waking people up. And I’m made up for me mate… a sound lad and great lad. Imagine the buzz, if you heard the kop blasting out your tune.
Oh well, South Africa v Mexico just about to kick off, so I’m having a break.
The Africans are putting on a great show. I’m really happy for them people to have this and I hope they do really well. But in all truth, I have a soft spot for Mexico, so I suppose a draw would be good.
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 #250 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 3:02 pm
Here you go…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyb0RlnHnU
But don’t forget to download it and have mates do the same. It only costs 79p, or whatever that is wherever you are, not much.
And every single penny is going to the campaign to get rid of H&G.
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 #251 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
Top notch tune. I downloaded it earlier from iTunes. And only 79p. Dirt cheap. Ye wouldnt get a roll of used bog toilet paper for that. Seriously though get in and download this lads. You cant underestimate how powerful it would be to the cause to get this in the top 10 or 20. Remember last year the big campaign to get Rage Against The Machine to No. 1 before that knob xfactor winner? It was all over the news and radio. Great publicity for the campaign. DJ’s cant introduce the song without giving some explanation to its background so get downloading.
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 #252 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 3:57 pm
The atmosphere in Jo’Berg looks great! I hope the Bafana Bafana get a goal to give the locals something to celebrate. I have a feeling this will be a very good world cup! Wish I was over there with my Standards Compromised shirt and a vuvuzela.
By the way Gerry is right. Fernando’s new haircut is dreadful.
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 #253 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 4:09 pm
What a goal!
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 #254 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 4:46 pm
Enjoyed that game,good show from South Africa.Decent start to the competition.
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 #255 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
They could have won it right at the end.
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 #256 |
Aitch
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 5:48 pm
LB, that’s a fuckin brilliant idea for at-shirt and ad campaign.
FS, that should be the next SOS Billboard Campaign.
Just a Red Billboard with White Letters
LFC – Standards Compromised
Gets the message out AND puts the shits up Standard Chartered.
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 #257 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 5:58 pm
I think your on to something Aitch.
Hey why don’t we write up a letter, address it to the head honcho at RBS and get as many LFC fans around the world to send it.
FS: Is that something you could get organised?
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 #258 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:04 pm
Aren’t the SOS LFC replica shirts coming with the ‘Standards Compromised’ as the logo?
If so, I will be the proud owner of my first LFC jersey!
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 #259 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:07 pm
The last time i looked on RAWK they had organised an alternative kit to the official one. As far as i can remember the logo on it was Standards Comprimised or Standards Corrupted. Great looking piece of kit as well. I’ll be buying it when its on sale. The proceeds go to the Save Liverpool Fc campaign and SOS i think. Better than giving them to cancerous cunts my hard earned cash.
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 #260 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
Come on Uruguay. Cheating bastards! It should be Eire there instead of those fuckers. Hope they get hammered and knocked out in the group stages. See the French have started their in-fighting again as well. Nothing changes.
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 #261 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:12 pm
Aitch, I think you have missed the post FS sent a couple days ago regarding an alternative kit with “Standards Compromised” as the sponsors logo.
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 #262 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:13 pm
Yet more classic sarcasm – from Kenny this time
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 #263 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:14 pm
Right – France vs Uruguay. Predictions?
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 #264 |
Gerry
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:41 pm
I agree artful-dodger, I hope those cheating bastard french get thumped. Come on Uruguay!
And apologies if I’ve offended anyone by mentioning football on this blog but I just got a little carried away.
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 #265 |
Gerry
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:47 pm
By the way, anyone on here watching the game?
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 #266 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:47 pm
Kenny mate, the Standards Comprimised logo is a thing that a couple of lads came up with. They’ve designed an alternative Liverpool kit/shirt. It should be on sale by the end of the month at about 15 to 20 quid a pop. It’s going to have it’s own website when it’s ready for sale.
I’ll keep you posted.
And there is something happening with billboards, but again I can’t say anything as it’s being kept under wraps for now. I can tell you this though, if it happens it’s going to be a whopper. And it’s going to shock a lot of people.
In fact, it’s really good at the minute, loads happening on loads of fronts…
There’s the alternative shirt campaign.
We’ve got loads of flags at the world cup, going to a load of different countries games.
(I just hope the authorities let them go up. I have a feeling they won’t and the media will then be able to ignore them).
But anyway, there’s also the song. It’s about 150 in the charts. Last time I looked me mate Terry is the filling in a Kasabian, Lady Ga Ga sarnie!
A couple of lads I know are running a really great campaign to educate our own fans.
Sadly it’s still really needed.
As I said earlier, politicians are finally jumping on board… about fuckin time too.
And, there’s quite a few things going on behind closed doors.
Then there’s what we’re up to, and that’s going really well.
There’s only one disapointing thing…
There’s far too many people who aren’t bothering. And I’m not saying this to score points.
I told you, I can’t be arsed with that now. But it’s the truth… the people who aren’t bothering are the Rafa bashers. It’s the same on every website and forum, they’re the ones not trying. And I know that, because I’m in contact with most forums and sites in one way or another.
And, to be honest, it’s disheartening to put in all the effort, see others put in all that effort, and some people not give a shit.
Oh well, I don’t want to be nagging or putting anyone on a downer. We can do it without them. But numbers is the thing, so this is important… remember to spread the word, and drag in everyone you can. It’s not hard. Just give a link to the letter, direct them in here, or any of the anti-owner sites on RAWK (Sorry Gerry but I know you won’t mind in this case).
It’s hard to believe, but there’s still plenty of people who don’t know what’s happening. That’s the idea behind the education campaign. The money from the single is being used to fund it. It was going to go to the HJC or SOS, but it got decided it was more needed to educate our own. Mindboggling, like I always say, but there you go.
But don’t lose heart. There’s far more positives than negatives. And this is only really just starting, and nothing’s going to happen over night But if we keep this up and keep dragging more on board, it will happen.
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 #267 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:48 pm
Yeah Gerry, you’re mates should been 2 up. Justice?
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 #268 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:51 pm
Sorry lads, missed a few posts while writing so missed the standards compromised posts…
I’ll let you all know once it goes on sale.
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 #269 |
Gerry
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 7:54 pm
Yeah FS, it seems that cheaters do sometimes win in the modern game and you need look no further then our own club for that. But I believe that in the end justice will prevail. So come on Uruguay and come on SOS!
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 #270 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 8:23 pm
Forlan is playing well for a tranny! Great goal earlier by South Africa.
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 #271 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 9:06 pm
Gerry you’re nuts, but I love your style… and maybe there is a bit of justice, peno shout just turned down.
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 #272 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 9:12 pm
Awful game. Without Zidane France are a load of rubbish. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a good game featuring Uruguay.
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 #273 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 11, 2010 @ 11:47 pm
Well, I’m off to bed, but just a quick heads up to all you lads who have fans cards or are members of a supporters group. Read this from Ian Ayre….
I Wanted to take this opportunity to write and thank you fro the work that you and your branch memebers do for Liverpoll Football Club. As a club we know that our supporters clubs play an important role in lots of areas of supporting and looking after fans all over the world.
The branch network has been running for many years but it was only in 1990′s that the branches were affiliated and a formal structure was introduced. The club is now looking to create a branch structure that can grow for the long term benefit of the club and its fans across the globe. In order to bring the branch network inline with the clubs other ticketing processes and policies it is important that the supporter clubs also gain entry by smart card as is the case with many of our other suppoter gruops, such as season ticket holders and members of the club membership scheme.
We have a growing demand for tickets from all branches and as such it is important to all areas of the club that we develop a fair and transparent way of allocating tickets. With this in mind it is important that we start to understand how many of our members there are in each branch and have them individually registered for stadium access. It will also help the club ensure that branches recieve tickets commensurate with the size of their branch membership base. As you are aware the club has not had any recent data on how many members each branch has and who they are.
In order to achieve this from the start of 2010/11 season, UK Eire and europeaon supporters clubs members wishing to attend matches at anfield will be required to join the official ALL Red membership scheme. This is so they can establish a direct relationship with the club as well as their supporters club and alllow us to recognise them on our systems data bases. For supporting this change in policy, branches will be paid a referral fee for each of their members who register. Supporter’s clubs members who are already members of the club membership scheme or are season ticket holders will not need to join again but will need to advise us that they are members of your branch.
Further details will follow in the next few weeks from the membership team but I wanted to give you an initial indication of the direction we are taking.
We thank you for your continued support and our membership team will be in touch in due course.
Yours sincerely
Ian Ayre
Commercial Director
Liverpool Football Club.
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In plain English what that means is…
You’ll now all have to pay 30 pounds sterling to become a member of this all ALL RED melarkey or you will no longer recieve tickets.
Yep. No matter how long you’ve been affiliated with the club, no matter what you or your group have done for the club, it’s all scrapped…
Yep. You are now basically all being held to ransom for 30 quid each – yes that’s 30 per person in your group – or the club will fuck you off and sell any tickets you’re entitled to someone else.
How many fans are there in your group Knight?
How many tickets a year are you entitled to?
Well kiss that good bye unless you all stump up 30 quid each.
I remember warning about this last season. I also remember telling you that we had disbanded the club we’d formed here in Bournemouth and sent the funds in the kitty to the HJC.
We had over 150 members in that club. That would have been an extra 450 quid in the coffers. Firstly what they done was make fan cards an annual charge. It used to be a one off payment, and that was it, you had a fan card for life. Then it went to an annual payment to have a fan card – even though it was promised this would never happen when the fan card scheme was introduced. Well, now it’s an annual payment of 30 quid to be in the ALL RED scheme.
That might not seem much but there are literally hundreds of thousands of fans that belong to official fans groups, and it’s now a big Fuck You, Pay Up or Fuck Off.
Oh well, you was warned.
But I can see a few good things in this..
1: Some people might wise up and see the truth… to H&G all of us are nothing but cash cows to be milked for all we’re worth.
2: H&G have gave up all pretence now. Where has Tom been since sacking Rafa? Why no comforting little fireside chat on Sky, promising us every thing is just Hunky Dory. And why is he keeping his head down while announcing this through Ayre?
Obvious… they know the phoney war is finally over. They know we aren’t falling for anymore of their lies. They are just trying to suck every penny from us that they can get.
I’d advise all fan card holders to return them with a letter explaining you refuse to be robbed anymore by H&G and will not go to another match or support the club financially in any way whatsoever until the owners are gone.
Anyway, I’m off. See you later.
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 #274 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 12:35 am
Oh and I know I’d said I wouldn’t comment on this again, but I have no choice…
To all the people who think the fools and backstabbers had nothing to do with Rafa getting sacked, well you know that Chelsea fan sitting in our boardroom, the Bought-man who was brought in with just one remit – to sell the club- well he has just released another story.
Thankfully this time he wasn’t telling Torres and Gerrard and the rest that they’d be better off leaving.
He said, He’d sacked Rafa – yes, he’d personally sacked Rafa – because of the media.
So, not only has he removed the one man who could stop him selling the players he is advising to leave, he has removed him on the say so of Sky, Talk Shite, Souness, Whelan, Redknapp, ad infinitum, and all the fools and traitors who agreed with them and couldn’t wait to say so on the blogs, forums and phone ins.
Once again, well done.
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 #275 |
donalfromthegap
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 3:00 am
What a lousy bastard!
Thats worse than Darth Vader killin Ob1
Anyway Bafana’s goal and performance is giving me some hope
I cant wait to see them Fuck France right up their arse
Pardon me french!
Over and out
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 #276 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 8:47 am
Donal… 7% increase on season tickets.
30 quid enforced charge on loyal fan card holders and supporters club members.
That’s within the last few days, and still some people aren’t acting and are burying their heads in the sand.
I fear it’s going to take Boughtman selling Torres and killing Bishop Desmond Tutu live on TV with his bare teeth for some people to realise what’s going on and do something.
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 #277 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 9:11 am
FS: That still wouldn’t convince me, I think you’re just scaremongering.
You Irish boys are a bitter bunch. The poor old French are a pale imitation of the team they used to be. Awful. Their manager Domenech is a fruit cake.
What a snore bore draw!!
USA USA USA!! just kidding. I want England to win the tournament but only if Stevie G and Jamie Carragher score all the goals.
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 #278 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 10:58 am
Kenny lad, something has just happened mate that I again I can’t really speak about. I know you must all be getting pissed off with the cloak and dagger stuff. And to be honest, I can barely believe what has just happened this morning, but believe me mate… things are starting to happen, very good important things.
I’m not saying we’re getting there lads. But we’re headed in the right direction.
Hang in there and keep dragging more in. I know you can’t see it, and it’s hard to keep faith. I wish I could tell you more, but believe me, we are being noticed and we are having a great effect.
Good stuff lads.
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 #279 |
DJGAZZA
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 11:10 am
My work colleague got is season ticket renewal letter this week. It’s gone up nearly £100 and must be paid in about 17days. No higher fee for paying late, just 17days or else
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 #280 |
axchoice
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 12:02 pm
Kenny #277,
2 years ago, I used to doubt FS saying that we were going the route of Leeds.
Now I’m convinced, and I’d add Newcastle & Portsmouth to the list. If the Yanks aren’t stop, we’d be joining them soon.
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 #281 |
JackHill
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 12:11 pm
Thank God good things are happening,I trust in your enigmatic comments FS and whatever it,or many its, is or are, I want it to happen before I fall off my perch.
Good Luck to Liverpool,England and you!!!
Now to see the game.
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 #282 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
#279: My work colleague got is season ticket renewal letter this week. It’s gone up nearly £100 and must be paid in about 17days. No higher fee for paying late, just 17days or else.
It’s the tip of the iceberg mate. So don’t just let them do it and wait for what’s next. Get on the campaign and drag as many others as you can in.
Mr Hill Sir, don’t you worry. I’m not going to another game until they are gone. I’m not going to get tickets for anyone else until they are gone. But with just a little luck and a load of effort, I’ll mug you to a seat on the Kop and a couple of gills in the Sandon before very long.
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 #283 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 4:42 pm
Nice one Fatty its good to hear there`s some progress in the campaign.Keep up the good work lads.
Sorry lads i can`t hope for an England world cuo win.Jesus were still hearing about 1966.
No i`m going to wait until they get knocked out and tune in to talksport just to listen to them whine away!!
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 #284 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 8:12 pm
No offense to anyone rooting for England, but HAHAHAHAHAHA at Green’s howler.
I still expect England to get to the last 16, if not win this game.
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 #285 |
JackHill
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 8:14 pm
Good God! England 1-1 USA HT.
Elementary mistake by Green who should have got BEHIND the ball.
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 #286 |
Arman23
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 8:18 pm
But surely if people don’t buy season tickets and replica shirts then the club really will end up like Leeds and Pompey. We can’t expect to keep any players if there is no cash flow at all to pay for their wages. Do you really bite your nose to spite your face? If you do then you can’t complain if all the good players are sold. Obviously we all want the Yanks to go but is this the right way to go?
P.S. Great goal-keeping there by Green, bring back Calamity James.
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 #287 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 8:19 pm
BTW, who’s for banning those vuvuzelas from the stadium? For the matches played so far, I can hardly hear anything else save for those annoying horns.
Even the traditionally upbeat Korean drum-chanting in the Korea v Greece game were drowned out by this noise.
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 #288 |
Aitch
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 10:25 pm
You just watch next season… vevuzulas all over the Prem! There were at least 2 Lower League play-off games where I heard them throughout!
Arman… unfortunately we’ve already cut off our nose to spite our face, by allowing Rafa to be hounded out…
…the financial things simply MUST be done.
Yes of course, there is of course a downside to it, but it is necessary and is THE ONLY thing that can force the Yanks out.
They are gone…. its just a question of how much more organizational damage they can do before they go and how much they financially damage the club in the process!
When you are shot… and bleeding… you must cut the hole bigger to remove the bullet.
You’re gonna bleed more in the process, but better that than leave the bullet in, coz you can’t heal until the bullet has been removed!
G&H are the bullet in that scenario, in case it wasn’t clear!
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 #289 |
Aitch
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 10:29 pm
As for the World Cup… the Prem might be the best league right now, but if it is, then it is so only because of the foreign imports… if the best England can field at a World Cup is Milner, Lennon and that fuckin Donkey, Heskey,?????
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 #290 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 10:52 pm
Arman #286… it’s the only way to go. They aren’t going to put any money into the club… they are going to syphon out every penny they can.
You should read up on the true situation a bit and you’ll soon see why this has to be done.
And don’t take my word for it…
Read what Tom Hicks has said himself on several occasions. He’s done it often and for a long time. In fact, he started as soon as he took over the club… Weetabix? On field success and brand loyalty? Any of that ring a bell?
He’s just turned down to decent offers for the club.
Why?
The RBS and their employee, Broughtman, is supposedly able to over ride H&G and force a sale.
Why hasn’t he?
RBS, are being paid mega-millions in interest on loans they made.
Why would they do anything to force a sale while this situation is allowed to go on?
All seems pretty obvious to me… LFC is now nothing more than a massive piggy bank for the
owners and their creditors… So any penny, you, me or anybody else spends on the club is just going to disappear into their coffers.
And I could go on and on, but I really don’t have the time.
It really is as straight forward as this now mate…
Some people are prepared to do a little to save their club.
Others aren’t.
There’s both types in here. Which are you?
Hopefully you’re on our side. I’d like to think so. And I know how crazy this must seem if you don’t have all the facts. But have a look at some of the comments in here. Have a look elsewhere, and if that doesn’t convince you that we need to do something and that you should help, fair enough.
But if you aren’t the type to be conned and robbed, fight back.
All you need is in here… send the letter, add a personal note, get others to do the same.
We aren’t powerless. It’s already having effect. And if you need any help don’t be scared to ask, people will be happy to help and that includes me.
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 #291 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 12, 2010 @ 10:57 pm
PS… Aitch, no need to wait for next season. My streets been full of kids blowing vuvezellas all day. Can’t stand it meself. But then, I can’t stand watching the kop fuck YNWA up nowadays. But this is not my world cup. It belongs to the South Africans and this generation.
I’ve got tinitus. I find a bout of that a bit more enjoyable. But Kinny… there’s a volume button. We have no right to dictate to people. It’s their thing. They love it. And you have to admit, it’s good to see so many people happy and things going really well, especially after all the scaremongering in the press… and we all know what bastards they are.
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 #292 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 8:39 am
What a win for the U.S! (they’re treating it as such over here). As much as I concur with Tims sentiments I must say I was the only one at the bar who (somewhat embarrassingly) jumped when Stevie cooly slid home the opener. A typically superior finish that comes with the territory when discussing the worlds best players drew unimpressed looks from the bars patrons but…..fuck that. He’s one of us. I for one was fucken delighted for him. Skipper. Champions league…WINNER/CAPTAIN/LEADER. Well done Stevie la
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 #293 |
Arman23
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 9:06 am
FS, no need to question my loyalty, I was just asking a question and thanks for answering. I do have all the facts and I know which side I’m on. I’ve joined up to SOS and bought the sons of anfield song off iTunes and look forward to buying the alternate home kit with Standards Compromised written on it.
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 #294 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 1:38 pm
Fucks sake what is it with people’s feelings on here… Arman, I never questioned anything. Actually quite the opposite… I read your questions and tried to point you towards some answers.
And I told you straight… there is now no question to it… The phoney war has finally finished. Thank fuck, the gloves are off. The fight is on for real. But some people won’t join it, some will.
That was all there was to it, that’s all there is to it… the time for questioning what’s right and wrong. Who’s on our side, who’s against us, and who’s doing nothing is long passed.
We have to attack them on all fronts. We have to get as many people as we can involved and we have to just forget those who won’t help.
I’m glad you’re on board. And I’ll have some more news for you very soon. I’m just waiting on some details but you can stand on this… we are making an impact and that’s because good people like you and the rest of the triers in this blog are doing their bit.
And I thought I’d made that plain on many occasions… pound for pound, this blog of Gerry’s is punching far above and beyond it’s weight. There’s many bigger sites out there on the web, but from what I’ve seen per head count, on average, this blog is doing more than it’s bit.
But I can’t keep going through this. So… If I piss any one off who is doing there bit, I appologise in advance. You have to give me a bit of a break on that… I’m at this practically 24/7. I’m at meetings, on the web, on the phone, doing all I can. I don’t want a medal, just a little help. And you’ll have to forgive me if a few words here and there come out wrong. I’m bound to get misunderstood once in awhile. But just ignore it and carry on with what you’re doing… we need the help and we haven’t got time for squabbles, and explanations.
There’s a fight on… keep up the good work and spread the word. We can win it if you do.
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 #295 |
Dizzy
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 5:29 pm
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/1r4v6o
Disgusting!!!
ALways knew there’s this idiotic hate against liverpool in the media but this just proves it .. sort of ..
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 #296 |
Aitch
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 7:01 pm
Maybe there is hope?
“South Africa’s World Cup organising chief Danny Jordaan may ban vuvuzelas from inside stadiums after complaints from broadcasters and supporters.”
“The constant sound of the high-pitched horn-like instrument has so far drowned out much of the atmosphere-generating singing usually associated with games. “
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 #297 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 9:34 pm
Somehow Aitch,i cannot see this happening.This is SA`s tradition,its their world cup so people have to respect that and go along with it.
Poor oul Didi Hamman,he`s been thrown into the RTE panel for the Germany game tonght alongside Giles and Brady.Should be a lovely experience for him
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 #298 |
Gerry
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 10:10 pm
I thought Didi did a great job on the panel Timmy, I hope we see a bit more of him on there in the future. In fairness I think RTE’s coverage has been great so far.
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 #299 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 10:11 pm
#295. Good spotting that and I enjoyed reading it, but it is something I knew and tried to say anyway. In fact, I remember telling a story about some national daily news papers doing a sort of question and answer session and they openly addmitted that they had it in for Benitez because they, and I qoute “Hated him.”
On the very day he gave 96 grand to the 96, I read a piece in the Daily Mail entitled, “Benitez’s last spiteful act as Liverpool manager.”
It went on and on about old Doc Waller. He’s been the Liverpool FC doctor for donkey’s years. He did save Gerard Houlier’s life by diagnosing what was happening in the early stages of his heart attack and got him to hospital promptly enough to be saved when he probably would have died if it had been any later.
So the fella banged on and on about the dirty johnny foreigner sacking old lovable Doc Waller as a last dirty trick, but forgot to say that the Doc was retiring. And though a very likeable and well respected man at Anfield and Melwood, that he was about 40 past his sell by date and Rafa had just hired that world renowkned Australian doctor and sports science fella. I can’t think of his name off the top of me head. But he’s supposedly the top man, wanted by all sorts of Sporting giants in the NFL and other places but he joined Liverpool after being swayed by Rafa.
This is what the club and the man have always been up against. We know that, sadly our new chairman Boughtman appears not to – recently addmitting he sacked Rafa because the media didn’t like him… which was a load of bollacks. HE sacked him, as I said, for one reason, to remove the last obstacle in the way. But the media was a convienient excuse because of the years of bile and hatred towards the man.
Oh well, it’s done now and god only knows how much we will end up regretting that and paying for it. But hopefully, things like this constantly coming to light will make enough people angry enough to fight back.
Which is what I came in about. Nothing earth shattering to report but I’ll hopefully have a bit more news this week. I’m waiting on a couple of things and the fight is being notched up a level and there’ll be a bit more that people can help with. So, I’ll be back when I get the ammo I’m waiting on.
As for now, that’s enough. I had a lovely break today… boss little day out. Great soul band playing near me, all Scousers and Glaswegians playing all the great old Motown and Stax stuff. Me mate plays guitar with them. I’d have went ages ago if I’d known they was that good. Well, anyway, all rested, refreshed and ready for another push now.
I can hear that X-Files music starting to pipe up in the background Aitch. Get yer catcher’s mitt on. It’ll soon be that time again.
See yers later lads. Thanks for all the help. It’s much appreciated and it is making inroads. so don’t give up. They’re wobbling, one big push might just be enough to help topple them.
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 #300 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 13, 2010 @ 10:43 pm
Nice one FS.
Gerry i love watchng the boys on RTE when the tournaments are on.They don`t talk much sense but they`re damn sure good for a giggle.
I`d do be pissing myself laughing at Bill and the boys.
Apres Match then to top it off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39SCfgfAxc
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 #302 |
Skeat
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 3:55 am
I heard that RAFA made another donation
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/06/12/former-lfc-manager-rafa-benitez-donates-significant-amount-to-liverpool-s-lily-centre-100252-26637216/
THE co-founder of Liverpool’s Lily Centre today admitted she was “overwhelmed” after receiving a “significant” donation from Rafa Benitez.
The former Liverpool FC boss, who on Thursday gave £96,000 to the Hillsborough Family Support Group, yesterday helped another charity he holds close to his heart.
Though co-founder Peggy O’Brien would not disclose the amount on the cheque Benitez wrote, she revealed it would go a long way to helping the day-to-day running of The Lily Centre – a breast cancer support group – for a considerable time.
Mrs O’Brien said: “It was an absolutely fantastic gesture and we are all over the moon – it was completely overwhelming.
“We have known Rafa and [his wife] Montse for a long time but we did not expect this at all. You just do not expect people to give you money like that.
“Rafa and Montse have been good to us in the past and they did things that people would not know about, such as when he gave us Fernando Torres’ first Liverpool shirt for a raffle, which raised £4,900.
“But this just came completely out of the blue. We know they are moving on because Rafa has changed jobs, but we will keep in contact with them.”
Mrs O’Brien and Winnie Keating set up the Lily Centre, which is based in Silvester Street, Kirkdale, 11 years ago.
They now have 750 female volunteers and two men helping them when they open every Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Mrs O’Brien said: “This gesture will just help make things that bit easier for us and helps with the cost of running the centre.
“We do not get any government funding and we do not have any paid workers. Myself and Winnie both had breast cancer and we started this off from nothing.
“Everything is done on a volunteer basis and we cannot thank Rafa and Montse enough for helping us.
“They have supported us ever since they came to Liverpool in 2004 and there is no doubt they will remain our friends.”
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Anti-RAFA, RAFA bashers…..err…..
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 #303 |
Aitch
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 7:18 am
Christ…. He really must have been the BEST fat Spanish Waiter in the fuckin Biz if he was clearing that much in tips?
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 #304 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 9:47 am
Aye Skeat, as I said, Rafa and Montse will be sorely missed in Liverpool for many many reasons.
But you know what, I could direct you towards articles by the press and comments from our own “Supporters,” that slate them for this – knocking the donation to the 96 as just some sort of sympathy stunt.
#303: Aitch, you wouldn’t believe I seen one lad, a Liverpool “Supporter” saying in all seriousness… “Aren’t the waiters supposed to get the gratuities.”
And then going on a rant. Liverpool supporters my arse. I hate even being associated with these people just because they decided to attach themselves to our club. And you can bet your bottom lip on this… not one of them is helping out in the fight.
And, here’s where we are up to right now…
Broughton is next. Something has to be done about this fella. It will. I’ll be back with that in a short while.
But the fight we can all get involved in is going to be on 4 fronts…
1: Sponsors,
2: RBS.
3: inside agents – Broughton and Purslow.
4: Politicians.
We started with the sponsors. We’re on RBS. As I said, I’ll be back with the Broughton news. And some time this week, well… I’ve got something really good to launch. Just waiting on some details now.
I know it’s a lot to ask, but we all get an hour or so a day when we have nothing to do. If we use it to do something, and ask others to help, we can have a great effect on all this.
Back shortly.
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 #305 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 10:01 am
Re: Vuvuzelas! FS & Timmy, spot on. It is OUR World Cup. The vuvuzelas are part & parcel of SA football. I’m afraid thise who don’t like it will just have to deal with it. I personally prefer them to ‘Pa…pa pa pa, pa pa pa pa pa’ i.e. the trumpets from the Ingerland supporters. 
Jovanovich looked sharpish for Serbia, but couldn’t shoot for shit. The Germans now…oh dear, the Germans looked brilliant.
Sorry that this is a non-LFC related post. Just had to put my feelings across (as a local) re the vuvuzelas.
And fuck you Uli Hoeness, the German press & the English tabloids for doubting wether SA (or Africa) could host a World Cup.
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 #307 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 10:39 am
No messing about here… read the letter. Obviously from the lack of F-ing and Blinding, it wasn’t written by me. One of our concerned friends wrote it. It’s excentlly written and details all the reasons why Broughton needs to be brought to account.
This man needs at least a rap on the knuckles and a reminder of what his only remit is… selling the club not sacking managers, or leaking adverse stories to his friends in the media, advising our best players to leave… hopefully to Chelsea from his point of view.
So, if your with us on this, print it, and send it. There’s only 3 targets. It won’t take ten minutes and it costs less than a pint to do. Not much effort to help defend your club.
The letter explains all our grieviances, but add a wee note of your own expressing your thoughts and feeling on this. And don’t forget to spread the word. We need everyone we can pulling in the same direstion. It’s our duty to defend our club and the more we can get on it the better.
I know I keep putting on you lads, but I know you want to help. I’ll have one more thing in a couple of days. That’ll be a four fronted battle we are fighting, while other people get on with other things behind the scenes.
We’re getting there lads. We just need to keep pushing and get as many others as we can to put their weight behind it.
So, here goes…
To:
Richard Scudamore
Chief Executive
Premier League
30 Gloucester Place
London
W1U 8PL
cc.
David Sheepshanks
Acting Co-Chairman
The Football Association
25 Soho Square
London
W1 4FA
cc.
Roger Burden
Acting Co-Chairman
The Football Association
25 Soho Square
London
W1 4FA
Dear Mr Scudamore,
I wish to express my increasing concern regarding the conduct of Martin Broughton, recently appointed as Chairman of Liverpool Football Club.
Upon taking up the part-time role in April 2010, Mr Broughton confirmed that his remit was purely to facilitate the sale of the club on behalf of the current owners. Acting in conjunction with investment bank, Barclays Capital, it was made quite clear that his role was limited to reviewing and making recommendations on potential buyers. Furthermore, as Chairman, it was also made explicit that he would not be involved in the day-to-day running of the club or making operational decisions, deferring those responsibilities to the existing management team headed up by the Managing Director, Christian Purslow, himself a temporary appointment whilst the club sought a long-term replacement for former Chief Executive Rick Parry.
As you are no doubt aware, Mr Broughton has always been open about his strong personal allegiances to another, rival Premier League member, Chelsea Football Club. Many Liverpool fans, whilst initally sceptical given such an admission, were nevertheless prepared to cautiously accept his personal inclination, given his very specific role and his ‘day job’ as Chairman of British Airways plc (BA). We had trust that he would act in a manner befitting the role of Chairman, respectful both of his duties and the confidences they afforded, and ultimately, to act in the best interests of the club. His statement in May 2010 that he felt it unwise to attend the forthcoming Premier League match between Liverpool FC and Chelsea FC, was also seen at the time as understandable albeit a little disconcerting.
However, that initial scepticism seems to have been valid and has taken on greater significance following a recent report in the Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article7140751.ece.
Having stated he did not think it wise to appear in public attending that football match between Liverpool FC and Chelsea FC, it therefore beggars belief he felt no such compulsion or crisis of conscience about accepting a subsequent invitation to attend Chelsea FC’s private party to celebrate their Premier League title. Not only did he happily attend the event, mixing with executives and club officials, but he is alleged to have made ‘off-the-record’ comments to a Sky journalist and broadcaster present that contradict his official stance on the sales process at Liverpool FC, and worse, made specific insinuations and references to Liverpool’s most valuable player, Fernando Torres, glibly suggesting he may leave due to the state of the club. I suggest to you that these remarks – not withdrawn or denied – are both wholly unprofessional (in circumstances not entirely dissimilar to the damaging Triesman affair) and represent clear evidence of a serious conflict of interest given his position at Liverpool FC.
There is also the matter of his official involvement in the very recent and somewhat controversial dismissal of Liverpool’s manager, Rafael Benitez, a long-standing outspoken critic of Liverpool’s owners. Suggestions that he was only communicating on behalf of Christian Purslow are no longer valid given he has now confirmed his direct involvement in an email to Jim Boardman, who runs an independent fans site, AnfieldRoad.com (on which the email is published). In addition to restating his primary remit (the sale of the club), Mr Broughton confirmed he was involved in the dismissal as it was “a matter for the Board”. This is contrary to his non-involvement in operational club matters that he claimed upon appointment. Either that original statement was deliberately false, or he has acted in collusion with Christian Purslow (who, it should be noted, shows no sign of ceding his own temporary role, despite having failed in his primary objective to secure investment, and having interviewed no candidates for the CEO position that would render his own job redundant) to terminate the contract of a manager for political purposes. The role of Chairman is not something that he can apply when and where it suits him to do so. Mr Broughton’s additional comment in that email that the decision was largely ratified by the media as some sort of justification, is at best, extremely naïve or at worst, utterly disingenuous. Again, a comment that raises serious question marks about his perceived integrity and credibility in general.
You may quite reasonably feel this is very much an internal matter for Liverpool FC, not least given the current ownership welcomed his appointment. However, I would remind you that both the Premier League and FA have a regulatory responsibility to maintain the integrity of the game, and where necessary police clubs and individuals involved with clubs, in order to safeguard the interests of the sport. Both organisations are very clear on potential conflict of interests when it comes to clubs, players and agents, and I see no need reason why that policy should not be extrapolated and enforced in this matter. Let us not forget the controversy and disrepute that Peter Kenyon was involved with following investigations into his involvement in transfers towards the end of his tenure at Manchester United whilst in discussions to join Chelsea. Suggestions of questionable moral conduct by association also tainted him at Stamford Bridge, for example the Quest report into unlicensed agents. Then there is David Dein, who was also subjected to similar controversy and accusations of conflicting interests given his dual roles at Arsenal and the FA. Ultimately, the game’s executives must be beyond reproach, a criteria that Mr Broughton has even in such a short time, evidently failed to fulfill.
Whatever his credentials at BA, Martin Broughton is very far from being an experienced football executive. He was appointed only to provide a credible and reputable business figurehead with whom potential buyers for the club could comfortably enter into discussions with (in stark contrast to owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett). However inexperience is not an excuse for ill-judged and questionable conduct. And so I would call upon you to investigate this matter and strongly consider a motion to censure his conduct. Given the circumstances and his comments, I would hate to think what the potential ramifications would be if, for example, Fernando Torres was sold to Chelsea this summer. Improper or not, it would be seen as a transfer potentially involving corruption given Mr Broughton’s access to confidential contracts and his own personal loyalties, and any failure for you to properly investigate such a proposed deal would be highly damaging to the game in England, and consequently the Premier League’s reputation globally.
I ask you, therefore, to act pre-emptively and in the first instance, investigate this matter by requesting Mr Broughton answer these deeply-held concerns (held by the vast majority of genuine Liverpool stakeholders I might add) regarding his allegiances and agenda, and for you to report as such via reputable media outlets. At the very least, it will serve as a welcome reminder to Mr Broughton as to his wider responsibilities and duty of care as chief representative of one of your high-profile members.
Yours faithfully,
(name withheld)
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Don’t forget to add a note with your own grieviances and most importantly….
Get everyone you can on this. To win – we need the numbers.
Thanks for all the help lads. I’d love to buy all a pint. Great stuff. Keep it up. We can win this.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 10:42 am
PS: Rafalution, I can see why some people think the vuvezellas are a bloody nuisance. I agree really, the kids in our street have all got them now, so there’s no escaping them for me. But you know what… I think that’s great. It shows how many people are enjoying this and I’m very happy for Africa. Take no bloody notice of our redtop papers. We all know what miserable bastards they are. Just enjoy the whole thing. I am. Even though I think I’m going to end up with tinitus… great stuff, good on you and the whole country.
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 #310 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 4:27 pm
Carra on the vuvuzelas…
“When I came on I didn’t notice it too much. I think you notice it more when you are watching on TV,” he said.
“But my kids have been on the phone and asked for two so I’ll have to take two home for them. I’ve got two in my bag already.
“Anyone who watches me play at Anfield will know that I am louder than the vuvuzelas!”
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 #311 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 5:39 pm
SOAK, we have plenty of local politicians on board now. They took bloody long enough, but at least they’ve climbed off the fence and are having a go. I’m in contact with a couple myself. They’re behind us all the way.
And to anyone who is doubting the reason for getting at our own chairman… Well, it looks like Benayoun is off to Chelsea.
If that’s not at least a conflict of interests, I don’t know what is. But if you want to make certain the same doesn’t happen to Torres and Gerrard… get on the campaign to have Broughton brought to question for all his involvement in these highly wrong shenanigans.
Make no bones about this, whether Bought-man sells our prized assets to Chelsea or not, he has already advised them all to leave, and he must be brought to account.
There’s no excuse for not acting. It’s 3 letters to print and send, and just add a note of your own saying why you think it’s wrong for an LFC chairmen to advise our own players to bail out – especially when he is a Chelsea fan with a conflict of interests.
They will listen. They will look into it and bollack them. They have no choice. Make them do it or you could be watching an LFC team bereft of Reina, Johnson, Masch, Gerrard and Torres very soon.
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 #312 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 7:35 pm
I haven’t posted in a while since I had some family stuff to deal with.
Took me a bit of time to catch up but I now have the Broughton letter drafted and will pop them in the post tomorrow.
I am now off to iTunes for the Sons of Anfield tune.
Every little helps!
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 #313 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 7:37 pm
FS, I posted a few weeks ago that I thought that the Onion fella would leave in the summer but not like this.
What a mess!
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 #314 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 7:37 pm
I must stop finishing my posts with an exclamation mark!
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 #315 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 8:36 pm
Good lad Lurgie. And I hate to say it, but the writing was on the wall and everyone was warned.
And like I said a few posts back, getting shut of Rafa wasn’t the start of the asset stripping – Bought-man was preparing it all along.
But we don’t have to let them get away with it. We can bring them to book. I’ve got the full backing of SOS on all this. Don’t want to be a smartarse, but I was in conversation with them for ages over all this and in the end decided it could wait no longer and so went it alone. But from a few little seeds I lashed on RAWK, it’s grown and grown. And it’s now got the full backing of the union, as they work on other things. But they are encouraging everyone they can to get onboard.
I’m sure some people will think I’m being a smartarse. I’m not. It’s not about me and I don’t want medals. I’m a footsoldier like the rest of you, not a general. And frankly, I’d rather be just one of the lads. And so, I’m just letting you all know, that from very small beginnings this has took off, it’s still growing and it’s getting hefty backing.
We just have to keep it up. I honestly can’t divulge some of the people that have jumped on board and passed me the ammo. But believe me, we have some hefty hitters on our side. And, as I’ve always promised, there’s big things going on behind closed doors. But having said that… it’s you lads, and all the other lads and lasses that are making the difference. And it’s us that will win this.
So don’t lose that enthusiasm or the momentum.
Obviously we all have to attend to our normal lives. I hope you had a great time with the family Luran. I had a boss day out yesterday. I needed the break to be honest. And I’ve been busy most of the day, but we all get a little hour or so a day when we’ve got nothing to do… well put it to good use. Fight for your club, drag others in to do the same and tell them to pass it on to.
Or I tell you what, )and hopefully it won’t be seen as scaremongering anymore), if we stand idly by and let it happen… we are screwed.
But we are not Pompey, or Palace, even Leeds or Newcastle. We are LFC – yes us, the supporters – and there’s millions of us. We get just a fraction of that support onboard, and we can do some right damage to these bastards and their plans.
As I said, there’ll be another target unvieled in a few days. But in the meantime, we must deal with this hired hit-man Broughton, or we’ll soon have nothing much to save.
Thanks for all the help lads. I’m proud of you all and glad to have you in the battle. Fuck the generals. We’ll win this.
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 #316 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 8:41 pm
PS… as usual, I forgot to say what I came in to say.
Great news, we’ve dragged in a couple of thousand of people already. And there’s been some huge fan groups alerted. For instance, The Norwegian Reds alone number over 1,500. The head of the group is rallying the troops and this sort of thing is happening all over. And that’s down to the ordinary lads like us. So keep on it boys. We are getting there.
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 #317 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 9:28 pm
Hi fellow kopites. Been reading the posts for some time and want to do my bit to help out. They are f###ing ruining a club that i have supported since I was 7.
FS, what do I need to do to kick those two morons where it hurts.
Anything to help out where it hurts!!
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 #318 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 9:51 pm
For all you LFC ‘watchers’ who have not signed up yet to the SOS, or sent any letters, here is the defintion of ‘Support’, in the verbal sense.
sup·port
? ?/s??p?rt, -?po?rt/ Show Spelled[suh-pawrt, -pohrt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1. to bear or hold up (a load, mass, structure, part, etc.); serve as a foundation for.
