West Ham 2-1 Liverpool (AET): Player Ratings

09.02.2016


Liverpool lost 2-1 to West Ham in heartbreaking fashion on Tuesday evening, exiting the FA Cup in the process. Here is how each Reds player rated on the night.

LONDON, ENGLAND - Tuesday, February 9, 2016: Liverpool's Pedro Chirivella in action against West Ham United during tche FA Cup 4th Round Replay match at Upton Park. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

West Ham 2-1 Liverpool

FA Cup Fourth Round Replay – Upton Park – Tuesday 9th February 2016

Goals: Coutinho (48); Antonio (45), Ogbonna (120)

Simon Mignolet (out of 10) – 6

After so much criticism of late, the Belgian had a slightly better day at the office.

He made an excellent finger-tipped stop from Dimitri Payet’s first-half free-kick, and kept out the rebound – but there were still negatives on the night.

He twice failed to deal with high balls in almost comic fashion, and he was arguably a little flat-footed for Angelo Ogbonna’s last-gasp winner. Kicking awful too.

Jon Flanagan – 7

A strong night for Flanagan, who is nicely easing his way back into the side after almost two years out injured.

He lost the ball cheaply a few times early on, but he was solid defensively and typically spirited from start to finish. Improved in terms of quality as the match went on too.

It is good to have him back.


Tiago Ilori – 7.5

Ilori is definitely worth persevering with and he produced a highly impressive display against tricky opponents on Tuesday.

The Portuguese youngster was guilty of being a little sloppy on the ball at the start, but he read the game very well and was strong in the air throughout.

There were obvious glimpses of why the club signed him for a hefty £7 million back in 2013.

LONDON, ENGLAND - Tuesday, February 9, 2016: Liverpool's Lucas Leiva in action against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round Replay match at Upton Park. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Lucas Leiva – 8.5

This was a colossal performance from Lucas, who captained Liverpool at centre-back at Upton Park.

The Brazilian was a true leader from start to finish, and his tackling, passing, awareness and general leadership were magnificent.

Anyone who even thinks about having a go at him for conceding the late free-kick clearly has deep-lying issues with Lucas. One of his finest performances in a Reds shirt.

Brad Smith – 6.5

The Australian once again showed his qualities going forward, with his electric pace and good final ball a constant outlet down the left flank.

Unfortunately, Smith’s defensive flaws were exposed for West Ham’s first goal, with Michail Antonio ghosting in behind him to score.

Like Alberto Moreno, he feels more like a winger than a full-back, but is progressing nicely.

Pedro Chirivella – 7.5

Chirivella was given his full debut by Jurgen Klopp, and he didn’t look remotely out of place in tough surroundings.

The teenage Spaniard was eye-catching in possession and solid when it came to his defensive work, and he should feel extremely proud of his first ever Reds start.

Kevin Stewart – 8

Not many knew much about Stewart a few months ago, but he has been a surprise success story since featuring at Exeter City in the FA Cup third round.

The youngster got through an admirable amount of work all evening, but he was also a strong physical presence and looked composed on the ball.


Needs a chance now in the league or Europa League to assess where his future can be.

LONDON, ENGLAND - Tuesday, February 9, 2016: Liverpool's Kevin Stewart in action against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round Replay match at Upton Park. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Joao Teixeira – 6.5

Teixeira was probably one of the more disappointing of the youngsters against West Ham, but he still did well for chunks of the game.

The Portuguese linked up beautifully with Philippe Coutinho on a few occasions, and oozed class, but his effort levels weren’t as impressive as many around him.

It would be very harsh to say that his attitude needs working on, but he just frustrated a little when he is experienced enough to do better.

Philippe Coutinho – 7

It’s great to have Coutinho back, isn’t it?

The 23-year-old has been a great loss through injury in the last month or so, and his creative brilliance was there for all to see at times.

He scored a brilliantly cheeky free-kick to level the scores shortly after half-time, before being replaced soon after. A huge player for Liverpool.

Jordon Ibe – 5

A disappointing evening for Ibe, who failed to perform while many did themselves proud, and saw himself partly at fault for Antonio’s goal.

The Englishman’s decision-making was poor on a number of occasions – a couple of needlessly risky flicks were particularly infuriating – and too often he ran down blind allies.

There are doubts over just how good Ibe is, although it is vital to stress that he is still very young.

Christian Benteke – 5

Every time we think Benteke might be about to prove us all wrong, he gets even worse.

The Belgian was ultimately the difference between Liverpool progressing and going out, and this was surely the night that Jurgen Klopp decided the striker has no future on Merseyside.


He missed a number of good chances, most notably a one-on-one in extra-time, although his link up play was better when he had Sturridge up there with him.

It’s now over 600 minutes without a goal for Benteke, during which time he’s played every minute of the four FA Cup games.

LONDON, ENGLAND - Tuesday, February 9, 2016: Liverpool's Philippe Coutinho Correia celebrates scoring the first goal against West Ham United during the FA Cup 4th Round Replay match at Upton Park. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Substitutes

Divock Origi (on for Teixeira 59′) – 6

Origi looked a threat when he came on, although his decision to shoot instead of cross in extra-time was a poor one.

Daniel Sturridge (on for Coutinho 59′) – 8

LONDON, ENGLAND - Tuesday, February 9, 2016: Liverpool's manager Jürgen Klopp and substitute Daniel Sturridge during the FA Cup 4th Round Replay match against West Ham United at Upton Park. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

At times, the 26-year-old looked on another level to anyone on the pitch, with his touch, awareness and all-round quality a massive threat in the final third.

He is a sensational footballer who will transform Liverpool if he can stay fit.

James Milner (on for Chirivella 101′) – n/a

Not really enough time to make an impact, although one jinking run caught the eye.

LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - Saturday, January 30, 2016: Liverpool's manager Jürgen Klopp before the FA Cup 4th Round match against West Ham United at Anfield. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

Jurgen Klopp – 7

Klopp returned to the dugout after his bout of appendicitis, and took a bold gamble with his team selection.

The performance of Liverpool proves that the German got his side pretty much spot on, although there will forever be lingering doubts over whether the starting eleven could have just been that little bit stronger.

It may have been a night that ended in misery for Klopp, but he should feel pleased that so many youngsters repaid the faith he showed in them.

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  1. Lucas immense, why are the fan’s averages for him so low? When I last looked only 6.4, for me he was a 9. What a captain compared to pretty boy.

    • Sloppy on the ball, needlessly giving away free kicks at crunch times. That nullified the superb tackles for me at least.

          • He had quite a few dozy moments. Jumping under headers, misspassing the ball. Looked rough but conceded way to many fouls to get a top top top rating.

          • You are being far too picky. He largely bossed it. Maybe not quite as much as some are claiming, but even so.

          • Yeah, certainly a 7 for the crunch tackles and all. But those dozy moments kinda defines him (and recent years LFC).

          • Personal opinions are not broadcasted word for word several times in comment threads across multiple websites. For the record, despite his alleged “dozy moments”, Lucas made more tackles, clearances, recoveries and interceptions than anyone else on the field yesterday. Imagine what the second most prolific tackler in Europe this season could have done had he not been “dozy”.

          • How many header did lucas win he even managed to keep caroll quite in the air , five of us watched it and we all had lucas as man of the match
            on a night when many did themselves proud

          • With the right level of concentration (the Flanno type) he would’ve arguable been the worlds best. The way he reads the passes and makes a move (did that countless times last night) is way better then most.

