Liverpool 0-1 Man United: Listless Reds punished for lack of cutting edge

on 17.01.2016

With some strong creative flourished hampered by a lack of clinical touch in attack, Liverpool fell to a 1-0 defeat to Manchester United at Anfield.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Sunday, January 17, 2016: Liverpool's captain Jordan Henderson in action against Manchester United during the Premier League match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Liverpool 0-1 Manchester United

Premier League – Anfield – Sunday 17th January 2016

Goals: Rooney 78′

After an enthralling 3-3 draw at home to Arsenal on Wednesday night, Jurgen Klopp faced another tough challenge as north-west rivals United took to Anfield on Sunday afternoon.

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Ahead of the game, much of the focus was on the rivalry enjoyed between Liverpool and United over the years, and while the two sides went into this clash in 9th and 6th place respectively, it represented a hugely important fixture.

Making just one change to the side that drew with the Gunners, Klopp brought in Lucas Leiva for Jordon Ibe, with the German clearly looking to shore up his midfield against United’s 4-2-3-1.

It proved to be a hopeless, with Liverpool falling to a 1-0 defeat, and Klopp must now look for reinforcements in the attacking sector.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Sunday, January 17, 2016: Liverpool's Adam Lallana sees his header saved by Manchester United's goalkeeper David de Gea during the Premier League match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

It took 10 minutes for either side to create an opening, and Liverpool’s first opportunity came from the feet of Lucas, with the Brazilian curling a long pass over the United defence and into the path of Adam Lallana, who was unable to beat an onrushing David de Gea on the bounce.

Liverpool continued this direct attacking approach, with a sumptuous, raking pass from Roberto Firmino giving James Milner a chance on the right flank, but the Englishman could not convert.

This set the tone for the first half-hour, with Klopp’s midfield rotating positions and dictating play with some impressive direct passing play, but without any clear openings in the United penalty area.

Henderson came closest for the Reds during this period, with Lucas and Firmino combining to lay a ball into the captain’s path in the box, but he was unable to send it beyond De Gea.

The 25-year-old saw the best of the opportunities as the first half went on, but consistently failed to find the net with some ambitious efforts.

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Firmino had a penalty call ignored by referee Mark Clattenburg on 38 minutes, after being bundled over on the ball by Anthony Martial, with the United winger making his first contribution to proceedings.

United’s flow was disrupted even further as Ashley Young was forced to withdraw himself through injury, with 18-year-old Cameron Borthwick-Jackson taking his place.

However, as Clattenburg blew for half-time the scores remained even, and Klopp could perhaps feel disappointed in his side’s work in the final third.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Sunday, January 17, 2016: Liverpool's Emre Can sees his shot saved by Manchester United's goalkeeper David de Gea during the Premier League match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Liverpool kept up the tempo after the interval, with Emre Can coming closest to putting his side 1-0 up in the first minutes of the second half, but De Gea was on hand to divert the German’s low shot behind goal.

Martial then found himself in a similar position in the Liverpool box, but the Frenchman was unable to add to his tally against the Reds as he fired his effort just wide of Mignolet’s goal.

Henderson had another opportunity after some wonderful attacking play from Firmino, but the ex-Sunderland midfielder once again spurned his effort, side-footing straight into De Gea’s grasp.

Louis van Gaal was the first to roll the dice tactically, replacing Jesse Lingard with Juan Mata on 66 minutes.

However, it was his Spaniard at the other end that kept Van Gaal’s side in it, with De Gea making two outstanding saves to stop Can and Firmino.

Seemingly following the narrative, Wayne Rooney then went on to put United 1-0 up on 78 minutes, powering home from close range after a Fellaini effort hit the crossbar.

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Klopp then went for it, bringing Kolo Toure off and introducing Christian Benteke, moving Lucas into defence and switching to an attacking 4-2-4 formation.

But with an air of inevitability spreading around Anfield as the contest drew to a close, the Belgian was unable to make the difference.

Despite dominating throughout, a lack of cutting edge cost Klopp’s Reds, and the German’s desire to sign a striker will no doubt swell following this poor attacking showing on Merseyside.

TIA Man of the Match: Roberto Firmino

Liverpool: Mignolet; Clyne, Toure (Benteke 81′), Sakho, Moreno; Lucas, Henderson, Can; Lallana (Ibe 76′), Milner (Caulker 19′), Firmino

Subs not used: Ward, Smith, Allen, Teixeira.

Manchester United: De Gea; Young (Borthwick-Jackson 42′), Smalling, Blind, Darmian; Fellaini, Schneiderlin; Lingard (Mata 66′), Herrara (Depay 72′), Martial; Rooney

Subs not used: Romero, McNair, Varela, Pereira.


MATCH REPORT: Listless Reds punished for lack of cutting edge

FAN REACTIONS: “No top four this season”

TACTICAL OVERVIEW: Attacking deficiency restricts Reds

PRESS CONFERENCE: Klopp dejected

PLAYER RATINGS: Sakho and Toure good, Lallana and Can not


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  1. Listless

    They took our hearts and stomped on it.
    This will take awhile to recover from… And before this has healed, I’m sure they will rip at it again.

    Even if they did fight, passion cannot compensate for the deep lack of actual talent in some players.

        • that’s funny, hes my worst

          EDIT: not necessarily the worst on the pitch, he just kept slowing the play everytime he got the ball, kept giving the ball away trying to backheel pass. definitely the most frustrating player for me.

          • Truth is somewhere in between.
            Don’t get me started on Lallana, Mignolet, etc etc etc…

          • Lallana painfully reminds me of a talentless Forrest Gump playing american football. He can run but that’s all he can do

          • Lol, that’s true. Maybe LFC fans should start taking banners to our matches with “Lallana run”, “Lallana stop”, “Lallana shoot”, “Lallana pass”, etc. Maybe, just maybe, he will improve

          • Lallana chip the keeper ffs … that miss was a bad moment for me, we could have gone on a roll :p

          • According to even United fans he was our best player..He was our best player by a distance..You are just remembering the couple of times he lost the ball in midfield coz no one was around him..He absolutely owned blind and to an extent Smalling as well..

          • yeah that probably is a fair assessment, but its just one of those things that constantly bothers me and builds up from game to game, kinda like Coutinho shooting from 30yards every time he gets the ball

          • Honestly look at the way we play, everyone runs away from the player with the ball, no one supports to collect, bar firms running back to half line to collect the ball. Besides which header is lallana going to win with his back to a center back anyway. However, 2 of four shots on target from can, almost scored from both. De gea is a good keeper though.

        • Emre for me again today, actually forced the keeper to work, and showing quality despite a few benign errors. Look at his product compared to the players next to him.

      • The only DECENT players that played today were Can and Firmino. The defence didn’t look that bad because United’s forward is shite. But they still manage to score against us!! That’s how useless we are

        I just can’t wait for this season to be over and for the Summer transfer window to open so we can get rid of the shit we have and replace them with at least DECENT players

      • There’s a difference between having heart and having passion. I think they showed heart, right till the end – but that passion you get from a Gerrard or a Suarez etc was missing. That is a true winning mentality, leading by example, and understanding the gravity of this match. I didn’t see much of that today. I think they had heart but it seemed forced and lacklustre. More out of expectation – that this is what the manager and the fans expect, rather than actually wanting to go out and win it for themselves, and the club. I think we were missing that kind of influence.

        • Then explain the times we lost with either suarez or gerrard. No one expect us to hv a long list of injuries. And at such peak schedule the team couldnt do a run of proper training, so its hard to play benteke in.

    • Midtable is where this current squad deserves to be. but not this club. There is no way well get a squad who matches our ambition until they show some f***ing passion on the pitch.

      • And not this manager aswell!!he is doing everything physicly possible to get the best out of this squad,but they’re just plain and simple not good enough!! I feel for klopp,I really do!

        • i do agree completely, but i cant get around the fact he waited until the 80th minute to make his first sub…

          • I would agree but what was on the bench that could really help ? We brought Ibe on and he stands and watches a short corner being played in front of him it caused the goal ! That ball should have been cut out or forced to be played direct not short and matta looking up to pinpoint his cross !

        • Don’t worry when he took over he probably knew it would take a few seasons to get rid of the bodgers effect.

    • Why is migs on the ground following a looping header that hit the crossbar? He’s stumbling around and can’t stand up and face Rooney’s shot which he should be storming out to block. Again, De Gea wins them 3 points and migs loses us 3. might be a little harsh, but that was their only f**ing chance of the game

    • They dominated the game they just lacked the quality in midfield to make their dominance count, heartless and. Listless is harsh though

      • Who’s gonna be harsh to these players???

        Maybe even that won’t help. They just don’t have it.

    • to be honest Joe overall I thought we were well on top of a crap team, yes every time the ball comes near our net your just waiting on a fukc up Migs is scary at the best of times and plain daft a lot of the time but the biggest difference in the teams as I see it was they have a striker called Rooney who is very seldom unavailable for a game, whilst we have a top striker called sick note who is very seldom available for a game, Henderson was very average and in my opinion is not a good captain, nowhere near and never will be the man he replaced, yes I guess your right a lack of actual talent in some of the players says it all, but a top striker is needed ASAP how many wasted chances did we have, they had one chance and put it in the back of the net.

      • You could have the best striker in the world, they’d have to do it on their own. We Have an excellent team, but there are a couple donkeys who are getting their teammates scapegoated.

    • We’re 9th…..
      8 points off of 4th………
      Could be sitting 10th after tomorrows games…….

      Half way through the window, not one player has come in yet that can impact games and gain us points……

      We’re not even being link with anyone decent…..


      • Most decent/good players won’t move in January these days. Klopp’s already said he’s not buying if his targets aren’t available. Why buy someone for 5 months then sell again in the summer? He has a limited budget too.