2. to sustain or withstand (weight, pressure, strain, etc.) without giving way; serve as a prop for.
3. to undergo or endure, esp. with patience or submission; tolerate.
4. to sustain (a person, the mind, spirits, courage, etc.) under trial or affliction: They supported him throughout his ordeal.
5. to maintain (a person, family, establishment, institution, etc.) by supplying with things necessary to existence; provide for: to support a family.
6. to uphold (a person, cause, policy, etc.) by aid, countenance, one’s vote, etc.; back; second.
7. to maintain or advocate (a theory, principle, etc.).
8. to corroborate (a statement, opinion, etc.): Leading doctors supported his testimony.
9. to act with or second (a lead performer); assist in performance: The star was supported by a talented newcomer.
Which one do you come under? I would hope it would be King Kenny’s number. So what are you waiting for?
[Steps down of soap box and walks away]
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 #319 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 10:56 pm
#317. I’m just having a quick sweep round before knocking off. I’m knackered and been at it too long today. So, have a look through this comments section, you’ll soon see the posts with the letters in. Read them and I’ll get back to you tomorrow.
Don’t think I’m fobbing you off, quite the opposite, it’s great to have you onboard. We need all the triers we can get.
But I need a break now and I’m still going through a load of links doing a last few things that have to be done. But I’ll get back to you soon as I can… probably some time tomorrow afternoon. I’m working tomorrow, but I’ll be finished early afternoon, 2pm or so.
I’ll give you all the info then, but as I said, have a quick look through… it’s all here and Lurgan or any of the lads that are involved and on here tonight will help.
Welcome aboard. Good to have you onside.
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 #320 |
McrRed
Posted on June 14, 2010 @ 11:02 pm
Hey Kopite and anyone else who wants to do something, try 81; 218 and 307…
It’s all there.
Good luck!!!
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 #321 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 8:00 am
Thanks Mc I was just going to go through it all again. You’ve saved me there mate…
There you go SA Kopite. Mc’s sorted it for you. Have a read, have a go, any questions, I’ll do me best to answer them.
Thanks for having a go mate, but much more importantly you’re doing something that might just stop the fire sale and help save the club as we know it.
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 #322 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 10:34 am
My letter to RBS is on it’s way – letter to Scuadmore and Sheepshanks next..
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 #323 |
McrRed
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 2:19 pm
Sad to see Benny go for a couple of reasons, if it’s true that Chelsea have nabbed him:
He was immense in the 08/09 season (once he learned to tackle) though injury last year took some of the sting out of his already skillful game.
More importantly I feel duty-bound as a trainee doom-monger to note that the ides of July are upon us and the fire-sale begins…
I take it we’re not getting Joe Cole as a replacement then?
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 #324 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 2:36 pm
On the other side is this Bought-man using his influence and contacts at LFC? Fucking tapping up players for the Chavs. Whose next? Torres? Serious conflict of interest this. Boughtman, Purslow, Hicks, Gillett……. how did we end up with this pond life at the club. Absolute cretins the lot of them. They couldnt be further from the Liverpool Way if they tried. Cunts.
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 #325 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 2:44 pm
To FS, McrRed and Lurgan, thanks for pointing me in the right direction – i’ll get onto. Really gutted the way we are being treated and have to say that our ‘Chelski’ Chairman looks to be doing the dirty on us – talk about a conflict of interests
Compare those two US buggers to an earthquake, the debt and bullshit to the Tsunami, the appointment of Broughton to the start of thebig wave crashing down ontop of us and the deaprture of Rafa and sale of Benny (and whoever else will be departing) as the mass destrcution that has imploded.
What a right mess this has left us in adn the only question is where the f##k do we go from here.
Would anyone want to join us in this fine mess? I think not
Brace ourselves for a very bump ride me thinks!
Support all the way boys, we never walk alone and we will always hold our heads up high!!!
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 #326 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 5:40 pm
Just got junk mail of one Mr.james traore.
hmmm could it be???
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 #327 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 6:32 pm
So it is confirmed now. We have just paid a world -class manager 6 million quid (give or take and more than he has had to spend in the last 2 seasons, net) to go and join the champions of Europe and 5 consecutive league titles to boot.
You couldn’t make this shite up. Think of it! From a business point-of-view, long term, this makes no sense whatsoever. So what does make sense then?
Yep, asset stripping and raping of all things that we knew (yes, past tense) as LFC.
Get out there and spread the FS gospel lads.
Welcome aboard SA kopite.
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 #329 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 15, 2010 @ 8:09 pm
Cheers Lurgan, happy to be aboard & will try and post as often as I can in between work commitments -which is stressing me out just as much as whats happening at our beloved.
Agreed, we loose a top class manager to the likes of Serie A – Clearly, Broughton and the two goons know what they’re doing – NOT!
Waita mo, they must have a plan – do i here rumblings of a worldclass manager joining us who will have mega bucks to spend – it will be interesting to see what bullshit lies they come up with next time round
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 #331 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 8:09 am
There’s something very fishy going on but I can’t quite work out what it is.
Rafa fired given £6 million compensation to leave.
Benny Onion transfer to Chavski £6 million fee reported.
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 #332 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 8:10 am
Oh hang on a sec I’ve done the maths. Sacking Rafa hasn’t cost the Yanks anything at all. It’s cost LFC one very good footballer to weaken an already weakened squad.
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 #333 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 8:13 am
Not only did we pay him to leave and join Inter Lurgan mate, we were in such a rush to force him out that we paid him to leave immeadiately when Inter were willing to pay compensation to cut his contract at LFC and join them!
Anyway, just a quick update…
The banners that got sent to the world cup have been getting confiscated and destroyed by SA police and stewards.
I got sent some pictures of this but have no way of linking them into here. But…
The BBC have picked up on this, even the Daily Manc (Mail) has mentioned the banners. But the BBC is going to do a story on the flags, what made people make and carry them, the campaign behind them, etc, etc…
So, this bit of censorship might funnily get us more coverage than a few glimpses on telly ever could.
I’ll keep you posted on this as it develops.
And things are developing lads. Make no bones about that, we are getting results. We just need to keep the pressure on. I know you’ve all done your bit on the letters front, but don’t forget to drag others in.
We might have a place to drag them soon an all. Me and a mate are trying to get a website built. Not a forum, no blogs, no comments, no members, no nothing. It’s for no other reason than to present all the facts, educate our own fans and give them a way of fighting back. I’ll keep you updated on that an all.
As for the update on the fight, well… I’m still waiting on some things meself. But I will be back with it asap. It’ll be another front to fight on and maybe the most important of them all.
We’ll be going for the politicians next lads. And here’s a bit of news on that front…
There’s a huge trades union conference going on in Bournemouth at the moment. One of me mate’s has a son who’s heavily involved in local politics back home in Liverpool. I brought him over here yesterday and showed him everything that’s going on… there will be developments from this and I will keep you posted as soon as there is, probably this time next week.
So things are picking up. We are getting results. We can have a huge effect on the health of our club…
As I said, make no mistake, even if we force all the shit out of our boardroom this afternoon, there will be damage. But we can limit it if we all pull together, limit the damage they can do through asset stripping and force them out as quickly as possible.
So don’t lose heart lads. Keep spreading the word… it’s working.
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 #334 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 8:38 am
Kenny, in fairness this deal was on the cards even before Rafa left
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 #335 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 9:01 am
See Rafa has come out in support of King Kenny getting the audacious task of leading us on
FS my brother in SA has ordered the Standard Corrupted top and apparnently its gonna sell like hotcakes through the LFC supporters club there – bring it on!
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 #336 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 9:36 am
Does it make the maths any different though Arthur g. posis?
Lets be fair then.
Benny Onion to the Chav’s £6 million.
Hicks, Gillette, Boughtman and PURSElow “What can we offer Rafa to leave? We can’t have the money coming out of our pocket!! Hey why don’t we use the £6 million from the Benny Onion sale?
Perfect!! Boughtman, Offer Rafa £6 million, see what he says.”
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 #337 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 9:37 am
sorry Arthur must remind myself to be fairer in future, not be so hard on our custodians. Sarcasm intended and meant.
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 #338 |
KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 9:37 am
I wonder if that was the final straw for Rafa even. The Benny sale.
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 #339 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 10:27 am
#335: As I said, a few of us are working on getting an education site up and running. It will go ahead. It’s just a matter of time. The shirts, and some other merchandise, will be on sale on there. It’s all none profit. Not one penny will go towards anything but running the projects on there, and other good causes, mainly the Hillsborough Justice Campaign.
There’s also going to be a magazine and dvds, hopefully both free, that will be sent out to all fan groups, forums and sites. Sadly, we have to do this to educate our own supporters/fans. Far too many are still burying their heads in the sand. And I hate to keep saying that, but it’s true and until we get enough of them to face up to the facts, things will just continue to get worse. But like I said, we are having results so don’t get disheartened. Just keep spreading the word.
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 #340 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 10:33 am
FFS, I always do that. Come in to post one thing, read the comments, answer something and end up forgetting what I came into say…
http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129499-liverpool-fc-banner-destroyed-by-fifa-in-world-cup-clampdown.html
Here’s what happened in the lad’s own words, cut and pasted. Don’t know about you, but it just makes me more determind to get the word out. Symapathetic journos (yes there is a few)have already been contacted. Anyway, here it is…
Quote
Well here goes:
I got into the stadium ok,through security and to my seat,I was sitting close to the pitch so I decided that the only place to put the banner is at the front and it would get great camera coverage.
I then displayed it there and approximately 10 minutes before kickoff I was approached by a security official who was parading all round the pitch and instructed me to remove the banner as no banners were allowed there,I did what I was told to and that was it.
I then took it upon myself to go to the second level of the stadium as soon the kickoff whistle sounded to hang up my banner with the rest of the team supporters ones there,so up the banner went,I chatted to a couple of people on that stand , relating to them the reason for us making and displaying the banner,many people didn’t know(amazing).
I then went back to my seat at the lower level and constantly gazed up to check on the banner,it was around the 27th minute of the game that I looked up and to my horror there were 3 security officials removing the banner from the rail,I immediately got up to proceed to the officers but as I stood up I was confronted by two officials and asked to the security office.
On my arrival there I was met by two other supervisors,both European and they showed me to a camera where they recorded me,they traced me from the time I got to the stadium till the time they called me,One of the superviser’s was a manc as I saw his keyring(f***ing p**ck)apparantly they saw the banner on live game footage and they had to remove it because FIFA’s rules state that no material bearing obscene or vulgar images are to displayed at their events,I pleaded my case then gave in after no joy and asked for the banner back so that I may keep it away.
They refused to return it to me and started lecturing me on football hooliganism and what charges they can lay against me and so on but the worst came when the manc bloke sliced the banner up with his stanley blade,I’ll never forget the grin he gave me whilst cutting it up,they went through my call list on my cellfone,recorded my ticket number and showed me on their pc all the games that I would be attending and how they will keep a close eye on me.
By the time I returned to my seat Germany scored their 4th so I took my stuff and my missus and little one who were terrified,not knowing what was going on and left,I was so pissed that I only stopped shaking when I got to P.m.b which is +-85 km’s away.
Quite an episode aint it?
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 #341 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 11:06 am
Just keep making more banners I say! – makes one’s blood boil though!
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 #342 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 12:08 pm
Agreed FS, the only way to educate is through awareness and spreading the word, of which it seems one and all on here are happy to do so
Any point of contact, through forums, web sites, media, point of sale material etc is the way forward and hopefully even the die hard Yank supporters will turn in our favour – when they truly understand what is going on
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 #343 |
rome77
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 1:16 pm
KDLFCL
Its called speculate to accumulate 6 mill to Rafa 6 mill back for Benny the Judas ( who i’d of valued at 12 mill at least).More profit will come when Masch goes for 30 mill.
But the biggest payout will be Torres which will turn the 6 mill into 100 mill.
Ask your self why Torres doesn’t feature in the launch of the new kit ? he’s our star player
FS When will the Standards Corrupted shirts be on sale.
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 #344 |
rome77
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 1:21 pm
PS
The lad who had his banner destroyed was lucky he wasn’t shot with rubber bullets and teargassed like the Stewards who had the cheek to ask for their wages.
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 #345 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 1:51 pm
You might as well be living in a communist country as going to a FIFA endorsed game. Absolutely pathetic.
Was watching live games in work on RTE website which you need an Irish ip address for. However, found this site if anyone wants to watch games:
http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/
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 #346 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 2:42 pm
Lads, me grandkids have been on holiday, so I haven’t seen them for over a week. They just got here so I’m taking them out for a few hours. But I’ll be back later and I’ll update you on shirts and all the educational stuff then.
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 #347 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 7:53 pm
Okay, here’s a few bits of info on what’s happening…
The websites up, but under construction…
http://www.savelfc.co.uk/
There’s nothing in there yet, but it will be running soon and chok full of good stuff.
The alternative kit/shirts has hit a bit of a snag. There’s trouble with manufacturers/suppliers. Don’t worry. It’s going to happen. The lad’s running it are just doing all they can to keep the costs down and make them available at a price most people can afford.
I’ve even contacted our very own Knight (where is he?) to look into this in Malaysia. And I’ve got a good friend from China who’s in the import/wholesale business and his family manufacture amongst other things, sporting goods, back in China. But there’s lots of people working on this and that’s the only reason… getting a decent quality product to our fans at a decent price – the price theiving football clubs should be charging.
This is making a few waves now. Just add the h..
ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/10332377.stm
We hope to have a lot more coverage for it shortly. Friendly journo’s covering the world cup have been contacted.
All the other initiatives are going along grandly, but we must keep educating as many reds as we can and encouraging them to take action.
Personally I think there’s no excuse whatsoever for doing nothing once you are aware of what’s going on. And there really is no excuse, no matter where in the world people are, there’s something they can do.
A blitz on buying The Sons Of Anfield is being organised, sort of like what got Rage Against the Machine to number one during all that X-idol-talent-factor-shite. I’ll get the date and time for anyone who wants to partake. But me point is, no matter how little or how big, there’s something that every single one of us can do.
Not that I’m nagging you lads, you’ve been great. I’m just making a point… the majority of our fans don’t even know all this is going on, and, even worse, there’s far to many aware ones who just can’t be arsed. Shameful but true.
Anyway, I’m off for the night now, going to watch this game, even though to be honest, the world cup just seems like a meaningless distraction now. Shame that. Another thing to blame H&G for. Normally I enjoy the World Cup.
What a goal be Forlan though, eh.
And have a look at SA’s right back… is that Sugar Ray Leonard in his youth or what?
Oh and lad’s don’t think things have slowed down. I’m still waiting on the next leg of the fight. I’ll post it asap. And there’s some great things going on that I can’t mention just yet. But as soon as I can, you’ll be the first to know.
We’re getting there lads. Just remember if you’re talking to other reds or in another forum/chat or blog, make people aware of what’s going on. Most are more than happy to get involved once they know what’s going on.
Later.
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 #348 |
McrRed
Posted on June 16, 2010 @ 8:32 pm
“Site under construction – which is more than can be said for the stadium”
Fuckin class
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 #349 |
Aitch
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 2:09 am
“Not that I’m nagging you lads,…”
see… even when you’re fighting G&H tooth and nail…. some of their tendency to bullshit actually rubs off on you
Just avin’ a larf FS.
Keep up the good and vital work.
You and your compatiots are doing a smashin job!
And I agree with McrRed
“Site under construction – which is more than can be said for the stadium”
Now THAT… is “typical fuckin scousers” my friends!
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 #350 |
Redscouse
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 3:35 am
I haven’t had a chance to post lately..My wife has had some serious health problems..
But I have tried to read the posts when I can.
F.S great to see you back in here mate.
I copied and printed off the letter and have sent it to all three, it takes a little longer from the States, but they will at least get them.
I also e-mailed it to everyone I know who loves Liverpool F.C.
F.S let me know what I can do from over here.
Cheers..It’s Our Club..and it takes us all pulling together.
On another subject..cracking goal by Forlan..I would love to see him in a ‘RED’ shirt next season..
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 #351 |
Aitch
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 5:31 am
Nah, there’s no chance Redscouse.
Forlan wouldn’t go back to Man United!
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 #352 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 7:50 am
Speaking of players going to the Scum, was anyone watching last night’s Spain defeat?
When Torres came on, the camera quickly panned on a piece of Scum carrying a large banner that said “Torres come to our Shithole”.
Seriously, fuck him, and fuck the TV people for deliberately showing him just to spite us.
Besides, what makes them think the Scum are even capable of buying him? Last I heard, their debt was 3 times that of Liverpool’s.
I instantly spouted profanities unimaginable in front of my folks who were watching the game as well, I could care less if I received cold stares for that.
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 #353 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 8:10 am
Now that was funny Aitch… I could nag a glass eye to sleep over this and often do.
The website’s going to be good. We’re just waiting for a few things to go ahead at the hosting thing. I don’t understand all that cack. I’m still waiting for the toast to pop up in me Betamax recorder. But I’m told it won’t be long.
And the main thing it’s getting done for is for lads like you…
I have been getting contacted by loads of people from all over the world who not only want to join the fight but drag others onboard. For instance, one lad from Norway is contacting all the supporters groups over there. I think two thirds of Norway supports LFC in one way or another. But he’s having the usual trouble… the uneducated and the Sky washed.
So, one of the first things we’re getting done is an official campaign dvd that hopefully we can send to all the fans groups for them to copy and distribute amongst their members. And that’s the key, getting people aware. So as I keep banging on about, if you think of anyone you can drag in, drag them in and tell them to do the same.
Redscouse… we’re getting things covered in the states. We have some good friends out there, ex-pats and Americans, and some very strong links in quite a few states. We still have the channels open from the Cohen thing, and things are getting done over there…. you’ll be in for a laugh soon. Things are moving, but like always same message… if you can drag anyone onboard get dragging.
Oh and it was a great goal by Forlan… thankfully, that great tactician and man-manager, the tramp down the east lancs rd, didn’t know how to use the lad or get the best out of him or we’d have him to face instead of Berbatov who’ll no doubt light up football again once he goes to a place where he’s used correctly again.
But to be honest, as I said, the world cup has become more or less an annoying side show to me. That’s a shame because I normally love it. H&G so much to answer for.
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 #354 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 8:12 am
Kinny, I saw that friggin banner and the Arse one, saying ‘Fabregas a Gunner forever’ or something to that effect…had me beer goggles on from midday, so can’t remember the exact words. Anyway, I found it strange as the CEO of Supersport (who I think are in charge of the footage etc) is a huge Liverpool fan. I should try & phone the fucker & tell him to get his guys looking out for the LFC flags – and there should be plenty at the games seeing that we are the biggest supported club with the Mancs, in SA.
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 #355 |
SonOfAKhan
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 9:03 am
FS, thanks for keeping us updated all the time. Really appreciate that. I have put lots of the updates in my blog and hopefully they reach out to someone who cares.
One of my neighbours is in the apparel business, t-shirt, etc. They have a factory in Vietnam and they export them all over the world including Dubai. If you like, FS, I could ask him to contact you.
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 #356 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 9:25 am
354 and 355…
See this is the great thing about being part of the big red family that’s fighting this fight.
I’d love that help on both fronts. There’s people on the case with the shirts. Even our own Knight from the blog has contacted me and is looking into a few things. But SOAK, that’s great and any help you can give is much appreciated. Thanks for helping to spread the word any help on the shirts would be great.
Same again Rafalution. If you can get word about this to the CEO of Supersport, that would be fantastic.
Thanks lads. This is what keeps the fight going. All the help is much appreciated and it all really helps the effort.
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 #357 |
SonOfAKhan
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 10:44 am
By the way, I am in Malaysia too. Maybe I should get in touch with Knight
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 #359 |
burgerman
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 11:01 am
Last season’s bad luck continues -Arse home is a rough start.
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 #360 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 12:22 pm
Bit rougher without a manager – but then there was no luck good or bad concerned there. It was all quite deliberate.
Right lads, just popped into say, fuck forgot what it was now. Silly distractions. Oh well, I’ll be back when I’m not tempted to get abusive.
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 #361 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 1:24 pm
Probably time for a new blog Gerry, since we have 12 lads running around in South Africa. Apparently the most of any English club. Gives me plenty of options when Australia is dead and buried.
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 #362 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 2:23 pm
just seen the opening fixtures – when it rains, it fucking pours.
Clearly the gods are not on our side – time for some witchdoctor mootie
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 #363 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 2:46 pm
Just got this from RBS after e-mailing them last week saying i was boycotting official merchandise, and anything to do with LFC sponsors and affiliates:
Thank you for contacting RBS concerning our ongoing relationship with Liverpool Football Club.
You will have seen the press release from Liverpool Football Club, announcing the appointment of a new, independent Chairman, Martin Broughton, and details of the formal sales process launched by the current owners, Thomas Hicks and George Gillett Jr. This process needs to be allowed sufficient time to maximise the chances of the Club being sold to ownership capable of realising its long term potential. However, we are confident that the Chairman and the Board will be mindful of the need to avoid any unnecessary delay in concluding a sale, as it is in no one’s interest to risk deterioration in the performance of the Club prior to it being sold.
Our common goal is the long-term success of Liverpool Football Club and the Bank’s primary objective is to ensure financial stability, so that the Club can continue to perform both on and off the football pitch.
There is little more I can add at this juncture, only to reiterate we are supportive of the steps that have been taken and we hope to have the opportunity to continue our financial support for the Club under its new ownership, once determined.
Thank you once again for taking the time and trouble to write to us. I appreciate that the Club’s finances have been a source of frustration for many supporters but it is in the interest of the fans, the Club and the Bank that we continue to support it through this process to ensure its longevity for all concerned.
Yours sincerely,
Roger Lowry
Head of Public Affairs
Royal Bank of Scotland Group
What a load bollox. Though at least somebody in there is concerned enough about us to put this together.
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 #364 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 3:29 pm
Artful mate, bollacks it may be but think about it mate… that’s the head of public affairs that has went out of his way to contact you.
It could well be a form letter and we could all start getting the same reply soon, but I’ve seen a few of these replies and I don’t think any two have been the same yet. So maybe they’re not, but the point is… it has registered. They all have. And that shows they’re getting through and they are getting taken seriously.
So, it might seem like small potatoes Artful mate. But from little acorns, mighty oaks and all that good stuff. So, don’t lose heart. As for meself, every time I see one of these it’s a little victory secured in the much bigger war. And like I keep harping on… enough of these little wins and we’ll get the big one.
Nice one mate. Well done.
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 #365 |
Redscouse
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 4:39 pm
Aitch.. that was Funny…but I still wouldn’t mind him in a Liverpool Red shirt..
F.S keep me informed on the US aspect. cheers.
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 #366 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 6:43 pm
With Rafa’s wrongful dismissal, I find that I could care less with the obviously rigged fixture calendar and I hope his successor good luck, be it Hodgson or Kenny.
Had Rafa still been around, we might at least scrape 2 draws at least if there’re no new players coming in. Now I don’t fucking care whether we lose the Arse and Man Shitty games.
In fact, perversely, I wish Rafa goes trail blazing with Inter at the beginning of the new Serie A season in contrast to “Yankerpool’s” disastrous start to the Premier League season. (Of course, the muppets will still find a way to say it’s Rafa’s fault for leaving behind a crap team. )
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 #367 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 8:47 pm
@FS Not losing heart mate. Just my initial reaction us im being fobbed off. But like you say, every little bit helps.
Funny enough i got an e-mail from adidas as well today. Wonder has there been some sort of conference call between RBS, adidas and any of LFC’s other official sponsors about the situation? They would have certainly seen an upsurge of these types of e-mails over the last couple of weeks. We may be having an impact.
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 #368 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 9:10 pm
Oh we’re having an impact mate. I can say that hand on heart with all sincerity because we know from sources we have that people are becoming rather worried about all this. The legal business is still going on in the background and with all this on top of it, well, you can safely say it’s starting to ruffle a few people.
I actually came into tell you, I’ve now seen 3 copies of that reply you got. So, obviously it’s gone to a form letter. I knew that would happen though.
If you fancy doing it, here’s what I recomend…
Answer it, addressed directly to Lowry. Tell him you don’t agree with anything he had to say at all. Tell him you see Martin Broughton as part of the problem, not the solution and so do the majority of the fans of LFC – thus the campaign against Mr. Broughton. You could send him a copy of the complaints letter against Broughton if you wanted.
Then I’d tell him that you – and hundreds of thousands of other Liverpool fans – do not see RBS’s continuing support of H&G as best for the club. In fact, we see it as blatant profiteering on the back of Liverpool’s plight.
In fact mate, I’ve got to go urgent, something just came up. But I’ll get back to you on this asap.
PS… did the answer from Addidas use the word “Concerned?”
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 #369 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 9:32 pm
FS,That looks like a form letter alright.Everyone i`ve been in contact with has got that letter.
But…form letter or not,we are being noticed here.As you said ground is been made.All the work being done on the shirts,the song,the website you and your mate are starting(great work btw)as well as all the letter and email campaigns will make a difference if we keep it up.
Today the fixtures came out.For the first time in my life i didn`t give it a second thought.I`m so sorry to say that but at the moment my total focus is on the fight and trying to get more on board.It`s sad times indeed when i can`t bring myself to talk with the lads about the fixtures or any potential new manager coming to LFC.I want nothing more than chat footy and argue and whatnot but those bastards are doing this you me and everyone of us LFC supporters involved in the fight.
I can`t wait for the day they go.To be able to chat,moan argue footy as much as possible.We must fight now more than ever to get it back,to get LFC back,get our passion for football back and i for one will not stop until they go.
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 #370 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 10:57 pm
Good man Timmy… You know what, I haven’t even looked at the fixture list. I’m more interested in if we are even going to be able to complete them all.
I can just see the naysayers now… oh here he goes. Fucking panic monger. But the fact is, the Premiere league must be panic mongers an all, or they wouldn’t have called in Broughton to assure them that LFC will be able to complete the season without going into administration… Yep. That’s how bad it got.
But there’s good things going on…
http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129541-liverpool-fc-owners-gillett-and-hicks-branded-asset-strippers-in-parliament.html
That’s a great development. And believe me, that has stemmed out of this pressure that we’re applying.
So Timmy, Art and anyone else who gets the answer from RBS… don’t stand for it.
Send a letter directly back to Roger Lowry and tell him what a crock of cack that is.
Tell him Broughton is a target of the campaign. That he is not trusted by LFC fans, list the reasons…
Supposed to be there one day a week to sell the club even against the wishes of H&G…
2 reasonable offers have been knocked back already.
Leaks to newspapers and Sky reporters on the sacking of Rafa and advising Torres to leave because LFC are going to be fucked for at least 3 years.
His Chelsea connections – his transfer of Benayoun to Chelsea for the same amount of money that he paid rafa off with – and against Rafas wishes that no senior players would leave and that he’d put a 10 mill price on Benayoun.
How’d he’d personally bought Rafa off against the wishes of the man himself and the wishes of the majority of LFC fans… And the fact that they bought him off in such haste that they even missed out on an offer for 6 million from Inter Milan who Rafa eventually joined anyway.
But more than anything, let him know in no uncertain terms that you and millions of other Liverpool fans charge RBS with blatant proffitering on the back of LFC’s misery.
In a nutshell…
Don’t be fobbed off. Let them know you’re not going to be fobbed off. Let them know you’re no a mug. Let them know you hold them just as responsible for Liverpool’s plight as H&G. Let them know you will continue to fight them and not give one more penny to H&G, RBS or any of LFC’s sponsors. And most importantly let them know you are part of a campaign, that is spreading through the multi-millions of LFC fans around the world, that will not stop until H&G are forced to sell the club to the first responsible buyers/owners at a reasonable market value.
They’ve slipped up big time here. It’s like the flag getting cut up at the match… they must have thought they was being pretty slick at the time, but this is going to turn round and bite them all on the arse.
Sorry for the rambling. It’s late and I’m knackered.
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 #371 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 17, 2010 @ 11:09 pm
Knackered meself. My missus is 9 months pregnant and i just let her got out the back to water the dying strawberry plants cause im on this thing. Better go out & help or my dinner will be mysteriously with the dog tomorrow. This is the response i got from adidas:
Dear Mr McCarthy
Thank you for your email regarding Liverpool Football Club.
We hope you can appreciate that adidas is unable to reply on an individual basis to enquiries of this nature. Our role is to ensure Liverpool Football Club, players and fans are kitted out with the very best football products and we wish the club every success.
We would however like to thank you for contacting adidas.
Yours sincerely
Lauren Cruse
Customer Care Manager
For and on behalf of adidas (UK) Limited
Will give them and RBS a measured response when i have some time to sit down and think about it.
Yeah timmy & FS…. strangely enough i havent even looked at the fixtures. Must be a first for me. Cant even bring myself to go on the official website. Makes me sick to the stomach to think of those two scumbags with their sticky little greedy fingers all over our club.
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 #373 |
knight
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 5:01 am
Have not been to this site for some time thinking it will be quiet. My word! It is so active I have not read them fully yet.
FS, on your post #273, not one LFC Fan here in Malaysia have a seasons’ ticket. There are a few LFC fans who register as LFC Members just to get the monthly newsletters and maybe subscribe to their Match Bulletins.
One thing though. The guy who runs LFC here talked to Ain Ayre about the proposal for our Malaysian Branch being set up here to look after the interest of the region. AA took up this idea and set up the Company himself. My friend was not pleased at all!
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 #374 |
knight
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 5:04 am
Donal, your wish came true! France got thrashed by Mexico 2-0! There is only a slim chance of France going thru now, with Uruguay topping the Group. Cheers, mate!
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 #375 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 7:07 am
I’ve managed to get my local fanclub to join the boycott movement until those two dicks are out, and my word, everyone joined at once and not a single one was against the idea.
Brings a tear to my eye in how united in solidarity us faithful lot can be, true to the club ethos “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, in contrast to those traitorous glory hunting cunts.
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 #376 |
ykleong
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 9:15 am
Any truth on King Kenny talking to Manuel Pellegrini for the gaffer’s job?
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 #377 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 1:10 pm
#375 Kinny that’s brilliant. I’ll try to arrange some dvds for your club. This is exactly what we need and it’s surprising how many want to help when they come to realise how bad things are.
Great stuff sir. I’m proud of you.
#373: Knight me old mate, that’s exactly what I was on about… the club are now hi-jacking fans groups/clubs and holding them to ransom. You watch, to stay affiliated with the club, ie to be an official fan club that qualifies for tickets and other things, you will all, yes every person, have to pay £10 sterling to become a member of the new scheme or all strings to the club will be cut.
That £10 is renewable every season, and without the club will lose official status. It’s bloody blackmail. And it’s a disgrace… life long, loyal fans all over the world are being held to ransom.
We have to stop this sort of thing or it’s just the tip of the iceberg.
When I mentioned season ticket holders mate, it was just because they are being treated in the same manner.
This is not the LFC me or you grew up with. This is not the LFC we fell in love with. It’s a monster with no interest in anybody except for what they can get from them. We have to take back our club.
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 #378 |
JackHill
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 9:14 pm
England 0-0 Algeria FT.
What a terrible game by the Toothless Lions!!!!
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 #379 |
rome77
Posted on June 18, 2010 @ 11:43 pm
Nail on the head Jack and as expected the boo boys were in full voice.It even drowned out them annoying horns.
Id of taken Heskey off and moved Gerrard up, brought J Cole on which might of helped A Cole get into the game aswell.
But even then if the players dont show some teeth and fight as a team what can you do.
I had a go with this new ball today, its rubbish it feels like one of those kids plastic 99p balls and it seems to ping of your foot so i think thats contributing to the overall poor performances of this WC
But what do i know.
YNWA
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 #380 |
Aitch
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 4:15 am
How about something like this, as a response to Adidas…
Attn:
Lauren Cruse
Customer Care Manager
For and on behalf of adidas (UK) Limited
Dear Lauren,
Thank you for your response. Its great that you wish LFC “every success” but I do wonder how Adidas thinks the club will achieve that “success” with the current owners at the helm.
Mounting debt, lack of investment in quality playing staff, (and the widely publicized figures are fantasy, with LFC’s actual net spend in the transfer market for the last 2 seasons below most mid-table clubs,) and now the somewhat dubious removal of one of most widely respected managers in club football, with no quality replacement lined up, are hardly a recipe for success.
To suggest that adidas’ role is “to ensure Liverpool Football Club, players and fans are kitted out with the very best football products,” is disingenuous at best.
Adidas may very well be a great and laudable company, but it does not supply LFC with kit out of the kindness of their hearts. They do so to be associated with a successful club. They do this in the hopes that that success, and the marquee names of that club’s success, will put the Adidas name front and center in the football media, which will in turn prompt an increase in shirt sales, and related product, to the public. (Let’s be honest, its a profit driven motive, and fans of Liverpool Football Club have no problem with that.)
But just how does LFC achieve success, and adidas achieve their sales goals, when the club is operating with a mounting debt and backbreaking interest payments, under temporary executives installed at the behest of absentee landlords, whose directives now appear to be the removal of a successful manager, and what is shaping up to be the fire sale of the very assets that will bring both the club and adidas that desired success.
Liverpool Football Club’s fans worldwide are waking up to the reality of the nightmare of the current owner’s tenure… the broken promises, the outright lies, and the underhanded business practices of the last 3 years.
We implore Adidas and all other companies who do business with the club to recognize that the current ownership is in direct effect NOT “achieving success” and has no achievable plan to do so, in spite of all their rhetoric to the contrary.
Adidas, by its association with the current owners is damaging its reputation, but by aligning itself with the club and its fans, adidas can not only enhance that reputation in world sport, they can effect a change that will allow for success to return to the club.
Sincerely
Your name here
Liverpool Fan
…or something like that…
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 #381 |
Aitch
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 4:42 am
…and here’s one for RBS…
Attn: Roger Lowry
Head of Public Affairs
Royal Bank of Scotland Group
Dear Mr. Lowry,
Thank you. I appreciate you responding to my recent communication regarding Liverpool Football Club and its association with RBS. However, I feel it is my duty to point out some not entirely accurate items in your response.
Just a few weeks ago, Martin Broughton gave an on camera interview with Claire Roarke of LFC.tv in which he stated quite categorically that the club had no intention of firing Rafael Benitez and that he was confident he would be manager next season.
Fast forward a few weeks and news reports, despite the veil of “mutual consent” statements, indicate that Mr. Benitez’s departure from the club was in fact Martin Broughton’s decision.
In that same interview, Mr. Broughton stated quite clearly and again, categorically that the club had no intention to sell (specifically) Steven Gerrard or Fernando Torres.
Yet only one week later, he is quoted as having said (off the record) that Torres future “lay elsewhere” and he be “better off if he left the club” or words to that effect.
Hardly the words and actions of someone whose charge is to “maximize the chances of the Club being sold to ownership capable of realizing its long term potential,” nor of someone who is trying to avoid “risk deterioration in the performance of the Club prior to it being sold.”
You state regarding RBS that, “Our common goal is the long-term success of Liverpool Football Club and the Bank’s primary objective is to ensure financial stability, so that the Club can continue to perform both on and off the football pitch.” But that is not entirely true is it?
In fact “the Bank’s primary objective” is (as is any bank’s) to make a profit on loans it makes. That doesn’t happen if and when the loan is repaid, it happens when the loan is not repaid, and every day an interest payment is made to the bank.
So it is actually in RBS’ best interests if this whole “process” gets drawn out… at a rate of 110,000 pounds, in interest, per day.
The interests of the bank are being served by the “longevity” of this “process”.
The interests of the club are not being served by the current ownership, nor its temporary executives.
The interests of the fans are not being served by RBS continuing to allow for extensions to the loans.
You’ve made your interest… now how about acting in ours?
Sincerely
Your name here
Liverpool Fan
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 #382 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 10:04 am
That’s the Aitch I know… well in lad. Great stuff.
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 #384 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 11:17 am
What an absolute crying shame this is…
I (interviewer) – First of all, how are you… because you are not just changing teams, you are changing your entire life. It’s not the same for those who change teams every season, you’ve been there for five years!
RB (Rafa) – Yes… it’s true. After six years… to change countries, cultures… it’s quite something, it’s a challenge but we hope to do OK.
I – And your daughters, Montse, what are they saying? What did they say when you came home and said ‘pack your bags, we’re leaving’?
RB – Well… initially there were tears but little by little we’ve taken it all in. We still have the love and gratitude of the people of Liverpool so, sometimes, this still makes us shed a few tears but slowly, slowly… they are mentally preparing themselves to leave.
I – The love and fondness of those people… you are not going to be able to forget it easily. I’ve heard that when you got home from holidays you found scarves tied to your fence that signified the supporters’ respect and admiration.
RB – Yes, a couple of scarves and many, many letters on top of all the things that have been written on forums, etc. Many, many letters, very emotive letters because people are thanking us for Istanbul, for the FA Cup final, for the victory at the Bernabeu, at San Siro, at Old Trafford and for having placed Liverpool back where it belongs, to have given it back its prestige in Europe and recognition.
I – And now… now that time has passed and you’ve had time to think, was this due or is this a premature departure?
RB – I really wanted to improve a few things at Liverpool but it can’t be and you just have to consider yourself lucky because you’ve got a job
I – It might be really painful to see that, whoever comes and replaces you, gets given everything you haven’t been given. These things happen very often in football.
RB – Experience in football teaches you that you always have to look forward. You are, of course, left with that feeling of leaving something behind but, granted, the challenge is to look forward, to a very important team that has won many titles this season and to try to keep that winning mentality going.
It then moves on to talk, very briefly, about Inter but the interviewer, near the end, says:
I – Are you going to buy any LFC players?
RB – It isn’t my role to buy at Inter, there’s another person who takes care of that. On arrival I was told that there are already 3/4 things done. I wish Liverpool all the best but I have to concentrate on Inter, can’t use up any energy on things I can’t influence.
I – We spoke to Pepe Reina the night your departure was confirmed and he was absolutely devastated, broken.
RB – Pepe is fantastic, a crack on and off the pitch. We have a very good relationship, I brought him here (LFC) and the truth is that he was a great keeper and has become an even better keeper with the experience gained at Liverpool, working with Xavi Valero and for him, of course, it is hard to lose the people he was close to. We’ve spoken and he’s told me he hopes Xavi stays because he is very happy with him but, under normal circumstances and all going well, Xavi will come with me.
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I have a picture of Rafa in his new Inter shirt. I wish I could post it in here. It’s just so wrong it might even pain some people’s concscience… if they had one.
To think treacherous arseholes and fools done for this man of integrity and honour… well, it doesn’t even bare thinking about.
But if you don’t want to be seeing pictures of Nando, Pepe, Gerrard and the rest in strange alien shirts, well…
Here’s another response to RBS from a lad on another forum. I think between Aitch and him just about every point is hit and hammered home.
I spreading the two responses around other sites and forums as examples of what should be said to bastards who want to con and placate us with Martin fuckin Boughtman while they suck the life out of our club. Fuck that. Here you go…
Dear RBS,
I am writing to you having read the circular email you are sending out. It does not wash. An examination of the most recent accounts of LFC show that RBS did not formally take enforcement action on those dates when the loan was renewable and chose, instead, to agree new loan periods (on terms more favourable to RBS). You were under no legal obligation to agree to such extensions. On the contrary, if you had not agreed to such extensions, the KFH group would be in default, and you would have various rights to take enforcement action .
These facts show that you are complicit in the disastrous regime of Hicks and Gillett at England’s most decorated and treasured football club. While supported by the British tax payer you are helping to destroy a famous British institution. And you are doing so for gain.
I will no longer give you or any of your subsidiaries any of my business and I will not hesitate to tell all of my contacts, friends and family that they should avoid you, too.
Yours sincerely,
etc
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And on that note, I’m going to get well an truly pissed and have a laugh with a few mates. I haven’t had a bevvy for over a month. So… called a few mates, the barby, the juke box, an the spliffs are all fired up. And the cans are freezing cold. And after seeing Rafa in that Inter shirt, a break is well and truly needed… forgive them lord for they know not what they’ve done.