            But he isn’t that concentrated. As others pointes out: throughout his entire career he’s been giving away way too many fouls. Whether dozy, comical, daft or braindead isthe word, it’s costing us.

          • His fouls to tackle ratio is considered average for a DM, especially considering his volume of tackles. Have you looked at Wanyama, Matic and Pique’s rate of tackles and fouls? Here’s a Squawka comparison matrix for you: goo dot gl/t2xUWV (I even added some aerial duels stats for you).

            The point is, Lucas had a great game last night – and you’re laying into him for being “dozy”. Not cool.

          • I took a point off for those moments. You make it that I gave him a 3 or something.

            The thing that I disliked the most about the foul was the fact that Valencia couldn’t do anything anymore. He wouldn’t have run or anything as he was hugely restricted due to the tackle earlier. Just let him have the ball there and contain any flick.

          • Just checked the link, cheers for that. Since Pique is a central defender I took Busquets. Tackles most but gets fouls quite often. Coquelin seems to be doing much better in that department. Lucas has a 20% chance of being booked for a foul, Coquelin 33% but Matic only 12%. Wanyama is a bit off as he had 3 red cards as well ;)

            60% of the tackles Lucas makes are a foul with Coquelin only 35%. Given the fact Lucas tackles a lot he also gets an insane amount of free kicks against. After 20 EPL games he’s on 50 free kicks against, with Wanyama on 41, Matic on 44 and Coquelin 16 in 14 games. That’s 6 more free kicks we need to defend and we’re shte with that.

      • lucas looked a better player than sakho tonight and thats a fact
        if that had been sakho you would have been raving about him

        • As I was about Lucas last night. But there was a but, those moments that define the LFC of the last x years. Very good but never ruthless enough to the bitter end.

          • He shouldn’t have put both his hands on the lads back. He gave Valencia the option to make something out of it. But I think Payet made a handball as it hadn’t crossed the line yet just before.

          • come of it the lad a split second before infront of him made more of a push
            the ref let plenty go then gave away the softest free kick of the night

          • Shouldn’t have given the option to the ref. Agreed it was soft, but what was he going to do? run? lad was only on the pitch to take a penalty, he was done for.

  2. Only one word to describe Lucas tonight AWESOME!!! For someone playing out of position and looking so supreme and commanding as a centre back..wow…
    I salute the young reds today..they played far better than our supposed first 11 and didn’t deserve to lose this game… We move on YNWA

      • He conceded a free kick, that happens in football. I suppose you think we should blame him for not heading the ball after the free kick or diving to his left to save the goal…. A top rating on this thread shows that his contribution was immense and noted by the majority as such.

        • The free kick is what i blame him for because it was one of the most redundant free kicks i’ve seen in some time.
          I mean you avoid giving away free kicks in tle last minute especially if the other teams main threat are their crosses.
          However I’m not taking anything away from his overall performance which was great but i’m just saying he shouldn’t have done that

          • Does it mean u shouldn’t tackle at all cos that has to go down as one of the softest of all time

          • Kind of,he should’ve let him win the header since he had no one in support and there were 3 Liverpool players in that area.But i guess now it’s too late to for this,let’s hope we can do better in the Europa League and grab a Champions league spot

          • But you ARE taking away from his performance, or trying to anyway. That was 1 of the softest free kicks you’ll ever see, and if he hadn’t made the tackle, they’d probably have scored, which would have you slating him. Catch 22.

          • They wouldn’t have scored,valencia was isolated,facin his own goal and liverpool was in good formation

          • Lucas was only trying to steady himself, and if that was a “good formation”, no wonder we concede so many.

        • I’ve always been one of Lucas’ biggest critics but he was an absolute monster last night. That Free Kick was boll0cks as well, Valencia was winning them all night off everyone

      • In what way? True he gave away a dubious free kick in a dangerous area, but once again our set piece defending let us down, and poor defending led to the first goal which was not down to Lucas.

    • Lucas may not be fast or really mobile but his leadership while organizing the defense and his positioning were very good against WHU.

  3. Liked the look of Llori, good composure and no nonsense when he needed to be, could be ready to start in BPL soon.

  4. I had so much hope for Ibe after Sterling left but he has been a major disappointment. I dont understand why he cant make simple decisions. Klopp had a go at him when he opted to nutmeg a defender instead of passing to Flanno.
    As for Benteke, I’m not very sure but I dont think he has scored in any one-on-one situations he has had the whole season. To be honest I dont think we were much surprised when he missed.

    • I knew he’d miss that. When Sturridge is 1 on 1 he always gets sideways on and curls it round the keeper. Does the same thing every time so it’s just coming from muscle memory. Benteke goes straight for the keeper and hits it at him. That and his refusal to attack the near post make me question his education.

      • Agree, although it’s never too late for education I think this “old dog” will never learn a new trick.

  5. Mignolet – 6 Was solid I thought for most of the game. Although what Ward has done to Klopp to not even get a sniff of a chance must surely be gathering police suspicion.

    Flannagan – 6 Not his best performance but defended well and did get up and down the wing, little support from Ibe in front of him.

    Ilori – 6.5 Good performance, did well to keep the likes of payet and Valencia quiet. But was very lucky not to have given away that penalty

    Lucas – 7.5 Another good performance at CB, strong in the air and organised. Kept a potent attack quiet. Man of the match.

    Smith – 6.5 A secure back up left back, a testament to our academy saving us transfer fees. Absolutely lethal in attack, while a little suspect in defence such as in West Hams first goal.

    Chirivella – 6 Very quiet throughout the game but didn’t look out of place in a starting debut against a very physical team.

    Stewart – 6.5 Such a weird player, very unpolished. At times he can physically dominate in a Fellaini esque style but then his distrubtion and decision making can be very average. That being said he put in an excellent shift.

    Coutinho 6.5 Oh how we have missed him. Whenever he got on the ball he showed why he is the little magician, particularly combining well with smith down the wing. And the cheek of that free kick was a thing of beauty.

    Tex – 6.5 – Great showing from Tex, and he must surely now be pushing for a first team position, combined well with all the front four and was unlucky not to score a number of times. Missed him when he went off.

    Ibe – 4.5 Very quiet all game and incredibly sloppy in possession, in a game/cup run where youth are really earning their stripes we really should be expecting more from Ibe.

    Benteke – 6 I thought he was much better than most, he at least looked dangerous, winning headers, moving around the box, passing well. When his confidence comes up, the goals will come.

    SUBS

    Origi – 6 Was fairly quiet when he came on but is a fantastic addition at least as coverage or, if he can rediscover his pre injury form, so much more.

    Sturridge – 6.5 I feel like he deserves a 10 for not pulling a muscle lacing his boots, but he showed why we missed him, causing all sorts of problems in and around the box. When hes fit and firing, he’s up there with anyone in the world.

  6. Pretty much agree. I thought Texeira was very good; a real threat, a 7. Tad harsh on Smith and a tad generous on Stewart maybe. Mignolet was a bit dodgy its not like many keepers would have saved that goal. I don’t see why Ward can’t be given a go.

  7. Cant be giving MOTM to the player who cost us the game. Lucas did well but it was Illori who put in more clearances and dominated at the back. Ibe i’m afraid needs to go back to the U21s to regain his confidence. Moment of the night for me was Flanno booting Andy Carroll up in the air late on, hes back.

