Liverpool 0-0 West Ham: Player Ratings

30.01.2016


A much-changed Liverpool failed to beat West Ham United in this FA Cup fourth round tie, which will now go to a replay, and here we rate the Reds’ output.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's Brad Smith in action against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Liverpool 0 – 0 West Ham United

FA Cup Fourth Round – Anfield (44,006) – Saturday 30th January 2016

Simon Mignolet (out of 10) – 5

Shouts at his defenders regularly, and now looks like he wants to come for crosses, even if he doesn’t always get them.

Passed the ball out of play instead of making the easy pass to Steven Caulker, and didn’t really have any saves to make.

Still too slow when it comes to decision making when the ball is in his hands, or at his feet.

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Nathaniel Clyne – 8

More of the same from Clyne as he got up and down the right throughout the game, contributing on and off the ball.

Had the unenviable task of marking Dimitri Payet, and kept the Frenchman reasonably quiet.

Set Joe Allen up for a good chance early in the second half, and played another dangerous ball into the box shortly after.

Defended well towards the end when West Ham tried to attack down his side.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's Steven Caulker applauds the supporters after a dismal goal-less draw against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Steven Caulker – 6.5

Looks like a useful addition to the squad, but lucky not to have been penalised for handball when a cross came into the box from a West Ham free-kick; his motion to the ball as it came down looked deliberate and it could easily have been given.

Picked his battles well in defence, and looks as settled as any of Liverpool’s right-sided centre-backs do, despite his lack of time with the side.

Made an important block from Michail Antonio late in the game.


Dejan Lovren – 6

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Still looks like he has a mistake in him when he tries to win things he shouldn’t be going for, as demonstrated by the yellow card he picked up in the second half.

Despite the booking he was still confident enough to put in a full-blooded tackle on Victor Moses shortly after, which he timed perfectly.

Brad Smith – 6

Rapid down the left, and can whip a cross in, but can be sloppy in defence and occasionally put his team-mates under unnecessary pressure when in possession.

Got caught under a few high balls, mistiming jumps when attempting to win headers, but despite being his least convincing performance in his few appearances so far, it still wasn’t bad.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's Kevin Stewart in action against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Kevin Stewart – 8.5

Stationed in front of the back four, he was heavily involved throughout the game as he broke up opposition attacks and contributed well when his side had the ball.

Covered for the full-backs when needed, and also stepped in for the centre-backs if one of them went forward.

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Had the odd wayward shot, but this shouldn’t detract from a good performance in the areas of the game which are more relevant to his position.


Cameron Brannagan – 8.5 (Man of the Match)

Performed well in a midfield three and was arguably the best of the bunch. He was good on the ball and showed great composure under pressure.

The 19-year-old was given the responsibility at set-pieces and did better than most in a red shirt have this season, though he did fire a free-kick straight at the wall in the first half.

Saw a powerful left-footed effort from outside the area turned past the post by Hammers keeper Darren Randolph in the first half, and played an inviting through-ball to Christian Benteke at the start of the second.

Looks very comfortable at this level despite his age and relative inexperience, and was the team’s best passer with 92 percent accuracy.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's xxxx in action against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

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Joe Allen – 7

Captain for the day, speaking regularly to his team-mates during breaks in play and giving encouragement rather than shouting the odds.

Involved in some good link-up play between defence, midfield and attack, and was the glue in a fairly impressive midfield trio.

His attempt at an overhead kick – which he only missed because he was pushed – was a highlight of the game.

Jordon Ibe – 4

Almost anonymous in the first half, and when he did manage to carry the ball forward he lost it before he could do anything productive.

Improved slightly in the second period but still ran into trouble at times. Managed to play a good ball which put Benteke in on goal before being substituted.

Joao Teixeira – 7.5

Found himself in some good positions and showed some neat touches. Played a through-ball for Benteke which the striker was inches away from reaching.

Needed to be stronger on the ball and more aware of where the defenders were early on, but he improved greatly in this regard as the game went on.

Had Liverpool’s best efforts on goal when he forced a save from Randolph just past the hour mark, and had a similar left-footed effort saved shortly after.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's Christian Benteke looks dejected after missing a chance against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Christian Benteke – 3

Occasionally holds the ball up but too often he fails to find a team-mate once he has it.

He was just a few yards from goal when the ball landed at his feet following a deflected shot from Stewart, but he cleared the ball away from danger rather than turning it towards the goal.

Was put through by Ibe as the game approached the last 15 minutes, but he saw his shot saved by Randolph.


 

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's Jose Enrique in action against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Substitutes

Sheyi Ojo (on for Jordon Ibe 80′) – N/A – Started a good attack shortly after coming on, and fitted in well down the right.

Jerome Sinclair (on for Cameron Brannagan 86′) – N/A – Looked like the quick striker Liverpool need at this moment, but he wasn’t on the pitch long enough to see if he has the quality to go with it.

Jose Enrique (on for Joao Teixeira 90′) – N/A – His first and possibly only action was take to take the worst free-kick you’ll see this season, which takes some doing by Liverpool’s standards.