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 #385 |
Sambo
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 1:59 pm
sorry to talk about actual football for a tick in the face of all the shit happening off the pitch (sterling work in your rages against the machine by the way lads), but watching england’s cack-footed shambolic attempts at football this morning (nz time) got me thinking about lfc’s new season.
assuming that our new manager is allowed to keep revenue generated from sales (and i’m aware there are rumours to the contrary), i reckon it might be a good idea to sell masch, tell stevie he’s our new holding mid-fielder (like it or not) and use the money from the masch sale to buy a new forward.
i reckon this’ll work because…
a) masch seems pretty keen to leave anyway
b) the argies look set for a good run so his value will probably go up.
c) this way we get to keep hold of gerrard and torres and still get a few a quid to spend on the forward we obviously need.
d) stevie has looked shite in the hole all season and frankly i’ve always thought his best position was tackling in front of the defense and spraying passes around anyway. i reckon it was a mistake to try and turn him into a forward. yeah, he scores some amazing goals, and yeah he linked well with torres for a few games, but still, we’re not getting the best out of him up there.
his range of passing means we might actually play some incisive football rather than last season’s game after game of watching lucas and masch make absolutely nothing happen, create nothing, pass the ball sideways, and make no headway past even bottom of the league defenses. i want to see gerrard collecting the ball from defense, looking up and having quality players in front of him to feed. i’m sick of watching him sulking around the final third and blaming everyone else for everything.
it’s just an observation. england’s inability to create anything whatsoever was an all-too-familiar sight for us reds fans this year, and a deep-lying gerrard could solve all our problems. hopefully aquaman will find his boots and play in front of him. lucas can act as cover.
wadaya reckon?
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 #386 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 4:20 pm
I reckon you should TAKE COVER!!!
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 #387 |
Aitch
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 6:52 pm
No need to duck-n-cover Sambo, you’re idea/theory isn’t entirely out in left field (like some of Digger’s were last season )
…But… you are a bit off the mark on a few things…
1. Selling Masch, and any subsequent possible sale or not of Torres and SG, are totally unrelated.
We could just as easily be without all 3, or 2 of them as just the 1, and then your theory goes right out the window.
2. I agree, SG is a far better midfielder than hole-player… I’ve always said that, even during the season SG and FT were so devastating together.
His strength is running from deep, rather than playing with his back to goal.
He also needs to be involved for 90 minutes, and can become peripheral to events when played in the hole.
(compare his performance in a central pairing in England’s 1st game, to his performance as a left mid who wandered continuously and aimlessly out of position in the 2nd.)
But to suggest that “a deep-lying Gerrard could solve all our problems”?
…oh dear… a deep-lying Gerrard might solve one or two of our problems, but it certainly won’t solve all of them.
Pellegrini, if rumors are true, just might be the one chance we have to continue all Rafa’s good work…
…but much will depend on how the ownership and finance situation unfolds over the next 2 months…
…and what players he is left with…
…as oppose to what players he’ll be allowed to bring in.
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 #389 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 8:25 pm
Yeah, I’m straight outta left field….like a fox!!
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 #390 |
Sambo
Posted on June 19, 2010 @ 10:40 pm
yeah, when i said “all our problems”, i meant england’s and liverpool’s, not all of lfc’s problems which obviously run a lot deeper than simply selling one player and moving another one.
i reckon the new manager, with his limited resources should consider changing a few roles and i’d start with gerrard, that’s all i’m saying. if stevie can re-invent himself as a holding player it’d be great for england as well.
all this is based on the massive assumption that we’ll be holding onto him, which i realise is by no means assured. this is all hypothetical, but i can’t help my mind from wandering to next season’s starting line-up and formation.
digger, i see you more as an urban fox who comes straight outta left-overs!
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 #391 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 20, 2010 @ 12:55 am
Lol! A fox nonetheless!
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 #392 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 20, 2010 @ 4:51 pm
Oh dear.
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 #393 |
Aitch
Posted on June 20, 2010 @ 6:38 pm
Fair enough Sambo.
As you say, this is all very hypothetical… given we just have no idea what our team is gonna look like in August, or how the club will be structured…
…we are about as far from a simple managerial change stiuation as we can get…
… he said confidently ignoring just how much further we could stray in the next 2 months…
…personally, at this point… I can’t let my mind wander to next season’s starting line-up and formation.
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 #394 |
Sambo
Posted on June 20, 2010 @ 11:25 pm
Fatty, i take it from that “oh dear” that you disapprove of my thinking about next season’s team at a time when the foundations of the club are crumbling. thought you might.
sod it. i’ve sent my letter to John Hourican
at RBS, i’ve been spreading the word and doing all i can out here in NZ. just because i don’t proudly post it in here every time i send an email and seek a pat on the head from ‘your greatness’…
i know how grim things are looking. i was just allowing myself a moment’s whimsyical pondering. perhaps you should should send an “oh dear” to paul tomkins as well for daring to ponder the prospects of Pellegrini as the helm when he should be slitting his wrists and staring into the abyss.
cheers aitch! appreciate the civility.
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 #395 |
rome77
Posted on June 20, 2010 @ 11:30 pm
Speaking of fox’s my dog got hold of one the other day, unfortunately when i pulled him off it’s ear came with it.
Now there’s a fox running around with 1 ear.
And before anyone points out fox-hunting as been banned, i have told him but the little f*cker doesn’t listen. ¦ )
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 #396 |
rome77
Posted on June 20, 2010 @ 11:44 pm
Sambo i’m sure Digger thinks “oh dear” is aimed at him too.
PS I have a theory Gerry will release his next intriguing blog when we reach 400 comments
So come on people lets make it happen ¦ )
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 #397 |
axchoice
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 2:13 am
Sambo,
I think (1) Broughtman is trying to complete the transfer of Torres to his beloved Chelsea, and (2) the yanks may be interested in pocketing the transfer $$ from Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano etc.
There’s no one to stop them from selling our best players now.
So I’d prefer to wait and see who’s left in LFC after August before discussing who should play in what role. We no longer can hold so many assumptions that you’ve stated in your earlier posts.
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 #398 |
Aitch
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 2:35 am
Sambo, you might want to ease up on the itchy trigger finger lad.
That “oh dear” was almost certainly directed at Digger.
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 #399 |
Aitch
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 2:35 am
one to go
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 #400 |
Aitch
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 2:36 am
…over to you Ged…
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 #401 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 3:19 am
Come on Aitch…..Fatty dismiss a bit of witty repartee between 2 posters with petty condescension? Never! Surely you must be thinking of another Fatty?….
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 #402 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 3:25 am
Heh heh! ‘…thinking of another Fatty…’ Sorry Aitch! May have done you an injustice there! Dont worry, we know you’re not a chubby chaser as Halle will testify!
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 #403 |
SonOfAKhan
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 3:50 am
I really hope FS doesn’t go on another sabbatical as he has been a great source of information, if not the greatest, in here and and in rallying towards what needs to be done.
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 #404 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 7:40 am
Well lets hope we can soon start talking about football again and quickly. 4th of July thing coming together well. Can’t be there but there in spirit.
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Still bouncing from one rumoured sale to another, wonder if the latest one has legs. Hopefully it does for SE’s sake. Anyway nice to here Jovanovic still want’s to come. Nice to here Kuyt wanting SG to stay.
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Lets hope the managers spot it sorted out soon. Anyway onwards and upwards.
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 #405 |
Sambo
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 9:48 am
didn’t mean to have an undue go at the big fella. just felt like lightening the mood with a bit of football talk and knew fatty would take it to mean “this bloke’s got no idea what’s going on at the club”. reading back i probably read too much into an “oh dear”.
don’t worry SOAK, i’m sure he’s just slumped over a jukebox surrounded by empty cans, with a roach hanging off his bottom lip and the gnawed remains of a sheep’s carcass at his feet. he’ll be back. i agree with you, he’s done a fine job of rallying.
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 #406 |
Sambo
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 10:01 am
by the way, everyone here in nz has gone ‘all whites’ crazy! to be honest i didn’t give them much of a chance having only needed to beat the likes of the mighty solomon islands to qualify for the finals, but they’ve got the same points tally as england so far, so my face is covered with kiwi egg (which are huge – and extremely rare). not bad for a country with only 25 professional footballers!
thank fuck they don’t do a haka before each game. the basketball team (‘the tall blacks’ – i shit you not) did hakas before every game in the world champs and the other teams didn’t have a clue what was going on!
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 #407 |
burgerman
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 11:07 am
How about Capeelo for Anfield?.His club cv is impeccible.Nice goal from Jovanovic V the Germans.Scores from midfield were a rare sight last season.
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 #408 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 12:44 pm
Sambo lad, look at the comments… do you really need to question why I said “Oh dear?”
FFS… BM suggesting Cappello for the job because of his record, and without a fuckin hint of irony, after it was the likes of him and John Terry that got Rafa the sack!
Actually, there’s no need for irony or sarcasm in here mate… the place is dripping with it – most of the time unintenionally.
But the fact is, I’ve made it plain time and time again what I think of you lads. How often do I have to thank you all?
The oh dear, was aimed at one person only. So, while we’re at it, let’s have it out straight…
There’s 2 people in here who I can’t stand…
Digger and BM.
Actually, I get quite a laugh out of BM. His little words of wisdom probably rally more people than all my tub thumping ever could.
But the Digger fella, oh dear indeed.
But let’s get it right… I don’t even dislike the lad personally. For me to do that, he would have to register personally. And the plain fact is, he means nothing to me… He’s just a sign of the times. A symbol of this generation… A 30 odd year old Irish Man who talks like a teenaged Californian valley girl, and makes even less sense… oh dear, indeed.
Now if that doesn’t make it clear, My Bad… and I will have to dissappear from here again, because I have too much respect for Gerry and this blog to bring it down to this level…. and, let’s get it straight, that’s why I disappeared last time.
If I’d have stayed, I would have got personally abusive. And out of respect to all of you, yes, all of you, I didn’t want to bring it down to this level.
I’m from a different generation mate… A generation that stood together against all comers. I believe in the sort of socialism that Shankly believed in. But sadly, that world of working class solidarity has virtually dissapeared. And we now live in a world where 30 odd year old Irish men talk like valley girls, and John Terry is the father of the year. And pointing fingers and treacherous betrail is the done thing.
I accept that I’m a bit of a dinosaur. I know I really don’t fit in this world. But you know what… I don’t really want to.
I’m comfortable with meself. I can look meself, my comrades, my kids and my grankids in the face, and think, Well at least you tried lad.
As for leverage buyout captialists, backstabbers, traitorous valley girls and fools, you can keep em as far as I’m concerened.
But there’s still a few of us believers left, and hopefully we’ll win, and then we can get back to just talking about football
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 #409 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 1:18 pm
Sambo, the tall blacks. I’ve heard it all now!
Anyway, I don’t want to come across as a cock (again) but to be honest I don’t really want to talk about footballl and who we get as manager or who we buy (LOL) for that matter, until the cancer is removed.
I am not sure if it was posted in here (sorry if it has been) but the best parallel I can draw is that, for me, LFC is like a family member who has Alzheimers – you still love them but they are not the same person after the disease has taken control.
I understand what you mean by trying to lighten the atmosphere but that’s the way things are at the moment and what’s the point in sweeping things under the carpet.
The problem/cancer is the Yanks and, sad/depresssing reading it maybe, but IMHO that is where we should all be focusing our energy.
Again, I am not having a dig, just stating the obvious and backing up a few things that some of us have been spouting for the last 18 months or so.
Basically, this is not the same club I have supported for nigh-on 30 years and I will do almost anything to get it back.
Yanks Out!
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 #410 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 1:56 pm
Good man. Right, now that you’ve established all that (again), maybe you’ll finally deliver on this ‘respect’ you claim to have for the blog and cease and desist from the rather unbecoming (for a 50-something) playground act of pathetic childish asides and attempts at insults after my posts? Really, whats the point? Are you that juvenile? Just do what I do with you: Ignore my comments. If I dont register, prove it. The blog will be a better place for it. We’ll see….
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 #411 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
Oh dear
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 #412 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 3:50 pm
Right now let’s get to it… you as a person aren’t of any consequence whatsoever. Unfortunately though, taken as society in general… Margret Thatcher, Ronnie Reegan etc, you have won… It’s your time. You have taken over from us. Fair play big man, you won. So let’s have some more words of wisdom.
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 #413 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 3:56 pm
You related to Margaret Thatcher Digger?
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 #414 |
rome77
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 4:07 pm
Thatcher’s a c*nt and when it dies i’m throwing a street party. ¦ )
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 #415 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 4:38 pm
Well actually Arthur, now the cat’s out the bag, let’s have it proper straight… you’re from the same clan an all.
Take the piss all you want lad, but I stand by what I said… this is just a syptom of our age. Thatcher have beat the miners back in the 80′s, but it’s rearing it’s head now… across the whole of bloody society.
We now live in a world, where men of deceny, integrity and loyalty are done for by shithouses on a keyboard or a phone.
And if you agree with them, fair play… just stop the pretence and have the bollacks to join them. You’re kidding no one lad.
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 #416 |
Aitch
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
oh dear!
…or maybe… a slow exasperated under the breath Higgins “oh… my… god…”
(that’s Magnum P.I. for the kiddies )
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 #417 |
McrRed
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 5:06 pm
magnum? that’s a moustachioed detective from the 80s (for the kiddies)
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 #418 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
During me uni days, one of me mates girlfriend was nicknamed Magnum due to her moustache. Still makes me laugh
A great/awful show, a bit like Qunicey MD.
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 #419 |
Aitch
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 6:36 pm
“one of me mates girlfriend was nicknamed Magnum due to her moustache”
That’s fuckin harsh!
…but better than “due to her prolific use of the condom brand with other blokes” though I guess?
as for the TV show…
…come on Lurg… Magnum was Fuckin Awesome?
The guy lived in Hawaii…
…Rent Free…
…in the Guest House on a Billionaire’s Estate…
…AND got to drive a New Ferrari.
…His mates gave him free access to an Exclusive Members Only Club…
… AND free Helicopter rides around the Islands
…AND pretty much ANY sensitive/confidential Naval Intelligence he needed to solve his cases…
…AND he pretty much always got the girl!
“a bit like Quincy M.D.” are you fuckin kidding me?
The bloke was a crusty old coroner who sliced dead people open for a living!
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 #420 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 7:28 pm
Sambo, actually I was kind of disappointed that the All Whites don’t perform the Haka. I was actually looking forward to them doing it before their amazing deserved draw with Italy.
Anyway, happen to catch this report by Bloomberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-21/liverpool-sale-needs-time-to-get-best-deal-royal-bank-of-scotland-says.html
It looks like your hard work of rallying the people to bombard RBS’s mailbox is working, FS, these bastards are forced to respond personally now. Keep up the pressure mate.
I know the Spain game just started, but it’s 2am here and I’ve stayed awake just to see Dogbreath get beaten by Brazil last night, so I’m gonna call it a day.
Chile’s win means Spain’s been given a second chance, and if they fail to beat Honduras, then they deserve to go out. At least it’ll mean we’ll have Pepe back early (and maybe Torres should he manage to stay with us after all this).
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 #421 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 21, 2010 @ 10:29 pm
Instead of sayin avaricious, he said bloody greedy. And he never cheated anyone of anything…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5-V75v-6I
Thankfully, there’s a few of us left.
Night night.
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 #422 |
pshenava
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 5:42 am
Anyone following the circus which is England and France at the World Cup. I think these players are better off in a career of politics than playing football.
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 #423 |
Sambo
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 6:42 am
alright lurgan. fair kop. i’ll save my regular ramblings about re-shaping the midfield until we know for sure we’ve still got one to reshape.
what i will say on the battle to remove the ulser / cancer / weeping sore / throbbing pustule (G&H) from our club is that i don’t really care for the “Yanks Out” clarion call. What difference does it make what country they come from? for me it cheapens the revolt against them and makes it sound like some kind of mindless anti-american yobbery, when it’s obviously nothing of the sort. i reckon “Cunts Out” has a far better ring to it anyway!
Fatty, whatever your feelings towards digger, arthur, bm, myself, or anyone, i don’t really see what that’s got to do with socialism, thatcherism, or corporate greed. as a socialist myself, digger has never said anything that offends my political sensitivities or at any point come across as phone-whelding corporate desk-jockey. i know he winds you up with his sarcasm, and i know you’re as wound up as i am with the way investment bankers are fucking everyone over, but i don’t really see the connection. i think you’re needlessly lumping all your enemies onto one donkey.
aitch, if your going to adopt the air of higgins i hope you’re clad in a dressing gown and doing tai chi on the lawn. it’s not the same coming from a man with an electric guitar.
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 #424 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 9:55 am
FS – I know you love this club and are a genuine Scouser (I, as some might feel am just blow-in from Dublin, albeit one who has followed LFC for 20+ years now) but regardless of this I think you have no monoply on following this club just cos you’re older than me or Digger or whoever!
Your Lazarus-like revival has been most welcome and you have informed the group here about many upcoming initiatives that us LFC fans can get behind over the last week or so. I have written my letters to RBS and the Premier League/F.A. – I have joined Share Liverpool – I agree with many of your points.
But as far your little swipe at me – well I don’t get it. I was trying to introduce a little humour to proceedings but you clearly didn’t see it that way and somehow, deep down I know you think that becuse I didn’t bow down at the altar of Rafa, I’m less of a fan than you are – nonsense!
Remember FS – age doesn’t necessarily bring wisdom my good man! You have no idea of my political leanings (me growing up in Ireland in the 70′s and 80s – you should have a fair idea of what I think of Thatcher), in fact you don’t know much about me at all, other than the fact I had the audacity to question Rafa decisions last season.
But as I said before to others on here – Rafa wasn’t ousted by disgruntled bloggers, “You’re on Sky Sports” callers, 606 listeners or Kop Blog members. Rafa was removed by the dark powers that control LFC at the moment. I’m getting bored of repeating myself
Rafa was a good man – and perhaps was treated harshly – but his style of play and certain managerial decisions that he made, ensured that not all fans were as convinced of his greatnesss as some folks on here believe. But show me ANY CLUB and you’ll get the same thing. It’s called a “difference of opinion” -it’s healthy, it creates debate, banter – it’s what fans do. It does not mean they are less intelligent or loyal and to suggest that is an insult
I look forward to debating with you FS (and anyone else) in a sensible manner, in the near future
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 #425 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 11:16 am
I agree with Sambo when he says “Yanks Out” is not a good message. It just comes across as anti American. Where Gillett and Hicks are from doesn’t really matter. “Cunts out” sounds good but is a little bit vulgar and won’t get taken seriously
I must say I am proud of the initiatives going on to get rid of our board members. I’ve sent letters to RBS and Adidas and Standard’s Chartered. I think the alternative kit idea is fantastic and is something we really need to get off the ground.
The bickering of grown men on this blog though is fucking tiresome.
This world cup seems to be warming up now. England have been a shambles and the African sides have been disappointing. Spain looked good last night. Brazil look to have what it takes to go all the way. Brazil v Argentina final would be awesome.
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 #426 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 11:32 am
What is it you don’t get Arthur…
Near 4 years ago I started warning people about these “Business men.” I was one of the few who heard alarm bells the minute H&G opened their mouth’s. I’m not trying to be some wise old sage here. I don’t even enjoy saying I told you so, but the fact is… I did.
Why did I know these two couldn’t be trusted… because I had lived in America and actually worked on a very personal level for people just like these two.
Sadly, when the likes of meself – yes old fellers with a bit of knowledge – tried to give the warning call, it was ignored. And you know who it was ignored by…. the next generation, the me not us generation, who wanted our own Abrahmovich so much they didn’t give a toss what warning noises were made.
Now in this world were live, you may think the 606ers and Blog slaggers never got Rafa the sack, but why?
The bloody chairmen himself has just addmitted as much. And if that’s not clear enough for you, I don’t know what more you need.
The fact is, these people created the atmosphere in which Rafa could be sacked. End of. And if you want to debate that point, do it with someone else because I haven’t got time for it.
And Arthur if you don’t think this a sign of the times, have a wee look at the Shankly link I put in. We live in a world of greed and instant gratification where nobody wants to admit their own failings when it’s so much easier to point fingers.
This won’t stop with the sacking of Rafa. It’s not even that that bothers me now. I’m happy for Rafa. He’s better off out of it. And the circus won’t stop.
Switch the name Benitez for Cappello and it’s raging on. Father of the year, Ingurlunds Brave John Terry, has seen to that and they’re queing up to agree with him.
Would that have happened in Shankly’s day? Would men like Tommy Smith be stabbing Shanks in the back? Would them aul fellas singing on the Kop in black and white be leaving 15 minutes early so they could get on the phone and twist the knife?
Would they fuck, and you know they wouldn’t.
The fact is, the digger’s of this world provided the bullets for Bought-man to fire. Why?
I still don’t know. That’s why I’ve gave up on them. There’s no teaching these people. There’s no debating them. The proof was there for all to see. But no. Nothing would deter them and they still aren’t satisfied after driving the only man with our interests at heart out.
And make no mistake, that’s what we’ve lost. Nevermind shite draws at Wolves because other spoilt bastards deemed it below them to perform. If we don’t drive these two parasites out, and out soon, we’ll soon be looking back at last season as the good old days.
I remember talking to Keith in here about football the business. We were talking about how the whole thing could collapse like a house of cards. We were both accused of scare mongering as I always have been. I tried and tried to get through to people. I was just accused of being a Rafatollah and using scare tactics to get people to agree… do you know how demeaning that is.
Well, like I said, the results of Thatcher beating the miners union is the world we’ve got today were dodgy businessmen and their deals have wrecked the world’s economy nevermind our football club. And while the old fellers tried and tried the youngsters just gave them two fingers and carried on regardless.
Do they feel shamed by what they’ve done?
Do they fuck cos they don’t even realise what they’ve done and how they’ve been played like bloody pianos… divide and conquer. It’s nothing new.
I’ll leave this with a little story, I went to the Portsmouth away game this season. I felt ashamed when I left. In front of me, about three rows away, there was a gang of young fellas. Probably about 8 to 10 of them, aged from early 20′s to about their early 30′s. They thought it was hilarious to join in with the Pompey fans singing sacked in the mornin to Rafa.
I wasn’t having that, but when I shouted at them to pack it in, they just turned round and started shouting at me… Shut up you aul cunt. And so on.
Well the aul kunt was over the seats and would have laid into them if it wasn’t for a few other old fellers who stopped me. And after a the other old fellers stood up for me, the young lads just walked out the ground shouting more obscenitites.
Well, if that was the only people left to fight for, I wouldn’t be doing any of this. But there are still decent loyal people who follow this club and know what it’s about. It’s them the fight’s for, not the digger’s of this world. In fact, they really should go support Chelsea, they’re much more suited to one another.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 11:57 am
Bit of a bizarre rant there FS for the following reasons:
1) You may have forewarned people in here 4 years ago about the dangers of H&G (I only joined here last season) but what exactly could the vast majority of fans ACTUALLY DO ABOUT IT? Unfortunately your lone voice was never going to be enough to stop that deal going through. Surely this was the job of the Premier League/ English government to see if H&G were “fit and proper” to be owners. Of course we have seen that the FA has failed miserably on this count with many clubs, not just our own. So you may have been highly dubious of these two new owners – but lets say everyone in here supported ya – what could they have done??? Nothing
2) “Would this go on in Shankly’s day” – huge flawed argument here. Football has moved on – yes possibly it’s a more cynical, greedier world. But that’s life FS – times change, people change, football changes. Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, ENRON, Hicks and Gillett these are events that are bigger than a single fan. You may not like the world we’re living in – but there ya go – it certainly isn’t mine or Digger’s fault
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burgerman
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 12:03 pm
Thatcher saved the UK from becoming a third world nation.The unions destroyed Britain in the seventies.The Labour party only represents people with cushy Govt jobs.Parry deserves all of the blame for what has gone wrong @ the club.
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artful_dodger74
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 12:28 pm
What a great video that is you posted FS. Absolutely brilliant. Sends shivers down my spine. What a man Shanks was. Makes you sad though when you see a man of such caliber, strength, loyalty and all of those things that LFC once stood for and look at where we are now. Its depressing if you think of it too much.
Sadly lads, what is going on at LFC is just a microcosm of what is happening all over the world. It’s a microcosm of society in general. Everybody wants everything yesterday. Microwave meals, fucking drive-in McDonalds and flat pack houses. People dont want to put the hard work in to get the rewards these days. That’s the world we live in.
“Cunts Out”!!!
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 12:29 pm
#428 I think that proves me point.
And as I said Arthur, there was a few of us who tried we got told to FO. Easy as.
Could we have stopped it?
No. Moores seen to that.
But we could have opposed it. But as late as the beginning of last season Rafa had to fight H&G tooth and nail for 1.5 million to sign Kyriagos. What was the screams… Rafa’s bought shite again. Not a bloody word about had actually happened.
And if you don’t see a thread that runs through all this Arthur, then yeah. It was just a rant with no point.
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SA Kopite
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 1:21 pm
Lads, we all have valid commetns to make and I know we are all in agreement re the grusome twosome and clearly as a new person who posts i dont have the full history on previous comments or disagreements but lads, surely we have bigger fish to fry right now and all attnetion and focus should be on the battle and our victory against H&G rather than against each other!
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 1:42 pm
Not to go back and forth with you FS on this but when you say “we could have opposed it” (H&G’s purchase of the club) sorry, but again what difference would that have made? Man Utd fans were “opposed” to the Glazer’s taking over – what did it achieve? Nothing.
Sorry to be so pesimistic FS – but I don’t think you’re being very pragmatic. LFC went around, flashing it’s knickers looking for invesment from suitors all over the world. Moores and Parry were responsible for this – we placed our faith in their judgement. They let us down.
Vocal or even violent opppostion at that stage by a collection of fans would have had minimal effect. The sale was agreed. We played owner roulette and unlike City or Chelsea, we lost. Thankfully our current owners seem intent on selling so perhaps when we twirl the bullets again, perhaps we wont get shot in the face!
Comparing these times with the bye-gone, black and white nostalgia of the Shankly era is meaningless and counter productive.
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rome77
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 1:48 pm
BM
The world as indeed changed as i never thought i’d hear a Liverpool fan say Thatcher saved the UK
By 3rd world country do you mean no jobs no homes sub standard healthservice & education OAPs freezing to death in winter and the homeless starving to death on the streets ?
Or in other words Thatcher’s Britain.
Have you thought about supporting Chelsea their philosophy is much more in line with your own or is it just attention you seek?
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rome77
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 2:14 pm
Arthur
The fact it’s becoming meaningless amongst our own fans says a lot about why the clubs in the state it is.
But i cant see how its counter productive to remind fans of the philosophy which brought success to our club, in fact i’d say its essential.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 2:42 pm
Rome77 – I disagree. We are in this sitution because clubs can no longer adhere to that those old fashioned cherised ideals of Shankly & Paisley to be successful in the 21st century.
Those methods simply do not work in MODERN football. What do you think Shankly would make of tv deals with Asian countries, expanding the global brand of LFC, launching websites, bringing in new and various revenue streams via advertising and shirt sponsorship??? He probably wouldn’t care less for them. And his day – you didn’t have to. Sure we didn’t even have shirt sponsors back then!
Lads – you can’t succeed in football these days based on the principals of yesterday. You HAVE to have lots money. That was why we needed investment in the first place. Arsenal, Man Utd, Blackburn and Chelsea had all overtaken us by the mid 90′s – our board at the time knew that if we wanted to compete again we needed a cash boost. I think we all agreeded with them
I’m not saying that I agree or like the fact that one needs an Abramovich or a Sheik to succeed – but that’s the way things seem to have gone. You want to win the league (or even challenge) you need money. And not just Moores money or Jack Walker but mega bucks.
We all have to live in the here and now Rome – pining for the past will just make us lament what we have lost. We have to hope for a brighter future – when we finally get newer and hopefully more responsbile owners
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 2:43 pm
Not at all Arthur. It’s what made us what we was. It’s what’s missing today. You seem to forget something, I go trawling the net with pretty much all of my free time drumming up support. You wouldn’t believe the level of apathy that still exists.
And the fact, is from when H&G rode into town making ridiculous promises and garrishly waving dollars in the air, there was a small section of our support that tried to blow the warning bugle.
We were laughed at and called stupid old bastards who were living in the past. And still there’s people who don’t believe… In fact, read your own post.
Why are you saying Hick’s is going to sell? He’s quite content the way things are. And now with Rafa gone, he can instill more yes men like Ayer, Broughton and Purslow. He can continue raising season ticket prices, and charging fans 30 pound per head per season even to qualify for a ticket. He can continue to break up the local seating sections on the Kop and sell the tickets through over priced schemes to tourists, such as through the currnet Thomas Cook scheme. And he can continue to collect interest on the debt he piled onto the club….
And they’re just what he’s done since outsting Rafa.
But he made them intentions clear when he first set foot in the place when he was bold enough to come out with his “Brand Loyalty” speech.
And only last week he allowed Texas Rangers to go bankrupt… saying it doesn’t matter because he will make more money than he ever has by selling Liverpool.
So, let’s see… the world’s economy is up the wazzer thanks to H&G and their ilk. Yet he try’s to placate everyone by saying he’ll sell as if he’s doing the honourable thing. Well where’s that sort of money going to come from?
800 million asking price then the debt and the new stadium – he’s talking over a billion quid. I don’t think there’s many people with that sort of money to toss away on a mid-table Premiere league club – if were lucky enough to stay mid-table.
RBS are quite content for this to roll along. You can see that from the statement they sent to us. And if they had wanted to put an end to this, then they would have done what they said they was going to do…
have Broughton accept one of the two reasonable offers that came in – and over the heads of H&G if necessary.
Make no mistake, if this isn’t forcibly stopped by us, it will go on and on until there’s nothing left to fight for. But even if we got them out yesterday, there’s still major damage inflicted that will take us years to get over.
And the only reason I am having this disscussion is because I am waiting for information I need to take this to the next level. Next stage is the politicians and once I’ve recieved what I need, I’ll back to doing what I’ve done for weeks… giving people the ammuntion they need and doing my best to encourage as many of them as possible to fire them.
We are fighting a man who has done this to every company and sports team he’s owned. Except for telling us his intentions to do exactly this, he has never spoke a word of truth. He’s already charged us 50 million quid for a few drawings that kids knock up on photoshop in their spare time.
And that’s just Hick’s. I honestly don’t even know what the other little bastard is up to. But I suspect he’s even worse than Hicks. Fatty just gets the stick because he’s the mouthy one. And what are the majority of our fans doing… well, have a trawl around the net yourself. And when you see all the really important conversations going on – such as why did we sell Risse, and how patriotic are LFC fans, you might start to understand why I have this opinion.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 2:46 pm
Don’t be daft Arthur. If we still had men of integrity like Smith and Robinson in the boardroom we wouldn’t be in this bloody mess. It was exactly that sort of short term type of thinking by Parry the bean counter that got us in this mess.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 3:03 pm
You’re a stubborn man FS – fair play to ya – look I’ll finish it (from my side) by just saying that I hope G&H are removed as quickly as possible – you can think whatever you want about me
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 3:45 pm
We ever had a 500 comments for a single posting?
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 4:07 pm
Arthur, if I thought you was a complete div, I wouldn’t waste my time talking to you. As for my stubborness, what would you think of me if I just caved in?
More importantly, what would I think of myself… not a lot.
I honestly don’t like going on like this. I’d much prefer to be talking about the coming season and things like transfers and games I’m going to go. And I know other people would much prefer that. They’ve been telling me to stop scare mongering practically since H&G first came in.
So believe me, I don’t want to keep saying I told you so or going over it all again. How anyone can have any sort of trust in them or think it’s all going to turn out okay, is truly beyond me.
I suppose that’s just people’s decency coming through, and they just can’t grasp how truly bad this pair are.
Look at people saying we shouldn’t say Yanks Out.
I understand that actually. I know some really good reds out in America and I stay in touch with them. To be honest, they’re a bit thick skinned to be offended by that, but I can see people’s reasoning on this.
But then you look at what these 2 men are doing, and you think what chance have we got against evil men like this when people are worried about being un-pc.
And make no mistake, they are evil. That’s the only word to describe them really. They will never do the decent thing… sell the club as soon as possible to reasponsible owners at a fair market value. That whole concept is beyond their reasoning. They will do what comes perfectly naturally to them – gouge every single penny they can out of this and only leave when it’s more profitable than staying is.
All the protests in the world won’t sway them. Marches, letters, anti-kits, songs, if they even notice them all they’ll do is laugh. They don’t care. And as much as I hate to say that, it’s the truth.
So how can we get shot of them. Well, we hit them where it’s not their decision.
I’d like to see a full boycott of all matches and merchandise, but it’s never going to happen.
And that, mock this or not, is because of the world we live in nowadays. If this was happening 30 to 40 years ago, people would have voted with their wallets and feet by not spending any money and not going. And those who went against them would have just been picketed. And yes, violently if needed.
But we still need to combat them some way. And that’s why I’m waiting on this information to go after them through the politicians. We’ve drove a wedge in by having a go at the RBS. We must keep that up. Not that I believe any city investment banker is going to do the right thing, but they can be forced into action. And the way to do that is to keep putting pressure on them ourselves, but by also forcing the relevant politicians into pressing them also.
And I can’t say too much about that right now, but that is the next thing we’ll have to do. Because if we don’t, and we just idily wait for things to turn out okay or some oligarch to come to our rescue, we are trully doomed…. and you can believe me on that. It’s not just some scare mongering. It’s fact.
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sachem
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 5:25 pm
Oh God, BM continues to amaze me with his comments. He’s posted some shockingly daft drivel before, but I believe he crashed right into the bottom with that Thatcher assessment. I’m sure Augusto Pinochet would agree with him though, if he were still alive.
Interesting debate between Arthur and FS on here. In my opinion, FS talks a lot of sense and I tend to agree with most of what he says. It would be too easy to dismiss his reasoning as that of a nostalgic old supporter bemoaning things are no longer what they used to be. To adhere entirely to conformism and just accept that “times change” without further ado is surely the road to destruction. When things change for the worse, which unfortunately is often the case, I think it is our duty as human beings (and in our case, supporters) to protest and try to bring back the good things that are being or have been lost. FS is not saying everything was better in the Shankly days. The game is evolving and many respects and the surrounding aspects aswell.
But don’t kid yourselves, the general mentality of Liverpool supporters have most certainly gone worse since Shankly, and I think it’s vital that people like FS put such effort into preserving the old good values. So that Liverpool can remain Liverpool and the greatness which that entails. At the moment both Liverpool FC and a too large amount of its supporters are heading in the wrong direction and we should all follow the example of FS and try to prevent that.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 6:12 pm
Thank you Sachem. But the fact is, I’m not really some wise old man. I’m just not daft enough to not know when I’m getting conned. And we still are. And if we don’t stop it somehow, we are without doubt doomed.
I remember about 2 seasons ago, I came in here and posted the story of Leeds. I was told I was going over the top and just scare mongering. I found that pretty insulting to be honest, but I was more bothered by the fact that a huge section of LFC’s support was being taken in so easily.
Thankfully that’s stopped. But I still can’t believe how many people are thinking this is all going to turn out okay.
We are already in a bigger mess than Leeds, and the parellels are frightening. O’Leary was sacked when he refused to sanction the selling of players. He was replaced by Terry Venables and then Peter Reid in quick succession.
Well, here’s history repeating itself. Rafa was bought off. The player sales/asset stripping can start in earnest. And we’ll be fobbed off with today’s Venables – Hodgson.
Even the people who wanted Rafa out, are coming to admit it was the complete opposite of what we needed at this time and was done for one simple reason… Rafa had to be removed.
We are in seriously deep schtuck. It’s bad enough without scare mongering. If I wanted to just frighten people, I could go on about all our top players being sold. I could go on about administration, points deductions, being unable to complete our fixtures, pay our wages and bank ruptcy.
I’m not and I haven’t for one simple reason… the situation is bad enough. There’s no need to over state it.
In fact, I don’t have to really say anything. People criticise Moores for not Googling Hicks and Corinthians but then say it’s going to be alright despite all the evidence showing us it won’t.
The best we can hope for is a forced sale to decent owners at a fair market value. And that’s about it. That’s about as good as it gets. After that it is all the things that I haven’t been going on about, because I don’t think it’s right to over state the case. I’d prefer people to fight because they know it’s right, not because of the bogey man under the bed.
But having said that, when I’m going round the net I still see people talking about signing the likes of Villa, or how we should have got Mourhino before he went to Real. Madness.
And I’ll stop going on about it now. People either understand or don’t and if they don’t by now, they probably never will.
What I’d really like to be posting is the next phase of the fight. I’m waiting on that but as soon as I can, I’ll have it in here. Like I said, I can’t disclose too much at the moment. But the thing is, we have millions of fans. Some of them are very professional people in high places. I’m waiting on something from such a person right now. If we go about this the right way, with the right ammo and targets, we can force a sale to decent owners at a realistic price and there will be nothing H&G can do to stop it.
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somnath07in
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 6:27 pm
I agree FS.
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itslfc4me
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 8:08 pm
It is a most depressing time. I can’t remember the last time I was not looking throughout the summer for whho we were going to buy……not this year. we aren’t even interested in getting free signings.
I backed Rafa to the end, and I also had many discussions with people about what would happen if he went…don’t get me wroing I think he made a lot of bad decisions last year but the way he was treated by the owners, the media and worst of all our fans was atrocious!
I haven’t posted on here for a very long time but feel i just have to give FS my full backing with nearly everything he says. Just let me know what is required for the next phase of the fight.
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Aitch
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 8:16 pm
Stand to.. and prepare for a long-un…
Rest assured that WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
There have been several articles in the media about the email/letter campaign. There’s the Bloomberg article Kinny posted in #420 and there was an article in the Echo today.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news//tm_headline=royal-bank-of-scotland-turn-up-the-heat-on-liverpool-fc-owners%26method=full%26objectid=26697601%26siteid=100252-name_page.html
The headline reads: “Royal Bank of Scotland turn up the heat on Liverpool FC owners”
… yet there is in fact, absolutely nothing in the article that does actually suggest that RBS is doing anything…
… in truth it is just a short article wrapped around their email response to the letter campaign.
But at least it is media coverage of the situation… and RBS won’t do anything unless it gets a lot more coverage.
Look forget all the smoke and mirrors lads. Businessmen love to make simple things look complicated.
It creates an isolated world where the money that is out there can only be had by a few instead of by everyone.
But basic business is really rather simple and our current situation really comes down to a simple maths equation.
G&H have put NONE of their own money into the club.
They purchased the club with a loan from RBS.
They then refinanced that loan for a larger amount.
They used the club as collateral.
They have siphoned off money during their tenure.
RBS does NOT make money when the club is sold or the loan is paid off.
They make money when the loan IS NOT paid off… …every day it isn’t paid off.
£110,000 per day, every day the loan IS NOT paid off.
That’s £110,000 per day, every day the loan IS NOT paid off.
One more time… £110,000 per day, EVERY DAY the loan IS NOT paid off.
A quick sale therefore, in spite of their claims, is NOT in RBS’s interest.
£800 million is a joke, and NOT realistic.
But The Yanks know this!
(by the way most American Reds I know call them the Yanks too, so it isn’t a derogatory word towards all Americans! Its called “context” people.)
Contrary to popular myth, G&H are NOT stupid, idiots, morons, etc.
G&H know £800 million is a joke, and NOT realistic.
They KNOW this!
Its smoke and mirrors bullshit so people are talking about that and not the REAL figures of debt involved, and the nature/structure of that debt.
£800 million is the starting price for negotiations so they don’t get low-balled.
“I’ll give you 5 quid for your bike.”
“Nah I want 15.”
“Alright I’ll give you 7”
“Make it 12”
10 quid and that’s my final offer”
“Deal!”
G&H will be looking to clear as close to £500 million as they can (since the debt is actually closer to £461 and NOT the continually ill-reported £271m)
They’ll make a few bob on the sale, at that price, but like RBS, G&H are MAKING THEIR MONEY EVERY DAY the club is NOT sold…
… by virtue of a loan made to the club, by their parent holding company Kop Cayman.
The longer the “sale process” drags on, the more money G&H make, and the more time G&H have to siphon more money off the club.
So it is also NOT in their interest either to effect a quick sale.
Martin Broughton is a Temp.
He’s probably getting paid by the week, or month, with a bonus on completion of task…
meaning he makes more money if the sale process takes LONGER… not if it happens quicker!
Purslow is a G&H appointment (and also possibly on a temp contract if some reports are correct,) but either way… there is a very good likelihood that any New Owner would want their own man at the helm.
So it isn’t in his immediate interest to see a quick sale.
The players… well… simply put… the players will be plying their trade… on lucrative contracts … somewhere… regardless of how all this falls out.