  8. Smith too high. He was caught out of position on Antonio goal. Thought the MF of Pedro and Stewart easily as good as Can and Henderson. Milner – zero impact when he came on. Thought Ilori and Lucas put in possibly the best combined CB performance this season and last……..see no reason why Ilroi should be kept off the pitch by any one ahead of him. He’s a Rolls Royce on the ball, reminds me of Varane.

      • Don’t understand that cardboard comment.
        Liverpool have 6 centre backs, Ilori is fit and playing well, the other 5 are either currently injured or have been during the last few weeks – what must they be made of?

        • He’s been injured a lot mate. Since 2012/13 he’s registered 9 injuries. Couldn’t play for Villa because of fitness reasons. Couldn’t train for a couple of days after the first Exeter game because of fitness reasons.

  9. It was a great cup-tie. Sadly the ref was never quite in control of the game well enough at any stage. We had enough chances to win the game and probably should have. West Ham played to the end and in the end, won it with a class goal. I’m undecided as to whether it was a foul by Lucas, who had a monumentally brilliant match. Benteke was Benteke – I don’t think he will ever be any different. He is a player that needs coaching every second by someone on the pitch – GA used to do it for him at Villa and it paid off. He has no one at Liverpool to guide him and he needs guiding, it doesn’t come naturally to him. Sturridge was encouraging as was Phil. Origi looked as if he had forgotten what it takes to move, which was a worry. Flanagan seemed out off his depth. My biggest gripe as always is our seeming inability to play the ball forward to someone in the same coloured shirt! So many passes out of defence and out of the mid-field went directly to the opposition. (I don’t mention the goal keeper as he is the worst ball distributing keeper I have ever seen in over 45 years of watching my reds) I find it encouraging that it makes Jurgen so angry when we are wasteful as I hope this is something he will concentrate on when he gets some time. It used to madden me that Rogers never really seemed to be that bothered. I think many have said it before me, but many of the squad are not of the quality that we need to progress. We have a long way to go, but at least we are on the journey and not making things worse, as I think we were when Mr. Rogers was over using the word “out-standing” My first game was Liverpool V Aston Villa 1969 at Villa Park, I was supposed to come away from the game as a Villa Supporter but from the moment I saw the boys in red, that was it for me. Over the years, we have had some very privileged moments that I treasure. When the going is tough, now is the time they need us, to sing and shout and argue and get angry and get thrilled! This is Liverpool FC, It has always been this way – I think it always will be. Night guys see you at the weekend YNWA

  10. Migs was certainly doing what he needed to do. Seems like it was tactics that he need to come out for Carroll headers in the box. Dealt well with most but then goes for a ball he should never come for. A 6,5. Huge difference in Cup Migs and League Migs.

    Flanno was boss, front to end. Hard as nails, that moment when he takes out Kayoute with the back of his head and walks on like nothing happened, absolute boss. Some proper Cafu moments. My MoM and a well deserved 8.

    Illori.. I liked that, I really liked that. Funny that recently the critisism was that he defended poorly but was great on the ball. Today a lot more wasteful in possession but bossing defense with well timed tackles. Now to stay fit lad. a 7

    Lucas.. As written below, a 7. Was indeed commanding at times but too many dozy moments, jumping under headers, giving away needless faults and pushing over Valencia who was only staying on to take a penalty was so braindead.

    I was kinda happy to see Smith not acing it again. Makes him human. Tired near the end and dealt smart with that. Started to dose a couple of runs. Good performance but not what we’ve seen from him. 6,5.

    Chirivella.. lad’s 18 right? for pete’s sake lad, play like an 18 year old and not some composed midfielder of 26. Lots of gems in that academy of ours. A 7.

    Stewart.. bossing before, bossing today. Had none of it when he wanted to shoot and this big African lad stood in his way. Put Payet back in the pocket he left it last time, took a nasty blow, got up and tackled some more. Should be more carefull with his forward runs, lost the ball a couple of times where he shouldn’t. A 7,5 for me.

    Ibe.. not his finest hour huh? Owned Cresswell at Anfield, got owned today. Would give a 4 but had some decent moments too, like the saved shot. A 5

    Benteke.. wow mate.. what’s that then? So much to say.. and.. so little. I started to complain that he wasn’t agressively attacking the crosses enough then did a couple of good ones. Looked suddenly a dynamic player when paired with Origi and Sturridge, he liked that around him. To bad he bought Coutinho’s boots in the summer. A 7 for the play, a 1 for his job. A 4 on average. Stick it in the net mate, please do.

    Tex on 10 was interesting. Darted nicely, battled well but couldn’t create many moments of magic. A 6,5

    Coutinho was all rust and dust. Few flashes of his pace, trickery and passing game. Half a bonuspoint for the cheeky free kick. A 6,5.

    Subs:
    Origi looked lively and rusty at the same time. Wanted but wrestled a bit too much with the ball. But that moment when he tricks two and makes a great cross shows class. Welcome back lad, 6.

    Sturridge.. well, that’s what class is about. The first touches, the nimble actions, the ease with how he shoots, the trickery with the backheel. Lovely player, good to see a great reaction by the crowd when he started to do his warmup. Need lads like this. A 7,5

    Milner.. couldn’t catch the rythm of the game, ran a lot though, he ran a lot. A 6.

    • Ilori (only one l) was commanding in the air and read the game well.
      IMO Couts, Studge, Lucas and Ilori all better than Flanno tonight

      • I really liked the way he did the business today. Only what? 2nd, 3d game since 20 months kept Payet quiet and was hard as nails in an honoust way. One last ditch tackle, yeah he looked really good. Time to get him to play left back with Clyne right.

      • He’s still a pretty inexperienced so his mistake is to be expected he managed to get away with it but played well overall

        • Ilori realised how very lucky he was on the night that he didn’t concede a penalty and get booked in the process. I’m sure he wouldn’t tackle that way again.

      • He got away with it. Could have made a huge difference if we hadn’t conceded the late goal though but it wasn’t to be.

    • Good ratings. But I thought you were a bit too kind on Migs. I rated him a 3 (not been influenced by previous bad games either to rate him down).

      A couple of good saves yes, but hell he’s the keeper, all the action is in front of him easy for him to glance left when the action is on his right as was the 1st goal. He should be acting as the organizer, the captain of the defence like most other keepers do. A simple shout to Smith ‘you back post’ then to Lucas ‘ man behind’ as the one Smith was occuping in the center instead of back post.

      What Migs does instead is bollock the defence shouting out ‘think think’ after the mistakes instead of him thinking and organize it correctly in the first place before they happen. That’s one of the key issues to our short falling in defence.

      He s concentrating on his own game but all good keepers have the ability to concentrate, see others and shout also.

      • absolutely agree, GK must be able to keep high level of concentration from start to finish, as his any mistake can incur huge consequences.

      • Next up we’re blaming him for Benteke missing?

        The odd thing is that when Moreno makes a mistake like that everyone’s fuming on the little Spaniard. Now it’s a likeable young fella and suddenly Migs needed to think for others?

        And the “think think” remark was spot on. Kinda daft to backpass it softly on that pitch with a storming Valencia.