  2. Never felt like we would score. Und looked like the worse team but have at least one player who can find the net.

  3. Our conversion rate was 12% before todays game so i expect that figue to be even worse now i think this tells it own story.

    Ground hog day again……but until we get some quality players this situation is not going to change

  4. I say this everytime. You cannot turn a Lallana to a Goetze, neither can you turn a Milner to a Blaszczykowski, sometimes you need to buy. Its always gonna be shooting yourself in the foot.

    • Klopp Kidz [email protected]

      Will you blame Klopp if Benteke plants himself like a tree for the entire second half without scoring a goal? Allen has been mediocre most of his time at LFC and is a pushover if the opponents play it rough.

      • I blame Klopp for picking Mingo , Toure , Sakho & Lucas as our defensive diamond in the first place then to let them play the full 90 odd mins was ludicrous in the extreme . The defending for Utd’s goal was farcical then Rooney’s shot went right thro; Mingo & some clown’s still say he is a good shot stopper he is the worst G/K in the Prem. by a mile but yet Klopp reckon’s he is worth another 5 yr contract on 50 k p.w. Meneer Klopp is beginning to look & sound like a clown .

    • You haven’t a clue about tactics or football go and watch darts or something instead of wasting space on here.

  5. Manchester United play some absolute garbage football. Just a glorified West Brom. 4 shots on target, 4 goals from them in our last two games. So frustrating as a fan.

    • Midfield’s where we lost the game today.Milner Lallana and Henderson etc. are all decent pro’s but none of them are match winners . Had the likes of Yaya, Carzola, Sanchez etc had the same possession in the final third as we did today, manu would have shipped at least 3+ goals today

      • Give it time guys. Klopp will need transfer windows to get in the players he wants. As rubbish as it is we just need patientce. Forget this season. We don’t have enough quality to win Europa League.

        Utd are a poor team but have quality in De Gey and Rooney. It’s those quality players that win tight games. We lack that quality.

        • Indeed, there will be pains ahead until the summer but I expect he will get rid of at least 4 players at the club and thats not including Balotelli. Benteke I would think is gone. Sturridge also if he can’t remain fit.
          Between those 3 and whatever the budget is we can get in 2 quality strikers at least and bolster other positions with some fringe players going.

          • Still wouldn’t help, the striking department is not where we are failing. It’s difficult to understand I know. Notice it’s the same problem for years, got Gerrard and Johnson scapegoated.

          • It’s one of our issues. We had more chances than them. Decent chances and if we could take them that goal from the corner wouldn’t have mattered.

            Yes I know there are defensive issues too. Ibe switched off and didn’t close them down for the cross to come in but you have a striker or someone that scores 2-3 of those chances we had and game over before they score.

        • Our quality in the final third is injured :p still need patience with the patients. But I can’t handle too many more games like that. At least our defence was decent.

    • This one is on Klopp. Just hoping this serves him for the future. I think he failed to understand this rivalry. He approached the game too casually. Deafeat aside, Im seeing a much improved football from the lads. Not all bad I guess.

      • What? How so? We created chances, Those guys on the pitch couldn’t finish. You going to blame Klopp for Ibe switching off at the corner too I guess?

        • Lol no. I honestly think we played with the best squad available. That’s where I blame him. Could he have convinced FSG to bring in a REAL offensive player? Or does he think he can keep going with this squad? I blame him for Migs. I blame him for leavig Allen on the bench and leaving Hendo on the pitch. But oh well…

    • Truly this season we will end up there… We should take europa seriously cause if and its a big if we win it we are in champs league

    • Because everything was fine before Brendan Rodgers came. Why don’t you have a go at Kenny Dalglish for wasting money and leaving us level on points with Fulham in 9th place when he left? In terms of points, we were closer to being relegated than we were to a top 4 place in the season before Rodgers took over. This is a fact. We finished 7th, 6th and 8th in the 3 seasons before Rodgers arrived. We finished 7th, 2nd and 6th with Rodgers. It’s like praising Joe Fagan for being the man that built a European cup winning team. The team was already there and had been winning European Cups. In the same way, Liverpool had been mid-table for 3 years before Rodgers came.The facts will tell you that Brendan Rodgers took over a mid-table team. Maybe you should be thanking Rafa Airways.

      • Because Kenny didn’t spend 300m and Rafa built a find team. Both also won trophies in short space of time.
        They delivered something. Not nothing.

        • I don’t think that $300m over 3 years is enough to turn an 8th place team into a top 4 team. Particularly when teams ahead of you are outspending you or spending similar money. Look what Chelsea (who already had a top 4 team) spent to win a league title. Look at how much City have had to spend. City were in an almost identical position in 2008 when they were bought to what we were in 2012 when Kenny left and Rodgers took over.
          Kenny did spend $115m though. He only had one summer transfer window to do it in as well. The worst signing in Liverpool’s history was signed under his watch. Carroll, Adam, Downing and Coates cost $70m. Kenny won the League Cup as manager. We drew against Championship opposition in the final. Birmingham City won it the previous year. Swansea won it the year after. The League Cup means very little. Winning either the FA Cup or League Cup, particularly the League Cup is not a sign that you are going places. Teams who consistently finish outside the top 4 places win trophies every so often but it is not sustained success. This is reality.
          Rafa won the Champions League with a team that was mostly made up of players who played under or were signed by Gerard Houllier. When Rafa really had a chance to build his own team, what did we win? We won nothing in his last 4 seasons in charge. He left us in an awful mess which we haven’t recovered from. That is a fact.

          • Well your reading is spot on because that’s exactly what they are. Excuses, reasons, justifications. What’s your point?

          • Brendan achieved less with more money and with a player playing above and beyond what we have seen in red for a number of years.
            But yeah, it’s always someone else’s fault.

          • No manager in the past 26 years has come as close to winning a league title with Liverpool. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t get as close in the next 25. Of course he had more money. He was there longer. The longer you’re at a club, the more likely it is that you will keep getting money. Also you seem to be ignoring the existence of the famous transfer committee. How much of a say in transfers do you think Rodgers had? It’s clear Mario Balotelli for example was given to him.
            You’re correct we had a player playing out of his skin. But what happened to him? He left. How can you expect us to compete while we continuously lose our best players? Do you blame Brendan Rodgers for Liverpool consistently losing their best players? Brendan Rodgers spent $300m but how much did he recoup in transfers for our best players? When Chelsea and City were building their teams, they managed to keep hold of their good players and add to them.
            Absolutely I believe that it is someone else’s fault. We are not where we want to be because of Roman Abramovich pumping money in to Chelsea, Sheikh Mansour doing the same at City, Arsenal’s fantastic policy of not spending big and building a new stadium in the 2000s, Manchester United’s class of ’92 emerging at the same time as big money started to be pumped into the game. These are all reasons (there are others of course), or excuses as you would call them as to why Liverpool are 9th in 2016. When you are not one of the rich clubs then your destiny is not entirely in your own hands.
            Watch how we continue to buy mediocrity and finish 5th-8th over the next 5 years. We are on our 5th manager in the past 6 years. Their results in that time are remarkably similar. The manager was not the problem at Liverpool.

          • The manager was not good enough to manage Liverpool. It’s really quite simple. You are over-complicating matters and contradicting yourself left, right and centre.

          • I can’t help it if you find what I’ve said complicated. It’s pretty simple really.
            Bill Shankly won his first trophy after 13 years as a manager. Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Kenny Dalglish. There was no evidence that any of these managers were good enough to manage Liverpool before they were appointed.
            To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if I have contradicted myself one or twice. If I’m doing it “left, right and centre” though, then surely it would be easy for you to pick out a few examples and show me. Can you show me some? If you were confused by my over-complicated argument then I reckon you’ll struggle.

          • Simple? That’s the problem. Your post is far too simplistic and uses a lot of historical facts that are completely irrelevant, other than the fact that you need them to support your post…. because the actual facts that tell the story of our very recent history (past 3 years) betray the defence that you are trying to offer on Brendan’s behalf.

            How is it Chelsea, UTD, City or Arsenal’s fault that after spending 300m, we lose to Stoke 6-1? or that we struggle to beat awful teams like Villa, Blackburn, Bolton? If Brendan had a strong enough grasp of the job, he wouldn’t have been so exposed by the sale of Suarez. He wouldn’t have had a team that collapsed in the absence of one man, even if that one man was the lethal Suarez.

            A lot of what you said supports my point about Brendan not being good enough to manage our club. The big one here……You point to the transfer committee. Now I don’t think we have crossed paths before, but if we had, you would now that I had backed Brendan for a very long time. You would also know that I had grave concerns during our nearly season but I defended him to the hilt into the following season and beyond, in the hope that the obvious issues in relation to our defense and team balance would be addressed.

            I also defended him on the basis that the background politics in relation to transfers seemed to be verging on the insane. I have genuinely huge sympathy for the position he found himself in. As a fellow country man of his, I would have been as proud as anything to see him lead the club into the future. You would also know that I wasn’t a fan that expected miracles from Brendan. As long as I could see a degree of progress, key issues being addressed, I backed him.

            Was he strong enough to be our manager? Can you say for absolute certainty that he had properly asserted himself within the club, that he could lead the transfer planning in the way he should have and in the way that he would have wanted to?

            Obviously, we have yet to see Klopp in action when it comes to big transfers. But do you not think he will have more of a lead in the overall direction? That, as he said clearly, succinct and to the point, that he has the final say.

            Brendan is an excellent manager in his own right, but do you not think that our results under Klopp now, show that Brendan would have lead us to another disappointing season this year (basically no further progress – but granted injuries have destroyed this season so that might be an unfair point to make)?
            And do you not think this would have forced the question as to how much more money we can afford to give Brendan and the committee? Because ultimately both Brendan and the committee (regardless of who is to blame individually) are failing collectively.