That just leaves US…
…the Fans.
The ONLY one’s whose interest IS promoted by a quick sale.
So that is a really long-winded way of saying…
… anything we can do to put pressure on RBS to effect a quick sale…
… should be done.
“But why would they sell quick, if as you say, they are making money every day the club is NOT sold?” I hear you say. “Why would they listen to us?”
Well, as their “press release” indicates, they wouldn’t… coz there is no negative effect on them as a financial institution if we complain, then take their fob-off explanation, and then do fuck all.
BUT… if we continue to put pressure on them, we can perhaps affect their bottom line.
Government run they may be, but they are a business, and a business is about the bottom line.
If RBS senses they can continue the current arrangement unaffected, they will do so.
If however, they stand to lose money elsewhere (via people pulling their accounts) or suddenly find themselves the target of a negative media, or even being publicly painted with the same brush as G&H, then that can affect their bottom line (perhaps other businesses pulling their affiliations with them?)
THAT is the only way we can make a difference.
And THAT is how we could have made a difference when G&H took over.
But the simple facts are… we all wanted a sugar Daddy.
Nobody (well very few,) were accepting of the status quo and there was a clamor among the fanbase for a sale to new owners.
Hell… at one point, we didn’t even care that some fucker with a list of human rights violations pending against him was the go-to-guy!
The Yanks were largely welcomed with open arms…
… and no one wanted to know about Corinthians and such…
… and that information was raised, but largely… near completely… ignored.
Remember when the Klinssman rumors surfaced?
The fans marched en-masse?
There was a public outcry and better than 75% of the fanbase vocally supported Rafa.
THAT is why G&H backed down.
It is the only reason.
It was simply easier and more cost-effective for the expedition to continue through the jungle with the thorn in their side, than remove it and risk the lions smelling blood!
Arthur you say, fans couldn’t have done anything about G&H taking over…
… but had 75% of the fanbase marched on Anfield in opposition of G&H, as they did over Klinssman…
…it would have created an atmosphere where two thoughts, just might have, sprung to the front of the mind…
The first in the addled brains of G&H…
“Fuck this. These fuckers aren’t passionate, they’re mental. This shit is more trouble than its worth.”
The second in Moores and Parry’s pea-sized-brains…
“Fuck this, let’s go with DIC, or we might not get out of town alive.”
But the fanbase welcomed G&H, in spite of the “franchise” and the “global brand” and the “brand loyalty” slip-o-the-lips.
We heard what we wanted to hear “custodians of the club” and “spade in the ground” …
…as we were looking over our shoulders at the Chavs and Scum disappearing over the horizon…
… and, either not noticing, or completely ignoring, the pale skin, the blood stained shirt, or the slight stench of death, we said “we don’t give a fuck who you are and we don’t require a background check, just come on in.” and invited the Vampires into the house.
When G&H ousted him, 50% of the fanbase had grown anti-Rafa…
… but that 50% (aided and abetted by a very anti-Rafa media,) made its voice heard as though it were 75%.
That 50% almost completely ignored the circumstances of the last 5 years and certainly the circumstances of the last year.
There was a building frustration… And it provided the atmosphere in which G&H could do, what they’d been wanting to do, since the day they took over.
Fire the Mexican help!
It was what they’d been waiting for…
…that is why FS takes the position that those in the vociferous anti-Rafa camp are complicit…
… and I’m sorry if you were in that camp, but whatever your reasons for being there, you were in some measure complicit, because of the simple failure to understand that being pro-Rafa, (for the last 6 months,) really meant being pro-LFC and Anti-Owners.
(and by that I mean strictly having the forethought to be anti-current-predicament.)
…but that atmosphere was created…
… and it released G&H from the only shackles that held them from doing what they wanted…
… and make no mistake…
… one of Purslow and Broughton’s primary objective’s was “find a way to get rid of him.”
… it remains to be seen where that leaves us all…
… but our actions or inactions…
… our Unity… or lack thereof…
…… WILL play a part…
…… how big a part?
… well, that’s up to US. Each of US. ALL of US!
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 #448 |
Dizzy
Posted on June 22, 2010 @ 10:37 pm
Trying to gear up for imminent appointment of Roy “YesMan” Hodgson …..
Yet another low for our club …
Another step backwards!!
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rome77
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 1:09 am
Arthur I’m fully aware money buys you titles, but with those old fashioned ( 2005 ) values you can punch above your weight.
Liverpool need the fans,players and the management ( the holy trinity ) all pulling in the same direction and if you dont have that then you need MONEY.
So bearing in mind we have no money it could only be a good thing to educate this and the next generation of players and fans what is expected of them and what they can achieve.
Istanbul was down to the holy trinity it wasn’t just Rafa’s tactics and the team it was also the fans. And it certainly wasnt money.
Two games at Anfield where booing the players took place. W ham & Fulham both 0-0.
Money may of brought better players for those games but better supporters could have made up for the shortfall. It might even of won us the Prem.
The people who booed no doubt blamed Rafa for not winning the Prem while dismissing the money factor and their own actions.
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pshenava
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 6:46 am
Good one Aitch
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 8:51 am
Morning lads, well there it is in a nutshell really… A quick sale is in no one’s interests but ours.
That’s why 2 decent offers have already been turned down without a second thought. In fact, turned down and only came to light because of a leak to the media. God only knows how many legitimate offers have been made, and even less know why this story has appeared once and been buried.
But anyway, that’s were we stand at the moment. Still, we do have options though. We go to the politicians next and force them to pressure H&G and RBS. In fact, if we can exert enough pressure on them they might just press Marting Broughton to do what he was hired to do… sell the club, quick as, to decent responsible owners at a fair price, and even above the heads of H&G if necessary.
And that’s the way to go. That’s what all this has been building up to. And like the rest of you, I want to get that going. It’s really the only important thing on the agenda. Arguing about the past won’t get us anywhere neither will thinking it’s all coming to a head and probably going to turn out all right. Like Aitch just said, it’s down to us now.
And like I said, that’s all I want to do right now, but I don’t know what’s happening. The source I have that is helping me with this next phase has been in touch and promised to get this rolling asap. And that’s about all I can say about it. I’ve been onto the person and gave a slight nudge. But you can’t get too pushy. There’s 2 people who’ve took big personal risks already by giving me bullets to fire. So all I can do is respect them for that and be grateful for the help. If it doesn’t come through in the next few days, I’ve got the info needed. I’ve got the targets. If worse comes to the worse, I’ll get someone else to write it all up and be ready to launch it Monday morning. As I said, I don’t want to push away a geat source, but I think it’s essential that we keep this going and get people to strike while the iron is hot.
And I’ve probably even said too much there, but I just wanted you all to know, this is far from over. We haven’t shot all our bullets yet. And no one’s giving in… far from it. There are plenty of other things going on right now. Some in the background behind closed doors and some bang up in your face.
In fact, the fights going to get pretty personal soon and there’s battles being planned in Hick’s own backyard. Remember Steve Cohen… well, we friends in America. They’re gearing up. The kit will be launched soon. The March is only a couple of weeks away. The letters and emails are still going out.
I said in a previous post H&G dont give a toss about any of that. And they don’t. They’ve got very thick hides. But it all chips away. It all worries other people. And there’s more I could go on about but the one thing I want to say, I don’t have yet. But don’t worry, one way or another, we’ll get it done and take it up a notch.
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KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 8:56 am
Top class FS & Aitch.
Arthur – I know what you mean about the old values but I firmly believe that Rafa with the £30 million Moores could provide each year and with the money player sales brought in could have and would have won the league. Now we’ll never know. Smith & Robinson were not archaic they were sharp business men who knew their stuff, they were also men of integrity and honour. They were responsible for the steal of the century when KK left for Hamburg, we got a better player for less money than what we sold KK for.
Burgerman – Have you ever been to Liverpool? By your comment I would bet my house on the answer being no. In the time of Thatcher there was mass unemployment. What do I mean when I say mass unemployement? Try 25%. Go to Liverpool and there are still areas affected my friend. Liverpool was hung out to dry. The result? The world and it’s friend and every man and his dog think people from Liverpool are fair game for any insult they want. Whingers, self pitying, thieving, mean you name it we’re called it. Hicks and Gillett 20 years ago would have defo picked on the wrong city. Now? Well possibly the only city in the world they shouldn’t take on. We view it as personal and anyone taking on one of our own is in trouble.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 9:08 am
where you getting your 75% and 50% figures from Aitch?
So essentially because I had the nerve to question our manager’s tactics, style of play, transfer decisions, I am complicit in his departure and potential ruin of our club!!????? NONSENSE
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 9:31 am
Sambo, I was just stating my stance and not what you should/ should not be writing about. Supposedly, it’s a free world but I am starting to wonder about that and all.
I take your point about the ‘Yanks Out’ but as Aitch says (great post BTW) even our American LFC supporters are using the same thing. Probably Hicks and Gillette Out is more PC though.
On a general note of what could we have done, probably quite a lot more in hindsight. However, we are where we are and if people still cannot see the perilous state that we are in, then I am not sure if they will ever see.
For those who do, just remember the quote ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing’. So keep banging the drum and get more people to do the same thing.
Hicks and Gillette Out!
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KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 9:44 am
Arthur I think your missing the point. That a big section of the fans were moaning complaining whinging about the team when it was much deeper than that and not as simple, as well as the attitude towards H&G, Rafa, etc has all contributed. I think your hiding your head in the sand mate.
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Redgasman
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 10:32 am
As they say – you can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink. Long live the good fight. YNWA
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 10:42 am
Irrespective of the mistakes made last season, if the fans had backed Rafa, we would now have a man in charge. We’d also have a man in charge who we could trust. And that is the important thing here.
What we face now, is a board made up of 5 men who don’t have a clue about football. Broughton, probably as a life long season holder ticket at Chelsea, maybe has a little more knowledge than the other 4. But fact is, as addmitted by himself, Broughton sacked Rafa because he was emblodened by the media witch hunt of the man. And if the fans hadn’t been so happy to aid and abbett the media in what was no more than a decitful campaign of character assination, he wouldn’t have dared to have done the dirty deed.
That is why the Rafa bashers are too blame. There’s no denying the fact, that they played their part. How much you Arthur, or anyone else who helped create the witch hunt, accepts personal responsibility, is a matter for the individuals conscience. But having learnt what I have over the last 12 months, I’d say there is none of them going to lose any sleep over what they did.
Had the club even had a clue as to who was coming in it mightn’t have been so bad. But even now, after all the time has past, we’re still no closer to even having a name, nevermind a boss.
Had Rafa had not been forced out, he would now be working towards a solution and preparing for the season. As it stands, we have no one, we haven’t a clue what’s going on, let alone what’s likely to happen, and the only real hope we have is that Dalglish will do his best to ensure H&G will hire a man with the club’s best interests at heart instead of someone who will just do as they’re told.
From all I know about H&G, I know where my money would go on that question.
If Rafa had stayed I think he would have forced some sort of comprimise. After last season’s transfer funds were snatched away at the last minute after being promised to him, I doubt he would make any mistakes on transfers. In fact, what I think would have happened is, Gerrard would have left to Real and Rafa would have got that money and anything else he raised on sales.
With Jovanovic tied up for the left wing and second striker roles, the money raised would have been spent on the two positions were we’d still be light… left back and striker.
With 30 to 40 million to cover that, I think we would have went into the season with a couple of quality additions and every reason to be confident of having a decent season.
Now the way things stand… well, it just depends on how low you want to go. It’s easy enough to paint a picture of complete doom and gloom… at least Mascherano, Gerrard and Yossi leaving with no money being made available to replace them. And, let’s face it, that sort of scenario isn’t too hard to imagine. Or we might get in someone decent who will do the best they can to limit the damage.
To be honest, I haven’t given that much thought as I think there’s much more important matters to attend to.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 10:51 am
I am well aware of our problems Kenny – no hiding from me. My core point is that we (the people who were unsure if Rafa was the best man for the job) are not responsible for:
a) his dismissal
b) somehow giving H&G the mandate to fire Rafa
Let me ask you this – lets say Rafa wasn’t fired. What influence would/did he have over H&G? We still wouldn’t have any money, we’d still have the potential problem that some players no longer want to play for him. It’s not as if Rafa’s presence was going to force H&G into anything they didn’t want to do.
I just don’t buy the whole “Rafa was our only hope” argument. Why? How does anyone know that next season would be any better than last? H&G could have kept delaying the sale of LFC with Rafa on board. There’s no real evidence of Rafa being this last bastion of good against the dark forces. In my view Rafa was as impotent as the rest of us. He had to dance to tune of H&G – just like Ferguson does as Man U and as Mourinho did under Abramovich
show me facts people – not just speculation and blind devotion
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:05 am
You’re absolutely deluded FS
You consistently last season failed to acknowledge that despite our lack of funds and terrible owners, that Rafa had to take responsibility for any of the following:
a) Rafa’s folly in alienating Alonso during the summer of 2008 in chasing the far inferior Barry which ultimately caused Xabi to leave last season
b) to use the €30m on buying an injured player Aquilani (who he barely used when fit)when all and sundry knew that we were so short of a back up striker. Our midfield options were far greater
c)Not qualifying from a CL group containing an extermely average Fiorentina and Lyon. In the defeat to Fiorenina we had Torres and Gerrard fit, just to counter any “ooh but we had injuries” defence
d) Not qualifying for the CL for next season. Given the spine of Reina, Carragher, Macherano, Gerrard (I’ll leave Torres out even though he did play quite a number of games)and the overall squad in general we should have been able to finish in the top 4. I’m not saying even challenge for the title.
e) Blindly persisting with Lucas/Macherano midfield when Rafa could have easlily used Gerrard, Aquilani, Benayoun, Pacheco at various times throughout the season. Too many defeats, too manty draws
These are 5 – non ownership reasons why LFC struggled last season. And why I think we could well have struggled all over again next season. There may not be anything wrong with some fresh thinking FS – perhaps you should try it?
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KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:08 am
ok Arthur shows us the facts that we’re better off without Rafa.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:16 am
Blind speculation Arthur… sorry lad, but the only blindness being exhibited here now is by yourself.
You ask for facts, you are given them. You say it’s just blind devotion.
You said I was stubborn, but the fact is Arthur you are just being obstinate now.
I don’t expect you to hold your hands up and go all contricious. No body is out to make you into some sort of martyr or scapegoat.
But the fact is, Rafa was our one hope inside the boardroom and you know that. Rafa never “danced to their tune.” He fought them tooth and nail. He won every battle but ultimately lost the war. And that has left us up shit creek without a paddle and no one to even use it if we had one.
You say you don’t buy the Rafa was our only hope line. Okay fair enough. So what’s the option then?
Where do we go from here? Who do we get in? How do you think they will fare under H&G? Do you even think they will get the veto over player sales like Rafa had forced? Will they be able to stop the sales of Mascherano and Johnson… who both want to go to Inter and play for that woeful coach who had lost the dressing room? Will they even be able to stop the sales of players who don’t want to go?
Well, like I said in me last post, I’m not here to paint a worse case scenario. That would be scare mongering. But as someone who has watched this all unfold over nearly four years, and has done a bit of reading on the past track record of H&G, I do think I’m in a decent position to have an educated guess as to what is going to happen.
And that guess would be based on what happened at all the other franchises these 2 business men have owned. It’s not a cheery thought.
And that’s why I prefer to concentrate on the one glimmer of hope we have… forcing the government, to force a state owned bank, into doing the right thing. And if we fail at that, then I won’t have to paint worse case scenarios, you’ll be able to watch it unfold, as all the senior players leave, and the club is slowly drained over the next 3 to 4 disastorous years like Boughtman has already let slip.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:22 am
Now you’re just getting abusive… Deluded? Me deluded? Oh dear, if there’s anyone acting in a deluded manner here it’s not me.
I’ve done my best not to get abusive. In fact, I’ve done my best to keep us all on the same mission – except for a couple of people who I’d prefer to not even have on my side.
But you know lad, are talking out of your arse. And I’m not even going to bother mine countering your deluded argument. If coming out with all that shite in some makes you feel justified in your stance, I hope it eases your conscience. But as for meself, I’m not going to bother going over nonsense like that.
Like I said, Fools and traitors. I really need say no more. I’ve got better things to do with my time.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:26 am
I don’t see how calling you deluded is abusive FS. Anyway, you’re not gonna back down and neither am I. We’ll leave it at that, shall we?
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:29 am
Oh and a bit of hope for the lads who can see the wood for the trees…
I was told a week ago, that Rafa wasn’t selling his house in the Wirral. And that Montse and the kids were staying on there while Rafa worked in Italy. The kid’s were staying in the same school and Rafa was going to commute as much as often.
I thought it was just one of them me nan’s sister does Rafa’s cleaner’s hair and she said, type of rummours. But this is now confirmed by Rafa himself. He hasn’t even left Liverpool yet. And I believe he was walking round town all day yesterday, doing a bit of shopping and hapilly talking to the fans… he refused to talk about the club or slag anyone off.
I’m not saying he’ll be back. In fact, I’m not sure I’d want him back. It seldom works. But at least the community hasn’t lost some really decent people.
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:38 am
30 million euros for Aquaman Arthur? Why not add another 10 million to make your argument look even better?
http://www.asroma.it/UserFiles/988.pdf
To be honest I hope you’re right about Rafa leaving having no real impact on LFC as a club but I am pretty sure that you’re wrong.
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Arthur G. Posis
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:46 am
Time will tell Lurgan won’t it?
And I meant to say he used the funds of Alonso to buy Aquilani – I know that he didn’t cost that much
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Lurgankop
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:51 am
but he didn’t get the funds from the Alsono sale Arthur!
Anyway, as you said, time will tell and I hope to Fowler that you’re right and I’m left sitting looking like an idiot.
In the meantime let’s keep up the pressure on RBS.
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rome77
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 12:54 pm
Arthur
Have you heard of the Dunning Kruger effect ?
You talk about deluded but then go on to spout the usual media fed BS and the sad thing is you probably think it was your own original thoughts that led you to “your” conclusion’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
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KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 1:01 pm
Arthur – I don’t think anyone denies Rafa made some mistakes last year err even Rafa himself admitted that and all things being equal the club on stable footing – if Rafa had a bad start to this season maybe first 10 games – we’d all be having a debate about whether he should stay or go.
But to say he should have bought a striker instead Aquilani well that was a gamble and it didn’t pay off but he thought if you remember rightly we’d have money for a striker, remember the quotes pre season?
Those that say and he bought a right back – please oh please don’t make us rehash all that when we know Arbeloa was off and Glenda was funded by money Portsmouth owed us. Arthur the last 3 transfer windows have a net spend of precisely -£2.5 million.
Now if you think that is the way to mount a title winning challenge that’s fine but I refer you to your earlier comments when you said you need money nowadays to win. the phrase that springs to my mind is cake/want/eat it.
I cannot see on any level how Rafa going and us having no manger in place and having no idea who will manage us can leave us stronger or just as strong or make no difference at all. I am trying, I’m not being stubborn or obstinate but I just can’t fathom it. I really can’t. all i can see is Liverpool going worse and worse.
I also can’t work out why if Rafa is a poor manager why Inter have snapped him up.
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van-leffo
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 1:18 pm
Just to change the subject slightly, I received this text yesterday, call me naïve but it sounds kosher:
Just had a call from a ‘reliable source’ that Liverpool have been sold to the Adu Dhubi group for 550 million. Not to be announced until 15th July. Hicks and Gillette to make 50 million profit each. Also makes us the richest club in the Premiership…
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rome77
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 1:38 pm
Don’t they own Man City ?
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 2:01 pm
You’re not Lurgan. I wasn’t going to comment on any of that, but obviously I’m going to have to.
Firstly, although I’m told I’m deluded for consistently not acknowledging any of this all last season… the fact is, I wasn’t even in here all last season. I ducked out when this sort of media driven piffle was being used to beat Rafa and no one would look at the truth of what happened.
Well, you have to go back before last season to find the causes.
1: It turned out we’d over performed by finishing second, but we were in a position to kick on if a little investment had been made.
2: At the end of the season before last, Rafa was promised he would recieve at least 30 million plus anything he raised in sales.
3: We should all remember the battle that took place over this, but obviously we don’t. And that’s why I’m bothering to answer.
4: So we finished second, and Rafa went in for his own contract talks. Once he won that battle and got everything he wanted – to pick the players we bought and only selling when he agreed to the sale – first thing he done was secured and improved many of our top players contracts – remember the pittance Mascher was on.
So, having improved all the contracts, he set about buying. He very quickly bought Johnson and Aquilani. This was done for very simple reasons…
Arbeloa and Alonso wanted to leave. Both had only stayed on out of respect for Rafa – despite what the media said about Xabi, which Xabi himself refuted on a visit to Anfield this season. Both players had been bought on the cheap, around 12 million for both. They brought in near 40.
On top of that, Rafa wanted to move to a more expansive type of football, hence the purchase of two more attack minded footballers. In the Aquilani case, a combination of a cock up by our own medical staff, and a bit of snydiness by Roma’s Aquilani was more or less a right off for the season… a mistake which ultimately cost our medical staff their jobs and seen Rafa bring in one of the world’s top sports doctors and scientists.
And having secured Aquilani and Johnson, to replace Arbeloa and Xabi, Rafa then set about bringing in the players we were lacking the season before. This is when the carpet was pulled from under his feet… and not only the 20 to 30 promised million disappeared, so did the money raised in sales and Rafa was told all contracts had been taken from the transfer funds… a lie that stands shoulder to shoulder with the biggest Hicks has made. And if you remember rightly Rafa then had to fight the owners tooth and nail to secure Kyriagos to replace Hyppia… a bigger loss than any of us suspected when you think of the freak accidents that robbed us of not only our top centre halves but kids still being trained for that job.
So instead of being a team playing the sort of football we seen against the likes of Man U and Real, within 3 games the season was already slipping away from us because our normally solid defence was leaking goals like a sieve. But within the first 18 games of the season, we had used 16 different permutations at the back – normally our rock solid platform despit the media myths of zonal marking being our undoing.
So, within the first months of the season, we had used and lost Carra, Agger, Skrtle, Kyriagos, Johnson, Insua, Aurellio, Derby, Kelly and Santa Cruz… these were the injuries that done for us, not the ones to Gerrard and Torres.
On top of this, we suffered some ridiculous freak results. In all my years of playing, coaching and watching football, I can’t remember a team who had so much bad luck… from broken bones to beach balls, we had the lot.
But, mainly because of their own injury problems and loss of form, the other clubs hadn’t pulled away and we still hung in there. But unfortunately we constantly took one step forward only to take two back. It was the effect of it all that it eventually took it’s toll.
The media as usual done what they always do… took the idiot’s un-informed and easy route – It’s the manager’s fault. (Insert Cappello for Benitez, and their doing exactly the same again).
Here’s where the difference in the generations and the times come in… our fans where only to happy to jump on the bandwagon. And no matter what proof was put in front of them, it was called excuses and people/idiots like Stan Collymoore got listened to like wise old sages no matter how many times their lies and nonsense was shown up.
If you think back to the early part of the season, Rafa – the terrible man manager, who refuses to wrap an arm around the players – defended his young players, like Insua and Lucas, who were getting all the blame.
He didn’t do this by blaming anyone. What he said, was my young players aren’t to blame. At times like this, it’s the senior players who need to up their game and fight to get out of this.
Of course the media then ranted on about Rafa’s savage traitorous attack on “The Scouse heartbeat” of the team, Gerrard and Carragher – even though both players came out and said, they was playing dreadfully and had to perform better.
But again, this is where the generation/times we live in thing comes into play…
the media and the fans, well a large chunk of them, totally ignored that and hammered on and on about it all season, until you could see that Gerrard and Carra were both believing their own hype. And the fact is, both of them are young men who found this easier to do than have a long hard look at themselves.
In my day, that great man manager and motivator, Shankly would have publically ridiculed them both and dropped them to the reserves. It probably would have been best for both of them, but because of how things are today, this just can’t be done…. we’ve seen this consistently for years now and it’s still going on with England’s brave John Terry right now (Sarcasm fully intended).
It’s how football and life in general works now.
So to answer one of your main points Arthur… you can go on believing things like it Rafa’s fault. You can accept the media myth, that it was his fault for consistently playing 2 holding midfielders. Or you can have a mind of your own. You can look at the facts, and see that circumstances led to Lucas having more of a season than he would have. You can ignore that the lad actually had a decent season and wasn’t consistently used as a holding midfielder. You can ignore the fact, that Rafa’s attempt to play more expansive football had to go back to basics when results, injuries and terrible defending made that essential.
And you can believe that he’s spent billions on duffers that we don’t need or you can face facts.
And the fact is… consistently throughout Rafa’s tenure, except for last season, we have punched above our weight and actually out performed what we should have done.
One of the few reliable stats in football is, the wages to performance statistic…
Our wage bill should transfer to a consistent 5th/6th place finish, with the odd cup run.
We have over performed. We have been to 2 European Cup finals. We have won one and won an FA Cup. Even the failure in Athens, ensured that we got Torres. And that’s the truth of Rafa’s tenure. The man is a magician, sadly the magic ran out last year.
But should we/that group of players have done better last season… you’re darn tooting they should. But to just point the finger of blame at the one man who’s fought tooth and claw to bring us and them players that success, well that’s foolishness and treachery worthy only of the xenophobic idiotic English media and certainly not becoming of a knowledgable Liverpool Fan.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 2:06 pm
Sorry to burst the bubble of hope Van, but there’s a million similar texts floating around. There’s rumours of new stadiums. There’s rumours of 100 million being made for transfers. There’s rumours of rumours…
The fact is mate, they’re all nonsense.
There’s nothing mysterious going on. There’s the simple facts… we are skint. No one’s coming to the rescue. We have a fight on our hands, and even if we win it… we’re only performing damage limitation.
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artful_dodger74
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 2:27 pm
An interesting debate going on here between FS and Arthur.
I think as far as fans criticisms giving Bought-man the proviso to sack Rafa goes then it depends on the level of criticism of said fans. Every man and his dog has their opinions about the game of football and there wont be a team in the country that don’t have fans that criticize their manager. In fact, debate, criticism, opinions, call it what you want, but its what makes the game of football so compelling. Without it we might as well just give up watching football.
But if those criticisms are continuous, relentless, and your every move as a manager is subjected to microscopic analysis by the media and the fans, and in that analysis they include a conclusion that the manager be sacked, and this comes from a significant vociferous enough section of support then of course it must have a bearing on how a club come to the reasoning that their manager be sacked.
How many examples are there of a board sacking their manager when that clubs fans are completely happy with him? To say that the fans are not responsible in some way to how the board react to a manager cannot be right.
If you follow the moniker that a football club in essence is nothing without its fans, then its a logical follow-on that those fans have a say (indirectly or directly) in what goes on at that football club. If we don’t have a say then what in gods name is the point in supporters.
Now i aint trying to play mediator here between FS & Arthur. But i think both of you have a valid point. While i think general criticisms of a managers team selections, subs, transfers are fair game, every fan does it. General criticisms, normally, should not be enough ammunition to give a board the bullets to sack a manager. Otherwise we’d have chairmen all over the country loading their gold plated shotguns. It was more likely to be the dead heads and muppets that called for Rafa to be sacked that supplied the arrows.
The fans that are the traitors and fools are the one’s that were calling for the managers head plain and simple. Not the ones that simply criticized/debated the managers decisions. If the latter is the case, then you might as well string every LFC fan up, including me.
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van-leffo
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 2:51 pm
Rome 77, I’ve just checked and you’re right they do own Man City!!
I’ve probably been duped by some sad blue-nose.
Sorry Guys
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McrRed
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 3:26 pm
If I squint I can enjoy Liverpool versus Slovenia which is on at the moment.
They do look good in the all-red home kit!
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 5:19 pm
#475… there’s sense in that but also some big flaws…
1: The majority of the fans, still backed the manager.
2: The campaign ran against our manager had no bearing in fact. It started practically immeadiately and never let up. But the thing about that was… every time a new stick was introduced to beat Rafa, it was proved to be wrong – and not only wrong, but quite often a downright lie. Sadly though, our know quite uneducated fans sided with the media.
3: Broughton, the man who eventually forced Rafa out was brought in to the club by RBS to work one day a week on finding decent buyers for the club… that was his only remit.
4: He forced Rafa out on the sly when the season finished and everyone was on holiday, including Rafa himself, and he done it by leaking it to the media first and then a week later when asked to explain how and why he could force out Rafa he replied by saying the media agreed with him… in other words he forced Rafa out because the media gave him the excuse to.
When all the dust settles on this, when people look back on Rafa’s actual time at the club, the truth will out. But sadly right now we live in a time when John Terry can criticise a man who has won every honour in the game as a player and a coach, and the media and a large section of the fans will agree with that, perpetuate the lie and actually believe their drivel is correct above the managers.
I think it’s hilarious nowadays. They don’t even wait a couple of days. They actually change opinion in mid-sentence.
I’ve just watched England struggle to beat Slovinia. For the last two days, I’ve heard “Iron man Cappello,” be turned into the “Stubborn Italian.”
The other constant clamour was for Gerrard not to be played on the left, for Joe Cole and Peter Crouch to be played and James Milner to be dropped. And it was also said, Defoe should not play with Rooney.
So what happens, Milner, on top of giving Johnson the defensive cover Cappello obviously played him for, also creates a goal for Defoe.
Gerrard for once, does the job he’s told to – stays on the left – and has a decent game. And Cole gets brought on for the injured Rooney and is quite frankly cack.
So, in other words… Cappello stuck to his guns and got it right. The media immeadiately start with The 3 Lions, going to win it and the fans just get drunk.
We get knocked out on Saturday, it all starts again. It’s just the way it is now. But there was a time when Liverpool fans were above all this nonsense. Yes, we had a moan when things weren’t going right. We argued. We called our own players some terrible names in the pubs. We even aired doubts about our managers – including Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish. But never did we act like this… even Souness, one of the main traitors in chief, was never treated like this.
It was down to things mainly…
We knew the score. We knew about our own club. We knew what was going on. We didn’t let some ridiculous journalist or ex-player with an axe to grind dictate to us.
And mainly we all stood together. You attacked one of us, you attacked us all. And we circled the wagons and defended our own.
That’s not some romantic look back through rose coloured glasses. I’m not even going back that far. But in the last few years, two main things have changed… the media and it’s hype of football and the make up of the fans. And I have to admit that the Liverpool Way is dead. And though I hate to say it, we are just another club now. In fact, we are worse than most. Want to see proper football fans stick together, get behind their team, and defend their own when they are attacked, well, you have to look at clubs like Stoke and Wolves… the big glamour clubs, forget it. Them days are well and truly over.
But there’s a fight on and I can’t just walk away and not defend something that’s been a huge part of my life for as long as I can remember. But I do admit, I sometimes think is it worth the effort.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 5:57 pm
Anyway, for those who are interested…
Rafa is giving an interview tommorow night at 6pm on Radio City. You should be able to get it on the net wherever you live.
Don’t expect anything to come out. I very much doubt he’ll say anything. Like I said in an earlier post, he was walking round Liverpool all day yesterday. Nobody I knew met him or anything, but I did see some things on the net from people who did meet him. Apparently he was as cheerful and approachable as usual and he was shaking hands, posing for pictures and gabbing with anyone who wanted a word… but he wasn’t saying anything…
Same old Rafa I suppose.
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Aitch
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 8:28 pm
I’m sorry Arthur, my intent was not to impune your integrity.
I’m not suggesting Rafa’s dismissal was “your fault” but the simple inescapable fact is that Rafa Benitez was not fired because of last season’s results, or final league position.
He was fired because that is what G&H had always wanted… and the environment and atmosphere was ripe for doing it.
And yes… G&H are almost entirely to blame for creating this environment and atmosphere…
… but sooo many fans were complicit in it.
Its an unfair comparison… its just football… but the German people were complicit in Hitler’s Reign. They didn’t give the orders. They weren’t responsible for all his atrocities… but they were complicit in allowing for an environment that made it all possible.
Had Benitez received the same ground swell of support 4 weeks ago, as he did at the time of the Klinssman revelations…
…had fans marched en-masse on Anfield, in the same numbers or greater, 4 weeks ago, showing banners of support FOR Rafa and AGAINST the Owners…
… we would now still have a manager, making deals behind closed doors and convincing the next Torres or Xabi to come to Liverpool…
…and be unquestionably better off than we are now.
(and YES… we may well survive all this… but the club is in the critical care unit this summer, as opposed to sunning itself on the beach for a much needed summer break.)
Again, let’s look at the facts here.
Its not like there wasn’t precedent.
G&H tried to fire Rafa Benitez once before.
Due to the mass and very vocal swell of support for the manager, a support that at that time had barely a whimper of opposition, they realized it would be bad for business (no not results on the field, but their business plan,) and so they put up with him.
That was it.
They didn’t back off from some revelation that they had made a mistake in approaching Klinssman…
…or have some moment of clarity where they realized Rafa was the right man for the job…
… they simply backed off to placate the fans, because at that point it didn’t affect their bottom line to keep him.
We need to remember that for Rafa Benitez’s entire reign at Anfield, he rarely got to buy the players he actually wanted.
There is a long list of players he wanted… name players, emerging young players that eventually became name players at other clubs… that he wanted, but was unable to sign…
…either because Moores wouldn’t stump the cash, or because Parry disagreed with Rafa’s assessment of said player…
(I won’t list them all, you should already know it, its been listed here before by a number of different posters.)
We should also not forget, that despite them being not just complicit, but largely at fault for our current predicament…
…there was a point at which the LFC board consisted of Gillette, Gillette jnr., Hicks, Hicks jnr, Moores and Parry…
…and realizing how catastrophically they’d fucked up, Moores and Parry were the veto vote that stopped G&H from doing what the fuck they wanted.
(one such veto being against the hiring of Klinssman.)
Rafa had his own battles to fight… but he was also caught in the middle of this ridiculous boardroom power struggle too!
Rafa was getting results on the field, so G&H turned their attention to the other thorns in their side.
They eventually pushed Moores out. Easy enough done, since pretty much all LFC fans had no fuckin sympathy for the man.
And then they turned their attentions to Parry.
This was also relatively easy since all they had to do was renegotiate Rafa’s contract, giving him player purchase/sale veto, in order to insure that Parry was left with no allies within the club… and as with Moores, there was no sympathy at all for “good ole Coco”.
The owners had removed Moores. They’d removed Parry, and the only thorn left in their side was Rafa.
“So why did they renew his contract?” I hear you ask
…And more importantly…
“Why did they give him player control, in that contract?”
No great mystery there either, in my opinion…
Now I’d go so far as to say that Rafa was complicit in both M & P’s removal.
He was likely being told what he wanted to hear in terms of running the team…
Parry had been an obstacle to his desired player movements…
… and it would have been easy for the Owners to convince Rafa that they supported him and it was actually M&P that had been the problem all along.
In fact, if you think back to the time… that is exactly what was being said in press releases, interviews and news articles.
Rafa got his promise in writing on his contract… effectively sidelining him from the fight and Parry lost his last hope for an allie inside Anfield.
….but I don’t think for one minute that the owners had any intention whatsoever of honoring that contract…
… it was a means to an end…
… to remove any obstacle to getting rid of Parry.
Getting rid of Benitez… the final goal… their ultimate goal… they’d face later.
All they needed to do was wait for… not even a fan backlash … but fan malaise…
And they set about getting it.
They publicly promised him money.
The press believed this… disseminated it… continually repeated it…
…despite the actual 2.5 million FACTS of the last 2 summers…
… and sadly… far too many of the fans bought it hook, line and sinker!
Were results on the park not good enough?
Sometimes! Maybe even too often!
Were performances on the park not good enough?
Unquestionably!
Was it the Manager’s fault?
Not even a quarter of the time!
Was the last season abysmal?
Absolutely, Categorically, Unarguably!
Did that season, that finish, make Rafa Benitez a bad manager?
Well I’m sorry but if you think that, you’re not just comlicit… you’re a fuckin imbecile!
No one is saying you can’t have an opinion.
No one is even suggesting that there aren’t fair criticisms to be leveled in Rafa’s direction.
But far too many criticisms were leveled at the man in an embattled season…
… and the VAST MAJORITY of them were either baseless, or seriously misdirected.
There were many reasons for the events of last season.
Rafa’s man-management, tactical approach and sub decisions were the LEAST of them.
But far too many… far too many… LFC fans let their emotions get the better of them.
And what the majority of Anti-Rafas, or Rafa-Outs simply FAIL to understand is one simple little indisputable FACT…
Not one single person who thinks that firing Rafa was a mistake, and that we needed him to move forward…
(most particularly because of the current owner/board situation)
…was happy about last season.
Not fuckin one of us!
We “pro-Rafas” were just as fuckin frustrated.
The difference is in how we vent that frustration…
… and the direction in which it is/was vented.
So… was the growing Anti-Rafa voice among the fanbase, the reason Rafa got fired?
Of course it wasn’t. I don’t think anyone is even suggesting that!
But that growing Anti-Rafa sentiment, fueled by frustration, and fanned by the media…
…was the final ingredient that gave the Owners exactly what they’d been waiting for!
…and they HAD been waiting for it.
The owners have invested nothing.
The have done nothing that represents an improvement for the club.
(in fact they have done much that is decidedly the opposite.)
The owners have siphoned money off the club each and every season.
They will walk with a profit when the club is eventually sold.
And a mid-table Liverpool Football Club, without SG, FT, Masch, whoever… and managed by Mark Hughes…
…is worth just as much to any New Buyer…
…as a top 4 Liverpool Football Club, with those players, and managed by Rafa Benitez!
It is a simple cash equation for these guys… and they’ll walk away smelling of roses and won’t lose a penny on the deal.
And the New Owner will make money from day 1…
…because more people want tickets for the match, than there are tickets available.
Fans in Singapore and Sweden, Africa and America, China and Canada, Mexico and Malasia will all buy shirts, mugs, clocks, towels, bed sheets, hats, scarves…
… satellite television packages… regardless!
I’m sorry Arthur, I’m not trying to pick a fight. I think you’ve been pretty reasonable this season in accepting opposing viewpoints to your own, when presented in a thought-out manner…
… and I’m not saying its all your fault…
… I’m not saying you’re evil…
…I’m not even lumping you into the same boat as the likes of a Burgerman, or even Digger…
… but all those who were Anti-Rafa, and voiced that sentiment vociferously, and repeatedly…
… even in the face of fact after fact being presented in combat of the media misquotes, inaccuracies, misrepresentations and outright lies…
… as you unfortunately did once again in #459..
… then yes… to some degree… whatever that degree might be…
… there was complicity… or at the very least facilitation.
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Aitch
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 8:59 pm
Hey FS, is there any significance to the date July 15?
I know the rumors are probably bullshit, but I do recall seeing the date July 15 referenced in a few articles recently (I just don’t remember where, or in what context… the date just popped out at me)
Also… the rumored Abu-D “buyer” is not the same bloke as Man City’d…
… but it is a relative of the Citeh bloke, so there’ll likely be F.A. objection to the deal as it could represent “a conflict of interest”
…and the last thing the F.A. would want is LFC with Citeh’s dosh, so they’ll almost certainly object to any such deal.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 9:57 pm
To my knowledge Aitch there’s nothing in place… absolutely nothing. Nevermind a buyer, we don’t even have a clue who’s going to manage the club or who’s going to be playing for us.
For every positive rumour, I could give you the negative equivalent and vice versa. That’s why I haven’t mentioned any or even got involved with any conversations, except to say that’s all they are – rumours and there’s millions of them flying around.
If you look back a bit, I just posted something about Rafa not selling his house and the kids and Montse staying on. I heard that right after he’d been forced out. I never posted it until today, when it had been confirmed.
As for the Abu Dhabi investment, yes. I’ve heard it. And yes. It’s supposedly from a different person in the ruling family – the boss shiek apparently. But until I know something is fact, I won’t post it or even comment on it. Probably sounds bad of me that, but the thing is, we have enough actualities to deal with. And to be honest, I’ve not even posted something’s that I know are fact, but don’t consider them useful to what we trying to do.
To be honest, there’s that much shite surrounding our club nowadays, real and imagined, that it’s hard enough to concentrate on the real problems.
Not trying to be a smartarse by saying that, it’s just the truth. I mean look at the last couple of days… we can argue about Rafa till we turn blue in the face but the thing is there’s other things we need to discuss.
In fact, I only popped back into say this… replies are starting to come back from the premiere league in response to the Broughton letters.