 

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's angry manager Jürgen Klopp during dismal goal-less draw against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round match at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Jurgen Klopp – 6.5

The manager’s decisions are somewhat forced onto him by the run of games and amount of fit players, but the team he put out still managed to produce some chances in attack, while an untested back four kept a clean sheet—this has to go down as a positive for Klopp the coaching staff.

His midfield three of Allen, Brannagan and Stewart were impressive, but the team struggled for a cutting edge in attack, with only Teixeira looking likely to score of the three attackers.

Ojo and Sinclair could perhaps have been brought on earlier to try to prevent the tie from going to a replay.

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    • Bit generous there indo. Iv seen more movement in a lamp post. He was a liability today and needs to have a word with himself and quick

  1. The ratings seem fair enough. Ibe’s form is really worrying though. When confident, he can be really dangerous but when he is not, he looks like a Sunday League player.

  2. Plenty of negatives in match but I would rather focus on the promise and potential of Stewart and Brannagan. With Rossiter as well we have some good young talent and with Ojo attacking and hopefully Sinclair stays.

    • I’m not sure why you want Sinclair to stay though. He’s been quite disrespectful in regards to his contract issues, and he hasn’t shown half as much promise as the others.

  3. Wouldn’t mind seeing Stewart and Teixeira being given a chance in the league at some point. Both at the age where they need to start establishing themselves as proper first team squad members. Unfortunately Ibe seems to have reverted to his early season form under Rodgers. So poor and low on confidence quite clearly. Easy to forget though that he’s only 20, still the second youngest player on the pitch tonight. Needs time and some protection. Should take him out of the firing line for a while imo.

    • I dont get the LFC obsession with Tex. He’s simply not good enough and he proved that today. At the age of 22 he should be doing a lot better than what he displayed today

      • I do not know how many times this has to be said. The reason Tex is just breaking out at 22 is because when he was the 19, he suffered a career threatening back injury and last season, he broke his leg as well. He was out for 2 seasons because of this.

      • Fair enough. Thought he was quite good tonight personally. Not 1st XI quality yet but should get more game time as a squad player in order to get a definitive answer.

      • If you called Tex is not good enough, then how you called Benteke and Ibe?

        Anyway, Tex is more useful attacking option than Ibe and Benteke. Yet all the our so-called-proven-first-team can’t do anything what the kids has done today against WHU

        • Relevance?
          Tex is a play-maker, so however bad a striker or winger plays, has no relevance.
          Coutinho, Firmino, and dare I say it Lallana…all better players than Tex.

          • It is relevant because I’m saying that Tex has done his job and responsibility as a playmaker. Meanwhile Benteke can’t score a wide open goal and Ibe is frustating to watch because he looks selfish.

            The bottom line is, Tex done his job, Benteke didn’t. Ibe needs to improve a lot. If anyone say tex didn’t do his job well, then how about Benteke and Ibe? which is based on the ratings, they are the two worst on the pitch

      • If Suarez was getting on the end of some of his passes we’d have won 3-0. Texeira has great vision. I’d like to see him with Firmino and Coutinho.

  4. as I said in the other thread If you listed the top 10 most dangerous corner balls or set piece balls from a LFC player this season. Brannagan would have a majority of them from tonight alone.

    He should definitely get some playing time for the restive the season. As should Stewart and Smith. I thought Tex was bullied in the first half but got stronger in the 2nd.

  5. If Moreno had put in a shift like Smith TIA would have give him an 8!

    Benteke should never start a game again. Nothing to do with low confidence he’s just lazy.

    Brannagan Smith Texeira and Stewart are ready to step up.

  6. Jordan Ibe has become frustrating to watch for me. Plenty of time for improvement and I know he’s 20 but he’s had game time.

    His main issue is decision-making – holds onto the ball far too long. Doesn’t see the pass or cross early. Final ball is wasteful. Time is on his side but he has to learn fast otherwise game time reduces.

    Brad Smith needs to work on his defensive side because he’s still behind Moreno in one v ones defensively and that says a lot.

    Branagan is coming out of his shell.

    • I probably won’t judge Ibe until he’s playing alongside a mobile striker regularly. Benteke seems a nightmare to try and assist at the moment. But improvements must be and I’m sure will be made.

      • I see what your saying, can’t be easy playing with Benteke but he does train everyday with him. as a wide player providing assists playing with a target man you know you have to cross more. You don’t always have to beat the fullback, just cross it.

        • I loose count how times I scream at Ibe to cross the ball. But this isn’t just an Ibe thing. The whole team looks reluctant to cross the ball and I can only imagine that neither Brendan or Klopp want the players to cross it. As mental as that sounds.

          • I have no idea. But under Brendan and Klopp the whole team looks reluctant to cross the ball. Maybe it’s down to lack of good set piece takers but it just looks like the tactics to, but that’s just my opinion.

          • 1. Panic buy…….thought he would save his @ss ….. or
            2.Knew he was gone and decided to screw his successor.