        • benteke as had at least 3 one on ones that hes missed hes a striker a dear one at that and as to score them
          saying than i thought he had a good game last night if not his best in a red shirt

          • Hmm, connected so well with others. Some great one two’s. But mate, for the love of it, put them in the back of the net.

          • Indeed, two good shots he couldn’t save and did well for the rest. It’s getting rediculous to scapegoat the lad for everything.

          • He’s a comedy show at the back. Not directly responsible for the goals this time (for a change) but that doesn’t excuse yet another shaky display. It’s laughably poor!

        • The one big quality that all top goalkeepers possess and Mignolet doesn’t is the ability to take command and organise a defence, set pieces being just one example, the GK has the best view in the house and if somebody isn’t being picked up the GK should see it and scream at a defender to cover it, defenders don’t have eyes in the back of their heads, with a commanding and vocal GK they don’t need to…

          • Well yeah, but Migs isn’t a top goalkeeper. It’s a place where we need to get an upgrade (even if I don’t think we’ll get one) for sure, but you can’t give a player a rating for something only a few goalkeepers do. A De Gea or Courtois don’t do that for instance.

      • “concentrate, see others and shout also…”
        So that’s 3 things Mignolet has to do at the same time? You’ll be expecting to be able to chew gum as well soon!
        To be fair Paul, he has had a go at doing 3 things at the same time recently:
        1) Miscalculate how many to have in wall
        2) Position wall precisely 4 feet too far left
        3) wait till ball is on way in before diving in its general direction.

    • I hereby nominate you to be doing the ratings on behalf of TIA. Absolute spot on, though could have done with your take on the boss. Illori was boss. Lucas was boss. Flanno and Smith did superbly and prevented crosses into the boss. I think West Ham only got 2 crosses in, unfortunately both ended up in goals.

      Stewart and Chirivela deserve starting EPL or Europa League games together with Brannagan. Would love to see Ward starting a game or 2, soon. I think the Boss should rest Ibe and try Ojo out. Ojo is a bit more direct and offers a degree of freshness that is currently lacking in Ibe.

    • “..that moment when he takes out Kayoute with the back of his head and walks on like nothing happened, absolute boss”
      Childish comments like this make it impossible to take the rest of your posts seriously. I understand that you post in a style designed to attract comment, rather than to stick to facts or sensible opinion but there are limits.

  11. Gutted we lost, but so many more positives from this game. Great to see our creative players back, alongside the youth. Benteke was definitely misfiring again, but at least he was more involved.
    We have lots more to win from here, so here’s to keeping the lads fit.
    Sturridge is just world class.
    I feel a good thrashing coming for Villa on Sunday. Just what the doctor ordered.
    #YNWA

  12. I hear their keeper Randolph wants to be #1, and with Adrian around, that seems highly unlikely. Really impressed with him in both games. Any thoughts?

  13. I thought Illori and Stewart really caught the eye today and Smith was brilliant offensively, but not so great defensively. I actually thought Benteke had a good game and as Owen said he was getting the chances, so goals should come. I do wonder at his education though, because he never goes near post for crosses. You could see Sturridge was on another level movement wise. If only we can keep him fit!

    • listening to Owen every week is starting to mess with my head. The whole game was just a running commentary on micro aspects of bentekes game. He is an oaf

  14. Boss made a mistake when he hauled off Texeira instead of Benteke. Missed some creative spark and Origi was forced out left where he looked uncomfortable. Ibe was a headless chicken and wasted all his efforts. Kids looked great and fought the whole match.

    • I don’t think boss did any mistake Benteke just being a moron. He was causing problem for their defense and Tex not really commanding d only problem he doesn’t know how to score. I did agreed on Ibe, he is not just good enough

    • Benteke is a game changer in late stages believe it or not and he has done it in many games this season.Knock down headers and assists at crucial times.If we need a goal late then we need him.Teixeira wouldn’t have been on the end if half of those chances nor created as many.He hust isn’t getting that finishing he had at Villa.

      • I think you mean he “was” a game changer. Texeira would have helped Sturridge or Origi finish some of those chances. Origi had to play on the left and was not comfortable and wasted his efforts. Need to quit thinking Benteke is who he used to be and realize he is a square peg in a round hole.

      • As I mentioned above, remember that this is his 1st season at a club that expects him to play an entirely different style of football. He’ll come right. His workrate was there last night and he seemed to play with purpose. Its just a matter of slipping one or two more goals in to regain his confidence in himself.

        The team really need to get behind him and help make this happen. Have faith in the guy. He wants to make it at our club.

          • I respectfully disagree. I think you are being impatient with him. And there will come a time where teams figure our slick passing style out, and we’ll be looking to Teks for a target man with hold-up style play.
            Comparing him to Balo is a disservice to Benteke considering the goal scoring record he had walking into tjis club. Hes also the top scorer at our club currently so…..

            I mean Lallanas goal to game ratio in comparison is appalling yet he’s position isnt questioned and hes been here for a few seasons now. (2nd I think?)

          • He is our MARQUEE striker and the entire season its evident to all he just does not FIT in at all.

            If we didn’t buy Firmino we would have been in SERIOUS trouble relying on Benteke. Honestly 1 decent game where he actually ran and people forgive him?!

            He is also one of the highest paid players at the club.
            Considering goal scoring has been a MAJOR issue – and FSG model – we can’t buy another striker and give him high wages until we sell one it comes down to sell him or Studge. Would much rather sell him and buy a young hungry pacey striker with a clinical finish who FITS our team.

            RE Lallana I agree with you. He should NOT start another game. Honestly is one of the most pointless players in the team. So wasteful in attack and can’t defend. Would sell both of them in the summer.

          • “..He is our MARQUEE striker..”
            You do know that a marquee is a big tent don’t you!
            Well of course you do cos it’s a brilliant description of Benteke, well apart from the fact that a big tent is sometimes useful on special occasions.

          • Nonsense excuses.
            Every one and his Dog (even people without football knowledge) knows benteke will never fit in at LFC before signed …it’s not being impatient, its about the reality and future, he’ll be shipped out at end of the season or next.
            Re one on one; he’s awful with his feet, i can’t count how many one v one he missed this season. plus the Empty goal post against Leicester @Anfield……something i don’t know if i could forget in a lifetime.

          • In a club hoping to win something, there is no such patience. How about u play him in the carling cup final and he does that again?

          • Often I could agree with you on that, but last night he looked very bothered. As he is slow it isn’t as obvious as some, but he tried hard last night.

          • Why should it take a marquee striker 8 months to actually try for the team?

            Ings, Clyne and co have done it from day 1…

        • It’s not about the style of play, is there a style of play for converting relatively easy chances? I don’t know maybe u tell me

          • And as a striker that your bread and butter. Thats your job – converting chances into goals not laying it off for the no 10 to score?!

            Our problem is we have 3 STARTERS who don’t care about their job to the team:

            Migs – SAVING shots. Organizing defense and claiming crosses. Never seen him do all 3 in one game.

            Moreno – defending your flank

            Benteke – putting away chances

      • Yes Benteke IS a game changer, he snatches draws & defeats from the jaws of victory, all he needs is a clear one on one with the opposition goalkeeper and there you have it – game changed, points down the toilet.

    • I thought just as much. Removing both Coutinho & Teixeira was a bad move since we lost our creative spark thereafter. How many 1 v 1 does Benteke need to score a goal? By my count, this was the third one he missed, which could have won us the game!