It’s a similair nice worded fob off like the RBS one. But again, it’s registering and they can’t keep fobbing us off if we keep this up. So if anyone hasn’t sent any of the letters, or replied to the replies, they should and we should all be encouraging others to send them.
And hopefully within the next couple of days, well be racking it up a notch.
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Aitch
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 10:38 pm
yeah… I wasn’t suggesting the A-D rumor had any substance to it.
Its just that I’ve read that date, July 15, a couple of times now and wondered, as you do in these uncertain times, if there was any significance just to the date,
like for instance,
is it a date that represents a deadline/or rollover option in the loan agreement?
is that the end of the “fiscal” year for U.K. clubs?
something like that?
It could just be one of those things, and probably is, like the debt figures of 271 or 351 million, that was read once and just keeps getting repeated coz the journos are too fuckin lazy to research the truth of the matter!
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:15 pm
Sorry Aitch, been watching the telly. Rare I do that, but thing about John Lennon on. But anyway, 15th of July seems to be doing the rounds as the day the club will anounance it’s been sold.
My opinion… it’s pure bollacks.
The one’s I’ve seen say the club has been sold for under 600 million on the proviso that Hicks gets involved in the building of the stadium.
If pigs haven’t started flying around Texas, I’d cock a deaf ear to it mate.
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 #485 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:20 pm
Some excellent posts there from FS and Aitch.
Did any of you guys read the Tomkins article on Roy Hodgson. Brilliant. Now he is a journo that actually does some research and puts together a balanced piece. I actually learnt something reading it. When was the last time I learnt something reading a newspaper article? Fucking hell.
FS you are absolutely right with the Capello comparisons. I’ve been watching with interest – the media lapping up Terry’s brave press conference outburst against the stubborn Johnny Foreigner.
Another thing, small thing…. is the decline in quality commentating these days. I have preferred the sounds of the vuvuzelas to the likes of Clive Tidlsey, Andy Townsend, fucking Mark Lawrenson, Mark Bright (goodness me). The pundits are shocking. I only like Marcel Dessaily.
I am a watcher of Cricket and I must say the punditry and commentating and reporting is far far superior. Not sure why that is but it just is.
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Diggerno.10
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:35 pm
#475: Artful by name and by nature. Superb, accurate, cuts-through-the-bullshit, post. Why is it the quiet ones usually have the most insightful things to say? (your not the most prolific poster mate! Yet I always find myself nodding in agreement when reading your all too infrequent contributions)
Aitch, question for ya mucker; Why dident Rafa recieve that groundswell of support you mention, 4 weeks ago? Why dident the fans march en masse with banners of support 4 weeks ago? Moreover, when Rafas departure was announced, the time one would have expected such a march, a mere 50 to 100 people showed up outside Anfield to voice their displeasure. I’m curious as to your explanation or reasoning for this.
And not to be pedantic but as per my Collins pocket dictionary (never lets me down!): Complicit – The state of being complicit: involvement as a partner or accomplice especially in a crime or other wrongdoing. Now, while we all view Rafas dismissal as a wrongdoing and there are certainly some who would view it as a crime, I think most lucid, clearthinking people, can conclude for themselves that neither I, nor Arthur, nor anyone who questioned or debated the mans tactics or policies for that matter, are Hicks and Gilletes partners or accomplice. I think post 475 adequately demonstrates this. Frankly, the fact that this has to be pointed out on a blog containing so many apparently intelligent people is somewhat embarrassing. I mean I’m literally asking myself as I write this ‘is it not a little insulting to point out the obvious?’ Anyway, I think you put it best yourself Aitch with the following: ‘So was the growing Anti-Rafa voice among the fanbase the reason he was fired? Of course not.’ So I know you get it and as I said I hope you wont think I’m being pedantic but there is a point to be made and although Artful made it more eloquently than me, I think the word ‘complicit’ was being bandied about innacurately in reference to Arthur and just wanted to highlight the not so subtle difference between being complicit in an event and eh…..not complicit!
Arthur email me at [email protected] cheers mucker.
SS Digger over and out!….
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:48 pm
Well that’s reporting for you nowadays LB and the people who take any notice of them… Rafa being forced out was done at a very calculated time. The time when least people could turn up at Anfield. But that night after work a crowd numbering in the hundreds surrounded Anfield and chanted Rafa’s name for ages. This was not organised in anyway by anyone. It was just people turning up to let their feelings be none in support of Rafa…
There’s a few posts on it in this very comments section. It’s noted what the press did…
reported a scattering of fans had turned up at an SOS organised protest to denounce the owners but not in defence of Rafa. But many people actually reported the press as scattering when the crowd started turning their anger towards them, only stopping to take pictures of a few youngsters setting fire to a couple of stars and stripes.
This is the hypocrisy I can’t bear. This is the complete ignoring of all fact and propogating of media myth that helped create the atmosphere which emboldened the snakes in our boardroom to do for our only ally. And this is exactly why I will never forgive the likes of this chump for what he’s done to my club.
Disgrace.
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 #488 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 23, 2010 @ 11:52 pm
PS… LB you are entirely correct. The vuvuzelas are not only preferable, they actually make more sense.
But I tell you something, well a word of warning really… once you come to realise how utterly ridiculous and below contempt the media drivel is, it can ruin your football and make listening to a huge section of supporters absolutely unbearable.
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gazmaninaus
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 12:56 am
Gerry, can we at least start a new page so I can comment. The system takes forever once the posts stack up. Therefore I can’t type anything, this took over 10 minutes.
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I see shirt sales of the new kit broke records on the first day, 35000, going to 100 countries. Lots of money for one day. Sorry heaps to say but it way to slow.
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Aitch
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 1:04 am
Gaz… you realize that’s upwards of about 1.5 million quid… which will no doubt disappear into the Caribbean.
Oh and try writing in Microsoft word or something, even an email draft, and then cutting and pasting.
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 #491 |
Aitch
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 1:05 am
Once again Digger, just because you artfully claim the high ground… doesn’t mean you actually have it.
I’ll give it to you lad, you can write… but you’re NOT right!
First of all… we all have access to dictionaries. I have one right here with me.
It’s the Webster’s New World Dictionary and it defines complicity in the following way…
Complicity: partnership in wrongdoing
That’s it… wrongdoing… nothing about a crime.
It also defines comply as : to act in accordance
And compliance as: 1. a complying or acquiescence 2. a tendency to give into others.
Well we certainly can’t saddle you with number 2 on this blog, but I’ll continue to saddle you with number 1, no matter how cleverly you cherry pick dictionaries.
You ask what you think is a “clever” question, designed to put me behind the 8-ball.
You veil it with a friendly “mucker”.
But you know the answer to the question.
In fact, I answered the question in my post.
Yes there was a very vocal Anti-Rafa section of fans on call-ins, commenting on blogs and in the comment sections of web-articles, but while your statement is clearly designed to make it appear that the majority of Liverpool fans weren’t backing Rafa… and that is why there was no grand march….
…From what I’ve seen on MB’s and in comments sections since his departure, I’d suggest that it simply is NOT true that the majority of fans were Anti-Rafa.
The reason there wasn’t a mass turn out in support of Rafa Benitez is quite simple… there was no “apparent” immediate need.
I personally feel that all the signs were there, and the alarm bells were wringing… but if you cast your mind back to end of season debates… most people thought he’d be given another season.
Its not hard to see why fans thought that…
Broughton had given 3 televised interviews in which he categorically stated that Rafa would not be fired.
In one, he clearly stated in his interview with Claire Roarke on LFC.tv that “I can assure fans that Rafa will be in charge next season.”
So its no great mystery why there was no grand march.
Fans were gearing themselves up for the World Cup.
The new Exec was making all the right noises.
And the “small” protest that did happen was already planned as an anti-G&H protest and happened the day after the announcement of Rafa’s dismissal.
The barn door was wide open and the horse was well bolted at that point.
Again, you cleverly cherry pick one sentence…
So… was the growing Anti-Rafa voice among the fanbase, the reason Rafa got fired?
Of course it wasn’t.
… to try to twist my own words against me… but conveniently overlook the rest.
Stuff like the very next sentence… which was…
But that growing Anti-Rafa sentiment, fueled by frustration, and fanned by the media…
…was the final ingredient that gave the Owners exactly what they’d been waiting for!
…and they HAD been waiting for it.
…or…
Were performances on the park not good enough?
Unquestionably!
Was it the Manager’s fault?
Not even a quarter of the time!
…or…
Did that season, that finish, make Rafa Benitez a bad manager?
Well I’m sorry but if you think that, you’re not just comlicit… you’re a fuckin imbecile!
And finally, I was gonna let it go, coz I can’t be arsed getting into a pissing contest with you…but frankly, it needs to be pointed out.
You are not a voice of reason, as you claim, Digger.
Your position for this entire season was that Rafa was the wrong man and we needed a change.
But at #69 in Gerry’s last blog (untimely titled) Little Red Shoots of Recovery, you stated
“Maybe all I’ve wanted all along was a change in our manager, not a change of manager.”
…which is just NOT what, you had repeatedly stated, you wanted….
That statement isn’t just in stark, stark contrast to the position you had held for the previous 12 months, and about which we’d actually had a few heated discussions, it is a 180degree turn.
But I didn’t bother jumping on it at the time, coz I knew you didn’t mean it. I had a little chuckle to myself when I read it though, imagining you on your high-horse, claiming the higher ground.
You then actually had the audacity to veil that massive change of heart in the statement…
“ To be honest my opinion on Rafa has changed since his ‘big mistakes’ interview. His concession and ownership of errors I’ve been lambasted for pointing out may have felt like validation but more importantly it acknowledged the existence of a problem and thus was the 1st step on the road to a better manager. “
…which would be sort of laughable if it wasn’t so unbelievably arrogant.
…You think he was taking ownership of all the errors you’d pointed out?
Digger Please!
I get it mate and there’s fuck-all pedantic about it.
You are and were Anti-Rafa …
… and there’s naught wrong with that… except that you’re opinion was wrong.
… it was your opinion, and you’re entitled to it…
… but the point is that at that time … last season, but specifically January to now…
… the pro Rafas got that being Pro-Rafa was really more being pro-LFC…
… and being Anti-Rafa was in essence being Anti-LFC…
… something the Anti-Rafas didn’t get… and apparently still don’t…
… but its not about the blame game… not anymore anyway…
… simply put the Anti-Rafas were more vocal than the Pro-Rafas…
… they didn’t outnumber the “pros” they were just more vocal…
… perhaps that is our complicity…
… but it did create an atmosphere that allowed G&H to do what they did.
You can ignore that all you want… but it is our reality.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 2:21 am
Aitch, I don’t want to get involved in this, I really don’t.
But I do want to tell you something, the march for Rafa wasn’t out of some already organised protest. The truth is, when the news broke a few people on internet sites said they was going to Anfield the following day. From early morning people started to mill about, some hanging flags and some trying to get answers. By early afternoon there had become quite a crowd. By 6 oclock when people had got out of work, it numbered in the hundreds.
Sky hung around their all day, and actually found 2 people from Liverpool that said they was glad he was gone. These were the people they featured all day. Normally they can’t find any local people on a weekday. They are all at work. It’s mainly people visiting the shop from out of town that are then.
By early afternoon SOS had decided to hijack the march and said it was a march to protest against H&G not a march to support Rafa. That was a complete and utter lie. And I’m not speaking out of school by saying that. I’ve already had arguments with SOS committee members over this.
SOS actually asked the lad who suggested the march on 4th of July to stop and not include SOS in anyway. When it grew and kept growing, again SOS hi-jacked it and said it was organised by them. Again I complained to committee members about this, and that’s not the only things I’ve crossed swords with them over. But at the end of the day, I agree with SOS over both things…
They are our one official weapon. They should be seen to be taking the lead on these things. It’s late and I can’t be arsed explaining anymore of that but will.
But take no notice of the reports on Sky and in the papers, who got them from Sky. The fact is, the media made a rather hasty retreat when it looked like the crowd’s anger was going to be turned on them and then they turned the story into the version Digger is trying to rewrite history with.
As I said, a disgrace.
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 #493 |
Diggerno.10
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 3:49 am
Aitch I’ll get back to you tomorrow. Dont know if its cos theres so many posts or what but this thing is way slow. Much to take you up on but I think the best of all is your claim that I’m taking the high ground and you later categorically tell me that ‘your opinion is wrong’!! Too funny mate!
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 #494 |
Aitch
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 4:15 am
There is nothing to take me up on Digger. And there is nothing funny about it.
I’m not saying you are wrong because you disagree with me.
It just is what it is, the facts are there for all to see, and you don’t see it.
…by the way, you’ll know when I’m taking the higher ground… it’ll be when I stop responding to your comments.
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 #495 |
Aitch
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 4:22 am
And FS, fair enough, maybe I got the details behind the march/demo wrong, but I don’t think that invalidates the point I was trying to make in comparing this summer with the Klinssman period.
Broughton’s interview with Claire Roarke, where he stated Rafa would still be manager, aired on LFC.tv just 3 days before Rafa was fired.
The point I was trying to make by using that march as an example was that, while there were rumblings and hints, most fans didn’t see this coming and had there been more warning a larger turn-out could have been affected.
If Broughton had said, “we’re thinking about firing Rafa and bringing in Hodgson” in one of those interviews… I bet there’d have been a much larger turn-out.
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 #496 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 4:23 am
Arthur #459, if there was anyone that’s deluded, it is you.
“a) Rafa’s folly in alienating Alonso during the summer of 2008 in chasing the far inferior Barry which ultimately caused Xabi to leave last season”
How did you know Xabi wasn’t starting to get interested in moving on? Besides, he had a fuck terrible season in 2007/2008, and even if he didn’t want to leave, his terrible performance meant he should’ve seen it coming if Rafa decides to cash in on him, and rightly so. He and perhaps Liverpool were damn lucky he clicked in 2008/2009. And Barry being inferior? Where the fuck did you read into that anyway?
“b) to use the €30m on buying an injured player Aquilani (who he barely used when fit)when all and sundry knew that we were so short of a back up striker. Our midfield options were far greater”
The 30m Euros from the Xabi sale was NOT ALL USED. Roma only received 5-7m Euros up front, and will only receive the remaining 20m Euros in installments and any bonuses from Aqua’s performances. After that, Rafa is supposed to have 10m left, but it all disappeared. As to where it all went, why don’t you try asking Tom and George before you blame it all on Rafa?
“c)Not qualifying from a CL group containing an extermely average Fiorentina and Lyon. In the defeat to Fiorenina we had Torres and Gerrard fit, just to counter any “ooh but we had injuries” defence”
Allow me to refresh your memory:
Matchday 1 – Debreceni – won – full team
MD2 – Fiorentina – lost – full team
MD3 – Lyon – lost – No Gerrard and Torres
MD4 – Lyon – lost – No Torres
MD5 – Debreceni – won – No Torres
MD6 – Fiorentina – lost – No Torres
Of our 3 defeats, ONLY ONE involved a full team. To use only that one lost game where we had a full squad to justify it had nothing to do with injury and then lump all blame on Rafa is just plain cherrypicking bullshit to further your agenda.
It’s like saying seatbelts are useless because someone died wearing it.
“d) Not qualifying for the CL for next season. Given the spine of Reina, Carragher, Mascherano, Gerrard (I’ll leave Torres out even though he did play quite a number of games)and the overall squad in general we should have been able to finish in the top 4. I’m not saying even challenge for the title.”
When the team wins, the players gets all the plaudits, manager has nothing to do with it. And when it loses, it’s all Rafa’s fault. Typical.
Except for Reina and Masch (prior to Argentina qualifying for WC), both Carragher and especially Gerrard were shockingly sub-par.
Near the end when we still had a mathematical chance of getting into the top-4, the fans and probably Rafa still hasn’t given up, but I single Gerrard’s attitude and body language as though he no longer gives a fuck and just wants to go to South Africa right away.
“e) Blindly persisting with Lucas/Macherano midfield when Rafa could have easily used Gerrard, Aquilani, Benayoun, Pacheco at various times throughout the season. Too many defeats, too many draws”
Allow me to refer you to this article by the “Arch Rafa Cocksucker Who Does His Research” Paul Tomkins:
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/03/midfield-pairings-and-flawed-logic/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheTomkinsTimes+%28The+Tomkins+Times%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
The Lucas/Masch pairing yielded a better win ratio was higher than any other pairing, so why change that which works?
Gerrard was disappointingly ineffective, especially so near the end as he seems to be conserving his bloody strength for Inggurland.
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KENNY DALGLISH LFC LEGEND
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 8:37 am
Digger: I bet your mum pulled her hair out when you were a kid. I said you had to be in by 11pm, you’re late young man. Oh sorry ma I thought you mean’t 11pm USA time. I don’t want to be pedantic Ma but next time you tell me when I have to be home remember there are different time zones around the world, you really must explain yourself more clearly.
Frankly Digger, Arthur if you both think we are in a better position at this moment in time without Rafa at the helm you both must be either winding the rest of us up or you are both in cloud cuckoo land.
Now if you want to debate who’s the best manager around be it < Moanuinho, Hiddink, Van Gaal etc and hypothetically would they have done a better job at Liverpool, well that’s a different matter.
Not that I’d waste my time on that because there are more urgent and pressing matters ie; Arthur/Digger Liverpool ever resembling the club I was brought up to love and getting those thieving gits out.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 10:58 am
Not at all Aitch. Everything you said was bang on. But that’s what happens mate when you only have press reports to rely on. You get there skewered version.
I suppose I should have give a report on the protest after Rafa was sacked, but it happened when I was posting other stuff about fighting back.
Which is what I’m going to concentrate on from now. I’m still waiting on me man to come through. I’ve gave him a gentle nudge (Again), but I can’t get too pushy. I think he’ll just bail, if he hasn’t already. But not to worry… I’ve already got the ammunition, the targets to go for and the angles to take the shots from.
So one way or another, we will be going ahead soon. I’m just giving the fella a decent amount of time to answer and if I hear nothing, I’ll make other arrangements. That’s fair enough. There are some people taking personal risks by helping us with all this. So, I’m grateful for that, and I don’t think it’s right we to put any sort of pressure on people who doing their best.
Which brings me to what I hope is me last post on all the irrelevant shit…
FOOLS: Those who don’t really understand the situation and so don’t understand the damage they’ve done to the club.
I met a woman (An old fat woman in her late 50′s) in a bar in Budapest or Bucharest last season. I can’t even remember which game it was. The bar was full of reds. She was sat next to me at the bar. The crowd started to sing a few Rafa songs. She turned to me and said, “Why are they singing that? I hate him.” (Yes. Hate him)
I asked why.
She didn’t really know. She spouted a couple of the usual Rafa media-isms.
I shot them down.
She said, “I don’t care. I hate him.”
Again, I asked why? And I said, “Hate, that’s a bit harsh isn’t it?”
To cut a long story short, she said, “I want Mourhino.”
I asked why?
She come out with a couple of ridiculous Mourhion media-isms, and then in all seriousness, she honestly said to me…
“He’s easy on the eye.”
She said it an attempt to be funny, but also in all seriousness. She actually wanted Maureen because he was “Easier on the eye” than Rafa.
I could tell a million others, but that’s just a little story to show what I mean by Fools who haven’t got the sense to realise what they’ve done.
And I suppose they are easier to forgive than the traitors, but they are also very loud and can’t wait to shout their drivel to anyone that will listen… therefore, they were used by the media in their witch hunt. And then ultimately as an excuse for forcing out our only ally by Broughton.
And for that, I will never forgive them.
TRAITORS: Someone who actually has a little more knowledge than the fools, and therefore less of an excuse. These people make their stance, and then, no matter what fact proves that stance wrong, they will just continue on regardless. They also constantly move the goal posts, as we’ve seen since Rafa arrived…
Rotation, zonal marking, bad management, huge expenditure on thousands of duff players…
It doesn’t matter to them. They just picked up the current stick the Boss was being beaten with, and used it on him until either… another more useful one came along, or that one was proved ridiculous. So they just dropped it and picked up the next one.
They are also very good at going back and picking up one they’d dropped ages ago. It didn’t matter just as long as they could keep it up…
They re-write history. They bring up anything they can, even if they know it’s a downright lie, and use it as fact that they are right.
This is the just one of the really hateful and disgraceful things about the Traitors. I’ve only really seen it in the internet age… for some reason, they think it is far more important that they are seen to be right than the club do well and prove them wrong.
And they don’t mind what depths they plum to do that… Digger even dragged an old club legend into it by saying he gave him exclusive information.
Yes. While earning a few dollars speaking to NYReds, Molby apparently stopped his Q&A session to sit with Digger and whisper club secrets in his ear only.
Funny how Jan, who was on a bit of a tour at the time, defended Rafa to the hilt everywhere else he spoke. And was a known supporter, admirer and ally of the man… even though he earns most of his money through the club’s official telly station nowadays, and so has to toe the yanks party line.
Bringing up this sort of stuff might seem rather petty of me. But as I’ve said a million times before, Digger means nothing to me personally. Sure, I don’t like him. In fact, I cannot stand him. But the fact is, I can’t stand anyone like him. And unfortunately, over the last few years more and more of his type attached themselves to the club and no matter how many times they shout not “My Bad,” no matter how much they deny what they’ve done or try to rewrite history… I will never forgive them for what they’ve done.
Petty. Yeah, I suppose it is. There’s much more important things happening in the world, kids going hungry and shoeless and so on. But then, when I was a little hungry shoeless kid, besides for my family, LFC was all I had. It was the same for all of us from my background. That doesn’t make me any bigger of an LFC fan than anyone else. But LFC wasn’t just about winning things and being a fan to me. It was the hub and pride of my community and family. And no matter how bad things got back in the bad old times of dinner times and no dinners, we had something to rally round and be proud of. Then through the skint 70′s and 80′s, when everyone in this country hated Scousers and treated us like second class citizens, we had something they never had and they hated that and us…
And I could go on, but I’m not trying to write some We was skint and hungry Dickens type essay. I’m just explaining a few of the reasons, why what’s essentially just a football club means so much to a middle aged man. It’s not as important as my family and my friends… It’s one of them. That’s why I’m fighting for it. That’s why I always will and that’s why I will never forgive the traitors that have damaged it so badly.
Petty? Yeah. But there you go. You pays your money, you takes your choice. I know what side I stand on.
PS… Rafa is on Radio City at 6pm GMT tonight. If anyone wants to listen, you’ll be able to get it on the net.
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SonOfAKhan
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 11:27 am
Aitch’s comment #491, apart from being the usual great and insightful one, has the following lines:
… but the point is that at that time … last season, but specifically January to now…
… the pro Rafas got that being Pro-Rafa was really more being pro-LFC…
… and being Anti-Rafa was in essence being Anti-LFC…
… something the Anti-Rafas didn’t get… and apparently still don’t…
That has been the biggest issue I have had along with my mates, and most of the lads here, with the anti-Rafa supporters these past few months. The anti-Rafa rants put across were mostly of how they, the anti-rafa supporters, were against the gaffer per se and not LFC the club and they ‘loved’ LFC and had LFC at heart in their arguments. Maybe some of us (not in here) were not eloquent enough in putting across our own arguments, but we always forget that we were against the ‘professionals’ inside the media.
As Aitch put it:
… simply put the Anti-Rafas were more vocal than the Pro-Rafas…
… they didn’t outnumber the “pros” they were just more vocal…
… perhaps that is our complicity…
… but it did create an atmosphere that allowed G&H to do what they did.
The fact that the media was on the sides of G&H in the whole mess has not really been explained or really dissected by many quarters except by a handful, including those in here. There is no denying the power of the media and how it has always been used by propagandists to get what they wanted. And people like me who would never be eloquent enough nor have the resources as the ‘professionals’ in the media who I guess studied for years to be at where they are, it made our tasks in explaining things a tall mountain to climb, not to mention the fact most of us do not have the power of persuasion of the media. Include in their group the ex-players and so-called paid pundits who have an axe to grind with LFC, we will see how hard it was for the pro-rafa supporters.
The question is why these small group of people in the media decided to ‘back’ G&H. Were they actually paid by them to write what they did? I mean undertable money or paid holidays is not something so unthinkable. Were the journalists so unreasonable and picked on LFC because they simply could and wanted to sell papers? Was is because it was LFC and it was a good feeling for these scums to ignore the facts and tell lies so as LFC would be “knocked off” the ‘fuckin perch’? Or is it because LFC is from Liverpool? Or because Rafa is Spanish and not English? Or all the above?
The bottomline is they did what they did for a reason and created enough for G&H to use to get rid of Rafa. The whole thing has a nasty sting of a conspiracy! And some of us will keep on asking whether the anti-rafa supporters read too much from the media or did not read enough to come to their conclusions. As for the hard-headed ones, I feel it is just an issue of having an ego too big to admit that they were wrong.
Now it is up to the supporters in Liverpool and places nearby to do the damage control, while those from far away would continue to support it with letters and emails and boycots. If only we had the media on our side, things would have been so easy. I mean, if every media told of the ‘fact’ that there’s life on Mars, it will be so readily become a known fact. Or maybe there is life on Mars and the media has not told of it as ‘fact’?
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Rafalution
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 11:42 am
SOAK: Good post, & good points made. I for one – being an OOT (indeed, out of country) – cannot fathom the hatred that the UK press has for (a) LFC and (b) that gentleman & great manager, Rafael Benitez.
I spent 7 years in London (as Saffas tend to do) & I know how the press works in the UK. They hound you, they trash you & then they (attempt) to ruin you. Maybe one of you genuine Scousers can make me undertsnad the hatred for all things Liverpool?
I’ve been trawling the broadsheets daily (Times, Telegraph, Guardian etc) to see what the journos think of the WC, and in particular SA (being very patriotic & wanting to see good things written). Well, the way they have lambasted Ingerlund, and then promptly change their tune when they win – regardless of a scrappy 1-0 or a 5-0 – makes me ill. And it reminds me so much of their coverage of all things Liverpool FC. Fucking stinks.
As FS quoted in an earlier post, this is to the UK press and anti-Rafa brigade (and sorry if it comes accross as blasphemy): ‘Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they have done’.
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Rafalution
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 11:53 am
…I know, I know. The rumours drive us all mad. But one rag says ‘Hodgson is flying home early to sign a contract to become LFC manager’, and then Sly states 30 mins later that LFC are looking at Rijkaard.
Also saw that Jovanovic might not joining us (heading to Rafa and Inter instead?) as there is a clause in his ‘pre-contract’ agreement.
Wish we could sign that bloke from Denmark, Dagger’s partner at the back – Simon Kjaer from Palermo. Class act indeed, and we were ‘linked’ with him at one point (when Rafa was in charge, a couple of weeks ago).
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 12:18 pm
It’s hard to explain lads, but, well…
Look at what LB said last night…
It’s a syptom of our society really. The media has going down the pan over quite a few years, and alarmingly down in the last few. It’s like the whole thing rolls along, like some huge out of control runaway train.
One mistake SOAK makes is to think that these people are accomplished journalists or experts. Some of them can barely string two words together, let alone two thoughts.
Like you say Rafalution, they swing madly from one opinion to the next in the course of minutes, but some of them can actually do it in one sentence.
Stan Collymoore is particullary good at this. Listen to one of his after game phone in’s for a good laugh. But be warned, take it as a laugh because if you take it in anyway seriously, you will kick your PC in.
And okay. That’s a bad example because we all know poor Stanley Victor is somewhat mentally challenged. But it’s not harmless. He reaches a huge audience (mainly more stupid than him) and he does have a big influence on them.
His bosses aren’t daft though. In fact, they are very clever manipulative men who are on a mission. And the only aim of that mission is to make as much money as possible for their paper, tv or radio station. They know they can do that by playing to the idiots and whipping up as much hype/hysteria as possible.
To qoute Paul Weller…
“The public gets what the public wants.”
And that’s the key really, for the most part, it’s idiots playing to even bigger idiots. But sadly these idiots love the sound of their own voice, so make the most noise, and then say they are speaking for all of us… me and you included.
But then there’s the clever ones, read some of Henry Winter’s stuff. He’s a clever man, but he absolutely hates Liverpool with a passion. He uses his cleverness to bend and twist everything into an anti-Liverpool stance and to bend and twist less knowledgable people into agreeing with him.
There’s a lot of these type of journalists. The reasons are multi-fold but they usually fall into 2 catergories…
1: Man Utd lovers
2: Scouse/Liverpool haters.
The anti-Scouse thing in this country is still here. It’s still perfectly okay to say things about natives of Liverpool that would see you in court if you said it about anyone else. It’s a form of racism. There’s no real logic to it. It’s just a long standing, even historical thing, that probably goes back to the days when Liverpool was a predominantly Irish city.
It’s strange, but I think it’s because Liverpool faces out on the world and has it’s back to England. Sounds silly, but we’ve always been closer to Dublin and New York across the sea and ocean than we have to Manchester just down the road.
There’s far far more to it than that. And it’s too complicated to explain here. But it’s the way is. It’s not some mad paranoia. We really are disliked in lots of quarters. Not so much nowadays. In fact, people who go to the city usually like it and the people, but it’s sort of ingrained. It stems from the same sort of racism/xenophobia and myth that done for Rafa.
Then there’s the people with an axe to grind. The likes of Bascombe and Souness. Just bitter people who want to lash out, because of their own failings really.
Then you have to remember, people are dependent on this for their wages. Why do they pay the likes of Redknapp and Whelan… not for thier insight and expertise, that’s for sure.
And I could go on and on, but instead I’ll say we do have our friends to. Not many, but we do have them… try reading things by Brian Reade, Rory Smith in the English media, or Dion Fanning in the Irish. These lads are on our side. That’s not to say, they spout positive propoganda. They criticise when it’s called for, but at least they don’t fall in line with the sheep and the witch hunts.
And that’s probably the umberella that covers it all… they may have their own personal reasons for being so anti-LFC, but they are mainly lazy sheep who just fall in line and take the easy path.
It’s much harder to think independently and go against the grain.
Which actually takes me back to LB’s comments… I don’t like cricket meself. I don’t even understand the game. Therefore, I don’t watch it or listen to any commentaries. But I understand perfectly why the commentary, analysis and punditry of the game are far superior to football.
The game is free of the hype and circus that surrounds football. It is played to proper fans who understand the game. Mind you, even with my limited knowledge of the game and everything surrounding it, I’ve seen little downward swings in that game and rugby… another sign of the times, and probably the persuit of bigger money.
Sad, but I suppose all you can do is refuse to be one of the sheep.
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axchoice
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 2:31 pm
FS,
It’s good that you’ve tried to explain the anti-Liverpool agenda, which has baffled me for so many years.
As for the anti-Rafa brigade, the reasons I can think of are:
(1) Rafa is a foreigner. Look how the press have treated Sven and now Capello (until the last England win). They’ve always got that English superiority about them (which makes me want England to be knocked out ASAP in any major tournament), living in 1966 continually.
(2) Rafa doesn’t sing their tune. Unlike Maureen the Special Needs One whose arrogance and good looks combined make good headlines (e.g. his spats with Wenger, Rafa and Fergie), Rafa doesn’t give them what they’ve been looking for. No boastings pre-match, treating every opponent with respect, and the simple “on game at a time” response to almost every question they had tried to bait him with. He’s turned to facts when responding to the constant hounding regarding (e.g. about zonal marking), which is not what they’ve been looking for.
Moreover, the classic quote “If you make mistakes in your reporting, will you be sacked?” to the reporters this season only serves to intensify their hatred.
(3) His humble and unassuming nature has somehow made them hate him more. Every opportunity at character assassination such as bad man management due to his ‘cold’ approach (funny how they didn’t say the same thing about Capello until maybe a few weeks back), losing his cool during his ‘rant’ at Fergie. The Alonso and Arbeloa example hits him hard on his professionalism as a manager, which I think is unfair since he has got the best out of them during their time in Liverpool and obtain significant transfer fees from them when they have departed.
To sum it all, they tried to paint his “bad tactical acumen”, highlighting for example (i) the rotational policy and (ii) the rather methodical approach in using his subs around the 60th minute during games.
As highlighted by Tomkins, Rafa has got the best winning ratio to games for all Liverpool managers after Dalglish and yes, even better than Shankly and maybe Paisely (if my memory serves me right).
But they would even want to rob him of his achievements using their lies, saying he has left a weak squad for the next manager to inherit, despite Liverpool having at least 12 players (13 if you consider Javanovic) in this World Cup, even more than Man U, Arsenal & Chelsea.
And those fans who say he is a bad manager should simply look at themselves in the mirror and ask if you are fair to him. You are no different from the press in my opinion.
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LondonBarnes
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 2:34 pm
Good post FS,
There is an interesting article by Roy Hodgson here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8756348.stm
Not earth shattering by any means but interesting nonetheless.
With regards the cricket FS, you make a good point about the fact it doesn’t have the hype that football does and therefore has good quality commentary etc delivered to the proper fans. I had a think as well and notice that the majority of the writers actually played the game and to a fairly decent if not elite level. These guys seem to be a lot more intelligent than ex footballers and I get the impression they perceive the watching public to have more intelligence compared to how football ‘experts’ perceive the general public. I am not saying that people who watch cricket are more intelligent than people who watch football. But when I read a cricket article I get the impression the writer has assumed I have a decent level of intelligence. When I read most football articles I get the impression the writer is taking me for a moron. I hope I’m being clear here.
Another thing is the cricket pundits will regularly have a difference of opinion with each other. Many times Botham will disagree with David Gower or Nasser Hussain will disagree with Michael Atherton. Sometimes one of them will have an opinion and all the others will think it nonsense. However they will still afford air time to that difference of opinion that goes against the grain. Very rarely (if at all) do I see that on Gillett soccer Saturday! They all toe the party line. They all share the same bollocks point of view. You’d get more sense out of drunk fans in a pub than these so called experts.
I’m not into Rugby so I don’t know how that is. Most other sports I’m into are more individual like Tennis, F1 and Athletics so its very different and probably cant be compared.
I might get slaughtered for this but I am sure when Jamie Redknapp first got his job as a pundit on Sky he went against the grain. I actually liked his analysis. He seemed more in touch with modern players and the game itself. After a few months however he became one of the worse on there. Now I scramble for the remote at half and fulltime.
What I find amazing is the way the bullshit is lapped up by the majority of people. It’s staggering, but I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. The Sun has the highest circulation of all newspapers in the UK. What does that say about our society?
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 3:09 pm
Well, that’s just how it is lads. Nothing we can really do about it except refuse to be taken in by it.
I remember when all this started to be honest, back in the times of Queen Victoria they…
Nah, but even that corny line has some truth in it and I remember mentioning it in here…
The letter sent to the London Police by “Jack The Ripper” has recently been exposed as a hoax by the editor of a London tabloid paper.
When the Ripper was killing people, the circulation of the paper shot through the roof. So, they became more and more lurid in reporting it. But when the murders suddenly stopped, the paper’s sales plummeted.
So, the editor along with a couple of journalists sent the infamous letter. You probably all know of it somewhere along the line…
Hello, this is Jack.
And it went on about cutting a piece of the woman off and eating it. Well, that recently got found out to be what it was… invented by the editor of the London Evening News (I think that was the paper) to keep up sales.
I seen a documentary about it… was it condemning the editor, the paper, and the state of journalism?
Was it bollacks. It was reported as a bit of genius by the editor. But the fact is, they reckon that letter messed up the police inquiry, helped the actual killer stay free, and probably cost a few women’s lives.
And I know speaking of this seems bonkers, but I remember trying to warn people about the Great British Journalism and it’s grand tradition.
Oh well, off to read the Hodgson piece. I have to laugh at these things… I haven’t mentioned him or the speculation yet, because, like I said, I’m trying to ignore all that. But as rumour’s go, here’s the most reliable of what I’ve heard…
Roy was approached above Dalglish’s head. Kenny got a cob on about it, and threatened to walk saying Roy wasn’t good enough. But Roy declined to even talk to anyone at LFC because it’s believed he’s hanging on to see if he can kop for the Ingurlund job.
It’s from a pretty reliable source, but like I said the other day, I’m taking no notice of anything until I know it’s fact…
And the facts I know about Roy, he’s a nice man. HE meets the media criteria… English and will play the game, part of the LMA, or as it’s known, the old boy’s club of British managers. He’s done a great job at Fulham – keeping a mid table team consistently in mid-table, usually even looking to qualify in the lower UEFA Cup spots, except for last year when they went on a run to the final and it proved too much for them to fight on more than one front.
Are they really the qualifications needed to replace Rafa and guide LFC through this time – the most troubled time in it’s history?
Well, not for me, but I’m sure there’s lots of people who could easily spin it to their liking?
And after all that drivel, what I came into say…
Stewards have snatched another “Save Liverpool Hicks & Gillette Out” banner from from our fans at the World Cup.
Another thing the media and authorities are very good at… censorship.
Oh well, that’s 2 down. But there’s another 3 large professionally made ones to go, and there’s apparently lots of people making little ones. They might rip them up if they get the chance, and they mightn’t show them on telly or report on them in the papers, but they can’t silence us all.
And in truth, it just makes me more determined to fight them.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 3:14 pm
PS… LB, I meant to say this all really started in the early 70′s – yep, when the Sun came out.
The Daily Mirror used to be the working class man’s paper. It was from a left slant. It had about 20 pages of actual news and politics, a one page telly guide, a few horse racing pages, a few general sports pages, and about 4 or 5 pages of football. And a page of cartoon strips, crosswords and puzzles to while away a working lad’s skyving time in the karsy at work.
The Sun came out, and suddenly the mirror was full of bingo, celebrity gossip and tits and arses.
Fair play on the lady’s wobbly bits, but not in a serious daily newspaper.
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LondonBarnes
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
UK media are xenophobic – especially the football media. Traditional British methods are always best until it becomes so obvious it is not. When Wenger came to Arsenal he was ridiculed. His immediate success bought him respect. Every now and then though when there is opportunity he’ll get his fair share of disrespect. Compare his record with Fat Sam or Harry Redknapp then think of the 3 who gets more respect in the British media. Then you have Rafa, Capello, Sven etc etc. Sven was slaughtered for doing no worse than every English manager since Alf Ramsey in 1966.
You have to hand it to Mourinho – he knew how to handle the British media. It helped that he was very successful. The media had nothing to work with really and before it went really pear shaped he left Chelsea. Jose has full command of the English language – that always helps as well. He can fully express himself and make more sense than even the British managers. The English have this thing in our culture where we take the piss out of broken English in a foreign accent. So after some awful displays Rafa comes out to face the media and cannot fully express himself properly. The media jump on it and frustrated fans jump on that. This can make a very good manager seem as though he doesn’t know what he is doing.
You watch a Capello interview and you wonder how on earth he can convey messages to the players if he can’t speak basic English in a press conference. Thus totally ignoring the fact he has won honours in different countries and dealt with superstars of all nationalities.
Regarding British methods always being best. It makes me laugh that all English pundits think we shouldn’t be playing 4-4-2 in the world cup. Not too long ago if you played anything but 4-4-2 they’d consider you a clown. “The players are used to 4-4-2, it’s what they do every week, why has he got them playing 3 at the back!?” 1 striker was considered a negative tactic. Rafa was slaughtered for this. Now Fergie plays it every week it’s a master stroke and Capello should adopt the same tactic. Lol. Dear oh dear.
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timmytorres
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 5:56 pm
The difference between irish tv and british tv
Got this in an email, it’s pretty funny. Was flicking between the two channels myself yesterday, and the difference between the two panels is mad!
Well, Gary Lineker had good news for the English nation yesterday, telling them the BBC’s sources had reliably informed him Stevie would be playing through the middle against Slovenia, “at the head of the diamond”.
Lineker, Hansen, Shearer and Lee Dixon then based their entire pre-match analysis on their source’s disclosure, which was unfortunate because the information was thoroughly incorrect.
Roy Hodgson tried to warn them, insisting Stevie would, most probably, play on the left, but Lee Dixon hoped, trusted and prayed he was wrong.
“If he’s playing on the left today we should all pack up and go home,” he sighed.
Match time. Stevie on the left. Lee dusting down his rucksack. But wait, goal. England. Up and running?
Half-time. Fantasy World Cup Punditry, all of them in the one studio. Ready?
Hansen: “Once England got the goal the confidence levels surged, they were excellent.”
Eamon Dunphy: “They just didn’t grow in confidence at all after the goal.”
What a shower!
Lineker: “The goal really settled them, didn’t it? They pushed on from there.”
Ronnie Whelan: “You’d think they’d have kicked on from when they scored, but they actually got worse.”