    • He’s neither a 90 minute player or a starter for me..yet!
      Looked good for the opening 30 minutes, then disappeared until the last 5 minutes.

    • Ibe is selfish nowadays. He choose to dribble, not to pass it to teammates quickly. He choose to run inside the box and in the end he is out of the line

        • His directness and willing to take on defenders makes me think he has a bit of Aguero in him. This could also minimize his errors since all he has to do is get in the box and shoot. Given our scoring woes, might as well give it a go.

          • They are of a similar build and thought is what I meant. They are both 5’9”, low centre of gravity making it harder for taller defenders to effectively mark them since they have to stoop over and look down, and play as direct runners who love to dribble and take on the defense. Both have high work rate, even when off form.

            Ibe’s finishing is of course miles off from Aguero, but he will improve. How much remains to be seen, but I have no doubt he will eventually find a hot streak at some point in the near future.

    • Ojo might outdo him. Ibe has pace and power but when your decision in the final third isn’t great, you can’t make it at a top team. Some people were saying he is better than Sterling but this is far from the truth. Sterling is a better proposition.

    • He has zero football brain.
      Same thing on repeat.
      By pass player
      Run to by line.
      Reach by line.
      Look up
      Cut back
      Try a shot.
      Repeat.

      His selfishness is evident and he’s ab awful team player.
      But would love to see him tried as a cf over benteshit. Selfishness as a cf is encouraged

    • I think the issue with Ibe is simply his brain is not quick enough to evaluate the game when he has the ball, physically he appears to have it all strength, speed, ball control and he has passion, the difference between him and Sterling is quickness of reaction. I really don’t know how they can improve his speed of thought.

      • Awareness, game intelligence is not easy to teach, it’s normally something someone has already. If he was just asked to simplify his game ie move the ball early, you don’t always have to try and beat your man.

    • Hope I’m wrong, your right with what you say age, decision making, I’m getting this feeling I’ve said this before but considering the amount of time he has played in the first eleven I honestly think he is not progressing and it frustrating and a shame, I don’t think he is ready for the amount of game time he is getting , if we had the quality I think by now Jurgen would pull him out,just my opinion.

  7. Dare i say it but Andy C was better than Benteke! Atleast the big geordie tried but all Benteke is good at is complaining about the delivery! I’m done with him

    • Carroll never got a fair chance by Bodgers. If it wasn’t Cech, we would have won the FA Cup. He dragged us back into the game. Never seen Benteke do anything near that.

    • I liked Carroll. Was in his best form at the end of his first full season under Kenny and was almost unplayable. Few months later Rodgers arrived and Andy was unfairly (imo) cast aside.

      • Carroll’s treatment by Rodgers was bizarre, especially considering he sanctioned the purchase of Benteke (a lazier, less passionate Carroll knockoff IMO)

        • To be fair to Benny, he started fairly decently in LFC but with time his interest has just gone southwards. He is just not bothered anymore. I think he has almost resigned to the fact that he is done at LFC.

          • I never convinced with Benteke from start. He might scores goals but missed a lot of easy chances, bad positioning, unnecessary offside, bullied by defence despite his big body. He is done

          • Then his character is atrocious…how can you be a modern sportsman and receive the wagers you do and not have that cutting edge or drive to want to win everything….how does he not want to score 3 goals every game….he is driving me to pull my hair out watching him…

          • It has a lot to do with confidence too. The criticism has shot his confidence into pieces. The price tag doesn’t help. Although it does tell us that he is not strong between his ears

          • lazy is lazy…as was with Balo, now I totally agree that neither player should ever have been bought since there style does not match LFC’s need but each of those players could show far more hustle and desire in the final third of the pitch, especially in the box where they look like the care the least to fight for the ball and the right to score.

      • Very strange that A Carroll was shunted out and we now have Balotelli and Benteke, they seem no upgrade on Andy.

        • he just look passionless, like he couldnt be bothered to scrap for any ball or chance on goal…Guess we were spoilt by Suarez and his desire…(for all the wrong he supposedly did, man was he a fighter on the field)

          • Suarez could bite the Queen if it helped us to win and he would. And I love him even more for it.

            Kuyt, Carr, maxi were technically limited players but had passion, fight and love for the shirt in abundance.

            Benteshit doesn’t care if we win or lose. He still gets 140 a week and he obviously only cares about that.

          • yesh he is a joke man…a sad joke. I miss those players of yesteryear who left everything out on the pitch…

          • Just got to go on twitter to see how much Riise is still in love with Liverpool.
            Xabi Alonso
            Suarez
            Kuyt
            Carragher
            Gerrard – god I know he misses Anfield the most!

          • Option 1: Loan him back to Villa.
            Option 2: Offer him to Atletico plus money in exchange for Grrrrzzzzmmmmnnnn.
            Option 3: Still in Spain, we can offer him to BR to take care of his house down there.

          • Hahaha I love option 3.
            Option 2 could work but he has zero aggression. Simeone players are absolute fighters. Watching Felipe Luis try mame Messi was brutal.