      • A half fit Origi was never going to offer as much. Putting Sturridge on was enough. With two strikers coming on should of been Benteke and Coutinho off

        • It was a pretty balls out move. Would be interesting to know what Klopp’s thinking was. Not sure if we were supposed to be 442 with Origi and Ibe as wingers, or 433 with Ibe slotting into a right sided central midfield role.

          • The answer to your question is 442 out of possession and 433 when in possession. Lots of teams, including us, choose to switch between formations depending on whether they have the ball or not. It’s really noticeable when I’ve watched a couple of Bayern matches on tv because the RB moves to holding midfield and they end up in a 2143 attacking shape for long periods of possession. When they defend they get back into a 451 defensive shape.

    • Totally agree. Instead of taking Coutinho off (though that might because Couts just came back from injury and Benteke offers height and strength against the Hammers) the thought of Couts, Origi and Sturridge teaming up is certainly more mouthwatering than another torturous bout of watching Benteke attempting to do what he’s actually there for.

      Watching Sturridge, his movement, pace and creativity reveals so much what Liverpool and Benteke are missing.

      Not that it’s Benteke’s fault. A transfer committee lacking any kind of plan for a style of play must take the blame for this.

      Our best season in years involved two pacy attackers who tore defenses apart. Our best games of the season involved pace up front with clever movement.

      Why oh why did we buy Benteke?

  15. Lucas was superb the whole game. Except when it makes an absolutely unnecessary foul in a situation that did not take any danger to our defense.
    But I do not blame him. It was a choice he made , maybe thinking of security . And then the defense failed to mark.
    Benteke failed, losing a bag of easy goals inadmissible. It’s a huge problem .

  16. On the other hand, I’m happy for the return of Sturridge and Coutinho. I’m here imagining these two, more Firmino. Wow! This can be explosive.
    Mignolet was great. If it were not for him we would have lost in 90 minutes.
    In addition, several young boys playing with admirable spirit and delivery.
    Amazingly, despite the defeat, I finished the game with renewed expectations for the future of this team.
    The problem remains Benteke. Maybe he needs to talk to a psychiatrist …

  17. More horrendous defending. For the first goal there was two unmarked Wet Spam players in the box. Schoolboy stuff!
    How was Benteke……our tallest player……nowhere near Carroll, Collins or the eventual goalscorer for the final goal.

    Great to see Sturridge back for a game or two and he really showed the difference between quality and rubbish.

  18. Lucas was an absolute animal, for someone who’s new to centre back his positioning for crosses etc was different class! All the young boys were impressive again! And my god how good is Daniel Sturridge? His first touch was immaculate and everytime he got the ball it seemed we created a chance! Coutinho another positive, his free kick was pure filth! Gutted to be out the cup but with the team we put out I can’t help but be pleased at the way we went out, fought to the very end and not one player went hiding! Bring on the cup final and a Europa league run!

  19. I’d like to give mignoshake a 10 but then i read…

    He twice failed to deal with high balls in almost comic fashion, and he was arguably a little flat-footed for Angelo Ogbonna’s last-gasp winner. Kicking awful too.

    It just keep coming week in week out i am tired / ffs get a new goalie.

  20. Mr terrifies me: 6. Played well but I think a top keeper would’ve saved the winner. Agree with writer; was a bit flat footed and off balance. It was savable.

    Thiago: 7.5. Did well and looked composed. Handled Carrol well.

    Lucas: 9. Easily best performance at CB in a red shirt I’ve seen in a long time

    Young Brad: 7. Very involved and lively. Despite poor positioning for goal I think he’s a more dependable defender than Moreno and almost as good going forward

    Even Younger Pedro: 7.5 Looked leggy at end but an excellent full debut at just 18

    Not that young Kevin: 8.5. Monster performance. To soldier on after that leg-breaker: bones (and not just lungs) of steel. Very well done

    Tex: 6. Need more from him at his age. Agree with writer: seemed a bit less up for it compared to teammates. Lovely player though. Perfect Coutinho back up

    Ibe: 5. He’s had a good run in team but has been poor for a number weeks. Needs to work on his game. Frustratingly disrupts flow of attacks (like Benteke has at times)

    Phi’liping Magician: 7.5. Bit rusty but everyone delighted to have him back. Even with Sturridge, Coutinho’s the main man for us. Gives his all every time and a joy to watch

    Benteke: 6. Despite getting through more misses in a game than Augustu the Strong did in his lifetime, looked lively and willing. Must work on 1-on-1’s to save LFC career.

    Sturridge: 7.5. Oozed class but lacked that game changing edge due to fitness. Welcome back though champ, really missed you.

    Origi: 7. Really likeable player who is far more gifted than some have noticed. Needs to improve awareness though. Welcome back, badly missed too.

    Milner: n/a Would have liked to see him earlier as Chirivella looked exhausted at start of extra time

    Klopp: 10 every game for rest of season. Thank you for choosing us boss. Still grateful and still surprised you took on this mess.

  21. All these negative results can compound a nearly there losing mentality. Kloppo and co. have a massive job ahead.

    I can easily see the team not winning 5 straight games in a row in all competitions. This also includes losing the CoC.

  22. Quite glad liverpool knocked out of fa Cup. We just dont have the squad to compete on all fronts. Its better to concentrate on the League and europa

    • Glad to be knocked out of the cup??? That’s a odd thing to be glad about. If it wasn’t for the Cup runs we wouldn’t now know that Chirivella, Stewart and Brannagan are arguably better than our “first choice” midfielders against a first string premier league club. We also know that Lucas could be a surprise challenger to our hot and cold CB pairings. The more cup matches the better because lots of matches means we’re progressing in the competition during the latter stages which says good things about our squad depth.

  23. Won’t matter how well some of younger players done, come the weekend klopp will revert back to picking the 4 duds Can, Sakho, Henderson and Moreno.

  24. benteke consistently scored less than 5 for past 6-7 games per the fans ratings. I think he would be off in the summer?

  25. What’s TIA’s agenda with Smith and their golden boy Moreno? Smith wasn’t at fault for the first goal at all, the cross took a last gasp deflection that just fell nicely for West Ham. Other than that Smith was outstanding going forward and at the back.

    What a beast that Flanagan is, even taking out Carroll.

    All the lads did well except that donkey Benteke. I said he would ruin the night. Don’t know what the answer is but he was never big enough for this club.

    • Smith is great but I also think Moreno isn’t that bad either, gets a lot of stick but plays in a sh*t defence.

  26. I thought sturridge was great considering he was out so long. Studge firmino coutinho is exciting prospect

  27. May be Klopp should make Lucas permanent CB, the position suits him and he did way better than all CBs we have.
    And Stewards is huge as his replacement as DM.

  28. A select few of my scores:

    Mignolet 5 – that’s an absolute middle of the road score for a middle of the road keeper. Today it was his distribution that was particularly bad, what will it be next week?

    Stewart 8 – this guy was immense, didn’t see the hype first time round. But he ran all night, played through a big knock in the 2nd half and helped chivrilla (who was also decent) with solid team work. Looked like a spurs player, and that’s a compliment atm!

    Tex 7 – would be higher but i imagine Klopp subbed him because his work rate dipped, which is worrying as he should be fresh. However, I thought he was a lot sharper and more potent than couts and with better options probably would’ve had an assist in the first half (if not a goal)

    Ibe 5 – had one good shot but otherwise was absent, he’s clocking up a lot of these recently. Hard to tell if it’s the team’s fault or if he’s not actaully that good. Went missing when origi and sturridge came on.

