Suso wanted by Bristol City

By This Is Anfield on June 12, 2012

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• http://www.facebook.com/rhys.ingles Rhys Ingles

  I think Suso should get more games for us next season. If not can Bristol City be trusted, it could bring his game on heaps and bounds or it could hinder is career.

  • Intelligent Fan

    Rhys – What is your ambition as a fan? Do you want LFC to win the Premiership? FA cup? Europa Leage? League cup? Or are you like me and want them to win all of them?
    I ask because you seem to want Suso to play lots of games next season. This is a guy who played lots last season for the reserves who couldn’t win any trophies. Explain to me therefore how a player like this will all of a sudden leapfrog players like Downing etc and start delivering BIG trophies for LFC next season?

    • tickleyfeet29

      I don’t believe that Rhys was commenting on Liverpool’s potential to win trophies, more that he sees potential in Suso as an individual and wonders whether a loan move to Bristol would be beneficial to his development..

      I would have thought that an intelligent person such as you might have been able to read the subtext.

      • Intelligent Feet

        gammyfeet – I know what Rhys was saying – I don’t need uneducated people like yourself to tell me. I’m asking Rhys what his ambition is as a fan – I’m not saying Rhys was commenting on Liverpools potential to win trophies am I? I’m the one asking questions of Rhys but presumably you are not intelligent enough to see this.
        So to put it simply for you – Rhys is saying Suso should play more games. I am therefore questioning this logic as I personally want Liverpool to WIN games and with Suso in we will be less successful won’t we?

        • tickleyfeet29

          Thanks for clarifying.

          So I presume that you expect 25 year old world class players to appear in our academy? As opposed to giving the better talent (whatever level that talent might be) the chance to step up and develop at a higher level.

          So am I right in thinking you’re just an intelligent person in a pub quiz sense rather than in a footballing sense? Your comments so far have suggested an appalling understanding of football, as a business and as an ever-evolving sport.

        • Intelligent Man

          You presume wrong of course – but then neither of us can be surprised at that. You hopelessly misjudged my initial observation to Rhys and again have done it here. It’s difficult for me to use up a great asset that is time on someone so uneducated as yourself.
          You need to come back to me with far more intelligence. You need to analyse your wayward comments and articulate them into something meaningful. Start off by explaining WHY my comments have been appalling and measure them intelligently. I look forward for more sense from you.

        • tickleyfeet29

          Lame, lame excuse for someone who can’t think of anything witty to say.. I apologise for taking up your time anyway, you obviously have put your intelligence to good use and have a demanding career – being that you’re so busy on this Thursday afternoon. Liverpool for 5th – that would be a huge improvement, being that we’ve stalled for about 3 seasons and made no significant progress, bar the Carling Cup. Fingers crossed that half of our midfield don’t come back from the Euros injured.

        • Intelligent Man

          I’m not a comedian fungal feet, I’m not here to entertain you but to educate you.
          I am busy this afternoon on this website so I don’t get your point? Do you want me being busy doing something else and if so, what and why?

        • Ash

          What is it exactly that you were trying to educate this young man on?… That somehow, insecurity, self righteous indignation and blind egotism, are traits to be coveted and desired amongst the masses?
          Both of these guys made valid points, yet seemingly all you wanted to do was attack them for the sake of it. People come to this website to read, post their opinions and hopefully debate (in a mature manner). No one, I repeat, no one, needs a part time football fan, with massive insecurity complex (and most probably no prior footballing experience), throwing his considerable weight about. So if you can’t manage a civil discourse, then do everyone a favour and f#ck off!

• tomtiboopo

  I like Suso, but doubt he will get much chance to impress in the first-team. Hopefully Bristol City can be a good platform for him to gain some playing time.

• mick the kidder

  Suso is a great young talent for us, i think he should be loaned out for a season it will only enhance his game, Suso will i think break into the first team in a seasons time, he reminds me of a young Fabregas and hopefully will become as good has his fellow countryman, he as the potential just needs to be given this opportunity.