            I said on here at the start of the season that we had reached a point whereby we needed a change just to force the dynamics of the abysmal committee to change. The only way to bring about change within the committee was to change manager. Yes they could have sacked the other members, but it was clear that wasn’t ever going to happen.

            I agree, nobody knows how good he might prove to be. But as you already said in relation to the climate, with the spend of other teams and not just the traditional top 4, we need to be at least progressing and developing to some obvious extent. The fallouts with so many players, the failure to improve defensively and accept the need for a new defensive coach, the list goes on and on. Brendan talked a good game. But when it came down to it, he fell short of the required standard.

            p.s. cool profile pic!!

          • That’ a selfie :)
            In your previous comment you said I was over-complicating matters in my argument. Now you say my views are too simplistic!! You also said I was contradicting myself “left, right and centre” (without giving any examples). Can you see the irony?!
            You’ve pointed out the loss to Stoke at the end of last season. That’s a freak result. It happens to different teams every weekend up and down the country. We lost 5-1 at Villa in ’76 and went on to win the league. Arsenal conceded 8 Old Trafford a few years ago. It as a serious off-day where Stoke took advantage. Similar to when we beat Man City at the Etihad earlier this season. I would give 90% of the blame for that performance to the players. To prove it was a freak result we went there in our very next league game and beat them.
            I have not said in any of my posts that I wished Brendan Rodgers was still our manager.
            Going back to your original comment, you have given almost total blame to Brendan Rodgers for where Liverpool are today. You say “welcome to the mid-table” as if it’s something new!! Why now? Why didn’t you say it after we finished mid-table under Sounness, Evans, Rafa or Dalglish. Finishing level on points with Fulham is as mid-table as it gets!! In all but one of the past 6 seasons we have finished 6th or lower.
            My overall point is that where we are today as a club has very little to do with Brendan Rodgers. Liverpool have been an average club now for the best part of 25 years. We won 2 cups and didn’t play a single Champions League game in the 90’s. Your point is completely based on the past 3 years. I don’t think you can judge a manager without comparing him to his predecessors and the man that succeeds him. If we give Jurgen Klopp 300m over the next 3 years and continue to sell our best players every year then prepare for more 5th-8th place finishes.
            In order to properly assess his tenure, you have to put into context the position of the club he took over, the competition he was up against, the players he bought and was forced to sell, how much control he had over these transfers and how his successor’s results differ from his. Among other things.
            On Jurgen Klopp, I have seen nothing to suggest that he will have more say over transfers or will be stronger within the club than Rodgers was. So far, his enthusiasm and energy has had no effect on improving results. I can’t see our fortunes changing dramatically under him.

          • By over-complicating the point, I mean using (what I considered) irrelevant information to support the point. I did not mean complicated as in complex.

            By describing it as simplistic, I mean not examining the heart of the issue and only scratching the surface.

            By both these, I refer to your previous replies. Your most recent post is much more thorough.

            So moving on…
            Firstly, my original comment was completely tongue in cheek. If you also look at what prompted my comment, it was a sickening defeat against our arch rivals and one that pretty much brings to a close our top 4 aspirations in January. So yes, it was a comment made out of emotion more than logic. I think under the circumstances the original comment as a standalone post should be granted at least a degree of latitude. But hey, when I opt to post on here in any way (emotionally, rationally etc.), I leave myself open to be challenged, which is absolutely fine. I will always accept that.

            Personally, I don’t think it is fair to compare managers in 70s and 80s to managers today. It’s a completely different game today. Former players hate when asked to compare say Ronaldo to Best. It’s a pointless task – back then, they had awful pitches, absolute gulf in class between best and worst GKs and Defenders in the league etc.

            I never said that where we are now is entirely down to Brendan alone (I should refer back to context of my initial comment). I have supported the club for over 35 years. I am fully aware of the gap that we allowed to develop and the mis-management off the field in a commercial sense. Whilst we were trying to rebuild a mere football club in the 90s, UTD were building a transnational company. We all know what has happened since… no need to dig into it further.

            However, the point I was trying to make was purely in squad management terms in recent seasons. As I said above, I only wanted to see a measure of improvement and process. I didn’t expect miracles. What we were witnessing by the end was decline.

            I’m really not sure what you mean by “why didn’t I say it after Souness and Evans. I guess I didn’t have broadband back then…. I did say it but only to mates and to myself watching the games…. but not online ;)

            Whilst management of business, the stadium etc. are the hugely significant pillars that should underpin the club, I still don’t accept that Brendan was ready for this job. When I look at all the things that were within his control, he failed to get a handle on his job. His planning was awful not helped by his inadequacy and lack of authority in leading the committee – or at least being respected enough by the commitee so that he had greater influence.

            I completely accept the points you make (paragraph about average club for 25 years), which basically refers to those pillars I mention, that were not built. This adds even greater weight to my humble opinion that this job was simply too big for Brendan. As I said in my last post, I defended Brendan on here for quite some time, so I don’t say any of this without having given it considered thought. The more time wore on with Brendan in charge, the more the issue of trust comes into it. Surely those review meetings were starting to become very uncomfortable. Could they trust him to give even more funds and time? It was reaching a critical point. Even Jannik of all people, who used to post on here and brutally attacked anything and anyone that didn’t acknowledge all the things you mention, agreed with me that if things remained the same by end of this season, then yes, the issue of trust becomes a problem.

            I do think Klopp is somebody that is capable of sustainable reform. Your point on Klopp may or may not prove correct, we don’t know yet. Overall I think your final judgement is a little harsh. We have signed 50 players in the last 5 years under 3 different managers, all purchased to play in a particular system / style / philosophy. It was always going to take time than this.

            So in summary, I accept your view on the legacy issues that are currently anchoring the club. Ultimately, I absolutely agree that Brendan did not drop that anchor. I just believe he was not the man to get us sailing again. That’s all I was trying to say.

            Will Klopp be the man? We will have to wait an see. I said when Klopp was appointed that if he doesn’t win the league then I don’t believe I will see it again in my lifetime. That’s a pretty devastating thing to admit. I hope for my, yours and all fellow reds fans that is not something we have to live through.

            Enjoy the match tomorrow. Fingers crossed for 3 points. We might chat again but probably best to put the Brendan to one side for now and focus on what lies ahead. Not much to be gained on dwelling too much.

            All the best mate.

          • If you didn’t mean complicated to mean complex then you should have used a different word. Complex implies complicated and vice versa. Your first two paragraphs are a poor defence of a blatant contradiction that you can’t admit to for some reason.
            You’ve shown no specific examples of where my point is either too simplistic or complicated. In the same way that you failed to point out any examples of where I was contradicting myself “left, right and centre”. My previous post is no more thorough than the ones before. My views and how they’ve been delivered have been consistent throughout. Your recent posts , however are unrecognisable in content, balance, tone and detail from your earlier ones. Even your opinion on Brendan Rodger has softened.
            I don’t believe you when you say your original comment was tongue in cheek. If so why did you defend it? Why has it taken until now to acknowledge that it was tongue in cheek?
            I agree that it’s unfair to compare football from the 70’s and 80’s to today’s game. That wasn’t a great example on my part.
            I did believe that Rodgers was a good appointment at a time where I don’t know who else we would have attracted.I don’t know how you can work out how bad his planning was and I see no evidence to suggest that he wasn’t respected enough by the committee.
            You say that the job was too big or Brendan but it would be too big for any manager. I see no way that Liverpool FC can ever mix it with the big boys again for a sustained period. I don’t believe there is a way.The mistakes made that we’ve both pointed out in the ’90’s are, I believe, terminal. Not that the club will ever disappear but I think the mid-table finishes will remain the norm for the foreseeable future. I don’t believe that Klopp will make a great deal difference. I would love to be wrong.
            I would also like to point out that at no stage have I said that I wished Brendan Rodgers was still our manager but I will always defend any Liverpool manager who has given his all or the club against what I see as unwarranted, personal or unfair attack.
            I’ll leave it at that then!

          • Fair enough.. I should have selected a different word.
            Simplistic… I meant in a general sense…they have oil money and had smarter business men at the helm, we didn’t etc etc.

            Yes I agree with that being a fundamental issue, but I don’t accept it as a reason for mis-management in the current day, which is my view on Brendan’s tenure. Falling behind in the 90s is not an excuse for playing your top scorer at LWB and playing a minimum of 2-3 players out of position in every single game when they are blatantly uncomfortable / unhappy with the role they are being asked to fulfil.
            The inherent contradiction i did point out in a previous post where you argument was clearly proving my opposing point, thereby contradicting itself.

            Was my comment tongue in cheek… I guess partially so. The task the Klopp inherited is a club that signed 50 players in last five years under 3 managers that has left us with a lack of identity. Does anyone really now what to expect from this team. 4-1 City, 3-0 Watford, struggle to buy a goal for weeks on end, score 5 yesterday. Klopp can/has only pick(ed) up where Brendan left off. Either way, the context in which the comment was written was a feeling that top 4 was truly beyond us after that result. That is what the reference to Brendan was borne out of.

            I stand by my view on Brendan, as I am sure you do too. And I wholly respect that. I don’t believe my view softened, I made it clear from the outset that I defended it for a long time. You may still disagree but I feel that is inaccurate.

            Anyway, I don’t think there is much more to be gained in arguing the toss. We know each others feeling on the matter. We’ve reached a point were the only thing to argue about is who is the superior debater between us. I am far far far from the best at articulating my view. Sometimes, what I am trying to say gets lost along the way. Whilst I claimed you contradicted yourself, I know I can be as proficient at that as anyone else on here.

            So I’ll bid you good day for now. Here’s hoping Tuesday brings a Wembley final for us to enjoy!