    Origi 5 – frustrating to see his lack of pressing and his shooting and distribution was poor. Low score, low impact.

    Bentekkers 3 – and those points came when he clicked with sturridge. I would’ve started origi and switched with bentekke later when sturridge was on. Harsh score? Where’s my goal?

    Klopp 7 – kudos for picking a young team, but taking off Tex and couts at the same time was pretty random IMO our front 3 didn’t press enough and west ham enjoyed dominance in the middle that knackered chiv and stewy. It’s admirable how much support he’s giving bentekke but it’s got to be soon that he realises lfc have bought another Andy Carroll; ok striker, wrong team, too much reliance, fluff merchant.

    Prove me wrong guys…

    • Nice post. Got a few things that I’d add/change though.

      I think Origi was just about knocking on the door of that 6(maybe a 5.5 would have sufficed?). This game was probably too soon for him as we could all see he was pretty rusty. Still needs a few more full training sessions and perhaps next game, he can turn in a better performance.

      I’d also give Benteke a 5(close to a 4 maybe). He had some nice moments with his link-up play while he can’t really be blamed for some of his shots or headers( like the ones from corners in the first half which he couldn’t have done more with). However, this time around he had plenty of chances to score and he missed quite a lot with some easy opportunities. All in all, a 5 is fair for his link-up play and good involvement in the game(if we are giving a 5 to Ibe who had a bad day then Benteke should get the same)

      • True origi was also coming back from injury and should be given the same leeway as couts studge, but they had better games than him. His pace is certainly welcome. I wander if Klopp gambled that last formation with 3 strikers was meant to win it or lose it for us in normal time. I can’t imagine he wanted ET. We’ll never know but i think betenkke was a lot better with sturridge than without, but even with him he spurned a 1on1 and several corners. If I’m being harsh it’s because my patience has dried up. Haha

        • Understand the “patience” thing Hau5fly, you say Benteke was a lot better with Sturridge than without – yeah I guess but if my cat played with Sturridge they’d do ok as a pair.

        • It’s worth noting that Origi is not yet the finished product so he is still a raw player. Both Coutinho and Studge are already great players that have tapped into their potential(Couts does need to do it more consistently though) so it’s no surprise they confirmed vs West Ham.

          I can understand the frustration with Benteke. I have been giving him the benefit of doubt during his last several games because the team was not creating enough chances or playing good balls to him so he could score. However, this game he had plenty of chances to bury West Ham and squandered all of them so I cannot defend him this time. He should still be given some chances(in EPL maybe) and maybe he can get out of this bad form because he is a good striker. He just doesn’t fit the system at the moment. Maybe try playing him alongside our good forwards since he played well with Sturridge like you said.

      • Did you see the “or?”
        Nothing really to be happy about to be honest. If we didnt have a tird of a goaltender we wouldn’t be in 9th, more like 5th or possibly 4th (optimism). And adding insult to injury, if we had healthy striker off the treatment table for more than ¾ of the season, and players not going under the knife. Who knows where would we be. Certainty not 9th. Half full, half empty…

  29. WHU denied a clear penalty in the 65th minute – it cannot be more blatant and stone wall penalty. This just extended the defeat by 30 mins. Benteke and Mignolet = very very poor. such level of sloppy performances.

  30. the second goal is like every other goal.
    1. cannot defend crosses.
    2, mignofook just sank to his knees, instead of flying off to catch the ball.
    Same pattern of GK error every other game.

    • I think you’re being rather disingenuous to our inept keeper, Mignolet has a huge library of point-dropping clangers which he displays regularly. There is no limit to his array of errors.

  31. positive things for me:
    stu, hes just class and even tough he has been out for a long time looks more on form than most of our players
    tex and cout linking very well, both inteligent and quality players
    lucas as a cb was a surprise for me, did very well
    chirivella, very good with the ball and plays like an experience player, cant believe he is so young

    stewart, sometimes i feel he’s great, love his attitude, buut hate those brainless runs, reminds me of Can sometimes, strong but needs to learn when to keep it simple

  32. Lucas has really made a case for a starting CB spot. His calmness and organization makes our defence look so much better. Yes, West Ham scored two – but those were special goals.

  33. I think the fans need to be patient with Benteke, I’ve seen enough from him that I think he could still be a good player for us with a bit of time. He is trying to adapt and I thought outside of the missed chances, he was good. His finishing is a confidence thing and he is clearly out of confidence. Him, Sturridge, Origi and Ings could be a potent strike force with a seasons experience together. I also don’t see who we could replace any of them with in the current market.

    • Icardi would be a really nice addition. We are capable of buying him too so you can’t really say it would be “unrealistic”. We just need to pay up what is needed.

        • Icardi would be a big upgrade on Benteke considering his current form right now. You can say the same for Origi as the guy is still raw at the moment. There is also Sturridge who is struggling with injuries while Icardi plays week in week out.

      • Why buy more forwards when we have Markovic, Ings, Ojo to challenge Origi, Benteke, Sturridge and I haven’t even mentioned Coutinho, Balotelli, Firmino yet?

        • Markovic is a winger so he won’t challenge Ings, Origi and Benteke.

          Ojo is still young so it would be foolish to depend on him to win our games.

          Balotelli will most likely be sold. He will have to be bought by AC Milan if he gets a certain amount of starts until his loan deal is over. Even if he doesn’t meet that criteria, chances are small that Klopp will be keen to keep him.

          Benteke’s future is somewhat uncertain so there is no guarantee he will still be around come next season.

          Sturridge’s future will also be under threat at the club if he can’t put his injuries behind him.

          Coutinho is a playmaker/#10, not a forward.

          That really only leaves Origi, Ings, and Firmino as our only forwards out of those you mentioned. They are the only ones that have a good mix of experience and quality(shown on a regular basis). They also have a clear future at the club.

  34. Loved the match. Loved the intensity among the boys. The spark, the creativity. Benteke linked really well early at the match, but couldn’t finish it off. :(
    Lot’s of positives for me! We will see the Hammers next season!
    YNWA!

  35. Apart from Bentek’s lack of clinical finishing, which I’m sure will come right next season (I’m convinced its the fact that he’s at a new club and clearly low on confidence and not used to played fluid football the way we do or try to), I thought we played absolutely awesome tonight considering who we fielded.

    Our youth have made their mark and willing fight for their places in our squad/starting line-up. It’s a breath of fresh air and we clearly have the depth in our squad to push on now. A second life if you will.

    Lucas…
    Where does one even begin. Top top top class performance from him. That was a highest-level performance from player who I think should be a real candidate for our captain, especially if Hendo’s injuries continue to plague him. It would be a great reward to a long time servant of the club, to hand him the honour of leading us. His passion and desire to fight for the club is there for all to see. Just a pity he’s getting a little old now.

  36. Make no mistake, Benteke cost us this game with his wayward shooting, lack of composure (especially with 1 on 1’s with the keeper) and his general lack of cutting edge.

    He should have been hauled off and Origi and Sturridge played through the middle.

  37. Okay My ratings are as follows as I feel sometimes the ratings are a bit lenient, but im not having a go at anyone, just what I saw.