  • Intelligent Man

    I bet Pacheco reminded you of a young Fabregas to – now look at him! Think about it, Fabregas was 16 when he was playing for Arsenal. Suso is no way near the level of Fabregas and never will be.

    • mick the kidder

      Dont try and tell me that i thought Pacheco was like Fabregas? Your wrong once again. Your not psychic or that intelligent as you obviously would like to think.

      • Intelligent Fan

        MOST fans thought Pacheco was the new Fabregas – I wasn’t talking specifically about YOU Mickey! As they say in Liverpool “calm down, calm down”!
        Isn’t it funny how Mick actually rhymes with “thick”….

        • mick the kidder

          Isin`t it funny it also rhymes with with an annoying little ” P..k” like you.

        • Intelligent Man

          Yes you’re so right – Mick does rhyme with “P…k” – some would say that is ironic wouldn’t they!

        • ianmcd31

          It takes an intelligent person to realise just how little they know. Not one intelligent person would ever consider describing themselves as such.

        • Intelligent Man

          ianmcd – Do you work at McDonalds given your username?
          Of course intelligent people would call themselves intelligent, why wouldn’t they? If you’re saying no one ever has done then what’s wrong with “breaking the rules” and being creative? Either way you are an epic fail.

        • ianmcd31

          ianmcd – Do you work at McDonalds given your username? The work of an intelligent person?

        • Intelligent Fan

          ianmdc – Not sure what you are saying here McDonalds boy but I assume you do work for the burger flippin’ joint which doesn’t surprise me.
          Our conversation ends here – I can’t waste my precious time talking nonsense with the likes of you.

• Intelligent always

  Will Suso go down the same route as Hammill, Darby, Potter, Dalle Valle etc and be a complete flop or will he make the grade? At 18 he should be in the first team if he was that good, look at the OX for example.
  The problem is Liverpool fans always turn to these boys in times of trouble. When Liverpool are losing it’s always the classic lack of intelligence where they say “play the kids” and assume these kids will be good enough to beat top Premiership teams. Lets remember these kids of ours can’t even win their own league!

• Intelligent always

  Does anyone know where the new stadium is that FSG promised us 18 months ago? I thought an announcement was due a couple of weeks ago on this?

  • DLF

    They didn’t. We aren’t getting a new stadium unless someone else pays for it (a naming rights partner). Arsenal got into heavy debt to finance the Emirates (15m – 20m year interest payments). We just go rid of a big chunk of crippling debt, no sense getting some more just for 15000 extra seats.

    • Intelligent Fan

      When FSG took over the club, Christian Purslwo (and that Chelsea fan who was brought in to sell us off) were both asked if a new stadium would be built under the new owners and they said “yes”.
      There shouldn’t be any debt in building a nice big £400 million stadium – the owners should have that money ready to spend shouldn’t they? That should have been the commitment they made to the club when they took over.

      • DLF

        That was what they were hoping for in a buyer but in the end it was FSG or Mill Financial with Hicks still in control. I am pretty sure redevelop Anfield was always the preferred option as far as FSG were concerned. If you can find a quote suggesting otherwise I would be interested to read it.

        • Intelligent Man

          So basically the people involved in selling the club failed? The intention was to take the club from H&G and give it to owners with stacks of cash who were in the words of Martin Broughton “the very best owners”. But they’re not are they? In fact what is the difference between FSG and Hicks & Gillette exactly?

        • DLF

          I don’t understand, are you suggesting they could have coerced someone else into buying the club? How does that work exactly? Broughton and co. were working to a timetable imposed by the banks and they had to take the best offer. If you would rather Hicks still be in control or even liquidation then we will have to agree to disagree. How do FSG differ from H&G? 30m a year interest payments but apart from that we’ll just have to wait and see. Easy to say I know. So, Suso isn’t that good then?