  6. Another pathetic attacking display, NO F***ING FIGHT

    Klopp has a big part to play in the defeat. why wait until the 76th minute to make a sub when we were clearly losing energy and tempo?
    Kept giving the ball away with absolutely no end product

    get this f***ing season over with and ship out the dead weight who dont fight for this club

    • Klopp Kidz [email protected]

      It will take at least 2 seasons to ship out Bodgers’ mess, and to bring in good players. Without any players to sell at a high price, I doubt FSG will spend big. The money has been squandered by Bodgers unfortunately.

      • im willing to take a loss on profit and bring in cheap players.Benteke Mignolet Firmino Coutinho to me are all inconsistent and expendable

          • How so? I dont pay the wages do I so why would it matter to me? We need to get the players out who arent pulling their weight and arent fighting, plain and simple. look at the money we spent compared to the likes of West Ham and Stoke. They bought smart, we bought with expectations and THAT is the difference. So why not get rid of the likes of Firmino and bring in a Payet?

          • just because he can pull off a nice goal 1 in every 20 games and a nice flick here and there doesnt mean hes god among men. Hes inconsistent, he still is a very good player but hes had more average or bad games to good ones.

            I dont want to get rid of him unless we have to, but he is one of the only players that we would actually make a profit off of, and if it means bringing in consistent quality, then id say why not.

  7. Our fans who think most of these players deserve to stay are deluded. No guts, no talent and no passion. Only 4 or so players who deserve to stay in the long run. A complete revamp is needed in the summer that should have started this January. Klopp needs to make a statement of intent before the window ends to show that he isn’t afraid to make big decisions. Start with buying a keeper and a striker. We’ve been lacking in both ends of the pitch.

    Losing to a poor United side is nothing short of shameful. Cut the crap interviews and walk the walk. Our players have had enough chances.

      • Clyne, Coutinho, Henderson are at the top of my head. Add in Sakho and maybe Can. Firmino might eventually come better. Thats about it, I think. We need to start adding players this January, one or two. Should have made a move for Charlie Austin. At 4m he’s gonna be a bargain for Southampton

    • Our team has a striker but prefers not to play one. 4 chances for hendo, 0 on target. Another match which we could have easily won. Outplayed united today, but klopp seems to be carrying all the poor decisions rodgers made.

        • Correction, we have players who can’t feed him. Riddle me this, does the opposition fear him. I did before he came to us. And I bet he instills fear in the opposition. Who on our team can produce a proper cross, can find a player at the penalty spot? Our midfield can be poor at times, even when we are dominating the match, like today, or like earlier in the week.

    • Only Sakho, Moreno, and Coutinho have proven themselves enough to stay in the first 11. Everyone else can be replaced.

        • Yeah I suppose Clyne could stay as well. It’s ironic that the last few years we were complaining about our defense but now we’re saying that 3 of the 4 can stay in the team.

          • Its the two spots we’re missing that are the most important components in a defence. A commanding goalkeeper and a centre back who can be a leader on the pitch.

          • Yeah if only we still had Reina and Carragher…. Hopefully Klopp will find us what we need this summer.

    • That’s the reason that our goal attempts always far outweigh our shots on target. Our players always attempt unrealistic shots from way outside the box that are never going to go in or even get on target. Waste of a chance.

  8. Can had to come off for Allen.Changes should of been made earlier. Milner Lallana Firminho was not going to work. Lucas Sakho Toure Henderson Clyne all had good games. It was gutting to lose

    • Firmino and Lallana had to come off 10mins into the second half, a donkey couldve seen it yet our manager waited until the 80th to do anything…

  9. Sorry but I just can’t accept this loss, even a draw wouldn’t have been fair to us, can’t believe that they won this game, totally undeserved

    4 losses in a row against the scum, unbelievable.

    • I OTOH think we fully deserved the loss despite having most of the chances…just not good enough and this has been our story for much of last season as well.

  10. im sorry but this just proves klopp needs to let go of trying to transform average players into world class, he needs to start buying, because tbh i think top 4 has gone for us now, its all due to one thing, lack of world class talent in our squad, in summer we need a big clear out and we need to bring some serious quality in our squad

  11. This loss is even more difficult to take than usual as this united
    side is probably one of the worst in the last 20 years yet they have still done a
    number on us today.

  12. This squad is SOOOOO AVERAGE it’s not even funny, the amount of times that they’ve bottled it in games like these is inexcusable, to bend over in a game like this is disheartening to say the least, I cannot wait until Klopp rips into this squad in the summer, to many passengers who are contributing virtually nothing week in week out, I will support Klopp until the day he leaves Liverpool because he has been left probably the biggest challenge in the clubs history to try and restore some glory to this wonderful club, good luck Jurgen because you’re going to need it! YNWA!

    • We were avarage at best. Sakho and Toure saved our butts many times. Can, Lallana and Milner have none or few good moments, the rest of the game disappointing. But the finishing is catastrophic.

      • United hardly threatened, the CB’s both had good games but “saved our butts” is a big exaggeration.I think Milner was okey today, not good, but couldn’t be labelled poor either

    • Thought Can was clearly instructed to not get too involved, played with shackles on. He’s one to lose his head in those games so I get it. But it’s 50% of what the lad brings to the team.

      • I think that might be being kind. for me just a poor game. We were a bit too close together in the middle at times, perhaps Hendo and lucas cancelling Can out

  13. Klopp Kidz [email protected]

    No proven striker. Our midfielders are shooting from far (and ended up wide off the target). Our defenders are in their box (and ended up clearing goals for them instead of knocking the balls down and into the net). WE NEED A TOP STRIKER! Sturridge and Benteke are wasting the space and money supply.

  14. The difference between us and them: a solid goalkeeper and a sharp shooter.

    The rest actually played well. We would hv been up 2 goals if not for the imperious de ghea!

  15. Another match, another goal conceded from corner, it’s criminal Rooney left unmarked, and our players just don’t know how to play headers…

    And I cried seeing the quality of our shooting…. Henderson was very poor today.

  16. Fellaini is one of the most dirtiest players I’ve ever seen. Throws elbows in and then Utd use him to play hoof ball.

  17. I hope today shows that Henderson is not the superman people claim him to be, he is a good player, nothing more

  18. Might be slated for it but i was begging for a sub since the 60 min mark and think klopp should have brought benteke earlier

      • It was just not happening at the attacking end. Really appreciate the workrate of lallana and milner but definitely thats not enough. IMO the transition play was good enough so joe allens absence makes sense to me but benteke should have been brought earlier for me. I know it’s too early for ibe but he is one of the most selfish player that i have ever seen at liverpool. For me player like ibe and benteke just never will work together unless one of them changes their game drastically

  19. Firminho missed a few half chances but any striker could have a day like that, the majority of the opportunities fell to Henderson and I remember one good chance missed by lallana so I don’t think a striker was the problem today. A lack of quality match winners in midfied was the real issue for me.

  20. Wow. Klopp is really upset. He was close to tears at the post game interview.

    Heartbroken is absolutely the right word.

  21. All this knee jerk reaction, blaming everybody because Utd won 1-0, no passion, no commitment, etc all BS, all we lack is more movement up front, Liverpoll outclassed Utd, we failed to score well that’s the reality and we need to improve in front of goal, but who were the better team? By a mile it was Liverpool. Believe, and if you don’t believe well go and moan somewhere else.

    • Good performance from LFC by a mile. 3 points there! Except that no one cares about your performance if you don’t make it count.

      UTD were absolutely poor today, but they still took all the points. That’s all that matters.

  22. What do we lack?

    A goal scorer

    Class keeper

    Top class CM that dominated the midfield

    Top class DM

    Top class winger that can make a difference from time to time

    And Coutinho back on form with a class striker in front of him.

    Klopp needs time, so let’s give it to him.

    • Come on, we dominated the game through and through. Created enough chances to get away with stuff. Surely the goal will be pinned on Migs again, the fact 4 swarm Fellaini and Rooney has a free shot will be overlooked again. Goal against? surely we need a new goalie.

      What we need is two out the three Goetze, Reus and Yarmolenko. Pace, guile, quality.

      • I’m saying we need a new GK based on past games not this one, no I’m not blaming Migs for todays loss.

        Yeah we dominated but if we had “class” players we would have finished the game off, most of these players are average, what you got today is their best, it wasn’t good enough to beat the worst United team in the last 20 years.

        It actually feels like we lost against a mid-table team because of the way they played.

        We need top class players, everyone can see that.

        • Not against a new goalie btw. Though the critisism is too hard. Very few would save that free chance shrek had. Saw quite a couple of mentioned naming making effups in recent weeks. Courtois hardly seems a good goalie today, Lloris been error prone and beaten near post as well.

          I really think this midfield with Hendo/Can is good. They dominated today. A top DM and two top wide attackers is what we really lack.

          • Ofcourse no one would have saved that, but a very good goalie is needed, I’m not saying sell Migs, but just being in another top GK.

            We also lack a goal-scorer.

          • Ings, Firmino, Origi, Benteke are all goal scores. The striker isn’t the issue. It’s the fact they’re too easy to isolate is what’s the issue.

          • Origi and Ings injured, Benteke well yeah he’s not getting much delivery but let’s be fair he’s not moving much isn’t he? Sturridge….. Well you just can’t count him, Firmino is good but wasted a glorious chance today.

  23. Sell all overrated English players, they are garbage don’t have football brain. What a shame Henderson captain, milner vice phuuu stupid indeed. Feel pity for klopp.

  24. BS!

    We played well. Period. Just need to convert the chances. Otherwise a big step in the right direction despite the result!

  25. We really need a striker who knows the meaning of offside….
    What a sad day….
    I’ve got no words…

      • We need to get rid of him. Ings and origi will be back. Studg is gone … need another striker. … we can’t be playing like this. None of the set pieces/corners have me palpitations. They knew about fellani and I feel Ibe should have been on the right side to give a go at the young MU left back.
        We had too many passes in the midfield…. and should have attacked from right and middle…
        Milner, lallana. .. very disappointed with them.
        How easily we could have prevented the goal… 4 players going with fellani and they forgot about rooney.