Roy: “England’s crossing has been absolutely outstanding.”
Giles: “Some of the crossing was just awful.”
Shearer: “Rooney looks more confident, he’s getting around the pitch a lot better.”
Dunphy: “It’s shocking to see Rooney so subdued, he’s been reduced to a shivering wreck.”
Shearer: “They look much more comfortable on the ball, they’re passing it with a purpose, with pace, they’re closing down – a much better performance, it’s encouraging.”
Giles: “They’re much better than they have been, but they couldn’t have been worse.”
No arguments, then. Second half. England held on. Full-time. Ready?
Lee Dixon: “A great performance.”
Dunphy: “Shocking . . . absolutely incredibly bad . . . pretty awful stuff.”
Hansen: “The commitment was there, the spirit was there, the enterprise was there, the creativity was there, they passed it better – they could have scored five or six quite easily. Capello will obviously be delighted with the performance.”
Giles: “If that’s the shackles off what’ll they be like when the shackles are back on?”
’Arry Redknapp: “We played with pace, we got after them, we pressed them, there wasn’t a weakness in the team.”
Dunphy: “They were astonishingly poor.”
Lineker: “He looked more like the Rooney we know.”
Ronnie: “Rooney is a major worry, his form, his body language, his demeanour, everything.”
Dixon: “Gerrard was outstanding.”
Dunphy: “I can’t believe how bad Gerrard was today.”
’Arry: “Across midfield we were top drawer.”
Giles: “Barry got worse as the game went on, Milner, Gerrard and Lampard the same.”
’Arry: “Bring it on! Whoever we play we’ll be difficult to beat.”
Ronnie: “If they don’t improve they’ll go straight out, it was a very, very inept performance.”
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 #509 |
Aitch
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 6:18 pm
Two things really annoy me about the Hodgson article…
…and I’m not directing that annoyance at Hodgson, they are ideas/notions I’ve heard spouted a number of times in the last week since the “Terry Revolt”
1. “At a World Cup, players are in a cage, albeit a luxurious one. They cannot lead their normal lives and are away from their families, friends, wives, girlfriends and children. Of course, it is nice to be at a World Cup but when you are out there taking part in one, then the reality hits home. The players have long days with very little training, are totally immersed in football and are living on their own in a hotel room miles from anywhere. “As a manager, you are dealing with young men, often with young families, who are getting phone calls from their children saying ‘Daddy, I miss you, when are you coming back home?’
“You try to keep those players happy and motivated but you cannot divorce the human side of things from football because a footballer is a human being. We can be harsh on players. Just because they have a particular skill does not make them machines. We need to give them allowances for the fact they might have other things going on in their life.”
But a couple of things about that…
a. They do know if they go all the way its something like 30 days away from home, right?
In a luxury hotel, right?
And that we have a SHITLOAD of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who’ve been NOT staying in luxury hotels, NOT having their needs catered to, and getting fuckin SHELLED and SHOT AT…
…and have been there for multiple tours of duty amounting to months on end, and in some cases more than a year
Maybe one of those “only so many movies they can watch” should be one of the dozen or so excellent documentaries about the hardships these young lads have to endure for their country, on a yearly salary that doesn’t even amount to one week of an International Footballers.
How anyone can respect any of them when they read stuff like that is absolutely beyond me…
…but again, indicative of the society we now live in.
2. “”When I was manager of Switzerland, I did the usual thing, providing games rooms for the players and allowing visits from wives and so on as much as I could. You provide what you can, in terms of entertainment, but how many films can you watch and how many card games can you play? The longer you go on, the harder it is, so it is very important that the chemistry in the group is right.”
They understand it’s a fuckin JOB right?
They do realize that?
I mean yeah, yeah, represent your country, playing a game… but it’s a fuckin JOB!
And one you get handsomely paid for.
Here’s an idea…
…how about watching some of the other games…
…maybe get a heads up on the competition you might be facing in the next games?
…That’s a minimum 6 hours per day right there…
… add that to your grueling 2-3 hour training session, drop in a few hours here and there for a breaky, a lunch, and a dinner…
…and I challenge you to find enough time left in the day, to watch a fuckin movie or play a video game!
How people can swallow these things up without thinking about it is annoying enough, but here’s another little thought for you.
I took 1 hour a day over a 6- 12 month period, to practice hitting the ball with my “weaker foot” and got to the point where I can almost twat a 25yarder, as well as with left as with my “stronger” right foot.
I then dedicated that 1 hour a day over a 3-4 month period to practice taking left foot curlers from 18-25 yard free-kick positions.
I did that coz I recognized that when we got a “righty” there were 3 or 4 lads arguing over who should take it, but when we got a “lefty” everyone walked away from it.
The following season I scored 3 goals from those free-kicks.
I did all this at a late age… you know the age long past which they’ll tell you “if you haven’t learned, it you won’t” and past which they suggest that you “can’t teach an old dog new tricks.”
… and more importantly I’m not a professional with fuck-all else to do all day, but play football…
…I’m a fuckin rank-amateur with barely a whisker of the skill and natural ability of some of these lads, and I made that time around my sometimes much longer than 40 hour per week work schedule…
…as opposed to … errr… you know…
… hanging around in hotels feeling lonely, I guess!
I guess you gotta really wonder…
… if football players annoy me that much, why the fuck do I spend so much of my time following the fuckin sport??????
…also interesting how all that “miss the family” stuff came from John Terry…
…the man who missed his wife so much, he shagged his teammates girlfriend!
Yet not one Journo picked up on it… they just ran with the poor heroic JT story…
Nice!
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 #510 |
Aitch
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 6:22 pm
timmy, that’s fuckin CLASSIC lad!
If football punditry was a pre-teen boy, they’d be putting it on a healthy prescription of Ridellin for its bipolar disorder!
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 #511 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 6:30 pm
Couldn’t agree more, LB. And except for the damage it does, it’s really quite funny.
I tell you the one I like… Passion!
Fuckinell, you hear it that much form pundits and fans alike, that you might aswell just read one of them Mills & Boone books.
It used to do my head in…
“Well, yeah Stan, passion. That’s wha us Ingurlish r’ all abart… Passion, mate. Passion. Play for der bloody shirt wid some passion.”
I remember they near blew a gasket when Rafa was first learning the language and said he pulled Gerrard off for “playing with too much passion.”
He just used the silly buzz word he’d heard them all saying, but what he really meant was… Gerrard was running round like a headless chicken, trying to kick lumps out of everyone, so he yanked him before he got carded or sent off.
And never mind that Lucas came on with a clear head and won the game for us. It was criminal that Johnny bloody Foriegner didn’t understand Good Old Ingurlush passion.
It’s like watching Dad’s Army (Which I love cos it’s funny) but when they say “They don’t like it up ‘em, old Johnny Foriegner,” they actually mean it.
It’s a shame really. As you said, the commentaries are now so bad that it’s affecting my enjoyment of the World Cup. But we’re not alone on that. I know loads of lads who can’t watch because of this constant mind numbing drivel.
It really is a shame. I don’t hate me own country or it’s people. Far from it. I can’t get into all that melarkey meself, but I love to see the people happy, especially the kids, when England win. The other afternoon straight after the game the kid was full of happy kids, singing, chanting, playing footy. Except for the kids blowing vuvuzellas, I done the same thing in 66.
But the shite that surrounds it… The awful bloody xenophobic fans and media, the hype, the circus, it’s quite sickening. And I dread to think of them winning it. Not that they will, but can you imagine it… Arise Sir Wayne of Norris Green. Arise Sir Brave John Terry of Quim. Arise Sir Rio of Beak.
It doesn’t bear thinking about. But I’m glad you mentioned one thing there LB…
Not that he’ll ever get any credit for it, but the way Rotation, Zonal Marking, and some of Rafa’s tic-tacs have become the done thing at most leading clubs.
I said it in an earlier post mate, and I honestly believe it…
some time in the future, when all the dust has settled on this, someone, somewhere, will sit and analysis Rafa’s time at the club. And, when they see what he actually accomplished, especially under this regime and against all the odds, they’ll probably scratch their head and never be able to understand why this happened.
It’s a crying shame really. But oh well, roll on Sunday and them Germins…
the spirit of 66 and Mooreo, the memory of Sir Bobby, the blood of Butcher, the tears of Gazza, the sweat of Shearer, the passion of Pyscho, the promise of the Golden Generation…
and then we get beat and that shower of useless shit have let them nasty Germin’s rob all the sunbeds again headlines.
Laughable but oh so bloody sickening.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 6:37 pm
The thing is Timmy… the Irish punditry is no way any better, but at least it’s a bloody good laugh.
I love Dunphy going on a rant, and then the arguments it kicks off.
No less sensationalist cack, but at least it’s funny cack.
A side note…
England are bloody lucky they finished second an got the Germans. They are much more suited to playing them, and the eyes of all the mong fans will be averted to the truth because they are playing the old Enemy… For Harry, St George and Ingurlund, and all that shit.
The Ghanaians would have probably leathered them. I just can’t see them coping with that type of football.
But then it’s probably only a brief reprieve, because if they get through…
It’s the other old Enemy, “them bloody Argies.”
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 #513 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 6:53 pm
Oh well, talking of stereotypes. The Dutch are on in a minute… so it’s off to make a pancake and shmoke.
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 #514 |
ron the red
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 7:00 pm
Just heard the Radio City interview with Rafa.
The esteem I have for this man just keeps on
growing.
I’m writing these few lines in tears. He closed
by saying that he is going to Italy to work…
that he is not selling his house because
Merseyside is his family home now.
You’re a legend Rafa, maybe one day you will
return to manage again Liverpool FC. You have
unfunished business here. God bless you and your
family.
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 #515 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 7:45 pm
FS I’m actually watching Agger’s Denmark playing Japan, as Holland are definitely thru and Cameroon out.
And I can see why this Keisuke Honda (playing in Belgium) has been at one point linked to Liverpool. He was involved and scored the winner against Cameroon and now he’s just scored a cracking free-kick against the Danes. Quite similar to that freekick by Shunsuke Nakamura of Celtic fame, when he scored it against the Scum in Old Toilet in a Champions League game a few years back.
Maybe Yokohama or Hyde (if they’re still around) will fill us in better concerning him.
Anyway, I write in glee that both finalists of 2006 have now both crashed out at the bottom of their respective groups. Both play depressing football and had whingy egos (not unlike England).
To add insult to injury to Italy losing to Slovakia (Skrtel made a stunning goal-line clearance), New Zealand finished above them, and unbeaten to boot.
I hope to see NZ again 4 years later, and I hope they learn from their rugby union counterparts and do the Haka prior to kick off.
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 #516 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 7:59 pm
What a man, that Rafa.
I hope someone can get the entire transcript of that interview.
Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but I just have a feeling after 1-2 years, where Hodgson, whom to his credit keeps the ship steady but doesn’t achieve much, leaves after the fucking Yanks have been kicked out by the fans, and gives way to Rafa, who returns triumphant after seeing off his 2-yr contract with Inter, winning Serie A and Champions League medals along the way to once again continue his project for Liverpool.
And this time he’ll have full financial backing. By then most of the anti-Rafa cunts would have been embarrassed into silent submission, as Hodgson’s failed regime proved their support of the Yanks decision to be idiotic and delusional, as well as cancerous to the club.
But for now, this is but a dream.
The Yanks must be gotten rid of no matter the cost. Pressure must continued to be heaped on them and those that allow them to continue their rape of the club, like the banks and the sponsors.
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 #517 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 24, 2010 @ 9:45 pm
I’ve been watching bits of the World Cup Kinny. It’s a shame that I can’t get into it, because there’s been some really good games and great performances by some individual players.
The ironic thing is, because of the World Cup and me grandkids, who are having a sleepover, I missed the Rafa interview. But it’s bound to be on the Radio City website soon, and I have had a few reports on it.
I won’t ruin it for the people who want to listen by saying what I know, but I should say this because it’s part of the fight…
Apparently, Rafa said it was Purslow who called him and fired the final bullet.
So, if anyone is still under any delusion that he’s not a snake like the rest of them, I hope that’s enough to prove that’s it…
It’s all of them, H&G, Ayer, Boughtman, Purslow. Our club is infested with vermin and parasites. Between the lot of them, they will suck this club dry if we don’t stand up and fight.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 12:18 am
I still haven’t heard any of the Rafa interview. But, due to the revelations by Rafa that Purslow fired the original bullet, I think we need to ratchet this up and go for them both – Purslow as well as Broughton.
The Premiere League have answered a few of the Broughton letters. I haven’t had one meself, but I’ll cut and paste on in here and I’m going to reply to them anyway.
I haven’t worked it out yet, but I’m going to add the person answering the letters – Rachel Pallant, Supporter Relations Executive – to the list of recipients.
I’m going to thank them for answering my original letter, but tell them that it just won’t do.
I’m going to angle it from the fact that a man, Purslow – who was hired with only one remit, to bring in outside investment – has just forced our manager out of the club and I’d like some sort of explanation from them, the Premiere League and the club, as to how this can happen in such circumstances, leaked through the newspapers, while the manager was on holiday and the majority of the club’s fans still wanted him as the manager.
And I’m going to say, that after carefully considering the reply, I still think, as the governing body of all Premiere clubs, they, the Premier League, need to investigate what is actually happening at our club – as nothing whatsoever has been forthcoming from the club itself.
And due to Broughton’s answer to a fan’s email – that it was he, not Purslow, that fired Rafa – I’d like some sort of explanation as to what’s actually at happening at our club, what are Broughton’s and Purslow’s actual jobs, what exactly is in their job description, and who is doing exactly what at the club.
I’ll harp on a bit about The Corinthians, and H&G’s other sporting franchises, especially how the Texas Rangers are being deliberately ran into bankruptcy by Hicks, and demand that they, the Premiere League, again as the governing body, must take a look into the actual state of Liverpool FC as it seems they are in very real jeopardy of losing one of the main stays of their organisation.
I’ll get to work on that now. But I felt I had to post this first, and drum up some support.
I know it’s a pain in the arse. I hate doing it meself. I used to just come in here just to have a laugh. But I’ve got no choice now. And if you want to stop these fuckers destroying our club – neither do you.
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Rafalution
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 9:43 am
Talking about the ‘experts’ on the telly for this WC. I think we are fairly fortunate with Supersport over here. One of the main presenters is Robert Marawa, who is a huge Liverpool fan. 2 of the ‘experts’ are Johny Barnes & Boude Zenden, so at least the LFC players are getting a fair cop.
Anyway, totally agree with LB: the UK press are totally xenophobic, and it is so blatant it makes your ballbag tingle! As FS said, Sven was no worse than Keegan or that fella with the umbrella. But you still get the press (& fans posting) saying ‘bring in an English manager’. Who the fuck? Fat Sam, or tax-doger Arry? Are the Liverpool board also thinking along these lines? I mean, McLeish from B’ham? Are you serious?
Even the blokes who wanted Rafa out must surely admit: with Hodgson, O’Neill, whoever replacing Rafa, it will be taking 1 step forward (mmmm?), 3 steps back. Who the fuck do we replace him with? Answer me that? To all those pricks saying ‘sack Rafa & bring in The Special One, he will save us’. Fuck you all, you stupid morons. Where is Mourinho now? Where is your Huddink, your Van Gaal? Idiots…
Rant over, but a part of me died the day Rafa was sacked & I look forward to his second coming (yeah, I’m an eternal optimist). The 2 cancerous pricks, Broughton, Purslow, the whole lot of them…just piss off please.
Any chance someone can post a link of that Rafa interview?
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Fat Scouser
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 10:24 am
I’ll dig up a link to the interview later. I’m mad busy right now and have to dash. But I had to let you all know this before I go….
Rafa has donated an undisclosed sum to build a community centre in the area where the young lad, Rhys the Evertonian, was shot and killed.
It’s only came out because the lad’s mam has told it, as she wanted to know what a lovely gesture Rafa had made.
And fuckin bankers and wankers got this man the sack… makes me near puke everytime I think of it. But despite the treachery, the man hasn’t abandoned the community.
Good job I’ve got to go, because I’m raging every time I think about it and I’d only go on a rant.
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 #521 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 11:00 am
FS, just seen that Rafa donation on Paul Tomkins tweeter thingy/site/whatever. 3rd donation, and he hasn’t gone out and advertised the fact. Top man, fecking legend. Oh how he will be missed, in more ways than one!
Oh, and I also got the link to that final intergview off this twitter malarkey:
http://www.radiocity.co.uk/article.asp?id=1852338
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 #522 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 12:23 pm
that link doesn’t seem to work. Keep clicking on the listen or play button and nothing happens.
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 #523 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 12:32 pm
Yip, sorry. I’ll ‘twitter’ Tomkins & see if we can get a working link. Unless FS can come up with something?
Some WC humour…
This World Cup has turned out like WW2: The French surrendered early, the USA arrive last minute, the Italians couldn’t do anything and England are left to fight the Germans!!
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 #524 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 12:57 pm
That should read ‘tweet’.
Sorry to hog the blog, but this guy was posting comments on twitter whilst The Interview was on:
http://twitter.com/gueriza
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 #526 |
STW P. Brabbs
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 8:00 pm
Watching the Chile-Spain match – Alonso looks fantastic. Passing as accurate as ever, and seems to have assumed quite a degree of leadership on the pitch.
Torres, on the other hand, looks a disgrace. I can understand that his touch is off after the layoff, but the blatant simulation to have the Chilean player sent off is embarrassing, to put it quite mildly.
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 #527 |
An Linn
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 8:46 pm
I been thinking about the letter writing to the premier league, would it be an idea to create a petition(online or otherwise) to demand that they appoint a public auditor or otherwise investigate Liverpool’s finances etc..
Because they are a goverment body – I remember hearing that if enough people sign a petition the government have to act – (that last part might be complete bollocks- not that up on British law)
Would still be a good way to follow up the initial letters and it could be posted in the papers as well
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 #528 |
An Linn
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 9:07 pm
Or how about a full page public letter / notice printed in all (except one) the papers listing our grievances with the current management, (or even do it as an advertisement) – people will have to take notice then.
We could the newspapers Anti-Foreign, Xenaphobic tendancies into our advantage i.e. Johhny Foreigner ruining a beloved British Institution
Cant say I read the British newspapers but that seems to be true
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 #530 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 25, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
#526, simulation? Torres was clipped, accidently IMHO.
However it’s nice to see our supporters labeling our world class striker as a disgrace.
Keep up the good work.
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 #531 |
rome77
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 12:08 am
According to Ayres
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 #532 |
rome77
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 12:26 am
Anyway as i was saying according to Ayres this new Liverpool kit is the fastest selling kit ever ?
So how come i’ve only seen 3 in the last month and 2 of them was on a couple of 3 year old twins.
Today i was asked if i wanted to order one,and when i said no the girl behind the counter asked if its because of the boycott. She even new about the Standards Corrupted shirts from what other customers had told her.
So from what i can see its all marketing propaganda or BS in other words.
YNWA
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 #533 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 1:25 am
Lurgan, Torres was clipped accidentally. But he laid there as if he’d been shot for 2 minutes after. Don’t know if he got the player sent off though. The ref saw it immediately and had enough of the player. He should have been sent off earlier. Anyway Torres looked well rusty and no where near 100% fit.
Spain’s goals were class. Chile played some lovely football at times.
Our new away kit does look nice lads.
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 #534 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 11:43 am
@Rome77 Seen that in the echo. Think your dead right. Pure propaganda. It must be a complete and utter lie from Ayres. With whats going on with the boycotting there is no way this can be the fastest selling LFC kit in history.
Typical of whats going on at the club at the moment. Lies, lies and more damn lies.
I think we can all see what Ayres is trying to do. By announcing this he is trying to diminish and belittle our campaign of boycotting. Hoping people will get disheartened and say “ah fuck it, it aint working i’ll just buy the kit”.
Well fuck off Ayres. It is your blatant transparency that aint working. They must think were fucking idiots.
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 #535 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 12:49 pm
True enough LB, but Torres didn’t know if it was intentional or not and I didn’t see any somersaults, half-pikes, or Fosbury flop etc.
To label him a disgrace for that, for me, is not on. A sign of the times, again, I suppose.
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 #536 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 12:57 pm
Alright lads have been extremly busy lately but i did make time to send off the letters and e-mails so far.
At least we`re being noticed with replys from Lowry and the premier league.
Just waiting on the Fat man now for the next course of action which looks like a reply again to the premier league before we hit the MP`s.
Keep up the good work lads.
Rome i agree with you there it has to be a PR stunt from Ayres theres no way the jerseys will sell that well.Even the dumbest LFC “FANS” i know are at least boycotting the merchandise.
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 #537 |
STW P. Brabbs
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
Sorry Lurgan, I did get a bit carried away. As an American, I still have a hard time with the rolling around on the ground act. Surely, the man is as classy a player as they come.
I was careful to say that Torres LOOKED a disgrace after that display, but yeah, even that was probably too strong a choice of words. There was a bit of contact, but once he felt it was up to him take a two-footed leap into the air. I’ve seen him keep his feet after much, much worse. And, as LB said – surely he didn’t need to make quite so much a meal of it after.
More broadly, I sometimes get frustrated with Torres’ practice of exaggerating certain calls, because I think he’s got the strategy all wrong. He’s an honest striker in that when he thinks he’s got a real chance at goal he’ll generally keep his feet amidst all manner of abuse, yet when he really doesn’t have much to work with he’ll go to ground easily to try to convince the referee. And because he does the latter, sometimes I think he is less likely to get the legitimate calls in the former case – he doesn’t end up getting the protection he deserves. Ultimately, he’s a tough guy that absorbs a lot of physicial abuse, but I don’t think he does himself any favors with the kind of thing he pulled in the Chile match.
Apologies for the word ‘disgrace’ though. Cooler heads, etc.
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 #538 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 5:45 pm
STW, no harm done mucker, I was probably a bit too headstrong meself.
I do agree that FT took advantage of the situation but I usually associate the word disgrace, in this context, with Dropba and Fallnaldo, so that’s what got my back up.
As I said no harm done and no need to apologise.
BTW, how feckin’ good was Honda the other night. I remember him being linked to the Reds and I could see why.
Also, the Chilean’s technique is first class, although their discipline leaves a lot to be desired. Gonzalez was a pest on their left wing. I wish that he could have played for us
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 #539 |
JackHill
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 6:29 pm
I am waiting for July 7th this year.
Why? – because on that date I am led to believe that the Reds will be taken over by some very rich Arabs hailing from the Emirates.
Like most of you I really hope that this is true,but it is like waiting for Armageddon.
Any comment FS ?
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 #540 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 8:12 pm
Jack there is rumours flying all around the net about this.I think there just that,rumours.
We`ve had too many false dawns at this stage to get too excited so i wouldn`t expect anything concrete Jack sir.
I`m sure a red who has seen it all from the bad days of the fifties right through to this day must feel shame about how the Liverpool way has nearly died if it hasn`t already been killed.
Sad days indeed.
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 #541 |
Kopper
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 9:21 pm
Just read an article about Purslow calling Marseille chief and requesting permission to talk to Didier Deschamps as a replacement to Rafa (as if he could just be replaced).
There are quotes of the the Marseille president stating that an official request was made.
He wouldn’t be bad – I watch ligue 1 from time to time and the guy is a legend (as a player) there.
YNWA
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 #544 |
rome77
Posted on June 26, 2010 @ 10:55 pm
TT Funny video that you could see the shock on some of the faces, Clem looked like he was on the phone to the FA grassing him up “Houston we have a problem ”
And although “passion” is a supposed quality at the FA that will be the vid the media will use to get rid of him when the inevitable happens.
The inevitable been when the players dont ” PRESS THE F*CKING BALL ” and end up losing.
YNWA
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 #545 |
rome77
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 12:16 am
Thanks for that link FS been waiting to hear that. He didn’t burn any bridges nor did he get any knives out, been the gentleman he is ( i’m sure i would of if it was me ) and i get the feeling he’d come back given the right backing or maybe a fan buy out.
BTW Whats the latest on these Standards Corrupted shirts, my lads on my case.
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 #546 |
Dizzy
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 12:59 am
The approaches made for Deschamps and Pelligrini are nothing but excuses to appoint Roy “YesMan” Hodgson … They will soon be telling us, Look, we did try to contact/sign all these worldclass managers but cudnt do so… however we have got Roy!
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 #547 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 10:17 am
Thanks for sticking that in there FS.What a decent and honourable man our Rafa is.
He`ll be missed,no doubt about that.
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 #549 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
Watching the Germany v England game half-time.
When FIFA first floated the idea of using video replays to assist refereeing, representatives from the English FA were the most vocal in opposing it.
If England go out to Germany today, then Fat Lampost’s disallowed goal has now come back to haunt the FA for their narrow-mindedness.
For Germany, it will be poetic justice for that non-existent Geoff Hurst goal in 1966.
Pity the jingoistic English media now have an excuse for Germany running England ragged if England do go out today.
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 #550 |
axchoice
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 5:36 pm
Kinny,
It’s alright that they cling on to these excuses. That makes it all the more fun.
Clear headed people would see that Italy who were earlier knocked out due to a similarly controversial goal incident but didn’t complain as much.
I’m just so happy that this most overrated team of the tournament is out in a manner that will allow the Germans some form of revenge over their 5-1 mauling a few years back
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 #551 |
axchoice
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 5:40 pm
On another note, I don’t think the press would dare to question Rooney’s performance in this World Cup like how they’ve questioned Torres’ so far, even though he had a hand in both of Spain’s goals against Chile
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 #552 |
Aitch
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 7:24 pm
I don’t see any approach for any of the managers being legit.
Ask yourself this simple question…
If you were a prospective buyer, would you want them to install someone or would you want to install your own man?
I can’t see Capello keeping his England job now. (funnily enough though the FA did what G&H did, renegotiated his contract to include a severance package, even though they knew there was a good chance they’d be firing him… businessman my ARSE!)
I’d fancy Hodgson to take over the England job, so that puts him out of the running for LFC.
…which is good and bad… coz I’d rate Hodgson over fuckin Didier Deschamps???
So Steven Gerrard is 28… and he’s just lost his last shot at a World Cup medal.
His club is in financial disarray…. has no manager… and will be playing in the Europa League instead of the Champions League…
…does he stay or does he go???
I guess we’ll find out soon enough
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 #553 |
Bulgar
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 8:00 pm
Watching the Argentina – Mexico game. I am disgusted by the refereeing for the first goal. The whole world sees the obvious offside, the stadium sees it on a repeat on the big screen and still the goal stands. This is ruining the game for me, I really feel like not watching.
I only bring this up here because ref cock-ups like this one happened all too often against Liverpool this past season.
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 #554 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 10:06 pm
Sorry I haven’t been in for a couple of days lads. I’ve been busy, working and I spent some time with my family and watching a bit of footy.
But something’s came up that you all need to know…
Christan Purslow has been trying to gag us.
Yep. His solicitors have contacted a couple of LFC fans forums threatening them.
I’ll explain it all fully when I’ve got more time, but in a nutshell…
A few people put Purslow’s home address up on these forums. Obviously someone at the top or some of their lackies are keeping an on these things for them. So they contacted the sites issuing all sorts of threats to have them shut down.
I can see some people saying it wasn’t right to put up his home address. I agree with that. It’s not. But…
The address is freely available in several places on the net. Still wrong to put it up in a place where any hot head could see it…
The last thing we want is giving them any sort of moral high ground for any reason. And that’s why the address was constantly removed by moderators when ever it was posted. And members were told not to post it… that was before the lawyers got in touch.
And the lawyers didn’t just request the address to be taken down… they threatened to shut the forums.
So, there you are…
The man who was brought into the club with only remit… bring in outside investment, has sacked the manager we wanted, leaking that through the press, and the only word we’ve heard from him is a threat issued through his lawyer.
I’ll explain things a little more tomorrow but that’s it in a nutshell and I’ll be asking you all to grab some paper and envelopes soon.
This is a big mistake on their behalf. It’s actually an out an out decleration of war on us, the fans, the only people trying to defend our club.
There’s no more pretence…
Every day it get’s worse. But at least they have shown their hand completely now. The silence is deafening.
In fact, the only thing we’ve heard from any people at our club?
1: Ian Ayer raising ticket prices, and threatening anyone who doesn’t join ALL RED, that they will lose their tickets if they don’t join at a cost of I think it’s 35 quid a season, renewable every season.
2: Martin Broughton emailing a fan back and saying the media didn’t like him as the reason why Rafa was forced out of the club.
3: Purslow’s threats through his lawyer.
No hopefully every single one of us will see these people for what they are and do our very best to get them out of our club before they completely destroy it.
Hold off on the emails and letters until I get back. We need to do this right.
I honestly wish he’d take one of us two court. Anyone could destroy him in a couple of minutes in the dock. But don’t worry, we’ll get him… and well get him legally and properly without any threats or shit slinging.
We’re getting to them lads. And I hope they just read that… Thanks to their actions there’s more and more of us getting on this. They’re starting to wobble, we need to keep pushing.
Anyway, off to bed, early start tomorrow. Night lads… a little more hope each day. We won’t stop until we force them out.
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 #555 |
ldhawan
Posted on June 27, 2010 @ 10:23 pm
Was watching the post match commentary and Barnes and co were wondering who the next generation of English players were going to be considering the major english clubs use mosly foreigners. They stressed that major english clubs need to invest in the academy more and develop young english talent. Isn’t it funny that our manager was doing just that when he got the sack? Rafa could have potentially unearthed a couple of future english talents but now we’ll never know with the new manager. Thanks yanks.. Frankly I don’t care about young english talent since I’m not from England but the club should no?
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 #557 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 10:06 am
Aitch, Gerrard is 30.
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 #559 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 2:39 pm
what a load of bollocks this situation is – just read the article, thanks FS
I’ve had a shit start to the week and this just makes it bloody worse. After reading that, i am more disgruntled and disgusted by whats going on
Why us – why is is always fucking us who has to bear the brunt of misfortune – where are the gods when we want them
The famous Liverpool is being treated like gobshite and the fuckers dont give a dam
Shame on you Moores, Parry and every other fucker who has put us in this poisiton – shame on you!
i
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 #560 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 2:43 pm
Fuck em Lurgan. They’ll never change and quite honestly, I’m beyond caring. It’s pure out and out shite.
If you want to read any sense in national newspapers about Liverpool, I’d stick to Dion Fanning in the Irish Independent mate, or there’s a little few here, worth the name journalist, meaning they don’t just spout the first shite they can think of… Rory Smith, Brian Reade and for me that’s about it.
And, if you want to read some truth and fact, quite scary horrible fact, about LFC…
http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/201005093636/fans-forgotten-troubles-extended.html/
I think that reading that should be compulsory for anyone who has any sort of interest in LFC.
It’s horrible and depressing, but it’s the truth of the matter. And after reading it, if anyone still thinks everything is going to turn out alright is quite frankly missing something.
Anyway, I’m going to make a few posts here, all just addresses and emails. We really have to get on these people, and force them into doing something about the state our club is in.
We also need to inform them of what Purslow is up to. In fact, that’s the whole point of this round of letters and emails.
I know it’s a pain in the arse lads, but it’s just a few letters and emails not much to try and save our club.
In fact, there’s only RBS, A politician, Vince Cable, Stand Chartered, the sponsors and some top cats at the Premiere League…
I’ll round them up and post them so it’s easy for everyone.
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 #561 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 2:50 pm
Sorry SA mate, I missed your post while writing.
Bad isn’t it. But as I said, I think it’s essential reading for every Red. We must stop these people.
Here’s the main fella at RBS and the main politician to go for.
I don’t want to put up a template. Individual letters and emails carry much more weight. And there’s plenty of information for everyone to use…
That article has it all, and we need to mention Purslow setting his lawyers on the clubs own fans.
So anyway, RBS and Politician…
John Hourican
Chief Executive, Global Banking and Markets
RBS
36 St Andrew Square
Edinburgh
EH2 2YB
(I’ll dig up email for RBS).
Rt Hon Dr Vincent Cable
Westminster
House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
Tel: 020 7219 1106
Fax: 020 7219 1191
[email protected]
Constituency
2a Lion Road, Twickenham, TW1 4JQ
Tel: 020 8892 0215
Fax: 020 8892 0218
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 #562 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 2:55 pm
Here’s the top cats at the Premier League. Make sure you mention Purslow and his lawyers. They’ve already been sending answers to the Broughton letters, think that will pacify us. Don’t have it Do them all if you can, but even if you just get Scudamore that would be great….
(Again I’ll dig up the emails)
Richard Scudamore
Chief Executive
Premier League
30 Gloucester Place
London
W1U 8PL
cc.
David Sheepshanks
Acting Co-Chairman
The Football Association
25 Soho Square
London
W1 4FA
cc.
Roger Burden
Acting Co-Chairman
The Football Association
25 Soho Square
London
W1 4FA
This is the person who has been sending out the replies. I don’t know the address they’ve been getting sent from, but I’d just use the main one. So, it’s…
Rachel Pallant
Supporter Relations Executive ‘
Premier League
30 Gloucester Place
London
W1U 8PL
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 #563 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 3:00 pm
And here’s the top honcho at Standard Chartered. This one includes email. Just send him some facts, add what Purslow has done and ask them as the main sponsor of Liverpool FC is he the sort of man, along with the other 3, that they want representing thier business….
Standard Chartered
Tim Baxter
Head of Corporate Communications
Telephone: + 44 (0) 207 885 5573
Email: [email protected]
Address: 1 Basinghall Avenue, London, EC2V 5DD
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 #564 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 3:04 pm
I know, it’s a pain. But the thing is… it really is having results. I know that anyway. But the fact, that Purslow now spends his time surfing fan sites and trying to gag shows just how worried they are.
We can topple these if we push hard enough. And lads, it’s only 4 letters and emails really. I mean don’t let me stop you doing anyone who you think should be informed, but…
Vince Cable
Tom Hourican
Richard Scudamore
Tim Baxter…
…are essential. We have to force them into action if we are going to save the club before there’s nothing left to save. And really is getting that critical.
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 #565 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
thanks FS
Ill get onto it and start sending.
You know I was in Liverpool this weekend wathcing the Eng match with some mates and I was gobsmaked at some of the talk about the club i.e thang god rafas gone, who we gonna bring in – manager and players etc..
It fucked me right off that some people still wanna turn a deaf ear to the truth and whats happening. Are these guys truly supporters – I think not!
got one or two of them on our side but its not enough and clearly a whole lot more info needs to be aired to turn the tide away from the deaf ears
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 #566 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 5:25 pm
It’s amazing mate, the amount of people who just don’t want to know. I just don’t understand it.
I honestly don’t like doing all this. I’d much rather be doing what I used to do, talking some football and having a bit of a laugh. I know this is all a drag and not what people want to hear. But I also know if we don’t keep it up this club is well and truly done for. So, we keep at it.
You lads in here have been good as gold. You want to see the response in some places. Most of it’s just from ignorance and stupidity, but some of it’s really quite disgraceful from people who should know far better.
It’s not my job to point fingers, but there’s one or two internet sites that need closing, nevermind gagging. One of them is populated by people who consider themselves match going supporters. I’d end up chinning half of them if I ended up sitting next to them at Anfield.
But having said that, the majority of people are decent, they know the score and they are trying.
But I wish the others would wake up. There is now full out and out war between all the members of our board and us, the fans – even the ignorant and daft ones who can’t see it.
They have constantly lied to us – every one of them. They have all stole from us. They have made every decision about the club against our wishes. And now they are even trying to stop us from talking to each other. They don’t want to divide and conquer… they have.
That’s why, we need to educate everyone we can to the facts. Some idiots will still ignore it. But more and more are finally climbing on board as they see pieces like the one I linked a few posts ago.
The amount of people that are coming onboard, appologising for not believing and ignoring all this for so long is quite staggering. I can’t believe in the last week or so the amount of times I’ve seen someone saying the same thing… “I’m so sorry. I should have done something earlier.”
So there’s hope yet. We just have to keep educating everyone we can, and the more clued up of us have to keep on fighting while we’re waiting for them to climb onboard and do something. Otherwise there soon might be not much of a club to talk and joke about.
I know that seems a bit dramatic, but read that piece and you’ll see it’s true.
There’s also a free edition of WELL RED online. That should also be required reading. People will act when they actually know what’s going on.
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SA Kopite
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 6:11 pm
well you know what they say FS – what comes around!!
Please let it come around for these fuckers as soon as possible!!!
your right, its never too late to join the fight – so come on the lads
thanks for the great work FS
I’m proud to fighting alongside you and the rest of the team on here
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 #568 |
McrRed
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 7:33 pm
Good to see even deschamps won’t touch us (from TIA mainpages):
Marseille manager Didier Deschamps has rejected an approach from Liverpool. The Reds are currently searching for a successor to Rafa Benitez who left the club 3 weeks ago. Managing director Christian Purslow approached the Frenchman with a view to interviewing and discussing the move with him but Deschamps has chosen to remain at Marseille. “I am happy [...]
Keep writing those letters people…
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 #569 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 8:16 pm
FS, what’s your personal email address?
I would like to run something by you.
Cheers,
Lurgan
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 #570 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 10:02 pm
Good work again Fatty.
I`ll be the first to admit i`m not the greatest at writing letters so i had a go so i`ll post up what i`ve put together and if anyone there like Fats or Aitch or Lurg or any of you very intelligent gentlemen could steer me in the right direction i1ll be ready to print off tomorrow in work so here it goes..
Dear Mr Scudamore,
I am writing to you to show my anger and disillusionment at the conduct of the Liverpool Football club managing director Christian Purslow.
Mr Purslow was hired by LFC with a task of finding investment for the club to the tune of £100 million pounds.He has failed in this task by not securing the investment.Mr Purslow has become actively involved in the day to day decisions at the club including relieving recent manager Rafa Benitez of his duties.
We the majority of supporters of this great club believe that despite the teams poor performance in the season just past,this act was a political move rather than a footballing decision.Rafa Benitez had in his contract some power surrounding the sale of players and we believe Purslow is assisting Tom Hicks and George Gillette in bringing this club to its knees.The ever growing debt on the club is crippling its existance.
With sustained opposition to the ownership and the roles in the club held by Martin Broughton and Christian Purslow by the clubs devoted supporters Mr Purslow has called it upon himself to instruct his lawyers to threaten some LFC forums with legal action with a goal to get these sites shut down as they are essentially the “HQ” of the army that we supporters now believe we are,essentially in a war here.
Mr Purslow is threatening the sites because his contact details and home address was posted on the site of a well known LFC fans forum “RedandwhiteKop.com”.
This imformation can be found freely on the intenet for anybody who wants to look for it.Despite moderators deleting the posts with Mr Purslows details and their warning to members not to do it again BEFORE Christian Purslow sent his solicitors on the case,they still went ahead and issued the threat of legal action.Moderators on the site stress that nobody target Mr Purslows home address as we do not want to be painted as thugs.We want to take action legally and morally and will not be painted as anything else by Mr Purslow or anyone else fo that matter.
Its a crying shame it has come to this.All we want is to support out team and enjoy the game again.We as supporters have to fight for what we think is the best for our club and Tom Hicks and George Gillette are certainly not.
Now Christian Purslow has threatened us,the supporters of Liverpool Football Club with legal action with Solicitors who quite possibly could be funded by LFC the club.
I urge you,as the governing body of the league in England to look into what role Mr purslow is actually playing at the club.How is he going to get away with threats of legal action against the supporters of the club that he is employed by?The very people who effectively pay Mr Purslows wages.
Thanking you in advance for your time,
Timmy Mc Carthy.
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 #571 |
timmytorres
Posted on June 28, 2010 @ 11:31 pm
Got this back from Cable…
Thank you for your email. This acknowledgement has been triggered electronically to let you know your email has been received.
In order for me to be able respond to you appropriately please include your home address in all correspondence. If you have not supplied your address then please resend the whole email with the address included.
If you are a resident of Twickenham, St Margarets, Whitton, Strawberry Hill, Teddington or the Hamptons I will respond to your email as a matter of priority. I try to personally answer as many other messages as time allows but please be aware that this is not always possible.
Kind regards,
Vince Cable MP
MP for Twickenham
Liberal Democrat Deputy Leader and Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills.
I can`t send him my address.I`m not even part of his bloody country nevermind his constituency!!
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 #572 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 9:01 am
If what you read in the papers this morning are true re the appointment of the Hodge, then I wonder just howm much transfer kitty he was promised to sign on the dotted line.
More promises to be broken!