        • Intelligent Fan

          DLF – Of course they should have been more intelligent about it. Coerced is something less intelligent people do to try and get the best deal for themselves. Intelligent people see things happening before they happen. Purslow and co are not very intelligent and sold off to a bunch of clowns (Hicks & Gillette part 2) because they had this deadline. If they were more intelligent they would have found far better owners far quicker wouldn’t they?
          FSG may have solved some sort of temporary financial difficulty but the “no debt” statement made through an irritating face of Purslow doesn’t wash for me. I’m not celebrating no debt, I celebrate success. No debt is a bare minimum requirement. I want to see FSG put up BIG money for a BIG stadium and BIG players. I want to know what they have done with the £70 million KD gave them when he sold Torres, Miereles etc. If it was reinvested in players then how much exactly have FSG given out of their pockets? We both know it ain’t a lot!

        • DLF

          I’m not sure what you expect them to do regarding the sale. None of the bidders offered to buy us a stadium. I mean, I want to sell you a sofa and I want you to buy me a new telly as well. If you say no what do I do? Hold my breath? Scream? In the real world you can’t just conjure up an Abramovich. Hicks already turned down buyers Purslow had found for him, he was holding out for 1bn. The cock. Thats when the banks got pissed off and brought in Broughton so he couldn’t keep blocking a sale.

          Are FSG going to take money out of, say, the Red Sox and hand it to us? I doubt it. Quite frankly I don’t think we have been a well run club since John Smith and Peter Robinson. Personally I don’t want a ‘sugar daddy’ buying the latest galactico, I just want us to go back to being a well-run club and win by our own efforts. I don’t know if FSG are going to do that but there’s sweet FA I can do about it any more than I could do anything about the doubts I had about David Moores all those years ago.

        • Intelligent Fan

          DLF – Conjuring up is what magicians do. If I don’t want to buy your smelly sofa then there is ALWAYS someone else that does – have the intelligence to find them!
          We are a poorly run club absolutely. LiFC lacks intelligence doesn’t it!

        • tickleyfeet29

          I have stuff to do (I thought you were busy mate?) so, as nice as it has been gaining an insight into your warped view of football, you’ll have to go find yourself a girlfriend who can keep you occupied for a bit. I suggest that you make sure she’s clueless when it comes to football! By the way, if you think football is the same as it was in 1906, you’ve just shot yourself down in flames there… keepers are a recognised position, they wear separate strips, they can’t pick the ball up anywhere in their own half anymore, the offside rule has been introduced to name but a few (Buy yourself ‘Inverting the Pyramid’ learn a thing or two about the sport).. From a business perspective, have a think about advertising – indirectly influences player wages, stadium re/development, how we watch football, ticket prices, the type of players your team can attract… Good luck on Football Manager 1906.

        • Intelligent Man

          I like you tickly – you tickle me in all of the right places and make me chuckle! I’ll go and tickle my girlfriend now in other places.

        • DLF

          It’s quite simple, if you are right then Hicks and Gillette will win their lawsuit.

        • DLF

          If the English directors failed to find the best owners they could, Hicks and Gillette will win their lawsuit. Simple as that.

        • tickleyfeet29

          You need to stop playing Football Manager mate – you can’t cheat the game in real life.

          Modern football’s a business.

        • Intelligent always

          “Modern football” DLF? Sounds like another media saying to me that one! I’m always interested when people like you reel off classic terms like:
          “The game’s moved on”
          “Modern football”
          “Holding midfielders, wing back” etc etc
          It’s all nonsense printed by the media that thick fans latch on to and use without thinking through things themself. How is “modern football” differnt to football from 1906 exactly? I’ll answer – it isn’t! Football is about the best club winning trophies and always will be.