    • Scapegoat benteke, go ahead. Still our top goalscorer. You obviously don’t see the lack of quality in the players who need to provide for him.

      • Yup…I can’t. .. all that I can see a player without desire.
        I’m happy that u are proud of the top scorer thing. May he get better and our goal difference becomes better

  26. Wonder what the coaches at Melwood actually do. The attacking play is so predictable and the defending is atrocious.

  27. The club captain is like a young dog that pis ses all over the floor when he gets too excited..says it all.. a squad full of losers with zero courage, composure or leadership..well done, FSG, Ayre and Rodgers..

  28. The team didn’t do too badly today, the big fail was the crowd. Where was the demand for the an equaliser? The Kop sucking the ball into the goal? We got a corner early in the second half and there was no reaction what so ever. Do our fans enjoying suffering? To sit their listening to that lot crowing for 15 odd minutes with no reaction. De Gea doesn’t even want to be there. He is effectively Real Madrid’s number one. Not even a peep from us.

      • Team lacked a outlet to finish today. In the unlikely event Studge played we would have won. But we have no fit strikers that’s why we lost

          • Benteke has had chances and fluffed his line royally. He is a good player but we don’t play to his strengths. We have too many no. 10s looking to play intricate through balls. He needs quality wingers looking to put in quality balls. We don’t have any.

            He was a poor signing. We all knew he probably wouldn’t work . Klopp knows this that’s why he doesn’t play.

      • I know. And I can’t understand how this problem wasn’t fixed already. It’s been with us since the last season, or even longer. Coaches – get the job done ffs. Or try another work (maybe grass cutting), since this one clearly doesn’t suits you.

  29. trophies, trophies trophies. The fsg project needs a trophy to lift the soft mentality off the club. The squad needs to win a trophy together to overcome their choking mentality. The club needs to build from the back. Always, BUILD FROM THE BACK. We need to draw and not lose when not playing well. We need to develop that resilient streak. We got little spurts.. against chelsea, city and arsenal..soton. We have a type of team we can do well against. Personally I hope guardiola goes to utd, then we might beat them more.

    Trophies. Needed.

    • I think the lack of fighting spirit comments are going a bit far. I saw plenty of desire, as we won loads and loads of tackles and 2nd ball. I feel like the frantic but aimless nature of our forward attack is to blame

      • lack of fighting spirit is not even trying. that’s not our problem. players try, they want to, but they can’t. because they’ve never done it before in a red shirt. they’ve never won anything for this club.

  30. ‘m sorry but today shows that Lallana HAS to be shown the door. We lined up with a front three so he was expected to share a load of the attacking but it was Firmino who was doing both jobs of creating and trying to score. How many times would you see Firmino creating an opening only for there to be no one in the box. It’s shameful. Not good enough.

    • We don’t play a striker, same rubbish as with rodgers. Firmino dropping to half line to collect the ball.

        • What is benteke, a player who had scored in his last three games against united. Instead we hope milner will show something we haven’t seen in his entire career. Or maybe captain hendo will show us something he hasn’t in his last four years at liverpool.

      • What you mean he might actually have to save something? Utter nonsense. I agree though. I do think a better keeper would help to solve our set piece issues. Half the goals we concede on corners Mignolet should be coming out and claiming.

  31. We are buying and selling players really fast, the team can’t work to it’s maximum when you buy and sell many players in every transfer window.
    But, when you look at our team, we are bad, just bad. Players don’t play with their hearts (respect for the ones that do). I started cheering for Liverpool when I first saw a Liverpool game. It was in the era of Benitez. I liked how players played with their hearts. Now, it’s nowhere near.
    And quality of the players is way worse.
    Maybe it could be a mistake, but I would give Klopp 40-50 mil to buy players he chooses. I believe that man. He is trying, but let’s face it, with bad team, not even the greatest managers can do much. This is just my opinion. This is not the squad that can win the league, maybe not even go to CL.

  32. When will end this humiliation? Fsg should give money to Klopp to change all the Rodgers players. I reapeat “all” Henderson captain of Liverpool FC?? Or to sell the club.

  33. Henderson is the problem too selfish.. Twice we could have scored but he somehow thought he was Suarez nd instead of passing, went for goal. Firminho miss…. The less said the better

  34. The goal should have been a consolation for Utd. Totally bossed them in midfield. Apart from the usual set peice disaster with the goal we dealt with Utd

    I’m going to be positive about the future. We j St need a reliable striker(Mr Sturridge)But if we want to salvage anything this season we need a striker. Goals win games we can shore up the keeper and defence in the summer.

    Utd will enjoy their victory today but will limp on with Van Gaal

  35. For all the love that’s giving to klopp ,,, someone should tell him straight that CAN & LALANA and s%&t. A complete waste of two positions. Address this and maybe we could of won today ,

  36. The most frustrating part for me is the lack of guile. Lucas gets kicked and gets a headbutt from Fellaini. Take the hit and go down son. 10 man, we bring Benteke and tear’em a new one. No.. you go and argue.

    We bring Benteke, get a free kick in a smart area and what do we do? we take it fast to start another piece of football.

    Come on, be smarter then that!

  37. With a Suarez or a Sturridge it would have been 3-1 today. We have no cutting edge strikers. ManUt where shockingly crap. Thieve sin the night. Firminho was good again but lacked follow up from Lalana and Milner. Can struggled to find his spot firts half but was good 2nd half. Hats of to Toure. Sakho growing to his usual great form.

  38. “…once on a downward spiral, it’s hard to stop.” so says Gordon McQueen

    once a downward spiral starts, it’s hard to stop.”
    once a downward spiral starts, it’s hard to stop.”
    once a downward spiral starts, it’s hard to stop.”

  39. Lack of consistency, that’s always be the problem, Klopp is a winner but we have a group of players with no winning mentality, only Millner may be,,,Klopp needs to bring reinforcements with true quality.

  40. How long do we have to go without an out and out goal scoring striker? The markets open and yet we haven’t made a solid enquiry for a striker? Benteke clearly can’t cut it as the free-flowing, run-creating striker we need, and as for Sturridge I’ve completely lost patience with it, I’ve given him at least a years worth of benefit without doubt, but now he needs to be sold TOMORROW and replaced ASAP. #YNWA

    • I don’t agree with your statements about benteke, but if we don’t play him, I agree he should hand in a transfer request. And no player should be expected to produce with ten minutes.

      • I rate benteke highly don’t get me wrong, but we do not, and will not play the style of football he is grafted for under Klopp, I see similiarities in Klopps usage of a big man like lewondoski, but we must remember they are nowhere near in the same league of ability.

  41. Plz plz get rid of lallana all he does is run.he has a horrible shot ,no end product
    Milner was ok but he also just cannot score
    We desperately need a fast winger who can shoot
    We again continue our streak of loosing to sh*t teams

  42. Liverpool are just a mid table club with no ambition 300m spent on a pathetic squad of average players who cant defend set peices cant finish injury prone.Bye Bye top 4 time to dwell in mid table for the rest of the season.

  43. To many one dimensional plodders sadly . I hope Klopp is able for this job he’s our last chance . Whoever signed of on Lallana mignolet Moreno Lovren ballotelli bogdan lambert Allen needs to be taken to the Mersey and thrown in and forgotten about

  44. conceded from a corner and missed chances ~ same old same old.
    Lallana when are you going to score or make a goal
    Where is our leader, why was Rooney on his own in the area ~ I give up.

  45. This side cant even beat an average and boring man utd and people here expect us to finish in top 4

  46. devestated & frustrated by the close up of sturridge observating after rooney’s goal. wondering if we’ll ever see him play several games in a row.

  47. Lallana with yet another abhorrently cowardly display after running off to the press yesterday. What a monumental waste of money this guy has been. Not good enough for Aston Ville let alone our Mighty Reds, bin him already.

    • our hopes go, to a swiftly return of couti. and yeah we better get rid of lallana, waste of money, waste of space

    • i admit i was one of them that thought he’d be different this time. he’d be the winner with the goal or assist. i was totally wrong. he is still the same liverpool llalana, the old soton llalana is gone.

      • typical of half the players ~ thinks he’s made it by signing for Liverpool, now lets get the cigar and slippers out and ponce around with Nivea ~ can you imagine Tommy Smith like that ?
        they are an absolute joke taking the pi$$ out of us fans.

  48. Firmino was 1 meter away from the goal line, wasn’t offside and for some reason didn’t take a shot??!
    Have we taken a good corner after the Aspas corner?

  49. LFC management needs to sue the FA, how can they suddenly change the rules at half time? LFC played like just keeping possession is enough to win a match so all they do is kick the ball around. Someone must’ve told them before the match. Or how can one explain the drab they showed today?

    On a day when leadership is needed Henderson and Milner affirmed that they are nothing but overrated players. The former was jut kicking the ball aimlessly while the latter runs aimlessly around just to cover more grounds than anybody else.

    No will, no urgency, no gut, no class, no sense of fulfillment, no sense of duty, they played like its a charity game.

    • Milner did nothing but spoil the numerous chances he got.
      Lallana very disappointing too.

      Can was brilliant. And Moreno actually defended well today ?

  50. We do have the cutting edge Jacko

    We can cut off
    Ibe for 10m
    Lallana for 10m (hot discount)
    Mignofeck for 10m (net price) + free gloves
    Milner for 5m (warrhouse sale)
    Benteke for 15m (super discount)

    With £50m, lets but one world class mf

  51. admit it our squad is shit in every department Klopp needs to do a major surgery in the summer

  52. Klopp kissing Ferguson’s a*se, Klopp kissing Utd’s a*se, Klopp hugging Utd players after the match, Klopp losing to Utd after all that and Klopp making three terrible substitutions………….SIMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.
    Honeymoon period is over Kloppo.