Roy, are you a yes man……..then if so, sign here!
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 #573 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 10:41 am
So on the 1st July, when Standard Chartered officially become our sponsor, we will have offically downgraded our manager. After this it will be the players.
Bienvenue mid-table mediocrity. Aurevoir champions league. Finally ciao to the EPL.
Sick to the stomach!
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 #574 |
Lurgankop
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 10:42 am
Done a great job there Timmy. I will use it as my template. Cheers.
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 #575 |
Kinny Riddle
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 11:11 am
It seems Hodgson has been made a “safe choice” as a stopgap like Avram Grant / Luis Felipe Scolari in place of Rafa’s Mourinho – safe enough to keep it from sinking even more to reassure buyers that the club is stable.
Good luck to Roy in proving me wrong, but I think I’ll take a sabbatical year or two away from the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is English football culture, maybe pick up a passing interest in Inter Milan and turn my attention to Asian football closer to home.
If Roy’s regime fails, then I’m so gonna rub it in these anti-Rafa cunts about how pathetically wrong they’ve been. Then they’ll know how it feels to have a taste of their own brand of venomous medicine.
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 #576 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 11:45 am
Oh dear oh dear oh dear…
Sick to the stomach pretty much sums up my feelings right now Lurgan. Also hope Roy can prove me wrong Kinny, but I somehow doubt it.
I just want to curl up & have a good cry.
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 #577 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 12:00 pm
Changing the topic, I found the following article & was not surprised at the lengths British journos go to for a story, especially those feckers from the red tops. I don’t envy this ‘journo’, spending some time in a SA nick, what with sub-zero temps at night & HIV-infested cell mates.
By Graeme Hosken
A British journalist has been arrested for allegedly orchestrating one of the 2010 Soccer World Cup’s biggest security breaches.
The breach was in the form of British soccer supporter, Pavlos Joseph, walking into the changing room of the English soccer team shortly after they drew 0 – 0 with Algeria last week and berating the players for their dismal performance.
National police commissioner General Bheki Cele on Tuesday announced that British journalist Simon Wright had been arrested in connection with the breach.
Speaking in Pretoria at a National Press Club function, General Cele said: “The police have reason to believe that the event was orchestrated and involved the cooperation of a number of individuals.
“This was revealed through initial investigations and what has been observed from CCTV footage,” said Cele.
He said they strongly believed that the motive was to put the world cup and the security around it in bad light.
Cele said the investigations had led police to Sunday Mirror journalist, Simon Wright, who was arrested on Monday night for defeating the ends of justice and “flouting the provisions of the Immigration Act”.
“Mr Wright has admitted to harbouring and interviewing Josephs at a time when the police were searching for the latter in order to effect an arrest.
“The second criminal charge against Wright relates to his alleged conduct in booking a luxury hotel accommodation for Joseph using false or incorrect particulars,” he said.
Cele added that police investigations were continuing.
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 #578 |
Dizzy
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 12:02 pm
Talking of being sick regarding imminent appointment of Roy “Yesman” Hodgson, i have just cancelled my sky tv subscription. Am THAT pissed off and cant be bothered to watch us playing with first division players under useless manager…
Enter Roy..
Exit Torress, Gerrard, Masc and Yossi!
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 #579 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 12:16 pm
Timmy don’t worry about not being from his constituency, we are writing to him as he is the,as it says in his own bumpf… Liberal Democrat Deputy Leader and Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills.
So don’t be worried about answering that reply. As Liverpool fans, no matter were we live, we are entitled to answers as to what is happening at our club, why is it being allowed to happen. And as to not living in the country, why is a British State owned institution bank rolling the nefarious deeds of two foriegn business men?
Don’t give in lads. No matter where you are in the world, as LFC fans, you are entitled to know things like…
Why is Liverpool FC saying we can’t afford to pay players, and may soon have to sell some when we are paying £1,10,000 a day, that’s £7,70,000 a week, in interest on loans taken out by our owners from RBS, and then loaned to us, the club, with more interest payments on that loan, which is enough money to pay 7 Fernando Torres weekly wages?
You get me drift, just don’t be fobbed off. There’s plenty of things we can get at them with. That’s why I didn’t put up a template.
Just use your own gumption. Your letter was fine Timmy. And good man for having a go.
As for content, here’s two great reference pieces…
http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/201005093636/fans-forgotten-troubles-extended.html/
And WELL RED. I don’t have the link right now. It’s in one of my posts somewhere. But it’s a LFC fanzine put together by a great lad, and there’s a copy free online.
So just put WELL RED free online edition in your search bar, and bingo. Go to page 5… loads of short sharp facts about the H&G regime.
In fact, there’s that much dirt on them two and the other three in our boardroom that it’s hard to know where to start… so let’s make them stop.
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artful_dodger74
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 12:57 pm
Great article that FS. Its unbelievable to think that these 2 tumours are lending money to the club via an offshore company and actually charging interest on it!!
For fucks sake. When are people gonna kop (lame pun intended!) on to what is going on. These 2 amoeba are fleecing LFC supporters. Lending money to their own club and charging interest on it? Greedy bastards. They fucking OWN the club.
If there is any one point that makes my blood boil its this. Because they are taking us for mugs. They know they can make money out of us hand over foot. And they dont give a shit about it. More fuckin hotdog money for the slimy bastards. Well they can get fucked if they are getting a cent outta me. I’ve been offered the new kit by my missus and mother for my birthday and refuse to do it. I refuse to wear the fucking thing because its stained with greed by those 2 scumbags. I urge everyone and anyone not to buy any official merchandise. Just say no!
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 #581 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 1:38 pm
For fucks sake. When are people gonna kop (lame pun intended!) on to what is going on. These 2 amoeba are fleecing LFC supporters. Lending money to their own club and charging interest on it? Greedy bastards. They fucking OWN the club….
You can add to that… And they are using club paid lawyers (ie lawyers paid for by the fans) to threaten the fans of their own club.
£7,70,000 a week in interest payments alone, or, in other terms, enough money to pay the wages of 7 Nando’s a week.
Yep. We’ve got to say no, and we’ve got to make it stop mate.
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 #582 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 5:50 pm
FS, its agonizing to see our fellow reds turning a blind eye.
Let the pondscum rot in hell
Dizzy, agreed mate – yes man Roy clearly doesnt knoqw what the hell he’s signing up for and
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 #583 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 6:19 pm
just re read my last post – i meant to say let the yankee pondscum rot in hell
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 #584 |
Aitch
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 7:15 pm
Why on Earth would Roy Hodgson agree to sign on with Liverpool THIS WEEK…
…when there is a very good likelihood that he could, as frontrunner, get offered the England job sometime in the next two weeks???
Seems very ODD timing to me.
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And yeah LB, I don’t know why I had 28 stuck in my head.
You have to wonder where England go from here when SG, Lumpy, Terry, Rio and soon James, are all 30?
And at 30 … does SG stick around and give Hodgson time (more importantly under the current ownership) … or does he light out for pastures new?
He’s made no bones about his quest for medals.
I just can’t see him sticking around now.
Ask yourself this…
What are his realistic chances of a medal if he
A. leaves for Real Madrid?
B. leaves for the Chavs?
C. stays at LFC?
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 #585 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 9:29 pm
Aitch, in all honesty, I don’t even see what the point is… it doesn’t matter who comes in, who wants to stay, or who wants to leave.
That’s all over mate. I know it’s normal for fans to talk about these things, but we are not a normal football club. We are a cash cow, a battle front, a catastophe, a crying shame… call it what ever you will. But the one thing we are not is a football club, doing what football clubs do at this time of the year… looking ahead to the coming season, seeing how we can strengthen the team, squad, backroom staff and set up.
As for the normal questions of a club, such as the ones you just asked, well, that’s all going to become clear in the coming days and weeks. But I know what I’m expecting… are you really expecting any different?
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 #586 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 29, 2010 @ 11:12 pm
Just read back my last comment. It seems a bit snotty. Sorry Aitch, it wasn’t meant to be in any way.
I’m just being honest, I think it really doesn’t matter. In fact, to me it’s all just an aside now to what really matters. But here’s my thoughts on it…
Obviously as manager of LFC, I will support anyone who comes in, Mr. Hodgson, or anyone else.
And personally, I do think it’s going to be Hodgson, as I think Purslow has leaked it to his main stooge in the media, Dave Maddocks.
There’s a piece by him, I won’t link it. It’s just the usual propoganda shit… Rafa bad. H&G good.
But I believe the bit about Hodgson, as that’s got Purslow written all over it. And we all know what happened when Purslow leaked the last story about an LFC manager to that hack.
As for the comings and goings of players…
Well, there’s bound to be a huge round of speculation very shortly. Maddocks has already started the nonsense in the piece I haven’t bothered linking. And once the other hacks clock it, they’ll be off and running.
As for Gerrard…
Club’s are skint, so how much can even the biggest of them spend on a 30 yr old with little to no sell on value?
Say someone bought him for £20m, on a 2 yr contract for around 100k a week.
What would that add up to?
Still a pretty penny for a player of his age who’s just had a bad season and even worse world cup.
But Mascherano, Torres, Reina, now that’s a different story. Still, “a Great British man-manager and thorough gentleman, getting the best out of the Scouse Heartbeat of the side,” will at least please the media and all our fans who like to listen to them.
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 #587 |
Aitch
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 12:30 am
I hear ya FS. I know exactly where you’re coming from.
As you said… its going to be infuriating, irritating and marginally entertaining watching the next 2 months unfold…
I can’t find the link now, but I read an article in the last day or two that suggested Real Madrid were supposedly readying an offer of 20mill plus …one of their ageing stars, who’s name I can’t remember… for Steven Gerrard!
Anyway, the reason I bring it up, is not because I think any of it had any validity…
or to discuss the merits or lack-thereof of any such transfer…
…but to mention that there were 6 comments below the article…
…and 3 of them were angry because the player named was “not of the quality we need to challenge for the League!”
I mean seriously… 3 out of 6 people who posted a comment thought that we had a good chance of challenging for the title next season…
…and that said chance would not evaporate, or be sorely damaged if SG left…
…but thought that said chance would be hindered by bringing in a +30 year old striker!
Boggles the fuckin mind…
In re: Hodgson:
Tomkins has just moved his Hodgson article from June 21, up to the top of his site, with the announcement that he received info that this would happen earlier in the week and they were waiting on the switchover from Carlsberg to Standard Chartered, before announcing him… which happens Thursday.
So it all seems a done deal and no speculation on that front…
I just don’t get why Hodgson would consider the job?
You know my position… we should never have let Rafa go… but gone he is, …
And you know, I think most of this won’t matter until we know who we have left in the squad come August…
And I don’t believe any monies brought in, this month and next, will be handed to Hodgson for incoming players…
it’ll be headed straight to the Caymans, in a diplomatic pouch, flying first class…
… and he’ll be making statements about unfulfilled promises before we hit September let alone December…
That being said…
There were certainly worse candidates we could have been stuck with, out there (Hughes for one example) and while this is nothing more than a “consolidation appointment” for G&H to continue their asset stripping, at the very least in Hodgson, you have a manager who could perhaps avoid relegation, so we at least don’t “slide too far” in the interim between now and when they do eventually sell up and move on.
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 #588 |
Aitch
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 12:36 am
In between writing all those letters… here’s a little competition we can have….
The First Annual, Possible New Songs for the Kop to Sing Next Season Competition:
Entry Number 1
Who’s that wearing number 8
Who’s that wearing number 8
It’s not Gerrard
It’s not Gerrard
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 #589 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 1:15 am
Yeah Aitch. It’s a done deal. It’s breaking news in a few places. So Purslow strikes again. Fuckin awful busy this fella for someone who’s only job is to bring in investment.
And I was going to sarcastically say let’s hope he’s better at picking managers than making money, but this deal has already cost us…
Rafa’s buy out.
Inter’s offer to buy Rafa out.
Fulham’s compensation for Roy.
And people think there’s going to be money left for players…. Maybe someone should whisper to them, that this was what Uncle Tom meant when he promised a “big summer.”
Maybe one of our own, err, should we just say Optomistic type, Digger or BM can come on and enlighten us as to how this is all for the best.
I’m sure it won’t be that hard for them. Let’s face it, if it wasn’t for Rafa none of this would have happened…
Rafa’s buy out.
Inter’s offer to buy Rafa out.
Fulham’s compensation for Roy.
So by my reckoning, that’s at least 15 million there that Rafa’s lost us. And if you use Hick’s personal mathmatics, we should be able to get that up to at least 50 million.
So, yeah I suppose he was telling the truth when he promised us that sort of money in this “big summer.”
As for a song, well, err this one springs to mind…
Don’t blame it on Rafa,
don’t blame it on Hodgson,
don’t blame it on the kopites,
blame it on….?
Fill in that bit with your own favourite culprit. You’ve got literally thousands to pick from.
Sad times.
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 #590 |
Rafalution
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 8:29 am
So it has cost Liverpool FC 8 million quid to downgrade. Smart business eh?
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 #591 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 8:47 am
So Hodgson it is, seems like a nice man, lets watch the British media crucify this man, shouls start around Saturday. Posted a shitload of letters, postmans of on workers comp.
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This suggests dumb and dumber are here for a bit longer than we would like.
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Anyway good luck Roy, I think you’ll need it, and thats not from the fans.
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One thing though nearly all LFC manager changes end up in drama, SHanks was pushed, Evens was dropped, Houllier was undermined, afterall we spoke with Rafa’s agent before dismissing Ged. So I geuss it just the way it is.
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Once again good luck Roy, over to you guys in the media.
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 #592 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 9:23 am
Good Luck Roy, your gonna need it and of course you, like any of our managers will have my full support.
This is not going to be an easy ride for a current premier league manager who has a lot to prove , despite being MOS last year and guiding Fulham to a decent run last season, what has he really done?
The question to be asked – what assurances has he been given that made him wanna join us. Does he not know that whatever he’s been told is complete and utter bollocks – surely a man of his integrity can read between the lines
Why is he willing to join when no one else would be willing to touch us until the bastards have sold up – doesnt make sense to me at all
Surely its not because it his last chance to manage one of Englands top teams – are we still considered a top team? Careful, need to mind what I say here as dont want to upset any couch potoates that feel that we are now going to challenge for the title next season – we are no longer a top team in England and our final position last season has proved this.
I can hear the fans about to jump on my bandwagon – we’re Liverpool, won 18 titles, 5 European cups etc… We were a great team – history doesnt keep us there and the yankee fuckers have destroyed any hope of us being a top team for the foreseeable future
Near to administration, no funds for transfers, will have to rely on player sales to reduce the debt – its another Leeds United debacle all over again
Dont get me wrong, i love our football club and like the rest of you it pains me to see what’s transpring.I just cant understand what the fuck is happening and how the hell it got so bad.
We are Liverpool, the mighty reds who do battle to save our Spion Kop although this time, its not the boers were fighting
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 #593 |
sachem
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 9:28 am
The appointment of Roy can only signify the state of LFC keeps going from bad to worse. Those who thought we were in a mess six months ago, or even when the financial report was released or when Rafa was sacked can now conclude things could still get worse and it won’t stop here.
An inferior manager in place compared to the one we used to have and a significant amount of unnecessary money lost in the process. All loss and no gain as far as I can see. Is that the American way of doing things these days? Surely not. All of this while there are no developments to be seen or heard of in the ownership department.
How on earth will we be able to keep our best players with Roy Hodgson as manager? I mean no disrespect to the man (I feel sorry for him, to be honest, having to work under current conditions) but this appointment does seem to point in a certain direction. The owners and their henchmen Purslow and Broughton knows Hodgson has what it takes to keep us around midtable with a squad equal to the one at Fulham. Therefore, it would be possible to cash in on Torres, Mascherano, Benayoun, Kuyt and Stevie while still not risking relegation. Bring in a few cheap mediocre players and Roy might even be able to pull off a few draws against the top four and Everton.
I honestly consider this the most likely scenario at the moment. There’s only one chance to prevent it from going that bad and that is to force the owners out here and now. They’ve had numerous opportunities to sell in the past and it’s not going to happen anytime soon unless they are forced into a corner.
If nothing changes until the start of the season I will be boycotting all Liverpool games and urging all my Liverpool supporting friends to do the same. All the time and effort I’d normally put into supporting the club I will instead put into supporting the SOS in the ways I am able.
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 #594 |
sachem
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 10:03 am
SA Kopite
Despite everything that’s happened since our last league title, Liverpool still has a reputation as one of the giants in world football. Rafa did an excellent job to restore our reputation as a force in European competitions. It’s hardly surprising Roy would be willing to manage a club like Liverpool despite the mess it’s in at the moment. The very best managers out there would most likely have taken the job if the circumstances were different. If Roy did in fact have a choice between England and Liverpool it would however be a bit surprising to me that he didn’t choose the former. Perhaps that’s the only positive aspect in all of this – that the club Shankly built retains its reputation.
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 #595 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 12:40 pm
Sachem
Of course we are a great club with a fabulous history and long may our reputation proceed us.
You are correct, we are still one of the worlds leading football giants with fabulous support worldwide and i meant no disrespect at all.
The point that i was really trying to make was, with no disrespect to Rafa, 7th place and no champions league footy hardly puts us in the current ‘great club’ catagory, and with the current situation, unless it changes quickly we could very well become a team with only history and tradition on our side.
We are Liverpool, the mighty reds – Walk On!
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 #596 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 3:07 pm
Well lads, I don’t know where to start. The beginning I suppose…
Gaz, one thing you can bet on is the media will not be turning on Roy. He’s exactly what they want… An Ingerlish man wiv passion. Who know’s der Ingerlish way.
Besides, they’ve got Cappello firmly in their sights… apparently it’s his fault that England were so one dimensional in their play, and played an antiquated English 4,4,2 instead of playing the Brazillian way…
with one main striker, a play tucked in the hole behind him, with attacking fullbacks providing the width and 2 central midfielders in the holding role, providing cover for the back 4 when under attack, and support for the lone striker when going forward…
You know, something like Rafa had at LFC…
You really couldn’t invent such hypocrisy if you tried.
As for supporting the new manager, of course I will. I’m a Liverpudlian. But maybe the one thing more hypocritical than our media, is our fans…
I can see our Rafa out men are nowhere to be seen, but it’s amazing how many of them are know telling people like me that it is our duty to support our new manager… whoever that might be.
Funny old game, football.
Anyway, as I said in my previous posts, of course the main problem is H&G, but this is all the handiwork of Christian Purslow.
Well if he thinks a few threats from lawyers are going to stop us, he’s got another thing coming.
There’s a little thing a couple of us have started off. It’s just a continuation of what we’ve been doing, but we are posing the questions we want asked, and, as fan, have the right to ask and can demand answers….
Of course we won’t get them. In fact, we’ll probably get more threats from his lawyers. But we will make the little bastard squirm and we will let him know that this is not some flash in the pan backlash that will go away.
Me grandkids are here now, but I’ll nip back with a list of questions and email addresses, if anyone wants to have a go.
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 #597 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 3:39 pm
No worries FS. Get them up and i’ll give it a go. This Purslow is a complete and utter snake in the grass. The fact somebody like this little rat can get involved in OUR club is a travesty. Not only involved but actually sack the manager. Ye just couldnt make it up. Not unless your part of cancer train that is H&G. This is an interesting story below: just goes to show what utter contempt this greedy bastard hicks has. A fuckin neck like a jockeys bollox i tells ye.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413101-texas-rangers-dallas-stars-owner-tom-hicks-the-most-wanted-man-in-texas
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 #598 |
McrRed
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Just read the fans-forgotten-troubles article that FS posted. Fucken class.
“…and like a victim of systematic domestic abuse, we always come back for more”.
Ouch…
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 #599 |
SA Kopite
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 5:48 pm
Artful
Its the first paragraph that scares me shitless!
He bankrupted one franchise and he’s destroying another….
This fucker is well intent on destrying anything he touches and it would seem tha LFC is a stones throw away…
we cant let this happen to our club, we just bloody cant
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 #600 |
Aitch
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 6:38 pm
Yet another crackin entry from our man Tomkins.
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/what-hodgson-inherits/
There are a very telling couple of paragraphs regarding what this change-over means in so far as the youth set-up and what has been done in the last few years and what could now happen.
But perhaps the most immediately alarming paragraphs are these…
Obstacles to a top-four finish: Man City’s continued spending on top-class talent; the fact that United’s last great team (assembled mostly between 2003 and 2007) is unlikely to be greatly strengthened but equally, is still mostly intact; Chelsea’s combination of world-class players and a world-class manager; Arsenal’s possession of a long-established world-class manager, their own money-printing stadium, and a long-established youth team ethic; and Spurs’ ability to finally attract players for Champions League football.
…and…
Another problem is that the UEFA Cup starts early, but Liverpool still have six of their best players in South Africa (compared with Manchester United’s zero). Yet again key men will not have the proper pre-season due to international football. If the Reds fall to a shock early exit, Hodgson may struggle to recover. However, these games will help sharpen the squad ahead of the opening Premier League fixture, a tricky home tie against Arsenal.
…oh dear…
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 #601 |
Aitch
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 6:40 pm
Apparently Gerry has been waiting to hit 600 comments before posting his new…
“LFC… aw… Fuck It… Why Bother?” blog
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 #602 |
McrRed
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 6:51 pm
Good Tomkins article (600) but, God, Aitch, you’re sooooo fucken negative! What about:
“If he wins the title or, within two years, the Champions League, he deserves to be knighted.”
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 #603 |
McrRed
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 6:54 pm
I’m keeping the Rafa avatar until Woy grows a goatee…
btw, what a crackin head of hair that man’s got…
…s’gotta be worth a few League points by itself!
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 #604 |
Aitch
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 7:03 pm
So…Pre-season training starts Thursday July 1st…
… but those players who have exited the World Cup (Skrtel, Agger, Carra, SG, Johnson) aren’t required to report back for training until approx July 15 (3 weeks after their exit)
… with Mascherano, Maxi, Pepe, Torres, Kuyt, Babel returning between July 23 and Aug 6 (pending how far they progress or not)
So we’ll be without “star players” throughout pre-season (while our rivals are on lucrative overseas tours) and for the Europa Qual games…
… and it also means the better players in the squad won’t be a)properly rested, and b) prepared for the season…
… but it also means Hodgson can’t properly prepare/work with his squad prior to season kick-off…
…which is at home to the Arse… urgh!
…followed by…
14 Aug – Arsenal (H)
21 Aug – Man City (A)
28 Aug – West Brom (H)
11 Sept – Birmingham (A)
18 Sept – Scum (A)
25 Sept – Sunderland (H)
2 Oct – Blackpool (H)
16 Oct – Everton (A)
… so really…
…how many point are we expecting to take (or more importantly… drop) from that fixture list??
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 #605 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 7:29 pm
What I can’t wait to see is how long before all the Rafa bashers become “Woy” bashers, and it’s left to us Rafatollah’s to explain that’s it’s really not that nice Mr Hodgson’s fault?
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 #606 |
McrRed
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 8:00 pm
This is my reply from Mr Hunt’s goto guy Robert Gardikiotis basically saying “we understand but we’re acting in the tax-payers’ interests and your being screwed for millions which will go from Liverpool supporting taxpayers to all the other taxpayers. So do one!”
Any thoughts on responses?
Public Engagement and Recognition Unit
Tel 020 7211 6200
2-4 Cockspur Street
London
SWIY SDH
http://www.culture.gov.uk
Thank you for your letter of 8 June addressed to Jeremy Hunt, the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport regarding the current financial situation of Liverpool FC. I have been asked to reply.
We understand why fans are becoming increasingly concerned at the level of debt accumulated at some clubs, and we have raised this as a keen concern of ours with the football authorities whose responsibility it is to run the game.
It is not for the Government to regulate football, or to comment on the specific financial situation of any one football club – that is down to the football authorities, and for the clubs themselves to manage their finances correctly.
However, the Government will encourage The Football Association, Premier League, and Football League to work closely together to improve the governance and regulation of the national game. We have said we are keen to see action in four areas: financial transparency, the relation of debt to turnover, the fit and proper person test for club owners and more independent governance on the FA board.
UK Financial Investments Limited (UKFI) has been set up to manage the Government’s investments in financial institutions, including RBS, as an active and engaged shareholder, operating on a commercial basis and at arm’s length from Government.
The framework document between HM Treasury and UKFI sets a requirement that UKFI will not intervene in the day-to-day management decisions of RBS. The bank is retaining its own independent board, which will manage the bank and determine its strategy.
UKFI’S overarching objective is to protect and create value for the taxpayer as shareholder with regards to the maintenance of financial stability and to act in a way that promotes competition.
In this context, HM Treasury and UK Financial Investments do not have a role in advising on the personal or corporate financial arrangements of Liverpool football club and do not comment on the individual products or commercial decisions of RBS.
Thank you for writing to Mr Hunt on this important matter.
Yours sincerely,
Robert Gardikiotis
The Department for Culture Media & Sport
Public Engagement and Recognition Unit
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 #607 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 9:23 pm
Keep sending letters like Andy from Shawshank!
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 #608 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 10:33 pm
Does anyone know if Gerry is dead…What has happened Matt from the main site.
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 #609 |
Aitch
Posted on June 30, 2010 @ 10:53 pm
early evning on 14 August would be my bet, FS!
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 #610 |
rome77
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:08 am
When Roy was sacked at Blacburn apparently he was so upset he couldn’t drive home and had to be driven. So hows he going to cope with the shark pool that is LFC ?
As for the media, as long as he isnt a threat to the established order of things they’ll leave him alone. He’s English and he’s a OAP and if he fails it’ll be poor old Roy let down by the Owners,Players or Fans and the Pundits will be quoting Tomkins to back it up.
BTW
Is anyone getting worried about Gerry ? Last i heard he was looking into the JFK assassination and all of a sudden he’s disappeared ( like a lot of witnesses did ).
You dont think the NSA have snatched him do you?
YNWA
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 #611 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:09 am
607: Yep. That’s the way to get them.
606: Result. And I’ll tell you why Jeremy Hunt’s croney is answering… he’s getting his good and proper. His comments on Hillsborough the other day has brought a proper shit storm down on his head and his bottles gone.
Don’t underestimate what is going on here. Anyone who doesn’t want to take part doesn’t have to. Obviously some people are so bored with it, they can’t be bothered commenting in here.
Shame that. Having slagged off our manager for so long and so passionately, you’d think they’d at least want to comment on the fella who is being brought in to replace the fella they so badly wanted out for the good of LFC.
But then, that’s a matter for them. As for meself, I’m bored to tears with it all. I’ve been telling people for nearly 4 bloody years. But then I’ve been supporting Liverpool for a lot longer and so have no choice to keep doing what I’m doing.
I’m not being snotty. I know it’s a drag to constantly be confronted with all this. But the simple fact is, if we all turn our back on this there won’t be a club or any puppet manager to defend by the time H&G are finished.
So as much as I hate to keep putting this on you lads, and I hate doing it meself, there’s really no choice in the matter.
If anyone thinks this is still just scaremongering for the sake of it… well, to be honest, I might aswell just pack it in, and leave it to BM and Digger to come back and chat about Mr Hodgson until they start moaning about Woy not being good enough for the mighty LFC.
Oh and McrRed, don’t be downhearted, you tried, you got a response. Not sure how long it took to build, but Rome certainly wasn’t toppled in a day. This is a not an overnight thing. But it is working… It must be or Purslow wouldn’t still have his lackies monitoring us, or his lawyers out threatening us as they have been about the new thing we launched at them today.
But it’s late, everyone is tired of this, and even I can’t be arsed right now. But sometime tomorrow, I’ll be back with a report on what’s going on and yes… yet another favour to ask. It does involve letters and emails. Don’t think that’s much to do for the club meself. But as with anything else… it’s your choice to do them or not. I’m just the messenger.
And, as I said, like everyone else, I get sick and tired an all you know.
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 #612 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:13 am
610 Last time I heard from Gerry he was in fine spirits. I shouldn’t speak for him, but as a few seem worried… I know he landed a job he was more than happy with, and was intending to concentrate on that for a wee while.
I’m sure there’s nothing more to it than that. In fact, I bet he’s just a little tired of all this an all.
It’s fukin hard graft at times.
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 #614 |
Aitch
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:34 am
And the hits just keep on coming…
Yet another Rafa target snapped up by a rival…
Manchester City are set to sign Spanish
international winger David Silva from Valencia for an undisclosed fee.
City have agreed a five-year deal with the 24-year-old, who will complete a medical and sign for the club once his involvement in the World Cup is over.
He said: “The Premier League is one of the best competitions in the world and I want to bring success to City. They are a club with a great future with fantastic players. I want to be an important player in City’s history.”
Silva is City’s second major signing of the summer, following the capture of Hamburg’s German international defender Jerome Boateng.
…OH DEAR…
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 #615 |
rome77
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:46 am
Tory MPs slagging us off.
My lads lost his dentist in mid treatment “due to cuts”.
His class at school will have mixed age groups next term and have 7 more pupils for his teacher to cope with “due to cuts”.
And we’re going to have less police on the streets “due to cuts”.
It didn’t take long did it.
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 #616 |
axchoice
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 2:01 am
Liverpool is getting a really potent mix of Newcastle (Ex players ganged up with unrealistic fans to undermine manager) and very likely Leeds (sacking of only person to halt player sales, only to start selling the best players – coming soon).
It’s no longer the LFC I’ve known for more than 20 years.
FS,
From where I live (Singapore), a formal electronic petition that allows users from the Internet to sign up, has actually forced our government to rethink some of their unfavourable policies or decisions over the last few years.
Maybe we can start something like that aimed at the British MPs.
Just a suggestion…
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 #618 |
ykleong
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 5:52 am
Gerry, perhaps a new blog on your thoughts of Hodgson? It’s more than 600 entries already in this blog!
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 #619 |
Decstarr
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 8:39 am
As if things weren’t bad enough at the moment! Here’s some crap i’ve heard being throught around…..and yes involving our club/players again!!
Courts held a further 2 week gagging order on Steve Gerrard’s private life, turns out he got his wifes sister pregnant (not a 16 year old ) .
Will hit the newspaper in 14 days, the judge held the gagging order to protect FA while they decide on Capello, and the future of English footy..
John Terry and the England boys all know about it and JT had a argument with Capello because Gerrard got to keep the captain’s armband. The tension in the camp was down to JT and half the team saying Gerrard was a disgrace and the other half of the squad backing Gerrard..The press conference was related to the tension and JT wanted Gerrard exposed – they hate each other..
Seriously has god turned his back on us! Are we being punished liked the Israelite were in the bible? Destined to wander the wilderness for 40yrs?
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 #620 |
Decstarr
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 8:42 am
All lending to the fact that Gerrard having been hounded by the British media so often, and about to be again, may take the easy way out to go start a new life in sunny spain!!….yeah in a little city called Madrid! God help us….some one….anyone….help!
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 #621 |
Arthur G. Posis
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 9:08 am
I thought I’d quickly comment, as I’m probably being bracketed into that catch-all phrase Rafa-basher (although as some might know I had stated in here that I felt giving Rafa one more year, given our current state of affairs, would be the way to go)
Anyway I wish Roy all the best – I’m gonna keep an open mind as to what abilities he can bring to the role. Hopefully he can encourage Gerrard and Torres to stay and perhaps use some (if not all) of any transfer funds received. If he allowed to do that and perhaps bring in some shrewd signings (Hageland for starters) I think we might have a decent season – and by decent I mean challenge for a top 4 spot and perhaps have a decenr run in the cup. By this time next year, hopefully we’ll have new owners and we can set our sights a little higher
Although I applaud FS’ and others determination in sending letters to the powers that be (I sent letters myself) but I still believe that all the letters and bad press in the world wont sway H&G to sell until they are good and ready.
In lieu of new owners I think the best thing is to re-align our expectations and support Roy.
One thing, seeing as lots of people are clearly waiting for Roy’s reign to be deemed a failure and are wondering what all the Rafa-outers will say then, I ask this question: What will you Rafatollahs (to use the phrase in here ) say if we finish higher than 7 next season and perhaps even sneak into the CL?
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artful_dodger74
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 9:33 am
Its confirmed on the official site. Hodgson the new manager on a 3 year contract. Good luck Roy. Your gonna need it.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 9:57 am
We’d all be made up Arthur. But what we wouldn’t do is make the fatal mistakes you’re making…
We know letters won’t make H&G do the right thing. That’s why we haven’t bothered with them. I could have put there home addresses, nevermind emails, in here.
Do you not get what we’re trying to do and why we’re trying to do it?
Okay. I know how bored everybody is with this, but it looks like I need to explain it again…
H&G have no intention of selling the club. They have already knocked back at least 3 very compatible buyers… meaning people with enough money to own the club, and people who want to run a successful football club, not milk a cash cow for every penny and leave it broken.
That is why we went after the banks, politicians, sponsors and premier league…
ie: we are trying to force the people who can do something about this to do it.
We have established top contacts in both the RBS and the Department of Sports and Culture. They have been directing our efforts, and monitoring the results… we are having them.
We are having such good results that Christian Purslow has take to personally monitoring our efforts and using the club lawyers to try and stop us.
We have no intention of stopping – and have in fact, made old Cecil boy our top priority. We will not be threatened, we will not be stopped.
The mission is simple… we make RBS (A state run bank) stop giving H&G money, and thus profiteering of this disgraceful situation. With no extensions, and time limits set on repayments, H&G will be forced to sell to the first responsible owner, instead of being allowed to bleed our club to the point of collapse, sell what’s left and walk away.
Even better, we can force Broughton and Purslow to do their job – sell the club above the head of H&G – to the first compatable and responsible owner… thus limit the damage to what’s already been done.
I stated time and time again, that this isn’t about Rafa – it’s too late for that. But if you think I am not going to comment on the forcing out of one of the game’s top managers only to be replaced by a journeyman, then you are deluded, not me.
The fact is, this can’t be done without mentioning that fact. But it isn’t to get Rafa back. I know for a fact, that before going on holiday, Rafa was in a meeting with Broughton and Purslow. Apparently, he told them straight… he didn’t trust either of them, and would not sanction the sales of any players, so… not to do so while he was on holiday behind his back.
First thing they done when Rafa walked out the door… offer Benayoun, to Chelsea, who want him as an option to the loss of Joe Cole. Rafa had already been approached on this by Chelsea and said, No. But if they was to offer 10 million they could start to talk.
Once his back was turned, Benayoun was offered to chelsea for 6 million. As always in any fight, there comes a point that breaks out into all out war. Rafa lost. Having signed a contract, and the money it would cost to sack him, Rafa probably thought he was safe… he underestimated the ruthlessness of these 2 hired assasins. And make no bones, that’s exactly what they are.
I could go on and on giving examples of just how bad these 2 men are, and what they will do to the club if not stopped. But you know what… Like I said, this is not easy and I don’t have the time.
So, let’s just do this…
If you are interested in the next league of the fight we are taking to the banks and premier league to rid YOUR club of the men who will ultimately destroy it, if not stopped, look in here…
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=259961.0
If you think Hodgson is going to take us to “a top 4 finish and on decent good cup run”… don’t bother.
I also hope Mr Hodgson can at least stop the rot. However, I’m under no illusion of why he’s got the job. I’m under no illusion that he will be allowed to do it to the best of his ability. I’m under no illusion that he will be given any say on who is sold.
Mr Hodgson seems to be a nice amiable chap. He’s liked by the media – “he’s Ingurlish and passionate.” He’s liked by the other manager’s. In fact, they voted him manager of the year, for his biggest ever achievment… getting Fulham to a UEFA cup final. He’s a safe pair of hands… but safe for whom?
Oh well, you can take a horse to water, but… as they say.
So, if you want to participate, in the next round, join us. If you think everything is okay, that H&G will just sell to the next responsible offer, if you think Hodgson will be “decent” and do a good job, if you think Purslow and Broughton are doing the job they’re supposed to be doing… don’t bother.
It isn’t rocket science. You either see the truth of the situation and want to do the little you can to stop it, or you don’t.
Take your pick.
Me, I’d love to bury my head in the sand and not have to keep doing this. But, if I want to leave my grandson any semblance of the great club we once were, I have no choice but to fight. If a few feelings get hurt along the way – so be it.
So as I said, if you want to join us, have a look in that thread. You can get all the information you need from there.
Normally the last thing I would do is link something like that into Gerry’s blog. But I’m sure Gerry will understand the exceptional circumstances that have caused this. In fact, I think Gerry would enjoy it… there’s a rather funny bit where one of Purslow’s hirlings actually tries to convince people that Cecil is a nice boy really. Funny as, really.
And on top of that, nobody has to join anything or comment. It’s just for you to access the information and I can stop coming in here, explaining over and over to some people who don’t want to know, and we can all go back to talking about what football fans should be talking about at this time of the year… the coming season, new signings and our hopes and aspirations for the club.
In fact, I’ll start it now…
If we don’t do something to stop what’s going on, we are well and truly fucked.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 10:22 am
I’ve got to get going, but I had to come back into tell some of you this…
Someone’s been busy decorating Anfield last night. I’m afraid it won’t be quite the welcome message Mr Purslow would quite like to give to Mr Hodgson.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 10:32 am
Oh and if you have trouble accessing the Purslow thread, like I am now. Keep trying. It’s probably just some sort of strange coincidence, but since Purslow’s lawyers were very politely told to Piss Off and that the fight will go on, the site has been experiencing a lot of technical difficulties caused by outside agents… oh well, good job there’s lots of top notch IT technicians that support LFC and want the board out, eh.
In other words… it’s getting attacked, but it doesn’t stay off long. It’s happening all the time, but the lad’s just sort it.
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sachem
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 11:08 am
FS
As you say this is no longer about Rafa. In many ways, there’s really no point debating him anymore and I’d personally much rather focus on things we can still do something about. However, the manner in which he was forced out of the club is so far off the “Liverpool Way” that I think Rafa will inevitably remain a topic of discussion for Liverpool supporters. There will be comparisons between Rafa and Roy, what might have happen had he stayed and so on. Perhaps there’s no need to oppose these kinds of hypothetical debates.
I am probably more interested in what Purslow and Broughton have “for a fact” been doing since they were hired. I don’t have any evidence to support assertions as regards to their respective actions, but I would like to see some proof that either of the two have actually done anything in the best interests of the club and the supporters. Purslow obviously failed to deliver on his promises that he would find suitable investors earlier this year and I suppose that’s the main reason Broughton was hired? What exactly has Purslow achieved so far? Could he possibly take some credit for the Standard Chartered or is that solely down to Ayre and others? What has Broughton achieved since he was hired more than two months ago? There is little or nothing being reported as regards to potential investors.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 11:45 am
Sachem…
Roy Hodgson is now the manager of LFC, and as such, he will recieve my total support… The is The Liverpool Way.
Am I happy about the circumstances that brought him, here? Well, no need to answer that.
Will I miss Rafa… yes. Of course I will. I like and respect him as a man. I think he’s a fearless man, of the upmost integrity who will fight to the bitter end for what he believes in. I believe he seen the same in Kopites. And like Shankly before him, I think he fell in love with the club, the city, the people and the fans. I also think when he first arrived, he saw exactly what Shankly seen… a fallen giant, with asperations that met his own, and the place where he could complete his life’s work… If you feel bad about all this, imagine how cheated he feels?
On top of all that, I believed in his ability to return us to the top of European football. Well actually, he did that. And I had no doubt, had he just been left alone to get on with the job, not even backed with mega-money, he would have brought home number 19 eventually. So, yes. I will miss him. In fact, I will probably spend the rest of my life thinking “If only.”
But life goes on. Mr Hodgson is now manager. I will not be turning against him if results don’t go right. He has an incredibly difficult job to do, in the worst imaginable of times. So, I wish him the very best of luck. I hope he does us and himself proud. And I’d be first to warn him about all the backstabbers and traitors that infest our club from the boardroom down.
Firstly, I’d tell him to be wary of the man that hired him and forced his predescessor out.
You’d like to know about this man and Broughton, what do you need to know?
He was brought in to find outside investment. He’s already cost the club at least 15 million with this switch in manager… a switch the vast majority of match going supporters did not want. Indeed, he keeps alienating the “paying customers” daily and is even using club money to spy on us and threaten us.
The Standard Chartered deal… yes. He likes to bring it up as if it’s something to be proud of. But he didn’t actually have anything to do with it. In fact, he wasn’t even in the job when the deal was done.
Outside investment was his only remit when he got the job. Has he brought any in? Not to my knowledge, and I do know quite a bit about all this.
How did he get the job?