    Mignolet: 5, still very risky in my opinion

    Lucas, Ilori, stewart, Chivirella: 9 to me, Lucas was amazing, but I have to say Ilori impressed me the most

    Flano, Coutinho:8 both did well but not their best, will get there soon though.

    Smith, Texeira: 7 both did well in certain areas, attacking. but lack and can improve in other areas, defence.

    Ibe: 4 this has got to be the most overrated player in LFC at the moment. I would honestly play Texeira before him. Yes I know his still young, but then loan him out. but this guy doesn’t seem to know what to do when in possession and when out. he shouldn’t even be in the squad.

    Benteke: 3 this guy is a liability to LFC. Im sorry but if we can say Mignolet cost us 15 points this season then surely benteke cost us the cup. He does not deserve to put on an LFC shirt, confidence? im sorry, you don’t pay 35mil for a player that struggles with confidence so long. POOR and PATHETIC.

    That being said, im proud of our youngsters. Not worried about the result, atleast we play less games now.
    My MOTM, is between Lucas, Stewart and Ilori. which Lucas just squeezed it from Ilori

    • Finally! Somebody else who thinks Ibe shouldn’t be near the first team squad anymore until he improves his decision making. Teixeira deserves a run in Ibe’s place. The performances of Stewart and Chirivella should also give people an idea of why I don’t want Can automatically ahead of them based on the fact he’s bigger, taller and stronger because Stewart and Chirivella are both better midfielders than Can has ever shown in a Liverpool shirt. Can makes too many unforced errors and needs a lot of time to make the right decision. He’s willing but he’s not a natural midfielder like Brannagan, Stewart and Chirivella have proven themselves to be in a fraction of the time Can is taking. Can would join a very impressive central defending Lucas in defence in my books.

  38. All you commenters yapping about Benteke needing more time or more service. Just for one second, in the same game yesterday, substitute Benteke with any one of Aguero, Sturridge, Vardy, Kane, Ighalo or Lukaku. We’d have won the game by more than 3 goals difference given the quality of individual performances yesterday. You think not?

    • All Forwards experience poor runs of form so any of the players you mentioned could squander chances if they were going through a goal drought. However, whether you’re a 30k player or a 30 million player you need to work out how to continue contributing a lot to the team when the goals disappear from your game. Benteke carelessly runs offside and stands offside much too often, he’s basically just handing the possession back to the other team as if it doesn’t matter. He’s regularly caught on his heels because he doesn’t anticipate that a chance might fall to him. He doesn’t get himself near the 6 yard box enough as noted by Owen on many occasions. He doesn’t cause enough threat to the opposition or in other words he’s too easy to defend against. If we’d paid 12 million I’d still be very disappointed in Benteke’s performances because he’s making very basic mistakes that show he doesn’t really have a well rounded understanding of the game he’s playing. Odd thing to be able to say about a player with lots of PL and International game time under his belt.

      • Agree. He has a striker’s killer instincts BUT lacks footballing intelligence, even of the basic level.

  39. Could’ve started a stronger team? Like the one that got beaten twice (easily) by West Ham twice this season? Or maybe the one that capitulated against Sunderland?
    At the moment, Mingolet, Sakho, Moreno, Milner, Henderson, Lallana, Can, Benteke and Ibe (apologies to those I’ve forgotten) don’t deserve the, almost, guaranteed first team spot they get.
    I would prefer to play the team that played today (swap Ward for Migs, Sturridge/Origi for Benteke and Firmino for Texiera) for the rest of the season.

  40. Proud of the way our lads stepped up last night, my biggest disappointment at going out of the cup is not having the chance to see them do it again against Blackburn, the biggest positive for me this season has been the emergence of Brannagan, Stewart and Pedro (possibly Teixeira and Illori as well) Such a shame Rossiter and Gomez couldn’t have been a part of our short cup run. There’s quite a few of our ‘first choice’ starting eleven that shouldn’t be taking that for granted in future…

  41. I thought Lucas was our best centerback since Carra. Have not seen a commanding centerback like that for a very very looooong time. The kid was pretty good as well, I can’t understand why these players have not been there before. We can thank Buvac and Klopp for that I guess.

    I thought Origi’s and Ibe’s new nick as Huff’n Puff was well deserved and I guess they earned that. And then I Liked the shaky goalkeeper, he made tome extra excitement, does he catch the ball or doesn’t he. Benteke was rather good with Studge and Studge showerd he’s the best LFC player since Suarez

    Good game, good fun, positive loss. Now we’ll have less games.

    • I think (going on this performance) that Lucas could solve 2 problems, he can start at centre back and we can play a more well rounded player in the holding role, there are a number of youngsters who can then be given their chance to get more first team football under their belts this season then.

      • Agreed. He is a voice. It would be useful for a lad that listens. That lad would be a pretty decent DMC.

  42. I think it is a bit harsh to give Benteke a 5. Benteke may have missed some glorious chances but he was much better last night and if one had gone in for him I reckon he would of had a glut of goals. Sometimes it is just one of those days that chances are missed. He passed the ball off to others really well too and linked up better with his fellow players than I have seen him so far for us.

    • I agree he got in more scoring positions than anyone else, maybe even the rest of the team out together, mind you if he’s been reading “fans” messages who keep on slagging him off constantly, then who’s to blame him for being low in confidence, we should never have paid the amount we did if we were not absolutely 200% positive that he was worth the money in the first place.

      • I seem to remember a certain player by the name of Luis Suarez who was labeled as “poor finisher” during his first few months at Liverpool. Do I dare mention Sterling? And only 3-4 weeks ago, many fans here were calling Firmino a flop. Henry recently wrote a piece on “knee-jerk” fans regarding Sakho and his poor recent form. It was a good piece, calling for patience for a player that will come good again. I just think the same should be applied regarding Benteke.
        “It’s now over 600 minutes without a goal for Benteke…”
        …and he’s STILL our top scorer.

  43. Biggest mistake was Lucas making a silly foul for no reason at the end.. So he can’t have bigger rating than 6..

    I’m happy with Couti, Studge was really good.. Ibe a disappointment.. Benteke made a second biggest mistake on the match..

    I feel like we can win the league without bringing new players, just get rid of Lucas, Mignolet and Benteke..

    • He had just played 120 minutes out of position. A lot of that against an aerial threat like Andy Carroll. He had an excellent game and shut down almost everything that West Ham tried. I would argue that he is currently one of our best centre backs. If he had someone tall next to him he should probably play there every week. The distribution by him and Illori was one of the keys to our good performance, it is miles better than Sakho/Lovren.

      I do get annoyed at a lot of the goals we are conceding this season, but that was a good cross and a good header and it came at the end of a hard fought 120 minute match. What annoyed me about the game was that it should never have got to that point. Benteke is beyond a joke now.

  44. Seriously lads, how good is Kevin Stewart? Absolute boss in midfield, took no messing and the lad can play a bit as well. Been crying out for a defensive mid like that for years now. Ilori superb too.

  45. If you all noticed Sturridge would not fit with who misses chances upon chances. He’d rather go alone, one of the reasons I like him

  46. Lucas Leiva – 8.5 – must be a joke?

    Needless foul, far away from the goal, in the very last minute of the game give them the set piece to score the goal. Sure, and Benteke with a 5. He created chances, he missed the goal, yes, others did as well. Stop that Benteke bashing please…

      • So apparently Lucas’ foul that indirectly led to a goal was so costly, but Benteke’s failure to convert any of his chances into goals at the other end should be overlooked?