    • I don’t like honeymoon periods for managers. managers irrespective of who they are need constructive criticism.

    • Klopp is doing his job and showing respect!
      FSG did not do their job to bring in the quality players we need!
      Did you see our bench?
      -Benteke can’t run and he can’t even check wehether he’s onside!
      -Ibe is not premier league material yet. He just wants to shoot and score goals in order to get a bigger pay/contract.
      If we had Origi it would have been a different story!

      • You have to admit his substitutions came too late. I think Lallana was useless and should have come off the first half. I think Allen should have come on as well. But yes, this isnt his team and he needs time to make his own. But he has January which is going to end soon so he needs to act fast without excuses

        • Yes, subs came late but we both saw the amount of wasted chances by our team.
          I could feel this result coming after the first half which we should have been up 1 or 2 goals.
          Biggest waste was Lallana in the first half and then Henderson for the overall match.

          • I think Henderson was trying to score because he was frustrated by the lack of physical presence upfield but yes he was wasteful. However, I liked his creativity which will always be an asset for us. Lallana is slow as always on the counter and wastes golden opportunities.

    • Calm down, haha
      But yes, I did not like his Lennon comparison and constant Fergie praising. I love Klopp, but come on boss we get it. Now please stop talking about the scums. Gave them too much attention and too much respect on the pitch today substitutions wise.

    • What do you suggest then????? Get rid of Klopp and get in Mourinho or Pep??? It’s not fifa or football manager

      Realistically it was going to be a tough season. We have a poor and unbalanced squad.

      I hate Utd and losing to them. Let’s not get out knickers in a twist over this season. We need new players and I back Klopp to get them in over the summer

    • Pfff … you want instant success purchased by a billionaire then go support chelski … though that is not working so well just now ;)

    • Shallow person you … only @rse on display is your own, crawl back under your rock you fair-weather fan. Learn what respect means.

  53. Lallana is a championship player. He was bought on the back of one decent season, since then he has been absolutely shit.

  54. We can’t score goals and are a total joke both defending and attacking set pieces. Lallana, Milner etc run around a lot but contribute nothing game after game. That’s the worst United team I ever seen yet they still defend better than us. All very predictable stuff.

      • we were shit in front of goal mate and i fear we might become aston villa one day the way we are going this is not a world class man utd team this the most average and boring man u side in years and we still failed to beat this teaam

  55. lallana shit to be honest go back to southampton boy Henderson tried too much today waste ful in front of goal Firmino finishing was poor today rest of the team i just dont want to anything

  56. This 1 hurts as much as any defeat to scums hurt. Ive supported LFC since 2011 as I remember and for some reason I have really hated united. It’s close to unbearable to loose to this scum side,really REALLY painful. Still some time for the transfer season to end and Klopp needs to understand that this gobshyte if a team is not gonna do anything. Still it’s only due to Klopp that this team actually performed well. Chances were created and de gea made some blinding saves. Hope remains….yet

    • totally agree with u i have supported lfc since 2009 and the side back then and now is like shit in front of gold never thought we would have such a pathetic squad one day worth 300m

    • yeah this one was real bad, but to put into contrast. we we’re decent and not by any means looking like a top 4 contending team. and united we’re just utter shite who bagged their lucky shot one goal. nothing to be proud of for neither sides really.

  57. Losing at home to Utd stings and I can understand some of the passionate ott reactions but there were a lot of positives. With Rodgers mish mash injury laden squad we completely dominated them, at times we opened them up and if we had a proper striker could have been 3 up in the first half. Looking forward, we have a great manager and time/transfer windows to keep improving, Utd on the other hand are playing terrible football (after spending $500Mil), have an awful manager and don’t seem to be going anywhere. Yes its infuriating right now but we’re on the way up.

  58. We created loads of chances!!but couldn’t finish!!this team is carrying way to much passengers!!lallana and mignolet should pack their bags and f##k off!!not good enough,and its been proved week in week out!!can and Henderson had some good touches,but we’re wasteful at times!!Moreno and Clyne was solid,did nothing wrong,was good going forward!!sakho and toure was good!!firmino excellent! Milner average,should not start,squad player at best!!focus on the cups now!!need to go all out in all of them,especially the europa league!!!

  59. Gutted. To outplay the wanks and stil? lose. FFS get Studge back on ASAP as seems nobody else knows where the goal is. I am forever defending Lallana but why oh why did he not just chìp De Gea?

  60. I don’t think we were gutless, or listless, or passionless, we just don’t have a top flight scorer, very simple. We were the better team but if you don’t have that scorer it doesn’t matter. Those shots of Sturridge sitting up in his private box just piss me off. No top four, let’s play our strongest team in the cup and Europa league games and see if we can get something there.

  61. Milner 150 grand, sturridge 120 grand enrique 80 grand , benteke 32 mil mignolet new contract the list is endless and 25 years and counting, Rodgers I despise you.

    Jurgen order a fleet of taxis in may and shift the lot except the 2 fullbacks and firminiho. And with this lot you wonder why we won’t win anything.

  62. On the day we have to listen to that c nut Rodgers absolve himself of any blame whatsoever we have to watch the worst quality LFC/Manu game I have ever seen. Truly awful squad.
    Manu were poor but we couldn’t even beat that rubbish.

  63. Why are some guys complaining for lack of passion today ? Look at the way we dominate possession, tackle and fought players like Fellaini (by small Lucas), how physical we were ? We simply didnt have the quality to put them away on this day. Klopp also made a mistake, is always so late in his subs that i think we ran out of time. United were just lucky that Rooney’s class ad De Gea saves saved them. That the difference between say, Mignolet and De Gea.

    • But I agree, Klopps subs were reactive rather than proactive. Untied had already changed the game when they brought on Mata.

      I’d have made a double sub on the 65th minute. Ibe and Allen. One to revive flagging spirits and legs and provide tenacity and agression (Allen). The other to run directly at the Man United defenders to create uncertainty (Ibe).

      I would not have brought on Big Ben at all because this simply was not his game. In Fact, I’m not sure what his game could be at present. Shame.

      • Yeah, some thinks that Benteke should have started, but i think that would be a wrong descision as he would simply be gone all through the game and ur build up and attacking tempo would be real blunt. Look at him even when he came on, couldnt even stay onside !Unbelievable

  64. Some basic questions about Liverpool:

    1. the team is weak. There is no miracle or super manager to solve it. When he had a good team in the hands, B.Rodgers did a great job.

    2. Klopp believes too much in his convictions, but sometimes he can do the basics, like putting a striker that he has in the bench in a game where everything that the team need is a striker.

    3. If Liverpool want to get somewhere, need to spend a lot. Want to compete with the big teams in the League with players like Can, Mignolet, Bogdan , Lucas, Clyne, Millner, Lallana, Ibe among others is impossible

    • Actually putting Benteke on wud hv been v poor move..Our first hslf thrust wudnt hv been half as effective with him..The problem is not just with his movement but his positioning too..He is always offside..And doesn’t even anticipate the ball coming towards him..Our first eleven was correct given the circumstance..
      Ibe ain’t good enuf to start and was poor even as sub

    • I disagree. the team is strong with weak links would be a better description. he who shall not be named did not do a great job with the players he brought in but did well with the previous managers players in 13/14 (look at his teams for that season and he mostly used his predecessors players) he also did not think big enough when selecting the players he did bring in. we are not Swansea and therefore he should have bought appropriately
      klopp has a right to believe in his convictions with what he did at Dortmund (I know this is a different league before you pick at it)
      we don’t need to spend a lot we NEED to spend wisely and bring in players who can make a difference and get rid of players not suitable for klopps style of play.
      I have total faith in klopp whereas I said from day one of the former managers reign that it was the wrong choice

  65. Our overall performance was not poor..we were good enough to beat them convincingly..Just not clinical in front of goal..I think klopp will buy someone like Long or Inaki Williams..
    Also Ibe isn’t good enuf..

    • long on loan is good shout but williams i dont think our shit transfer committee is smart enough to get him

    • I don’t fancy Long. I’d rather wait and get someone in with quality in the sumner. Long game and all that

  66. Lets have a thorough squad evaluation shall we. Here’s who I would bench, keep and rid.

    Mignolet: Bench
    Bogdan: Rid
    Clyne: Keep
    Skrtel: Bench
    Sakho: Keep
    Toure: Rid
    Lovren: Bench
    Moreno: Keep
    Can: Bench
    Henderson: Keep
    Lucas: Rid
    Milner: Rid
    Lallana: Bench
    Ibe: Bench
    Firmino: Keep
    Coutinho: Keep
    Benteke: Rid
    Sturridge: Rid
    Origi: Bench
    Ings: Bench

    Looking at that list shows our biggest problem. No spine.

  67. My problem with this match is not necessarily the personnel – while I’m a fan of Klopp’s passion and desire to play football I still don’t see a great deal of difference between him and BR when it comes to tactical nous.

    Our strategy against every team in the league still appears to be one dimensional. Press – press – press! BR was very much into high pressing, maybe not to the intensity of Klopp, but the message was almost identical.

    My problem with this is that you can’t have the same strategy against every team in the league because they all have different strenghts and weaknesses.

    Van Gaal was always going to be pragmatic in his approach to the game. Absorb the pressure and waut until LFC run out of ideas and steam (roughly the 65th minute) sub Mata on and slowly change the game in your favour.

    What is this? 4 wins from 4 for Van Gaal against the Reds? If you always done what you always did you’ll always get what you always got.

    We got more of the same.

    I saw some good performances across the pitch from Firmino, Henderson, Toure etc… but in the end we were out-fought on the drawing board.

    I need Klopp to have more ‘smarts’ than this because at present, as likeable a guy he is… results wise, he is not an upgrade on BR.