Well, you take your pick.
Here’s the official spiel…
He was not only a fantastic businessman, but also a life long, match going, season ticket holding, fanatical Liverpool supporter.
The things we’ve found out…
He was at Harvard Business School with Tom Hicks Jnr. He is indeed a long standing friend of the Hicks family with some business ties to them, as he owns and runs his own leveraged buy out company, with it’s assets all held off-shore. He had very tenuous links to a club legend Kenny Dalglish….
A club legend who wanted to take the reins of the club, even though he had long walked away as the job near gave him a heart attack in other bad times. A club legend who was against the hiring of Mr Hodgson and hasn’t been heard of since any of this was leaked to the press by Mr Purslow through his hack gimp Maddocks.
Need I go on?
As I said, not being funny or snotty but this is draining.
I know you are on our side mate. I congratulate you for that. I have no trouble talking to you about these things. But if you have any doubts nagging at you, telling you things are just maybe not as black as I’m painting, all I can say is… I love this club, probably far too much, and I’ve spent years trying to warn people of what’s going on.
I can’t do anymore. There’s plenty of sources to tell you exactly what’s going on. I even link really good ones into here. So as I say… yeah. By all means, let’s get back to talking about football and all things LFC. But sadly, anything concerned with LFC is nowadays dripping in this shit. So, we take our pick….
We do the little we can to help it.
We ignore it and hope for the best.
I’ve made my choice.
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Kinny Riddle
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 11:56 am
I’m just going to copy what I posted in Paul Tomkins’ blog
1. Will I support Hodgson? – YES. But at arm’s length.
As I understand he’ll just be as undermined as Rafa has been before him. And if he still manages to pull off the impossible (i.e. exceed Rafa) despite all these, then and only then will it become a firm YES YES YES.
2. Will I give him a chance and not moan at the first loss? – YES
3. Do I think there are/were better options? – YES. But the Yanks don’t care and only appointed a “safe (yes-man) choice” as a stop-gap as well as doing this just to spite us for opposing them.
4. Do I believe this is a start to a downgrading of LFC? – It’s been happening the moment they took over. Rafa managed to succeed initially IN SPITE OF all these, and it was only last season that the financial decay finally caught up with the football department.
4. Can I see the Blueshites finishing above us next season? – YES (unless we keep all our star players)
5. Am I hacked off with football? – English football – YES. Elsewhere – NOT YET.
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YNWAlancey
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:08 pm
My letter is printed and in an envelope ready to be sent all the way to John Hourican from New Zealand.
I’ll also be joinning SOS as soon as I get a chance to slip it by with out my girl noticing- the exchamge rate isn’t good for us Kiwis… If nothing else I do hope some good comes of my being a member, even though I’m on the other side of the planet.
I was a supporter who was disillioned by Rafa during the last season. All I get to see from New Zealand is what’s being broadcast. And quite frankly things had changed so drastically last season, for whatever reason the mood and the mind set of the players looked wrong- for me the manager is a big reason for this… But that’s just my take from watching the games thousands of miles away, we don’t see the protests or live close enough to stay fully enformed…
I would like to say that Rafa will always be a legendary manager, although flawed, I thank him for his accomplishments with LFC and am proud of him to have been appointed manager the best team in Itally and Europe at this poiint in time…
Like I said, it’s a bloody shame that it’s so hard to see the full picture from New Zealand. Unfortunately the letters that I’ll be sending as well as the 10pounds for SOS is all the support I can give from so far away…. What a shame…
Welcome Roy Hodgson…
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sachem
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 12:43 pm
Thanks for the reply there FS. Lots of interesting points regarding Purslow. The link between him and the Hicks family is rather new information to me, but it makes perfect sense. It wouldn’t have been in Hicks’ interest to hire a CEO who’s on the side of the supporters. Only one who would seem to be at first glance.
I do think things are as black as you are painting them, possibly even worse. There’s an overwhelming amount of evidence for it. And also a lack of evidence that Purslow for instance has actually done any good. Then there are of course a number of rumours floating about. Assertions regarding Purslow’s character mostly based on hearsay and second-hand information. I’m not saying they are lies fabricated to increase the animosity towards Purslow, but perhaps one should try to overlook the unverified accounts of things he has reportedly said and done and instead judge him by what we know for a fact has taken place. How do we know what sources can be trusted?
Of course I will also be supporting Roy Hodgson completely. I expect many of those who wanted to get rid of Rafa will also turn against Roy before the end of the upcoming season and start heaping unfair criticism on the man. If I have the time and energy, I will probably speak out in his defense.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 4:26 pm
Ask yourself one question… we’ve just hired a new manager. Why isn’t everyone in here discussing it, saying how excited or pissed off they are, talking about players, in and out, and their hopes and fears for the coming season?
I’ve said my piece on him… as the manager of LFC, he will recieve my total and unreserved backing. He deserves no less, and that is the Liverpool Way.
And it will stay that way, until or if something happens, that makes it impossible for me to back him as the manager – whatever that until or if maybe.
As for everything else…
YNWAlancey, don’t belittle what you’re doing and I thank you for the time and effort you are putting into it.
But, don’t go doing anything, such as joining SOS, if it is a struggle for you. There’s no need to put yourself out. It’s great that you are willing to do so, and I salute you for it. But there’s millions of us – plenty enough to mean no one needs to go beyond the call of duty.
A thing for overseas lads, like I said last night, is to have a look in the FIGHT BACK threads on RAWK.
I feel a bit traitorous saying that in here, but I know none of you will loose your loyalty for Gerry’s blog… it’s the best about, always highly entertaining, and, except for the occasional spat in the comments, it’s good fun.
In fact, like I’ve said, I can’t wait for it to just be fun again, and to stop filling the comments with this info. From now on, whenever possible I will just post links for like minded people to read.
So that should take care of that.
But what I do have to say is… please don’t fall for the smoke and mirrors that took place in the Anfield press room today.
If you watch it, watch how Mr Broughton answers questions for Mr Hodgson, sometimes even cutting him off very abrubtly, and listen to the answers on the really important questions…
Nando, Steven, Mascher, are they leaving?
Is the club for sale?
If you can’t see through that heap of shite Broughton served up, oh well…
As for Purslow where was he?
Well, I really wish I could say more. So, it’s just a question of whether you believe me or not, but let’s put it this way… did you hear the question if the club is up for sale?
Did you hear the answer?
Broughton: “yes to the best bidder, which doesn’t necessarily mean the highest bidder.”
Well, I wonder who could be that low but best bidder… and do you think there’s any chance that meant H&G are willing to sell low just as to do the right thing, or, knowing all you know about these men, would you suspect something more devious?
I wish I could say more, but I can’t. So it’s up to you what you believe. But let me just say one thing, have any of them ever told one thing that even resembles the truth yet?
Oh well, good luck Mr Hodgson. I hope you do us and yourself proud.
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Kinny Riddle
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 5:00 pm
Mr Brought-down, walk the walk please. Otherwise, it’s all empty talk.
His revelations begs the ultimate question: Why must the open bidding process involve the removal of Rafa as a pre-requisite?
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guinnessdrinker
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 5:04 pm
good luck roy. heres hoping the team stays together starts playing with smiles on their faces again and we as fans can enjoy the football we watch each week.
YNWA
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McrRed
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 7:06 pm
Hicks didn’t sell his baseball team to the highest bidder and formally bankrupted the team.
Seems they’re about to do the same to us…
No statement by any of that crowd has any credibility. The succession of lies has been breathtaking and started to re-define what The Liverpool Way means for us.
Fool me once – your mistake,
Fool me twice – my mistake…
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Aitch
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 8:17 pm
This blog is officially a fuckin behemoth!
A couple of things.
1. Congratulations to Roy Hodgson on nabbing the Job of a Lifetime… the Ultimate of Dream Jobs!
I wish Roy all the luck in the world for a successful tenure at LFC… coz success for him, is success for all of us.
Roy will have… as Rafa had, as Ged H. had, as Roy Evans had, etc, etc… my complete and total support.
2. YNWAlancey please don’t take this the wrong way… I really don’t mean it as a personal attack… but there is absolutely no excuse for any LFC fan… anywhere in the world… not knowing what’s going on at the club.
It just doesn’t take that much in the modern techno age to go beyond what you see on Sky and find out.
You’ve been coming in here long enough to have read all you need to know about what’s been going on at the club. Many people have posted other sources to consult… Tomkins, Barrett, RAWK… it tells it all.
Again, I’m sorry, I really don’t mean it as a personal attack, but people simply have absolutely no basis for the argument that they don’t know what’s going on.
A simple google search will tell you.
Yes (and I mean this in the generic “you”) you might have to troll through some serious bollocks from the twitter idiots out there, but if you want to “follow” the team and express an opinion on it, then you have to do your homework.
C Arthur, as someone who’s had his go-arounds with you, I’ve done my bit to remind people not to lump you into the “Rafa-Bashers” so I hope they recognize the difference.
I don’t mean this as an attack, but you’ve said a few things that bear analyzing.
I’ve said on more than one occasion the point I was always trying to get across was that a vote for Rafa was a vote, not for Rafa so much, but for LFC… coz that was the sort of man he was… but more importantly and significantly… in the Situation he was in.
I’ve always thought… well certainly over the last 2 years, that the majority of Anti-Rafa’s just didn’t realize that it wasn’t about him… it wasn’t about results on the pitch… it was about the organization… and Rafa was our only Allie within it.
Like you, I wish Roy Hodgson the best of luck.
He is now OUR manager … Rafa-Outs and Pro-Rafas alike… we are now united under the Pro Hodgson Banner…
…errr…until Arsenal tonk us on opening day that is …and many of the Rafa-Outs change their colors to Roy-Outs.
If, on 14 August, he has the same playing staff that ended last season (minus BennyOnion it seems,) then he stands a decent chance of getting us back into the top 4… coz that team was nowhere near as bad as results and their final position… and NO… that wasn’t Rafa’s fault.
The problem is… I just can’t see that happening… and all the “keeping an open mind” and “hoping for the best” and “looking on the bright side” in the world, isn’t likely to change that.
And, as above, I don’t mean this as a personal attack… but you said it, so…
“by decent I mean challenge for a top 4 spot and perhaps have a decent run in the cup. By this time next year, hopefully we’ll have new owners and we can set our sights a little higher”
How unfortunate is it that this same courtesy/expectation couldn’t be afforded to Benitez??
I’m also saddened that many of us “Rafatollahs” have spent 12 months pleading with “outs” that …“In lieu of new owners I think the best thing is to re-align our expectations and support Roy.” … only with Rafa’s name at the end of the sentence instead of Roy’s
I haven’t read a single comment where someone wished Roy would fail?
Did I miss something?
What has been written is the expectation that the man has walked onto the bridge of a sinking ship, while the owners are stealing the rivets to melt down and sell for cash in the local bazaar!
Its really hard to get excited about this appointment…
…not because its Roy Hodgson
…shit it could have been far worse, it could have been Curbishley or Mark Hughes 
… but because we simply do not know what will happen in the weeks between now and 14 August… and then beyond…
…and what could happen could be minor, sure… but it could also be devastating.
If BennyOnion is the only outgoing player, Hodgson will have as good a shot as anyone, at getting us back into the top 4 (though I think a title challenge is well out of his reach.)
But what if Masch, and SG and maybe even Torres exit?
What if … and let’s be honest its far more likely than him being given any larger amount… he is only given 5-10 million to replace them (with the rest evaporating in the direction of Grand Cayman?)
Keeping an open mind is great… as long as you accept the facts, and the possibilities/probabilities… as well as what you hope for.
Good Luck Roy… and let’s hope for the best!
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LondonBarnes
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 8:27 pm
No Mourinho or Hiddink then I see. Never mind eh. Maybe Roy can bring ‘stability’ to the club by fighting for a CL place and having a decent cup run… Oh wait hold on, isn’t that what Rafa did season in season out?
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Lurgankop
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 8:47 pm
Lads how many lies to you have to listen to to undertand that these guys are pure evil.
-> H&G:
Brief: Build a new stadium and provide monies to the manager, whilst not putting extra debt onto the club
Result: Do I need to answer this…
-> Purslow:
Brief: Find an investor to reduce debt by 100m quid.
Result: Talks to SOS and then doctors the minutes. Initiates the sacking of our (best) manager (IMHO, since King Kenny).
-> Broughton:
Brief: To sell the club, for a reasonable price, within a certain timeframe.
Result: Turns down reasonable offers and whores our players to competitors and sacks the manager.
LFC Supporters:
Brief: Send these fuckers to where they once came and get our club back.
Result: It depends on us!!!!
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sachem
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 9:17 pm
Lurgan
I have one thing to add. When Broughton was first appointed he was interviewed by Claire Rourke from LFCTV. He then said in no uncertain terms that the board wanted Rafa to stay and that they (Broughton and Rafa) would be having a meeting to discuss the future as soon as possible. Clearly he can’t have been telling the truth at that time as we all know what happened afterwards.
My guess is that Broughton wasn’t hired solely to oversee the sale of the club but also to try and convince us supporters everything is under control and there’s nothing to worry about. That would make it easier for the owners to delay a potential sale in order to get as much profit as possible.
Maybe I’m starting to see conspiracies where there are none, but the yanks have been using dirty tricks of this kind before and the fact that both Broughton and Purslow were hired by Tom Hicks is in itself a reason to distrust them. When one adds to that the fact they have been telling lies or at least giving highly questionable statements, then I see no reason to believe in whatever they say in relation to LFC.
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timmytorres
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 9:25 pm
Well Lurgan you`ve said it there..it IS up to us.With enough of us on it as Fatty said,we can get something done.
My resolve is only getting stronger with every day and i`d love nothing more than to come in here and chat about our new manager who i wish the best of luck.He`ll have my 100% percent backing.
But..all this crap is after taking the soul out of me regarding football.I feel empty inside somewhat.I`m sure you all get what i`m saying.Its like we`ve been dropped in the middle of the bloody ocean and we`re swimming against the strongest current imaginable.
But..we must keep swimming so to speak,keep the fight going.
We must not rest,our day will come with Gods help.
Just got the green light from work(better late than never) to make the trip over to St Georges hall on sunday morning for the “Our Independence Day” rally.
So time to tool up i`ll try knock up a banner i dunno know what to write on it yet,i`ll accept any ideas here lads.I`ve a couple of ideas in mind but i don`t want to get arreseted either
I`ve yet to spend a night a her majesties leasure in all my years going across the pond and i don`t intend to start now!
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Aitch
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 10:14 pm
Speaking of Claire Roarke… the official site has a very good and lengthy “freeview” interview available with Roy.
… very telling is the admittance that he has Zero Transfer Budget (“work within the constraints established”) and will only get (“hopefully”) money from any possible player sales.
Good luck with that one Roy!
There’s also a free video of the players training in the new SC shirts (obviously shot prior to the World Cup) but keep an eye out for the very quick shot of Pepe down on his knees, inspecting his elbow, as though he’s thinking, “aw fuck, I’ve got me knew shirt dirty. Shit!”
CLASSIC!
BUT then there’s this…
Martin Broughton is hopeful Liverpool will be under new ownership by the end of the summer.
The Chairman today insisted nothing was certain but that the first round of bidding was likely to take place in mid-July. And he moved to assure fans that the club would be sold to the best – not the highest – bidder.
He told reporters: “There have not been any offers at this stage. There haven’t been any offers to turn down and I wouldn’t have expected there to have been at this stage. There are a number of interested parties but there’s no specific deadline on it. We are looking to the middle of July-ish for the first round of bids but that’s not a final stage – that’s a first entry through.”
“We’re hopeful – and I wouldn’t put it any stronger than that – that a deal can be done by the end of the transfer season. That was always from the outset a hope rather than necessarily an expectation, because these things can take time. We are on course, pretty well, with where we would have expected to be.”
Broughton also explained his own role in the sale, adding: “The process is well under way and if I can remind you of what that process is – I’ve been brought in to oversee the sale process. The owners have stepped aside, stepped down. I’m overseeing the process and Barclays Capital are running the process. The process is a structured one. The information memorandum has gone out to a number of people who have expressed an interest. We’re still in that process.”
Quizzed on the role owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks were playing, Broughton said: “The owners can’t block the sale of the club. I read all too frequently numbers being floated about in the media, normally associated with Tom Hicks’s name. I would like to make it clear there is no number. There is no base line.
“This is a willing buyer, willing seller auction. We will do a deal with what we consider to be the best bidder. The best bidder may not be the highest bidder. It’s about more than just money. It’s about stadium development, the team and the whole piece. Once we’ve been through the process, the best bidder gets it.”
Okay so the last part of that is all Bulshit and none of you should read it and think anything otherwise…
…but it’d be nice if the part about New Owners by the end of the summer were true…
…shit if that happens… Roy just might have a chance.
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McrRed
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 10:27 pm
Yeah Aitch, and while you’re at it get me a can of that snake-oil they’re selling…
…ain’t gonna happen.
This is the same routine they’ve used before to take the steam out of the campaign (which shows it must be working to some extent!)
Get fans talking about who the new owners will be and what players we can get in.
Ain’t gonna happen. They will still be here calling the shots come December. Mark my words.
Transfer season. You couldn’t make it up.
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 #642 |
Lurgankop
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 10:29 pm
Sachem mate, you’re starting to see the reality/truth.
What about the magic bullet for JFK, which, in contradiction to the laws of phsyics, forced his head ‘back and to the left!’
Believe what you see, not what you hear!
We are being raped from within. My advice to you is to track everything that the present LFC board says and then see what they do. Once this is misaligned, respond and respond hard!
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 #643 |
McrRed
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 10:32 pm
Remeber that article a few of you linked to way back in the 500s:
“If you listen to any of the sports stations in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, you hear a lot of people talk about how angry they are at Hicks and how he’s theoretically buried this ballclub.
The Rangers are currently in bankruptcy court with the creditors who are trying to get back the millions of dollars that are still owed to them from the sale of the team. The creditors told the presiding judge that Hicks took the lowball offer from Nolan Ryan’s group for no other reason than he wanted Ryan to be the new owner of the club.
The creditors wanted to force the Rangers to re-open bidding to see if another group would bid higher than Ryan’s group and match the dollar amount that is owed to them.
The judge ordered the two sides into mediation in early July. If that is resolved, the team may be able to make a move or two before baseball’s trade deadline at the end of July.”
Now substitute LFC for rangers and Stevie/Rafa/A.N.Other for Mike Modano…
See?
This is their modus operandi.
Stall. Confuse. Lie if necessary*
Meanwhile £110k a day plus interest…
*it’s always necessary
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 #644 |
sachem
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 11:01 pm
Lurgankop
JFK was clearly murdered by the ZOG who control everything that’s going on in the world. It’s the only explanation that makes sense! It would also explain why they never solved the murder of Swedish prime minister Olof Palme 24 years ago.
Actually, I usually view all sorts of conspiracy theorists with disdain more or less, including JFK assassination and other “classics”, but in our case it’s a matter of rather simple politics. The masses can’t be told what’s really going on behind the scenes, because that would only bring unnecessary trouble to the men in power.
Unfortunately for them, Liverpool is an institution and a football club that differs from most others in the way supporters are connected to it. Not only are there many who’ll see through the lies, but many of those will also unite and take action when that is required of them.
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timmytorres
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 11:21 pm
Sachem
Any chance the ZOG could do another murder in Dallas?
Any e-mail address for them
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 #646 |
Aitch
Posted on July 1, 2010 @ 11:54 pm
WOW… sachem… ZOG? Really?
Time to layoff the weed, lad.
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 #648 |
YNWAlancey
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 2:01 am
I can see where you’re comming from Aitch… I’ve no bones about what you’ve said either, so no worries there mate.
I’m not sure if I would’ve put myself as a Rafa basher. Especially as I’d still be supporting him if he were still here. My criticism was always about the way in which his team were performing, or rather not performing…
Rafa admitted that he had made mistakes, theres no shame in that at all. But as a supporter I cannot stand people making garauntees and not comming through on the promise. It wasn’t taken very well by me at the time that LFC would not be making the top4 and I made my opinion known. That’s not to say that I wanted to Rafa bash, but to voice my concerns at our miserable performances on the feild.
To be honest all of that is in the past and to be frank, Rafa’s accomplishments at Liverpool speak for themself.
I do/did understand that our owners/board are swines. Hence my letters that are on their way and forthcomming SOS membership…
However, from abroad, theres no way for me to know too much about the ins and outs of whats going on at Liverpool. It’s not like my Rugby League team here in NZ, where I know the ins and outs of most things that are going on by virtue of the radio, tv, fellow fans, txts, going to the game, fan clubs etc. As I’m not in England these are surely boundaries that we cannot overcome from being so far away…
The shame of it all is that I truly believe that as a supporter it is our duty to a) attend the games (which isn’t possible for me), which means revenue for our club and also keeps you in touch with your team b) buy official merchandise, again to provide revenue for your team. Unfortunately, since H & G have taken control I (sadly) have NOT brought any official merchandise. My girl loved this years gold and black european top, as did I. But theres no way I would be supporting H & G. But that in itself goes against my view of being a true supporter…What a shame that I cannot help my team out from the other side of the plannet by buying thier new kit… Such a sad state of affairs being a LFC supporter…
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sachem
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 7:40 am
Aitch and Timmy
I’ve had this problem before. Irony getting lost in translation, presumably? Time to start considering the use of smileys, though I’ve been trying to avoid that for ages.
And speaking of ages… Mr. Ormonde, where are you?
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 #650 |
Bulgar
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 8:35 am
@LB, 636
“Maybe Roy can bring ’stability’ to the club by fighting for a CL place and having a decent cup run… Oh wait hold on, isn’t that what Rafa did season in season out?”
That was exactly my reaction when I heard the goals Roy set for himself in his first LFC interview. Pure disgrace on part of the board.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 10:57 am
Lads, just had a quick look through the comments. I think it’s fair to say, we’re all underwhelmed.
But here’s the thing, there’s no point in arguing about what’s gone on. That’s exactly what they want… divide and conquer.
Well, fuck that. Don’t have it. Only together can we beat them. And that’s the Liverpool Way…
All working hard for each other, all sharing in the rewards.
To save me some time, please look in here…
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=259961.0
It’s the questions that the press should be asking, the questions we all want answering.
Mail or email them to all the relevant addresses in the thread if you can. They are starting to wobble, so, like I said, enough of us push and we can topple them.
When all the dust settles, I’ll spill a few things. But, as always, all I can say is, believe me things are happening. Between everything that’s going on we are having results. And there’s things going on behind the scenes that are taking their toll. Which is great, but here’s the problem…
If we take the pressure off, we are in the schtuk.
Don’t fall for this, the club is for sale melarkey.
See, Boughtman’s last word on that…
“Something will happen before the end of this transfer season.”
We’ll like Lurgan pointed out…
from a spade in the ground in 60 days, through to Rafa’s staying…
They have never told the truth once.
Wasn’t this supposed to be “Tom’s big summer?”
Need I say more…
Take no fucking notice. Keep at them. Get everyone you can to have a go. No matter how little or how much, it all adds up. And eventually it will shove the bastards out.
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 #652 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 11:00 am
PS… What the fuck is a “transfer season?”
Okay, I know Boughton meant window. But that just shows what these twats in our boardroom know about football… football fans me arse. Liars, thieves and con men… get them out.
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 #653 |
timmytorres
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 1:43 pm
“Transfer season” dosen`t the twat mean “Selling season”..
Thanks for postng the link there FS i`m keeping me eye out in RAWK but sometimes i fear i might be missing something with all the fight back threads in there.Fantastic work.
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 #654 |
artful_dodger74
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 1:58 pm
Something bugged me from BOUGHT-man’s interview:
I extracted this from the piece in the echo:
Who appointed you as chairman was it the banks or the owners? Why did you not listen to Kenny when he told you he felt he was the best candidate for the job? How come you have been involved in the appointment when you said you would not get involved in the day-to-day running of the club?
A. First, the owners appointed me. Secondly we have taken Kennys advice. Kenny wanted the job but we had that conversation and I told him he wasnt a candidate. Kenny, along with Christian, was asked to interview the various candidates.
Now in relation to King Kenny he says that “i told him he wasnt a candidate”.
Who the fuck gives him the authority or the remit to do this. By “I” i’m presuming the board, or maybe not the whole board but the 2 cancers and snake in the grass Purslow.
So is he trying to tell me that the board or himself or someone on the board took the decision that king kenny was not a candidate?
Lets look at whole of the board and their footballing “nous and credentials”:
1. The 2 tumours. What they know about football i could write on the ringpiece of my arse.
2. Ian Ayre: commercial director
3. Philip Nash: someone correct me but what the fuck does he do except kiss the tumours arses.
4. Purslow: a dirty backstabbing snake in the grass piece of shit banker.
5. Bought-man: another b(w)anker.
So you mean to tell me that not one of the board members have any background in footballing matters but they collectively or individually are qualified enough to tell a LFC legend, who has won countless league championships and various other trophies that he is not even going to be considered a candidate never mind be considered for the actual job.
Just gets better and better. Lies lies lies, debt debt debt and a bunch of fucking cowboys.
You couldnt actually make it up. You might as well drop them off to Alice In Wonderland and it would make more sense than this shite.
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 #655 |
timmytorres
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 2:04 pm
FS,
I did as you said,reply to Cables e-mail.I got a reply giving me an alternative address that maybe we can use.
Here it is..
Your email has been forwarded to HM Treasury as this is a Treasury Department issue and not a Department of Business, Innovation and Skills issue. If you wish to email The Rt Hon Dr Vincent Cable MP on a Business subject please note that the email address you should use is [email protected] and not this address, as this is for constituents and parliamentary matters.
Office of The Rt Hon Dr Vincent Cable MP
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 #656 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 5:03 pm
Well, it’s started…
Benayoun has gone to Chelsea… and gone for two thirds of the money Rafa was demanding. Funny for a skint club, eh.
And Timmy, well, everyone actually…
This is what’s happening. Cable’s office have now took to sending people duff addresses.
I was warned it would happen. When they can’t cope they direct you into a dead end and hope you’ll give up.
Up to you Tim, but people are answering the replies… politely pointin out that this is Cable’s business and he should do something about it…
Take a look in the fight back thread before answering.
All I can say is, they are rattled.
Oh and I have got to say this…
Well, Dirk Kuyt. It’s a shame this lad lives and plays in these times. Had he played at any other time in history, he would be a complete and utter legend.
I’ve said it a million time, I’ll say it again…
Our Derek, the most under rated, under appreciated and harshly criticised player in the game.
A fantastic player. And that’s from someone who’s first hero was Peter Thompson and has always loved a bit of flash. But I take me hat off to Dirk, a man I’d have in any team of mine.
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 #657 |
sachem
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
Agreed FS, Deadly Dirk is magnificent. Every time you hear someone say he’s not good enough for Liverpool (don’t know about you fellas, but I’ve heard it said many times by so called Liverpool supporters) you can be certain that person don’t understand football.
If it was Dirk leaving for Chelsea for such a small amount of money, I’d be devastated. Benny is a player I always liked, not only for his skills on the pitch, he also seem like a level-headed and thoughtful man. Though I would like to hear Broughton answer why on earth we would sell him for less than what he’s worth (I suppose Claire wasn’t allowed to ask that question yesterday) I do think Jovanovic would be a very good replacement for Benny.
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 #658 |
Aitch
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 6:24 pm
No irony lost sachem… hence the “weed” comment!
But FS… you seem to forget the FACT that Dirk simply wouldn’t walk into any other top Premier League Team. He just wouldn’t.
…Okay sure, he keeps his place, tournament after tournament, in a World Cup Semi-Finalist Team… one that just beat Brazil, the uber-flash team of footy-history, but …errr… never mind…
See sachem… irony safely and securely in place.
Now then.
Martin Broughton 3 days ago: – “No players will be sold until the new manager has had a chance to look over the team and assess the situation and his needs.”
Today: – One day… that’s one day after the new manager’s appointment… BennyOnion is sold to the Chavs for 6mill in a deal that “was agreed with, and sanctioned by Rafael Benitez 4 weeks ago.”
That sound you hear is my head doing that cartoon spinning, swelling, eyes popping, yaddeee-yaddee-yaddeee-bah-hoooogah!
They really do think we are stupid and look upon us with utter contempt… unfortunately too many fans confirm their opinnion.
And we’re only two days into this fuckin transfer “season” and Citeh have already bought Jerome Boateng, David Silva and now Yaya Toure… so errr… yeah… good luck with that whole priority of “getting back into the top 4″ there Roy!
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 #659 |
Aitch
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 6:36 pm
Here’s another concern…
During his interview with Claire Roarke… Roy stated that meetings were being arranged for him, to speak with Carra And SG.
Sky showed SG driving away in his Jag after an hour and a half meeting… yesterday afternoon…
… yet no announcement today that SG is staying???
Instead we get the Benny sale announcement… with a sentence conveniently blaming his departure on Rafa.
Hmmm… Smokescreen?
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 #660 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 6:41 pm
No Aitch he wouldn’t. He’s far too loyal for that. But you know what… you know them Dutch, Cruyff, Neeskens, Van Basten, Gullett, and so on and so on and so on…
Have a guess who’s won more caps in succession than any of them…
Yep. That dead shite player Rafa wasted billions on and played in the wrong position.
Oh well, nothing new there then.
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timmytorres
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
I won`t be fobbed off FS i`ll keep at them as we all are.
Dirk was a credit to himself today.Kept his head whist all others around him were losing theirs,most notably the brazilians.Completely in control of the game today before the first dutch goal.
Can`t wait for sunday now.I fecking did my hamstring this morning in a five aside so i`ll be hobbling around!
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 #662 |
LondonBarnes
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 8:15 pm
This is very telling. Quotes from Hodgson regarding Gerrard:
“I’m hoping that he will have enough loyalty to the club and will be interested enough to work with me and give it some time together. It is easy to say the right things but you know as well as I do it is not words Stevie wants, he wants actions.
“He wants to see the club make strides forward, he wants to see that alongside players of his quality there will be other players of that quality being signed by the club. And, of course, he is wise enough to know that I cannot give him that guarantee.”
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 #663 |
timmytorres
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 8:37 pm
I hope stevie gives us one more year LB,but only if he`s prepared to give his lot.If the club is still in this position in 12 months time then i wouldn`t begrudge anybody leaving.
I`m hoping our top players stay because quite frankly were not bringing much in.That said if SG is going to use that as an ultimatum knowing damn well there won`t be any quality coming in then he`ll lose a little respect from me.
As one of the greatest,if not the greatest player to put on a red shirt i`ll be forever gratful for what he`s done for us.He actually owes LFC nothing after giving us his best years,but if he wants to leave then stevie lad,just come out and say it.
If not,then lets allpull togetther,hang on to what we have and move forward,its all the team can be asked to do.
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Aitch
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 10:26 pm
LB, Those comments sound to me, like a man who will be wearing White next season?
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 #665 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 10:56 pm
He wore white most of last season an all.
And I’d leave it at that bit of sarcasm, but…
Benayoun is just the tip of the ice berg.
Like I said, why did Broughton say, we have a buyer all set up for the end of the transfer “season?”
Well, obviously this is just conjecture, but the fact is I can already see the ready made excuse…
“well, yes of course we sold players, but we never bought any because we thought the new owners would like to buy the players they wanted and they pulled out of the deal to late. But you watch… next transfer window will be big.”
And no doubt it will as the likes of Torres and Gerrard think… fuck this I’m off.
It’s not rocket science. In fact, they’ve done that often I can already see the next lie being made to cover the last lie and the latest lie being said to pave the ground for the next lie.
In fact, the one thing you can take about our hirarchy for certain is…
if it’s lips are moving, it’s lying.
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 #666 |
sachem
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 11:32 pm
It has bothered me for a long time that the American owners can just get away with what they have done to our club and continue with their business and their luxurious life styles like nothing happened. When they sell – whenever that is – they will most likely continue with their criminal franchising. This is not regarded as “bad enough” for governments to do something about.
Barack Obama has been trying to deal with banks and businessmen with a similar mentality to our owners since he was elected, but in too many respects his hands are tied and Hicks & Gillette (and many others like them) can continue with their business without fear of getting held accountable for the immoral aspects of it. They probably think they’re doing honest pieces of business. It’s a different world they’re living in. Lies and deceit and sucking football clubs try has no relevance to them. It’s all part of the game, as certain characters from The Wire would say.
Broughton must know damn well lying is part of the task set up for him by the owners. Officially it’s not of course, but I’m sure Tom Hicks explained it all to him before the appointment, what had to be said in interviews to keep supporters quiet. It’s all part of the game.
Adam Curtis could probably piece together a great documentary about all the dirty things going on within football clubs of today, the inner workings of it and how it came to be. It’s never going to happen though, since it’s just not considered important enough compared to other dirty things going on in the world. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how important it is for all of us supporters.
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sachem
Posted on July 2, 2010 @ 11:43 pm
Oh, #666, I wonder what sort of occult conspiracy I have gotten myself into here… time for some sleep I think.
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 #668 |
Fat Scouser
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 2:04 am
Sachem, sorry to tell you this mate, but there’s a reason why you can’t quite make out why all this could happen and how or why they could do it….
That’s because you’re a decent human being, with morals and standards.
They on the otherhand, are a completely different brand of person. I’ll tell you something about the likes of Tom Hicks….
nevermind football clubs, they would suck the life out of new born babes if they thought it would give them 5 minutes more life… yep. I meant every word of that. That is how bad they are. That is why they have to go.
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Aitch
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 3:08 am
AH… SHIT!
I can’t believe I missed out on post #666 … I may have to retire my Gravatar.
Very poor show! And I call myself a Maiden Fan…
“6…6…9… the number of the….errr… Beast’s third cousin… twice removed….”
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 #670 |
gazmaninaus
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 8:02 am
Lads here’s some laughs, I think we need it.
.
What’s the difference between Cinderella and the England football team?
Cinderella wanted to get to the ball….
Osama bin Laden has just released a new TV message to prove he is still alive. He said that the England Team performance on Saturday was completely s**t. British intelligence have dismissed the claim, stating that the message could have been recorded anytime in the last 44 years.
Robert Green – The only man to leave Africa with out catching anything .
In a statement from broadcasting house, all future England games will now be shown on the gay porn channel. It is thought that 11 arseholes being regularly shafted is too explicit for regular TV.
I can’t believe we only managed a draw against a s**t team we should easily have beaten……I’m ashamed to call myself Algerian.
The England team went to visit an orphanage in South Africa this morning, “its so good to put a smile on the faces of people with no hope, constantly struggling, and facing the impossible” said Jamal Omboto, aged 6.
Fifa have released a statement saying the fan didn’t break into the dressing room after all, but was let in by Rob Green.
What’s the difference between Rob Green’s spill and BP’s spill?
Robert Green has got a cap for his.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 10:12 am
670: Gaz, I agree. It’s about time we raised a few smiles around here. So, have a go of this…
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news//tm_headline=liverpool-fc-borrowed-too-much-cash-says-boss-of-rbs%26method=full%26objectid=26777353%26siteid=100252-name_page.html
Oh yes. I am first to admit, it has been a real drag lately. I see it’s been that much of a drag for some people that I’ve even stopped reporting on what’s happening and just giving out links. Shame they couldn’t be bothered even helping. But to all my good friends and triers in here take a bow lads.
It may seem like small potatoes but stop and think about this…. Believe me, we are starting to rattle these buggers. And there’s some very very important people getting some very very cold feet about dealing with H&G. We keep this up, we can get them.
Anyone interested in helping, you know the script by now… email or snail mail, bang one of to Mr Hester, being nice and polite, commenting on this story. My own will go along the lines of sharing his fears, the damage that is being done to LFC and the reputation of RBS, and asking what they are going to do about it.
But once again, thanks again lads. I’m proud of you. Together we can do this.
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 #672 |
rome77
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
Although the criteria for whats a good manager changes with the wind i do think Roy with a long past and no glory fits the bill for Liverpool right now.
Roys win ratio overall isn’t too impressive but his defensive/negative tactics will suit the counter attacking style.( which as been successful in the WC ).
Roys dealings in the Transfer Market have been hit and miss ( Like every other manager )but with the lack of funds i dont think that will be a issue.
Roys history of not really been around long enough to develop any future stars is irrelevant as long as Kenny stays.
Which leaves us with his motivation/man management which is impeccable to date.
Finally and most importantly (according to our board ) the media love him.
Now i know its got nothing to do with football,but for the new generation of football fan its a bit like Big Brother or X factor so how the media portray him will define his success.
Welcome to LFC Roy hope you do well.
YNWA
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 #673 |
sachem
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 10:01 pm
I’m thinking maybe it’s good for us Torres has had a more or less terrible World Cup so far. People are talking about lacking match fitness, but he usually only require a game or two to get back to his best. There’s something else bothering him at the moment. It could be that Spain pass the ball around too much and don’t use the running capacity of Fernando properly. Del Bosque should be clever enough to fix that one would think. Maybe Torres is just so gutted that Rafa is no longer his manager.
On one hand it might be good for us that he hasn’t been performing well in the World Cup, because clubs might decide to put their money elsewhere. On the other hand it might just lower the price of him and we’ll get significantly less than he’s really worth. Not that I believe Roy will see much of that money anyway, no matter what Broughton says.
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 #674 |
sachem
Posted on July 3, 2010 @ 10:04 pm
Great to see Pepe being the first one from bench congratulating David Villa for his goal tonight. Incredible keeper we have, even when he’s not playing!
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sachem
Posted on July 4, 2010 @ 10:50 am
That article by Fanning is spot on in many regards. A breath of fresh air compared to the nonsense written by Paul Hayward of the Guardian earlier this week.
I wouldn’t however agree with the assertion that “there were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez” from Fanning’s article.
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 #677 |
Lurgankop
Posted on July 4, 2010 @ 10:57 am
Great read that Kiwi. Thanks for posting the link.
Good luck to all the lads and lasses who attend the independence day rally today. Let’s keep the momentum going.
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 #678 |
Kiwi_Mark_LFC
Posted on July 4, 2010 @ 11:56 am
#676 – Sachem – I didnt like that bit either…
Oh well…as with FS – Hodgson has my support and I live in hope…I pray and wish for the best…but my heart is heavy with the way Rafa has been treated and the reality that Liverpool are going to be also rans for a long time to come – even a sale may not help us much – or more accurately it will take us a long time to recover – such is the damage done to the club by the evil that owns us…and again like FS I will never forgive the traitors and fools…
I begin to think the best thing now would be for the club to be forced into administration…at least that way a decent owner may be found…someone who would run it properly…but as it stands now we really need a sugar daddy to undo the mess the rednecks have created…
Just think…if Moores hadnt sold – even with only 20 million a year transfer spend what Rafa could have achieved…
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 #679 |
guinnessdrinker
Posted on July 4, 2010 @ 12:56 pm
fanning usually nails it. good article. hope the independence day is going well. moores could have borrowed £300 and built the stadium 10 years ago the debt would more than likely be repaid within the next five years and we’d still be owned by someone who gives a shit.
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 #680 |
guinnessdrinker
Posted on July 4, 2010 @ 12:56 pm
(that should read £300 million.)
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 #681 |
Lurgankop
Posted on July 5, 2010 @ 10:49 am
Did any of you lads make it to the rally yesterday? Anyone willing to give a short summary of what happened?
Cheers.
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 #682 |
burgerman
Posted on July 5, 2010 @ 12:37 pm
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
Looks as if Riera is staying.With a transfer budget of £12 mill, incl salaries, it’s hardly a surprise.
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Fat Scouser
Posted on July 5, 2010 @ 1:00 pm
I never went to the Rally Lurgan. Just couldn’t make it. I saw a 20 second, if it was that long, report on Sky.
They said there was about 2000 people there. It was between 8 and 10,000. There was speeches by people like Aldridge, there was internationally known muscians/bands and comedians. And apparently it was a really good day out, loads of laughs and some important work done.
If it had been our Norwich City scarf wearing friends down the road, it would be splashed all over the media today. But this is what we’re up against.
And I really shouldn’t say this yet, but fuck it…
if they aren’t going to put our struggle in their papers, we’ll do it ourselves.
Can’t say too much yet, but keep an eye on The Times.
Oh and the shirt has been launched. I’ll put a link in for anyone who wants one in a minute.
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DJGAZZA
Posted on July 6, 2010 @ 8:25 am
I’m sorry FS but 2000 is about right for the attendance. Karen Gill’s speech was quite stirring and the 2 guys who did Duelling Banjos were brilliant
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