  8. My take versus line up v Stoke Tuesday night:

    Stewart – Brannigan – Allen —>>> Lucas – Can – Hendo

    FB’s – equal

    CB’s – same

    Attack- Tex / Firmino / Ojo….

    Like Stewart as destroyer – Brannigan and Allen better on the ball than can and Hendo

    Back 4 little to separate

    Time for Tex to join Firmino with Ojo………enough of Ibe, Benteke, Lallana, Milner……..

  9. Stewart is a potential beast………he is physical ball winner another Coquellin I feel……….like him he wins every challenge and has great range

    • A lot of people are talking about his physical presence but he looked very skillful as well. Hopefully he can get into the first team soon.

  10. The big German has revealed that apart from Couts-Firmino-Studge………this is an average collection of talent with little to separate the A team from the B side……..B side may be better

        • Yeah I know he has dropped off in the last few games, I thought tiredness though, I would like to see him drive on more and really dictate the game. His passing also needs some work, but overall massive potential for me.

          • I think he’s more box to box, but that’s just me and agree on his current form. Stewart is a pure DM…….he should hold, he’s got great intellect for the position and physical presence. What i like about Allen and Brannigan w/Stewart behind them, is their short passing and ability to interplay with the forwards. Can and Hendo are somewhat redundant to me. Our real problem is our front man aside from Firmino are really not to standard imo.

          • First off I think we settle for Lucas because we need a DM and didnt think their was a choice – replace him with Stewart right now. I think Hendo when fully fit has the ability to spread the play and make that killer pass, leading on to whats the point of a killer pass without a mobile forward. This point I agree on. A pacy livewire forward that than craete his own chances and play off of the oppositions back four is essential for this team. I would like to see Berahino i think he has those abilities. As for Can I believe he will be world class just not the finished article yet.

          • Yes like that, a player that holds the ball up gives it then runs behind. When the Shane Long rumour was doing the rounds I was quite happy, alright not world class but he is that type of player, same as Beharino, Long might have been a good loan move at least we would be able to play our normal atacking game with a mobile striker, again Hernandez is similar so Klopp must be think that way. Classic Suarez goal btw.

          • True that… I was though talking about Suarez and how lethal he can be, both in scoring and assisting…

          • you dont think its a long season for a youngster to keep there form up? I mean he is still young in terms of footballing

          • That was my point, I think he is exhausted. I believe he is on course to be a great player but has played to many games this season.

  11. B team side proves – we’ve wasted tons on bang average talent…….caulker / wisdom……truthfully how much better / worse than lovren and sakho?? think about it……

  12. Never mind the ratings if i was a first team regular id be worried for my place. Some of these kids are hungry and if the “big boys” showed the same metal i dont think we’d be worried about our position in the league or how far we can go in this cup competition or europa league. I just hope klopp puts the same faith in some of these kids that he has shown throughout these competitions and gives them a chance in all games. Weve got a few gems and i think a little polishing could go a long way for the future of this club AND it would be at minimal cost due them being youth or academy players.

    • Brannagan, tex, Stewart all put in a performance today that showed they are ready to step up.

      Even Smith though his defending still needs work. Flano for left back for me.

      • I say chuck flanno on as striker as im sure hed give more than the current costly goal getter or anywhere on the pitch with the pure driven passion he has for that lil red bird

        • the praise and attention given to flano is too, is this because his a local lad. I barely read any comments talking highly of JOAO whose for me, his playing ability is slightly below Philippe. It’s ok to be happy about local lad promises but don’t get carry away just like spearing instance. Don’t get me wrong, I like Flanagan as a player.

          • If you were from liverpool you would understand the significance of having a scouser in the team and what it means to us as supporters to have someone who bleeds the club and leaves everything on the pitch after a game. Much like casillas at madrid, schweinsteiger for bayern, you get the gist. Flanno will do that every single time he plays and that is what all the fuss is about. The other players are not expected to have the same inbuilt mentality that flanno has to do this and therefore he gets singled out for this reason. No-one said the other player dont deserve or leave it all out there but the local boy will get the local praise first. The other guys are just as loved as flanno and will get praise when it is due such as yesterdays game when most of the guys were heaped upon. Hope this helps

          • Thank you for the honest reply, I’m not from Liverpool (scouser) but a strong supporter of LFC even when they play woefully, because the joy of supporting a sporting club like Liverpool knows no boundaries. YNWA

          • Your welcome and that is the joy of being an LFC supporter. Whether your scouse or not you support LFC and thats what matters. Leave your last breath on the pitch and its appreciated but woe betide you come off that pitch and your shirt is clean and that is when you incur the wrath of every kopite in the land. We want to see max effort from all and nothing less. If we lose and all is given fair enough but if we lose because of laziness that is not acceptable for us and should t be for anyone else involved with the club

    • So true. Given the performances of the midfield yesterday I would be pleased to see them play again. Starting by giving them place on bench and 20-25mins playing time.