        • DLF

          “Modern Football”. Not me guv, I didn’t say that. Changed a bit though: Player power – the abolition of the maximum wage, the Bossman rule, agents. Equipment: pitches like a snooker table rather than a potato field and a ball that doesn’t weigh a metric ton sopping wet. Training and tactics. 1928 England 1 Scotland 5 – Scotland demonstrate pass and move. 1957 England 3 Hungary 6 – Hungarian players didn’t stay were they were supposed to. 1966 Liverpool 0 Ajax 4 ‘Rinus Michels Dutch Total Football’. And so on. But at the basic level it’s all about winning not, I agree.

• curtis jones

  oh god some of you are negative, suso is the best player in the reserves, now sterling has moved up, he plays all the time for spain u19s and was wanted by madrid and Barcelona before we signed him

  • Intelligent Man

    Curtis 0 Do you think Barcelona or Real Madrid would take him now? I doubt it. After all – if those 2 really wanted him they would just get him.

    • curtis jones

      who knows, but they saw the talent he had, hes footwork passing vision is excellent, he would suit the new ‘passing system’ very well

      • Intelligent Fan

        Well I know! As I said – if they wanted him they would have him as they are far bigger than Liverpool right now. They don’t want him and that tells you most of what you ened to know.
        Yes he has some ability Suso but so did Pacheco and co. Most likely in 2 years Suso will be playing for Malaga or something and we’ll never hear of him again. You know I’m right.

        • Brendan Rodgers

          “Intelligent Fan” ha that’s a laugh, first of all curtis is right and should be stronger in his defence of the young lad. Suso is one of the most exciting players in our academy and widely talented for 18 years of age.. Who writes off such a talented young lad at OUR club? Second, you refer to Malaga in a derogatory sense which shows just how much you know about world football. Malaga are in the Champions League next year, financially one of the richest clubs in the world and in 2 years time will be a big club in the City/Chelsea of Spain mould.. So yeah, they might be able to snatch him up but clubs like Madrid and Barca can’t just take whoever they want despite your misinformed beliefs..

• http://www.facebook.com/sayed.ahmed.77 Sayed Ahmed

  Why hasnt he played for the 1st team if he’s that good?

  • Intelligent Fan

    He’s not that good – that’s the point!

    • mick the kidder

      People thought the same about Ian Rush when he first came to Anfield, But they soon changed there tune.

      • Intelligent Fan

        “There” tune Mick???
        Yes you are right about Ian Rush so thanks for that example. But as always there are 2 sides to every story isn’t there? People also thought the same about Hammill, Potter, Idrizaj, Dalle Valle, Ngoo and other youth cup winners of yesteyear and all of them failed.
        I imagine I can probably reel off many more that have failed against your one example of someone that didn’t!

        • mick the kidder

          Yes ok i agree, there has been a lot of under performers who haven`t lived upto some peoples expectations. “Change there tune” its an old expression, meaning changing your opinion completely. having been proven wrong. Hope that answers your question.

        • Intelligent Fan

          I’m afraid it doesn’t answer my question Mick – I want to know why you wrote “there” instead of “their” – please answer?
          Thanks for agreeing with me as well.

        • mick the kidder

          Ok you got me “there” but it won’t happen again teacher.

        • Intelligent Man

          Just make sure it doesn’t Mick! Don’t worry I won’t charge you a tuition fee on this occassion – I like to dish out free education.

        • xxxander007

          It’s Dalla Valle. I wouldn’t correct someone else’s spelling if I wasn’t sure about mine, you know.

          Suso deserves a chance. I say 4 months at Bristol + a few games for LFC would do wonders for him.

    • Dan

      david silva made a top flight debut at the age of 20, STEVEN GERRARD who matured physically quite fast made his debut at 19. at reserve level liverpool are one of the sides who put out the youngest teams, and the achievements of the reserve team are actually hugely impressive considering that.
      oxlade-chamberlain is a fast winger, the earliest type of player likely to break through, players like suso (even the likes of xavi) take until 19/20 to break through.
      you literally haven’t got a clue judging by your above posts.