    And before anyone says it’s the players and we need to have a wholesale clear out – you can’t do this season after season. It creates instability. Sometimes, like Ranieri, you just have to work with what you’ve got and make the most of it.

    • He’s rarely got any options does he? It’s not like he can put 2 quality wingers and a number 10 playmaker on the pitch.

      Or go with our superpacey wing attackers, three DM’s and play a counter attacking style.

      • It’s not about who he’s got on the bench – I was looking at his game plan.

        Liverpool, rightly or wrongly, are a very cavalier side with swashbucklers such as Can, lallana and Firmino.

        We’re very dependent on their cunning – too dependent. When this fails it seems we have no plan B (and shoving Benteke on in the last 15 is not a plan B. If you bring on Benteke the entire stratgey must change to suit him otherwise it is an empty gesture).

        I’m right behind Klopp. I like the guy (although he talks too much in press conferences). I’ll genuinely support him. But he needs and strong plan B.

    • ” need Klopp to have more ‘smarts’ than this because at present, as likeable a guy he is… results wise, he is not an upgrade on BR.”

      He just came in october, 32 million wasted on Benteke, defence is rubbish as always and had no uppgrade also as Midfield who has no dept… This is were we’ve been with BR if he hasn’t left Because this is rodger’s Squad still no Klopp’s. Even Ranieri was here in the summer and had more time to work and know what players he wanted to use. You’re comparison is dumb

    • Best post on here, the proof is in the pudding, what’s your prediction for the club in general, under Klopp? , interested my friend, in your views. To me we are so naive.

  68. About the corner goal…Could that have been avoided? Could we have done better there as a team? Seemed as though Rooney had all the time and space in the world to strike.

      • Don’t think that had much to do with the keeper on this instance but alright..players should have been closer to Rooney perhaps.

        • A decent GK could have tipped the header over the bar

          Butd our infamous GK stumbled to his knees instead??????

        • The shot was fierce. But he had no business going down on his knees for the initial header. If he was standing up, he had more of a chance to tip that over the bar.
          But it was a collective defending mistake. Ibe switched off, Sakho Hendo failed to rise, Lucas let go of Rooney. So bad defending in total.

    • It was Ibe error in origin, he was too far from Mata, you know Mata is deadly with freekicks and setpieces, he had time to pick out the tallest guy

    • Lucas was marking Rooney, let him go to aid 3 others in the duel with Fellaini. Lucas was pretty good today, but that was a costly error.

    • Yes. But not at the point of Fellaini’s header. He is big enough to win any aerial threat. Nor when the ball slipped loose to Rooney – it was just unfortunate. Even Mignolets attempt to save, though slightly out of position, was not to blame. Rooney hit the ball through his laces.

      But if you rewind to the corner, they had time to do a short corner, change the angle of the cross to suit fellaini from in-swinger to out-swinger. It was a good ruse from United that we failed to pick up.

  69. I’m probably the only one who is happy with the performance.It is clear that we need a striker and Klopp has already hinted that he will buy one.I just think De Gea could have saved Rooney’s goal, he has a million times stronger hand than Mignolet.

  70. Apart from KLOPP we need a good overhauled from keeper to striker!!!! would rather lost against ARSE-ANAL than loosing to the scumchester united!!!!

  71. Two things bothering me

    Why arent LFC players bulked up with sixpacks by now / if they have no talent the least they can do is look solid like alexis sanchez or AOC, and not feeble and featherlite.

    Why stoke can get players from barca and bayern but LFc cant, we keep buying from soton and soton and soton

  72. I have been saying for a while we need to rid of Sturridge and get a real quality striler than any position first. I think today was 1 proof of that.

    • It is very rare nowadays to find a striker with consistent threat like Sturridge. despite his injury problems we should not have to rely on him. we should have another striker level on quality as him. We can’t rely on sturridge that much is evident. but he still offers an extra dimension when he is fit, I’d rather keep players that do that, even if they are injury prone. you’ve got to think that one day must come around where he can mount atleast 20 games a season.

      • well, no one would buy him anyways, so im all for keeping him in that case. But that should not prevent us from targeting a new striker as i feel we are waiting for him too long without making a descision. He just aint reliable anymore.

  73. Let’s not be too downbeat here, we are playing without some of our better attacking players like coutinho, sturridge, Origi, and crucial defenders like Skrtel, Lovren. but that isn’t an excuse for the inability to take our chances. Quite honestly lets not be too downbeat, this is pretty much a pre-season for Klopp, by the time the summer rolls round, he will know exactly which players to move on, and which players to bring in. It may fruitful to allow Klopp to endure the problems liverpool have been suffering from these past years, to better quaint himself with the issues at hand. First and foremost, the answer to many of our problems would be a consistent, pacy, striker.

    • I dont like excuses/ your bench must be as good as the first 11

      It cannot be that 3-3 arsenal we are great to watch but 0-1 we are missing plyers?

      • well Arsenal set up differently than united. Arsenal want to get out and attack, where as united seeming preferred to pack midfield, and not venture to far.

          • its easy to pick those things out after the fact. if nothing came from the corner, then this argument wouldn’t exist. defensively liverpool were comfortable all game. united never really broke past the defensive line. But taking our chances is a problem we have had all season. confound that with 3 strikers being injured, and the only one we have left, doesn’t suit the profile of our other attacking players. I mean, lack of cutting edge… perhaps because there is no viable striker available to us.

          • Oh it still would. If he switched off twice and they scored from 2nd corner it’d be more obvious.

            Agreed we were comfortable for the majority and yes we should’ve won.

            Even if Ibe had tried to block the corner it was 2 v 1 out there so it still mightve got crossed in.

            The problem here more than anything is Rodgers punted £32.5m on a striker that was never suited to our play and Klopp has to persevere until the summer unless there’s a player available on loan. His budget is minimal for this window so it won’t drastically change until the summer. It’ll be interesting to see what the future holds for Benteke and Sturridge.

          • Sturridge I would persist with, because if a miracle were to occur and he gets maybe 20 games in a season, he can match that with 20 goals without a doubt. He is everything we need from a striker, pace, quick feet, and consistent. the perfect solution we are denied time and again because of his injuries. but if he were ever to get fit one day, as RVP did, then he would be a potent weapon. and its very, very hard to find strikers that score as consistently as he does.

          • The question is how long would any manager persevere with a guy that is fit for 2-3 games then injured again for a few weeks and so on. That would frustrate the heck out of me happening 5-6 times every season.

      • Had the chances, it wasn’t that we were missing players that caused it. We have a striker on the bench that doesn’t suit us. Players can’t find the net when we create chances. One lack of concentration and punished. That’s the reality.

    • The fact that you believe Sturridge may be back and stay fit is a worry. Secondly you call Skrtel crucial also a worry. The whole squad needs quality, It’s lacking all over. Striker, dominant keeper. Midfielders that can shoot.

          • Skrtel is generally good in the air. in the past, if you remember, he is usually the one defending against fellaini on corners.

          • Problem is he is susceptible to the odd mistake. Like v Ighalo at Watford. He shouldve just cleared that and fluffed it.

          • he has days where he is imperious, and then there are days that he is shambles. but he is often exposed on far too many occassions. especially under brendan.

          • We’ll improve everywhere in summer, defence,mids, strikers. Keeper im nto so sure but Ward could certainly be better than Bogdan.

  74. end of day manager is responsible for results. how can players be bad who wins away at etihad and bridge? only 14 days left if klopp thinks players are bad. darmian-smalling-blind-young – this was the back 4 of utd.

    • 14 days? He’s not got £50-60m to fix this in Jan!! Plus most targets are not available until summer, get real.

      Manager can’t be responsible for the players creating chancs but not scoring. That’s down to the players. Chances were there, it wasnt that tactically we were setup wrong or anything like that.

      • if you cannot score at home against this back 4, no point discussing targets end of season. revised target should be to beat the relegation target of 40 points. next 9 points may take 6-7 games. form guide 3 loses last 5. what is Klopp smoking?

          • because you cant really blame klopp for the result when you have 20+ attempts to score and don’t but they have 1 on target and score
            how can you blame klopp for that?

          • Constructive criticism, yes. He is subjected to that. Like today, his subs were wrong and late. But bashing just for the sake of it, is not appropriate.

          • not beyond criticism but he can be absolved from blame if the team doesn’t score with the amount of attempts on goal we had today. if you haven’t got the right players to break down a resilient defence then you not going to score and klopp cant be blamed for the players at his disposal can he

        • Klopp’s a realist. What do you want from him? He’s working with a squad assembled by his predecessor and knows FSG do not have a big budget in January to fix the problems he’s inherited until the summer.

          • Beat relegation? 12 points above Swansea. We’re never going to be in danger of relegation. Worst case we’ll be midtable this year and then the transformation will happen in the Summer

  75. Listess no, lack of cuttìng edge yes. FFS we need a striker up frònt, it is that simple. Firmino is good but not his role. If Studge is really not ready then we need someone ( not Benteke ) at least on loan. Shane Long? Maybe but hope we can do beyltter!

      • Yes wanted to see him sooner, but stilll he cus not the riggt option. PS sorry if I got mad at you ;) but now is the time to keep the faith ok?

        • Not at bother bud….:) True, Benteke isn’t the best, but he was all we had today. I was ok with Klopp saying those things midweek, but he pis*ed me off today with terrible substitution. I still have full faith in him, but that doesn’t mean he’s beyond any criticism.

  76. Cmon guys the lads played their best given the circumstances. Some of us in here r really being very harsh!

    • They did but on occasion it’s the final ball or the cutting edge to finish infront of goal. Some may be tired and some may just be bang average. Either way it’ll not get rectified fully until the summer.