      • And when everyone’s available, who makes way for them on the bench? Stop kidding yourself guys, these dudes have hardly burned it up despite no longer being pups. The only one of these midfielders (despite being a bit lightweight) with a chance of making it is Tex. The other guy I rate, despite his first pass always being wayward, is the young Spaniard Chiverelka ( think under 18 captain in Spain) who is full of class on the ball and always looking for the progressive to-the -feet ball upfield. Watch moments from that first Bordeaux game and you see real moments of class and promise (unlike the dross from you local favourite Rossiter – this generation’s Jay Spearing who, like mini me Jay, will be warming the bench for a near bankrupt Championship side in the not too distant future).

        • The problem is we have all these false expectations like with Jay Spearing being the new (mini) Steven Gerrard. He’s got a great attitude and not insignificant skill but was never going to be the answer in terms of us competing with the top dogs in the Premiership – let alone in Europe. There are so few in the current crop who are showing real signs of making it at this level. Brad Smith has moments but he put in a pretty poor and disappointing performance yesterday with exceptionally poor positional play similar to that we have been seeing from Moreno. Though he does whip in a mean cross and looks an athlete.

          • Why the fudge are you judging our youth & saying we thought Spearing was the new Gerrard ?! It’s called backing your players, which doesn’t include labelling them the next so-&-so, but neither does it mean you throw them under a Rodgers-shaped bus. It’s only an opinion, mine is Texeira has the least chance of the 3 that played, but time will tell.
            Replying to your own comments only makes you seem mental, btw.

          • I thought the same when I realised you’re judging youth when their only crime is not being Steven Gerrard.

          • No the crime is clowns like you thinking he (or any local local lad who comes up through the ranks) is going to be the next Steven Gerrard. You back certain players (and managers) and slate others (particularly if the player is from abroad). By the way, Rodgers was better than most at breaking in young players and giving them a chance – Tex, Sterling, Widom, Hendo, Flanno.

          • I only judge on a players merits alone. Check someone’s profile b4 commenting, I’m not a clown, or prejudiced, I’m an anthropologist. You’re a ray of sunshine – ppl need sunscreen when you’re around.

        • Nice bit of realism, from some of the comments it seems like some want this to be near our first team! “Better than Lucas” ect. Although I never want to lose, if we fielded this team against an opponent who shows up (not west ham yesterday) then its 0-3 or 4 comfortably

    • The thing is that some of these kids are more football gifted than d senior players. Branagan should be playing regularly the kid got some special talent n steward is hungry for more

    • I think we need context. Throw that team into the PL currently and we lose every time. Everyone is avoiding the fact that West Ham did not show up in the slightest yesterday. For long parts we had a lack of cutting edge and a passivity to our game. Plenty of positives; Brannagan Stewart Tex all giving it a good go, but the ratings, 8.5? Not a chance, even with their inexperience taken into account. So funny how much people change their attitudes game to game. Where was all this positivity for both Exeter games?

      • Understood doug but i think the point is if the “kids ” can hold their own against an almost full strength hammers side (agreed they didnt play well at all) then why can the so called first team not. I think some of these kids would slot into the first team quite well and others would be good subs and if they continue to develop as we can clearly see given the performances they have given in the cup matches then we have either potentially fantastic first team or we get a good sell on price if they dont make it or want to wait for their chance. Win win for us i think

        • History will be kinder to him than ungrateful “fans” like you. Give it 12 months and you’ll no doubt be saying the same about Klopp.

          • Hahaha he spent 300m and left us in this mess.

            Half the deadwood we have he accumulated.

            Daglish did more than him and he was out the game for so long.

            British pundits loved him because he was British. No tactical acumen whatsoever.

            Useless arrogant deluded manager who won absolutely nothing. Choker at the highest level.

            History doesn’t remember almost men. It remembers winners like mourinho, sir Alex. Pep, Luis Enrique.

          • Such a mess that Klopp is satisfied with it. Such a mess Klopp took this team to a Cup final at least. Such a mess indeed.

          • That’s why klopp is our manager.
            A world class manager gets the best out of average players. Not saying our entire squad is but we definitely have more average players than great ones.

            Give an average manager this team and it will perform very averagely like bodgers showed.

          • It’s not really. It’s klopp team now.
            I actually do see alot of stubbornness in klopp. Fact that he left benteke on entire game yesterday and threw on Enrique for one of our best players shows he is still human…

          • Of that £300 million, how much of that spend was his call? Certainly Balo, Markovic, Illori, Alberto and Moreno weren’t his (though some of theses guys may still come good despite the overspend). How much of that spend relates to big players going out (and in need of replacing) or players continually unavailable? King Luis, Sterling, Gerrard, Sturridge and Flanno (until recently basically unavailable and probably not to be relied on going forward). Five starters from that great season’s team. He blew some of the money on the likes of Borini but this money ball obsession, attempts to bring the wage bill down and emphasis on youth and resell value imposed by FSG tied the dude’s hands – good players like Agger were shown the door while risks were taken on potential. In the circumstances I don’t think the blame can be pinned on him and think the £300m isn’t reflective given the amount of talent and experience departing at the same time. And on the subject of King Kenny, didn’t he buy Enrique, Adam, Hendo (become a good player but £18-£20m was paying too much at the time), Carroll, Coates and Dowing?! Although we got the greatest Red ever in King Luis, we otherwise spent £120 in just 12 months. And we give BR a hard time! Suarez’s footballing abilities saved King Kenny from even greater embarrassment. BR polished this talent into one of the world’s three great players.