• Kbothwell

  Suso is a good young talent and Is certainly more capable tha spearing and possibly shelvy. The issue I have is the same as with sterling. Namely does he have the strength and physicality needed for the premier league football? Neither seem strongly built and while sterling has speed and can get away with more on the wing I feel premier league central midfielders need strength and energy in abundance nowadays as big guys like yaya toure will over run them otherwise. Even though he is only 2 years older henderson has 2 years prem league experience and covered more yards than any other Liverpool player last season. Perhaps idiots like intelligent man should get of his back as he will come good. As for suso I think that if he builds up he could do well but it’s a case of could not will

  • Dan

    you don’t need to be concerned about that- he’s taller than david silva, and as for build that’s just what 18 year olds often look like, besides he has such a low centre of gravity it’s difficult to get the ball of him. at u19 level he’s one of the players it’s particularly difficult to get the ball of- and while his opponents will grow in stature, so will he.

    in terms of a size issue, there should be no problem, i agree he needs to bulk up a little but that’s true of any midfielder aged 18. it’s not like he’s anorexic right now either.

  • Intelligent Pants

    Kboffwell – You call me an idiot without any intelligent justification so firstly I want you to come back and explain in articulate detail why this is.
    Secondly – why are you so obsessed with strength and physicality when these are just secondary traits of a great player. McManaman was a stick but that didn’t stop him being brilliant. Remember Juninho at Boro etc etc?
    You do realise that football is played with the mind and feet don’t you? Being big and strong is great for Mr Universe competitions but almost pointless in football. If someone big and tough comes and shoves you off the ball, you get a foul. If they keep doing it you keep getting free kicks and win games. The big tough fella gets sent off. It’s simple really.
    What we both know of course is that you are reeling off another classic media line that we here thick journalists come out with all the time. Try and think fro yourself and challenge yourself to become a more intelligent person.

    • ssrh

      Just look at Luka Modric for damage a small fella can cause. The English obsession with size is ironic. Come on Noby Stiles was smaller than Suso. If you have skills and balls , dont matter how big you are.

    • Gedzeh

      Are you having a laugh mate? half of the balls a midfielder will challenge for are 50/50 and if you’re stronger than your opponent then that increases the odds of you winning the ball. You talk about intelligence and ironically don’t understand the meaning of the word!

• ianmcd31

  Shelvey at West Brom on loan? how about Downing, Spearing or Hendo instead. Anyways it’s way too early to be making agreements for players to go on loan when we have a new manager that needs to look at his options. I’m hoping Sterling and Shelvey will flourish under Rodgers.

• PatrickTheRed

  Rodgers will get the best out of the young attacking players in the coming seasons.

• YNWA

  Loan him to a premier league club. There are major differences between premier league and Championship.

• http://twitter.com/seanyw11 seanyw

  Keep Suso, Coady and use them, like Sterling.
  It takes matches for youngster to mature. Gerrard wasn’t loaned out to get experience when he’s young… neither did Mcmanaman nor Fowler I guess? Give the boys some chances here.
  Our current midfield aren’t working well now anyway, why not give it a try?

• jack

  @Intelligent Man or fan… whatever….. wow you are clueless… i bet you are one of those fans who think they know everything about football… I bet you don’t even live in Liverpool…. perhaps an Aussie who follows the A League…

  • Intelligent Fan

    Jack – Another vague comment by a simpleton liek yourself. Explain in intelligent detail how I am “clueless” and support this with factual and accurate detail. Anyone can come on a forum and call people names, I think people learnt to do that when they were 6 years old.
    And on another note – why do I have to live in Liverpool?

• tommygun

  Well getting out and getting some competitive first team football will do him more good at this stage than just plugging away in the reserves, so it could be a good move for him.

  Good luck to him & hopefully whatever loan move materialises helps him to develop further.

• CMK

  I hope Clarke takes Henderson, Downing & Spearing with him to West Brom although these three probably wouldn’t make the subs bench there