      • I was a foul because you’re not allowed to put your hands into another players back to gain an advantage. Just like you cannot shoulder barge another player in the back. Once you rest your hands in another player’s back you give the officials a 70/30 decision to make which you will usually lose. However, Lucas was still a brilliant CB. I’d definitely want to see him play a run of games at CB. He could be the modern version of Fabio Cannavaro if he eliminates the obvious fouls from his defending learns the dark arts defending, Franco Baresi style. Both Cannavaro and Baresi were only 5’9″ and dominated at CB.

        • 50/50 at best, that was softer than candyfloss. And Lucas will never be like Cannavaro, he can’t time his jumps. Mascherano maybe, which shows how much I love him.

    • That’s music to the ears of all our inexperienced players that took their opportunity to shine in the Liverpool shirt.

  47. Just like with other encouraging cup performances from the youngsters it is important not to get too carried away. Generally what we have seen over several games is youngsters doing the basics very well, something that our starting players seem to struggle with.
    There is encouragement for the future, with some real excitement about the thought of having Coutinho, Firmino and a fully fit Sturridge all available. we should be more creative and more accurate with our finishing.
    The return of Flanagan should hopefully see him switched to left back very soon to tighten up that side of the defence with Clyne returning on the right. Flanno played his best football for us when he played regularly at left back anyway.
    Stewart should continue in the holding midfield role. His speed and energy means he anticipates and prevents a lot of threats and he also gets forward more than Lucas when we attack, important if we have Clyne and Flanno as les attacking full backs.
    Lucas at centre back really did show up our weaknesses there. Despite his small stature he read the game well and organised those around him really well, something we have missed since Carragher retired. He is not the answer to the problem but he highlights the characteristics we need for that role.
    Mignolet demonstrated again while he will be a useful back up option next year but not a regular starter, and Beneteke should start getting someone to put together another compilation of his best bits throughout his career to help him secure a transfer to a decent team in the summer.
    If I was most of our midfielders I would follow the example with Benteke because the youngsters have exposed them and I would rather pay the lower salaries for the likes of Stewart, Branagan, Chirivella, et al and give them game time secure in the knowledge that they will give their all and not let anyone down than continue to pay millions per year for average and unreliable players to warm the bench

    • Players that execute the basics properly should definitely be ahead of those who struggle to work out when the basics should be used. Stewart and Chirivella deserve to push out the unforced-error ridden supposed “first choice” midfielders. It wouldn’t make sense for Lucas to play that well at CB and not find out if he can do that week-to-week while reducing his ultra obvious string of pushing infringements. I 100% agree on giving the inexperienced players a run instead of accepting underwhelming performances from so-called “star players”.

  48. What I really didnt like in this games, where the amount of bad passes, no pressing and no gegenpressing. The pressings could be up to a team that didnt play a lot together. But not bad passes.

  49. Benteke has to go. I just can’t stand the guy. If you ignore his inexcusable misses, there are still so many faults.

    1. He stands offside and calls for the ball. Who does that?! There was one in injury time when he was in the penalty area, 3 yards offside, calling for the ball. I guess it is the only way he can find space.

    2. He doesn’t seem to like standing in the penalty area. He won’t make runs when the ball is out wide. Earlier in the season we were accused of not playing to his strengths – now that we are, we can see that he doesn’t even have those strengths. Maybe he thought he was playing basketball and you are only allowed to be in there for 3 seconds?

    3. He doesn’t press. The whole system fails if they guy furthest forward doesn’t chase down the defenders. He doesn’t seem to have the pace enthusiasm to do it.

    I just can’t see how he will improve. Sturridge is literally everything that Benteke is not. It probably would have been wiser to save the £32.5mil and spend a bit more on someone with those attributes. We should have sold Benteke to a relegation threatened team in January.

  50. Doesnt matter how good Lucas was, and he was very good.

    His idiotic needless foul lost them the game.

    Benteke should be sacked after that performance.

  51. well…I really hope he’ll be the first to leave next summer, together with skrtel, sakho, lovren, benteke, lallana, ibe, can and allen.

    • Don’t forget the rest of the squad while you’re at it. Who says a supporter has to be supportive? I much prefer a curmudgeonly sense of entitlement.

  52. lucas was out standing leading from the back think we have found our vice captain and his position remember when stevie g was brought back into a deeper role he thrived

    • I remember Emlyn being dropped into the back four and how superb he played there, extended his career by three years.

  53. Apparently, like the REF and linesman TIA also missed that blatant Illori penalty? He had a solid game but he’s darn lucky not to have cost us earlier.

    • Sakho, Can, Ilori, Teixeira are all darlings here. I like them all, but sometimes TIA make judgments more out of loyalty to a player’s potential than the performance at hand.

      That said, TIA remains the gold standard of LFC player ratings for me.

  54. I though Klopp made a mistake in the second half when he took off Coutinho. I recognize that counts needed to come off but he should have put on another mid instead of Origi. That’s not a knock on Origi. But if you noticed we lost virtually every ball in the middle of the pitch. We had no one there. I lost count of how many times WH headed a long ball into a wide open space in the middle of the pitch to gain control of the ball. He should have put on Milner instead.

      • Perhaps but they needed more creativity behind them and someone to plug the holes in the middle since our other Mids were dropping so far back

  55. I can’t quite explain it, having spent the summer begging the club not to bring him on, but I’ve come to have this weird belief in Benteke. I think he is a confidence player without confidence. I get the feeling that once he sparks, it is going to be a bonfire. Having players like Sturridge and Origi buzzing around will only help his game.

    It’ll be interesting to see how Klopp handles the situation. Since I’ve fairly given up on the season, I wouldn’t mind seeing Klopp experimenting to see what combinations work going into next season.

    Benteke has been woeful with his final ball, but he’s always showing glimpses of quality in the build up. If he gets in a lethal mood, I don’t find it hard to imagine him going on a tear.

  56. a big mistake was we add benteke and ibe .. ( Seriously – wooden player )

    Look ..
    Steward like a maestero, good energy and he look loke marcherano.
    Smith : He can be a good player in 2 more years..
    Pedro : He can play and sometime he like no 8 player,
    Teixiera : He was hi and lo meters.. maybe when he play around bigname.. he must prove who is him
    Ilori : Why Rodgers loan him ??? he`s MR.Cool
    ……………………………………………
    Who must play ? 4 player must up rank first..
    1. Steward
    2. Teixiera
    3. Ilori
    4. Brannagan
    this 4 player will catch 20 m rate player in 3 years.

  57. The biggest mistake that Klopp made was to withdraw both Coutinho and Texeira, while leaving on both Benteke and Ibe alongside the incoming Sturridge and Origi.

    Stewart was already on a yellow and Chirivella was understandably fatiguing, so we had little midfield and ability to control the play as time wore, enabling West Ham to grab a foothold in the game and begin to control the game.

    I won’t complain too much though, as I much prefer the overly aggressive approach to a more conservative, play for the draw type substitution pattern

  58. Cannot understand the critism of Ibe. In the first half he consistently beat players and found a team mate with his pass and was also seen defending near our own corner flag. Was less involved when Sturridge and Origi cam on and the formation was chaged but still managed probably our best strike and did one or two other decent bits.

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