          • hmmmmmm….thanks for saving me typing all this……………..agree to most of the points…but in the end all that matter is did we won or not

  13. Team vs leicester:

    Mignolet

    Clyne, Caulker, Lovren, Moreno
    Henderson, Can, Allen
    Milner, Lallana
    Firmino

    Bench:

    Ward
    Sakho
    Lucas
    Ibe
    Teixeira
    Sinclair
    Benteke

    Hopefully a 26 year old brazilian will be sitting in the stands, maybe someone who has the same name as someone who will be sitting on the bench, maybe, just maybe

  14. I would give Klopp a 3 due to him selecting Benteke and waiting so long to bring on Ojo. How rubbish does Benteke GBE to be before he is consigned to the rubbish bin?

    • You dont just throw 32m in the rubbish bin – it is a massive investment of money. I agree with you he has been poor but Klopp is trying hard to get him going, but it aint happening. The best way all round would be a quick sale to recoup some of that money.

    • Why get rid altogether? He might not be prepared to do so but if we think we are a big club we should have at least three strikers and I’m happy for Benteke to be one of those.

    • Respectfully I disagree, I thought Allen did ok which sums up his Liverpool career really, Tex was wishy washy but did create some things and maybe deserves a go next week. Flan very good, today though I thought Stewart bossed it and was my MOTM.

  15. While I do think the ratings are a tad bit lopsided I do agree with the overall gradient and outlay of them. Brannagan and Stewart deserve to be talked about today. Who knows, maybe they’re good enough to start more games on the basis of today’s game. I haven’t seen the best of performances from our first team MF in recent times and perhaps today’s MF can slot in and deputize for players like Lucas, Can and Hendo.

    As for Benteke, what a shame once again! How did we spend 32.5mil on this dude!? An absolute misfit for LFC and sticks out like a sore thumb in most matches.

      • Yes I’m not denying that…but if a striker can’t fit into the overall play and repeatedly gives away the possession then that’s a big negative as well.

        • He doesn’t give the ball away any more than any of our other players. He is not Pele, but scored a goal every second start in the EPL. That is not bad at all. Especially when you consider he’s now in a team with little creativity and zero crossing ability. Benteke should be playing better but this lynch mob mentality towards him is getting absurd. We’d be near the relegation battle without him.

          • Well, today he was exceptionally poor and was giving the possession away on many instances. He doesn’t have a first touch and almost every play the team was building up ended with Benteke. The lynch mom mentality has only come about because of his poor performance.

            Granted goal scoring is valuable but that doesn’t mean the striker gets a free pass for every poor performance he makes.

          • benteke does not seek a pass out on the run. He doesn’t get behind anyone doesn’t give and go. Not a playmaker

          • The goals just paper over the cracks. If we had another striker fit, they might scored even more in this period. And, my oh my, the amount of chances he’s missed, makes Balotelli appear clinical!
            Can’t wait for Origi or Studge to be back, until then Firmino is our only first-class striker.

          • Right on AA. These guys have made up their mind without giving the dude a real chance. People forget the solid performances he put in for the team for the first three games of the season and the difference he made coming off the bench against Southampton at home and Chelsea away. How do people know he’s not trying or doesn’t care? Same folks who ran guys like Markovic out of town but have since been saying we should have kept him round (note we did overpay for the young Serb but that doesn’t make him a bust or bad player – we should remember how young he is, the top performances he displayed against Sundeland last year and the slack inevitably given it seems to all young English players (particularly when they’re local) even when it’s damn apparent they’re not good enough – Rossiter case in point). I even think Aspas wasn’t given a fair hearing and could have been a good addition to our squad over the longer haul.

    • At the same time, most of our dangerous moments came from an early linkup with Benteke. He does stretches their defense and is a handfull. Agreed that his first touch was poor.

  16. Credit to Kloop because he make a fan proud with youngster.. 20 minute first mignolet just 3 time pick the ball .. clyne make payet quiet… but still little shaky for smith and mistake from lovren. caulker must behave with her hands..
    ..
    3 player who ratting me in 5 star appearance..
    First the heart of team is 2 player.. stewart and brannagan.. stewart in 2 years can play at lucas roll system and he can be 20 million rate player in 4 years.. Brannagan have 2 similiar player in him.. he not very faster player but he have a great passing, tackler and force from cantre . someday he can play at no 8 player. he so dominate at this shirt . he have everything in gerrard and alonso in his blood. give him more 3 years and i like him to play beside henderson and emre can..

    the red blood is teixiera. he show how to trick.. passing.. striking.. he have more chance then benteke and ibe.. he create a thempo.. create a many chanses and near make a goal.If cautinho absent he can play there.

    failed player is benteke and ibe..
    benteke nothing to do.. only 1 try in 90 minute and he still cold.. better we loaned him next year.
    ibe is 1 more player still crusher and clumsy at front of goal.. he cannot play like teixera.. cannot cross the ball like brannagan.. he to selfish.. and he always overshadow his place . payet like a king in his place..