    • Can’t fault the effort, but you can fault the execution. the build-up play was brilliant, we need that one guy on the end of it to finish it off. same story as last season. and how often have we seen poorer sides take advantage of a team that fails to take its chances? I do think we have a good base, Lovren looks a new assured defender, Sakho strong and fierce, Skrtel again has been consistent for years, despite his recent troubles. Perhaps maybe subotic? Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Markovic, Ibe, that attacking midfield has been hard to contain for most of the best teams in the premier league. minus out sturridge, and we have Benteke, Origi, and Ings…. up front, which is a severe lack of quality. I would say stoke as a stronger set of striker than we do.

      • I cant stand the negative unconstructive comments abt our team and coaches. 2 over decades without a PL thophy made them ugly twits it seems!

  77. Sorry to say this but I think Van Gaal outdid Klopp on the day…think about it, they were the poorer side, they were the ones defending for most of the match, yet we could barely ruffle their feathers or scratch the surface. Couple of decent chances and couple of shots from Can but nothing that really stands out as unmanageable.

      • And they scored with their one…I was uncomfortable throughout the match in all you could see that they were controlling the tempo of the match as could be seen by the pin-drop silence effect around Anfield and whenever they broke on the counter my heart would be in my mouth a bit.

        • Yeah what the hell was with the atmosphere today? I was at the Arsenal game and on a freezing cold Wednesday night the ground was really up for that game. Today the crowd looked to just be waiting for the players to spark the atmosphere. It should be the other way round especially when things aren’t going our way

          • That almost always seems to be the way with Anfield sadly..they’re a reactive bunch rather than a proactive one.

        • Tell me about it… had the same feelings here. All that was in my mind…take care of fellani and martial…. we were giving to much space for them. I’m not sure whether we were lack of passion or desire or …..the believe THAT WE CAN WIN.

    • It was our players that outdid themselves. We dominated play and chances, just couldn’t put them away. And that shot deflected off de geas boot from Can was that little luck we didn’t have. We created plenty to win this one, and on another day we would have.

    • His subs were late. That’s been a thing all games actually. I feel today he could have introduced Benteke 10 minutes earlier than the time he sent him on. Maybe Benteke coming on for Lallana and switching the style would have been much more help. But then again, He doesn’t win headers that frequently, even with that big frame. I guess Lucas wins more headers than him. So choice is pretty dire.

      • Should have come on start of second half regardless…we were going nowhere as a team…something had to change..we needed a central focal point to aim the ball towards who could lay it off for others.

  78. Why was Henderson marking Fellaini at set pieces? he just spins around and around, but never gets first to the ball and he cannot shoot to save his life.

    • Benteke is just a bigger, doubly expensive version of Balotelli. When we have the ball out wide he’s holding back on the edge of the box. What striker does that when we have the wide man running down the wing?

  79. if klopp cannot get the best out of a 32.5m pound striker in a game against the bitterest rival, I am not sure where the problem is. Klopp should be more flexible in approach. Benteke has 48 goals in PL in less than 4 seasons.

    • well, even if klopp did play direct and lots of pumping air balls to Benteke, who the heck are gonna provide that cross balls ? But yeah, Klopp certainly made some mistakes today.

      • Problem is our options are limited in the sense of getting balls in. Milner poor at crossing. Lallana will dance around his feet all day before thinking of a cross. Ibe beat a man 3 times and still didn’t cross. Markovic is on loan and I think he’d help.

        • Yeah, no one on this team even bother to cross the ball into the box,even the full backs, not to mention lallana and milner. We are so limited indeed in our options.

          • Rodgers wanted to go British or at least proven PL experience. Balo,Milner,Benteke, Lallana. None of them are/were/have been good enough.

          • I think all sensible fans were against Balotelli and Benteke, who are so wrong for our style, yet that clown happens.

          • we were never a side that would thrive on sending crosses into the box. You would NEVER see Arsene Wenger sign a striker like benteke. If we wanted a big man, we should have gotten someone of the same mould as Dzecko, lewandowski etc. If that was the avenue we wanted to take. Benteke is a typical tony pulis player. should be no where near a liverpool team.

          • Yeah, the clown wasted 30+mils on him only to limit Klopp’s budget. What an utter sh#t of business BR and TC were conducting.

          • And to think he gloated and blamed everyone but himself in his interview today. spineless brainless useless manager there ever lived.

    • to play to benteke’s strengths, would mean we play against the strengths of Coutinho, Firmino, Lalla etc. we can’t change the way the whole team plays for one player. we have to get players that actually suit each other, that get the best out of each other. with benteke its unnatural. our attacking players needs some one with skill, interplay, and speed, and most importantly, potency. and benteke lacks all of the above.

      • lallana dont qualify definition of liverpool footballer. coutinho was injured. so what are we changing getting in a 48 goal player over lallana = 0 goal this season.

        • Benteke won’t thrive in a liverpool system. throw him into a chelsea team, and I bet he will be banging in the goals. but we have to have a team that plays to each other’s strengths. if we are lacking goals, then it is the responsibility of the striker to score them first and foremost and the midfield has to assist them. the midfield can only provide supplemental goals, nothing that we can sustain ourselves off.

    • So what is the best game for Benteke? Crosses from both sides and he heads them in. Now look at our team. No crosser of the ball. Benteke was bought and made to play a game that he’s not capable of. Klopp can be/should be flexible, true. His sybs were late today. But, you need players to be flexible. Can’t help if you have millions no 10s. The winger we had went out on loan after benteke is bought.
      Now comes the Benteke part. He knows players don’t cross to him. Ok, so when actually a ball comes into the box, he should go attacking it, not standing at the edge of the box and waiting. Follow the ball. That’s what strikers do. You will get tap ins and ample other opportunities to score. Stand at the edge of the box and berating the passer won’t help.
      Also not getting switched off for offsides is an issue.
      You can tell these to a player but he has to apply them. “I had a talk a with gaffer and I know I ahve to move more”. Well that doesn’t show on the field, now does it?

      You can criticise Klopp (Which you do at the every chance you get, going by the comments here) but some perspective would be much appreciated.

        • He had some 29% before joining Liverpool (saw it in an website). Most of his goals came with balls coming from sides i.e. Weimann and all supplying. Not necessarily all of them headers but tap ins too. He used to take penalties for them too. You have to include that also.
          But what he needs to do here is follow the ball. He is static in the box. His goal against Bournemouth or the missed chance against Arsenal first leg are examples of that. He followed the ball.

    • well, when Milner puts 2 hands into the air instead of 1 as he takes the corner kick, is it only me in thinking that the training ground set piece he is endeavouring to code is a complete load of b*ll*cks!

      really, what does the two hand – one hand signal supposed to signify? Because as far as I see the resulting cross is no different from the one that follows.

      This is where I despair of the wage packet these players earn. £100,000 a week and can’t kick a corner ball the way a golfer can hit the green on a par 3 every time.

  80. What worries me in long term is the fact that we don’t have a true leader. Hendo has good work rate but you don’t see him shouting at his teammates like Suarez/Gerrard used to in order to motivate them to fight. Gotta find that leadership on the pitch you can’t have Klopp yelling and screaming from the sideline all the time.

    • I would look at shawcross from stoke for the leadership role as he seems to be a carragher type player, knows the prem, would solve part of the defensive problems and wouldn’t be overly expensive

  81. Klopp’s subs were wrong and late today. It was more of a reaction to the goal than trying to change things. Maybe he could have sent Benteke on instead of Ibe. Benteke coming on at 80th minute is waste really, no matter how ill-suited he is to the style of play. That sub should have happened around 65-68 minutes to get more of a chance.

  82. All we need is a mobile centre forward to get us thru to the summer….and then the clear out can begin….Klopp is doing his best to not criticise the players in the press conferences….benteke is a great player but not for us….we were average today, manure were no better but they kinda mourinho’d us…Milner and lallana put in loads of effort but unfortunately it wasn’t productive in the final 3rd….can’t help wondering how markovic would be….this summer we need to find a winger and a leader……id even bring Stevie G back for 5 months to sort us!

    • agree with most of that but think stevie would be too early and unsettling for us atm because klopp is too soon into his tenure

      • I hear you, I’m mostly concerned about about the lack of leadership on the pitch..we don’t have a Stevie, we desperately need one…and a mobile centre forward….we are actually not that bad, but we miss 1 or 2 world class players…and a leader …who that may be? That’s why Klopp earns 7m a year…

        • I thought about shawcross from stoke. good leader, very vocal and would be a much needed addition to the defence.

  83. the midfield play was quite encouraging. Apart from the goal the defensive display was decent too. both skaho and toure were pretty much untroubled and lucas was immense. the forward play left a lot to be desired. lallana had perhaps a gilt edged chance where rather than head over de gea he heads towards him. both milner and hendo too had chances but fluffed their lines too often.

    A continuous issue is corners and set plays. we are useless with them and useless at defending them. I cant believe the team that scored the most from set plays in 2014 is so useless at them now.

  84. Klopp has got the best out of what was left him, we all know the squad is average at best, they was unlucky today these player not all of them are not good enough as a unit to take us to the promised land ,this season we could get lucky and win a cup but I’m not holding my breath though, I’ve wrote this season off if I’m honest and it’s only the middle of January but from now on in I’m supporting the boys it’s not their fault they are here, and most of all let’s stay right behind Jurgen and give him time.

  85. I think we joe wasn’t played today saving him getting beaten to a pulp by fillani ,the last three times he’s played up against him he’s been leathered twice for us and once v Belgium .

  86. Manchester United’s body language in the first half suggested that they had lost the game psychologically. All we needed to do was score. We only have ourselves to blame for the loss. If some of the players are honest with themselves, they should be ashamed of wearing those jerseys. BY half time an Arsenal fan, who I was watching with predicted that we would lose by a goal. I had to agree with him. Which really saddened me. All those wasted chances.

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