    5 star player
    steward. brannagan and teixiera
    credit player
    allen, back 4 and mignolet ( clean sheet and over 55% dominate and create tempo and chances)
    must upgrade player
    ibe and benteke
    ..
    YNWA

  17. Brannagan did indeed provide better better set -piece deliveries than any Red has all season. I was impressed.

  18. There is way too much bias when it comes to TIA player ratings and analysis. It would normally bother me but I’m used to the nonsense now.

  19. Migs- still has alots of things to do to prove the new 5 year cintract is worth giving to him. unnessarily putting teammates under presssure and being a senior u should take the bruden more than passing it to the kids…(5)

    Dejan- god knows why he received only 6..he was good! simple as that.. a 7 for him

    Caulker- lucky and one block- 6

    Clyne- 7.5 ; no issue with payet

    Smith – 7… for a youngster to against hooligans.. that’s a good job there.

    Allen- 6.5

    Stewart- 8.. the best performance so far from him in the first 11

    Branaggan– simply superb.. if he maintains this.. he will soon be knocking the first team door. (8.5)

    Tex- not strong but skillfull… at 23 , u should have been in the team, time will tell.

    Ibe- something is just not right with him. should stop him from starting.. bring in as sub,last 20 mins…(5.5)

    Benteke- u have time till end of the season- period!..(4)

    And who said Enrique cant be rated… that’s a huge ZERO… AND PLEASE PACK YOUR BEGS!

    Overall the kids did very well… looking at how they went for the ball..againts the notorious gang in EPL..u would say..they had the guts. the determinations to impress!

  20. But it’s the two attackers in Ibe and Benteke that have gotten the lowest ratings while the MF three that have gotten the highest in this case? Defense isn’t rated too poorly at all.

  21. I remember when Jack Robinson, Dani Pacheco, Jay Spearing, Andre Wisdom and Suso etc were nailed on as future stars as far as some of our fans were concerned. Didn’t quite work out.

    People slagging off Benteke should be ashamed of themselves. 6 league goals in 12 starts. We’d be about 14th without his goals. Playing in a team full of kids or duds is not helping him. Especially while captain courageous and others who didn’t need a rest sat on the sidelines in an FA Cup tie against a PL opponent. At home too.

    Klopp is a good manager but I hope he’s been honest with the owners because this is the worst squad in living memory and if we don’t sign a couple of real quality players by Monday then FSG’s ambitions look crystal clear. More mediocrity awaits. Maybe we’ll get Bobby Zamora on loan.

    • Wait, captain courageous?
      You mean Henderson? Klopp did say he has injury troubles and was playing through the pain. Who else do you think did not deserve a rest?

  22. Oja and Sinclair should have come on earlier as Ibe and Benteke were simply awfull. Brannagan certainly MOTM. Smith looked nervous. Stewart solid. Texeira hopefull but need hardening.

  23. Well, the kids did better than the senior team against Westham. Ibe is frustrating to watch.I’ve always supported Benteke but its getting ridiculous now.Mignolet has to be the most annoting keeper in the league.He’s not of LFC quality! Period!

  24. This over-the-top and faux outrage at Benteke’s performances is beginning to get a bit tiring – says more about the supposed fans than it does the player. His big problem is that service never arrives when it should – Ibe in particular having no game awareness in the final third. But these are the same fans who wrote off all previous newcomers as “not good enough” if they hadn’t fully settled after their first year. Patience, clowns, patience. Look at what patience has reaped with the Monreals of the league, a number of Spurs players bought on Bale money and our Jordan Henderson (who half of you wanted out when Fulham came calling). And than there is Joe Allen – part dude, part God. Underrated and now getting much due recognition. Like I said previously (reminding you clowns again and again), some of our best performances under BR (also a god) were when Allen was in the starting 11 – Spurs trouncing at White Hart Lane, 3-0 at Old Trafford and the schooling of Yaya Toure last year against City.

    • I’d be patient with Benteke if we had another striker to rely on or if someone else had the responsibility of scoring. Its not about goals but the lack of commitment he shows towards the team, with so many youngsters around him, he should be the leading figure and provide some much needed level-headedness yet, he fluffed the best chance of the game and created almost nothing. Even Carroll was better; at least got stuck in and made himself a nuisance for the defenders. If half of the efforts from Carroll would’ve went in and not struck the post under King Kenny, he might be still here. Even when Henderson was failing, he made the effort and everyone saw it, can’t say the same about Benteke. We never showed the same patience with Carroll so why now?!

        • Those last comments are an exaggeration to make a point. There is more in that comment too. So, why so selective?

          • Ah, one dude’s only had 6 months, the other guy 5 seasons where he’s better known for what he’s done on Twitter than on the field. I agree not enough patience was shown with Carroll but Carroll didn’t get a goal every other game in the Premiership nor start a good number of games for one of the world’s top national sides. Reflect, Shaun, just reflect.

  25. I knew this would happen lovren gets a low score but hes just come back from injury sakho would have got an 8 today even though hes been back a month
    and any mistake put down to injury

  26. I’d love to drop mine again.

    Migs was good and solid on the day. Tried a bit to come and mistimed once. Wanted a replay the most appearently, timewasting from the first minute. Good on the ball and got confidence from the two in front of him. A 6.

    Clyne was good. Arrived on time during the entire game. Did some good stuff in attack. It’s good for him that Flanno is back. With some resting between matches (allready played his 32nd game of the season) he can do this more often. A 7

    Caulker.. well that’s classy, cool and riskless defending. Solid, calm.. and only just 24. Based on this game a must buy. 7

    Lovren.. that’s something cool huh? A defender showing that “This is Anfield. Nothing to get from here son” Put everything in the two tackles. Most beauties of yellow cards that. Full force into the ribcage of a poor Hammer who not only lost his breath but also belief. An 8.

    Smith was hot and cold for me. Faces the same issues as Moreno on that left hand side. Usually it’s him vs. 2. Suffered from overconfidence or the desire to show everything. Shouldn’t do that, keep it simple mate. You’re good enough for that. 6

    Stewart. TAW wrote: “Exposing the myth of defensive midfield. Stand there. Pass 10 yards either side. Head the odd loose ball. They’re all f**king frauds. That Alex Song gets about 80 grand a week for what Kevin Stewart did today. Probably shouldn’t shoot though.” Ready for the first team any day of the week. No need for a 30M Xhakarakalaka when you got this lad. Whenever Payet was tired of trying to get around Clyne Stewart picked him up carefully and put him in his pocket. An 8,5 and MotM.

    Brannagan was good huh? Class act that guy. Got it all in the bags. Great delivery, battler, strong and he got a cool walk. An 8.

    Allen.. score the volley and you get a 12. Now it’s a 6,5 for doing a very good job on the day. Would’ve been a 7 if he didn’t went missing for 20 minutes. Good captaining too, not the loud handclaps and yells but calm pointing and always available for his young lads. Good stuff, if he wants to stay in this role.. get him signed up.

    Ibe.. heh.. odd that one. Overconcentrated? Too commited to show he’s better then the rest of the young ones? Relax Ibe.. most of them are older then you. Play your game.. don’t overdo it. Poor on the day. A 5

    Benteke.. did the targetman stuff outside the box allright. Was always available to battle it out with Reid and Ogbonna. Isn’t the lad you pass it into, move around him and find him in the box again. Runs at the wrong moments but when he was in the right times overhit passes found him. Couple of reflex moments where you need luck or sheer class. Doesn’t have both. A 5.

    Tex.. hot, cold, superhot, supercold.. Joaoaoaoaoa Teixeira. Does the cool stuff realllly cool, does the simple stuff not cool enough. Should’ve got the ball from Benteke and we go through. Fought his way back into the game with some strong battle. A 6,5 for the football, a 7 for the performance.

    Ojo.. I like him..
    Sinclair.. I don’t want to like him because he’s leaving.. but I like him
    Enrique.. after Aspas’ corner, Moreno’s crosses now we got Enrique’s free kick. a 3 for doing everything wrong in such a short time. Was lucky to get pushed.

  27. Ibes play must be under instruction. It is beyond infuriating to watch him refuse to go anywhere near the right wing, Multiple times Clyne had the ball wide and Ibe was over on the left wing or in central midfield.

  28. too much players in the midlefield with defensive caracteristics. No class “box to box” player like gerard ….too much running players and no one thinks the game with inteligence, quick passing and dribling. run run run…i like effort but ther is no top player… (ozil,oscar,toure, schweinstiger, some examples). the ball never arrive playable to the striker…

  29. TIA is really biased about dejan seriously……………………..he had a very good game, and the yellow card u r reffering to was a tactical foul….he knew how quick moses is, had he passed dejam he would have been on goal

  30. The romantic in me allowed for an extra point to be given to Flanagan after such an emotional journey back. But these ratings are absolutely bonkers. Either somebody’s been hitting the ale, or the ratings are moving towards an instinctive response to the players rather than an objective evaluation.

    An 8.5 should be reserved for a truly inspired performance. There were many credible displays, but even Brannagan was closer to a 7.5 level (edging Allen for influence on the game, but hardly head-and-shoulders above dominance in what was still a boring 0-0 with lots of misplaced passes).

    And a 3 performance is when you score an own goal and are responsible for conceding another.

  31. Brannigan was hugely impressive. Composed on the ball and real quality on delivery. I just hope his progress is not hindered by more average signings. I would offload joe Allen and give this guy a place on the bench. Use the allen money to strengthen elsewhere.

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